Quality of Cheap Diesel, Collins Ave & Malahide Road

deandean · 19-08-2011 02:44PM #1

A few months back someone set up diesel only, cash only outlet on Collins Avenue (North Dublin).

Last week the same outfit opened a new outlet at Clare Hall, Malahide Road.
Diesel @134.9 compared to, what, 142.9 elsewhere!

Now a pal of mine reckoned he got bad fuel at Collins Ave a few weeks back, i.e. his car was chugging a lot until he re-filled elsewhere, and he's not going back.

I filled up at malahide Rd yesterday and so far so good - no problems.

Anyone got comments good or bad on the diesel supplied at these outlets?

Thanks.

MugMugs · 19-08-2011 02:50PM

deandean wrote: »

A few months back someone set up diesel only, cash only outlet on Collins Avenue (North Dublin).

Last week the same outfit opened a new outlet at Clare Hall, Malahide Road.
Diesel @134.9 compared to, what, 142.9 elsewhere!

Now a pal of mine reckoned he got bad fuel at Collins Ave a few weeks back, i.e. his car was chugging a lot until he re-filled elsewhere, and he's not going back.

I filled up at malahide Rd yesterday and so far so good - no problems.

Anyone got comments good or bad on the diesel supplied at these outlets?

Thanks.

If it is over 4 cent or more below the norm then it is possibly washed. The washing isnt the issue anymore as they are running it through cat litter instead of washing with acid to take out the colour however they dilute it down to a nice level & the amount of "additives" being used are killing engines.

Do you like cheap diesel or a working motor ? Your call

johnos1984 · 19-08-2011 03:08PM

I checked out a couple of places selling cheap diesel.

All were being supplied by some lovely lads from South Armagh.

One quick call to a friend in the know told me they were selling the cleanest diesel in Ireland

testicle · 19-08-2011 03:12PM

MugMugs wrote: »

If it is over 4 cent or more below the norm then it's washed. The washing isnt the issue anymore as they are running it through cat litter instead of washing with acid to take out the colour however they dilute it down to a nice level & the amount of "additives" being used are killing engines.

Do you like cheap diesel or a working motor ? Your call

So what you're saying is that all the stations in green under diesel on pumps.ie are selling washed diesel?

MugMugs · 19-08-2011 03:12PM

johnos1984 wrote: »

I checked out a couple of places selling cheap diesel.

All were being supplied by some lovely lads from South Armagh.

One quick call to a friend in the know told me they were selling the cleanest diesel in Ireland

Is there a blatant analogy in there ? :cool:

MugMugs · 19-08-2011 03:14PM

testicle wrote: »

So what you're saying is that all the stations in green under diesel on pumps.ie are selling washed diesel?

I couldn't support an allegation like that really so I edited my last post.

Bandara · 19-08-2011 03:28PM

MugMugs wrote: »

testicle wrote: »

So what you're saying is that all the stations in green under diesel on pumps.ie are selling washed diesel?

I couldn't support an allegation like that really so I edited my last post.

well I would not take diesel of them if it was free. (I of course am not for a second suggesting anything illegal is going on of course)

I repeat, I would not put there fuel I to my car for free.

I'm very very serious here, the revenue were informed of 66 stations in the Dublin and close surrounding areas selling blatently washed diesel "it's not in their remit" was their reply.

It's a joke.

deandean · 19-08-2011 03:50PM

Hammertime wrote: »

well I would not take diesel of them if it was free. (I of course am not for a second suggesting anything illegal is going on of course)

I repeat, I would not put there fuel I to my car for free.

I'm very very serious here, the revenue were informed of 66 stations in the Dublin and close surrounding areas selling blatently washed diesel "it's not in their remit" was their reply.

It's a joke.

OMG Revenue - these are the guys who dip your car at checkpoints and can consficate car or fine you thousands if you're using the wrong diesel? I don't understand why they don't follow up at the retailers.:mad:

johnos1984 · 19-08-2011 04:03PM

deandean wrote: »

OMG Revenue - these are the guys who dip your car at checkpoints and can consficate car or fine you thousands if you're using the wrong diesel? I don't understand why they don't follow up at the retailers.:mad:

It's CUSTOMS and EXCISE not Revenue who are responsible for this and who dip your tank.

Revenue deal with tax evasion and the like not the laundering of fuel

Brian? · 19-08-2011 04:12PM

johnos1984 wrote: »

It's CUSTOMS and EXCISE not Revenue who are responsible for this and who dip your tank.

Revenue deal with tax evasion and the like not the laundering of fuel

Exactly.

MugMugs · 19-08-2011 04:30PM

Said it before and said it again

Get rid of the Dye and bring in a scheme where the farmers can claim back the duty on Diesel bought for field use.

shawnee · 19-08-2011 05:27PM

Had a similar thread on these in Limerick. Got a lot of engine trouble from this sh... c so called cheap diesel. Wouldn't buy other than from a reputable source anymore , There's a lot of saving to be done to pay for the replacement of a pump and or injectors

Buffman · 19-08-2011 05:29PM

johnos1984 wrote: »

It's CUSTOMS and EXCISE not Revenue who are responsible for this and who dip your tank.

Revenue deal with tax evasion and the like not the laundering of fuel

Revenue and Customs are the same people.

Role of Revenue

The Office of the Revenue Commissioners was established by Government Order in 1923. The Order provided for a Board of Commissioners. The Board comprises a Chairman and two Commissioners all of whom carry the rank of Secretary General. The Chairman of the Board is also the Accounting Officer for Revenue. The Mission Statement of Revenue is:
'To serve the community by fairly and efficiently collecting taxes and duties and implementing Customs controls.'
Staff and Geographical Spread

There are in excess of 100 Revenue offices countrywide with a staff complement of over 6000 approx.
Core Business

The core business is the assessment and collection of taxes and duties. Revenue's mandate derives from obligations imposed by statute and by Government and as a result of Ireland's membership of the European Union. In broad terms the work includes -
Assessing, collecting and managing taxes and duties that account for over 93% of Exchequer Revenue

Administering the Customs regime for the control of imports and exports and collection of duties and levies on behalf of the EU

Working in co-operation with other State Agencies in the fight against drugs and in other cross Departmental initiatives

Carrying out Agency work for other Departments

Collection of PRSI for the Department of Social Protection

Provision of policy advice on taxation issues.

johnos1984 · 19-08-2011 05:45PM

Yes but when you want to make a complaint it has to go to the correct section.

Revenue and Customs operate separately IIFC from my time in there.

One of those large Government black hole organisations if you know what I mean. Unless you get the right person at the right time of year (not the summer) the letter may 'get lost' or rejected.

colm_mcm · 19-08-2011 07:02PM

MugMugs wrote: »

Said it before and said it again

Get rid of the Dye and bring in a scheme where the farmers can claim back the duty on Diesel bought for field use.

So what's to stop them using it in their car then?

How does the farmer prove he didn't just sell it to his neighbours/petrol stations etc?

Wertz · 19-08-2011 07:39PM

MugMugs wrote: »

Said it before and said it again

Get rid of the Dye and bring in a scheme where the farmers can claim back the duty on Diesel bought for field use.

So what about all that lovely home heating oil?

Guy I work with the odd time has taken to just filling the car up with the dyed diesel because in his own words "at least it's not going to chew through my engine". Reckons that even some of the legit places around his area are selling washed stuff unknown to themselves. A fine from revenue is still likely to be cheaper than getting his engine back to working condition...obviously having the car seized hasn't occurred to him.

JJJJNR · 19-08-2011 09:28PM

A guy in wicklow town has setup a similar thing, I ran his diesel for three weeks with no problems but got a bit iffy about it.

MugMugs · 19-08-2011 09:37PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

MugMugs wrote: »

Said it before and said it again

Get rid of the Dye and bring in a scheme where the farmers can claim back the duty on Diesel bought for field use.

So what's to stop them using it in their car then?

How does the farmer prove he didn't just sell it to his neighbours/petrol stations etc?

Accountable usage. One tractor average 50 gallons a year. Exceptional usage is scrutinized. Or have a permit to purchase duty free. Purchases are monitored and excessive use is questioned. That 50 gallons was purely example lads. Loss as a result of skimming off the top and sticking in your motor is minor compared to the current loss of revenue.

robtri · 19-08-2011 09:58PM

MugMugs wrote: »

Accountable usage. One tractor average 50 gallons a year. Exceptional usage is scrutinized. Or have a permit to purchase duty free. Purchases are monitored and excessive use is questioned. That 50 gallons was purely example lads. Loss as a result of skimming off the top and sticking in your motor is minor compared to the current loss of revenue.

that makes no sense... some tractors use a lot and some use very little.. and what about farmers with three tractors or more, and one or two are never used??? putting a figure on how much u can buy wont work....

blahblah06 · 19-08-2011 10:00PM

I get mine for 1.20 a litre and no problems using it the past two months going through 2 - 3 tanks a week

MugMugs · 19-08-2011 10:06PM

robtri wrote: »

MugMugs wrote: »

Accountable usage. One tractor average 50 gallons a year. Exceptional usage is scrutinized. Or have a permit to purchase duty free. Purchases are monitored and excessive use is questioned. That 50 gallons was purely example lads. Loss as a result of skimming off the top and sticking in your motor is minor compared to the current loss of revenue.

that makes no sense... some tractors use a lot and some use very little.. and what about farmers with three tractors or more, and one or two are never used??? putting a figure on how much u can buy wont work....

Yeah and I was drafting formal legislation. What's your solution? Allow washed diesel rip off the exchequer hand over fist and damage more and more cars. I don't know where you are but washed diesel is rife up here in Louth and its pushing further and further south. They will out legitimately run stations out of business very quickly. Accountable usage. If you can justify your usage then fair game. If you've three tractors then obviously your usage is going to be higher than the lad with one.

fryup · 20-08-2011 10:28AM

provo diesel

Wertz · 20-08-2011 02:35PM

Licensing farmers and agri-diesel is all very well but these boys are getting the heating oil and filtering or acid washing it...legislating for that is impossible...

Mr. Manager · 20-08-2011 02:56PM

My uncle, 5th person down on list, just flat out told me and my dad not to buy that stuff.

Didn't ask questions as I presume he knows what he's talking about.

nmacc · 20-08-2011 03:29PM

I clock up quite a few miles in my van and I keep a close eye on the fuel consumption.

I used to buy my diesel at the station in Mount Brown. Always 4 or 5 cents cheaper with a queue of cabbies running down the street. Then one day I saw the station getting topped up from a small, unmarked, Louth-registered tanker. Decided to pass from then on.

Funny thing; as soon as I changed to a regular filling station, my milage improved by 10%. Just like that. It has remained consistently 10% better. No servicing or changes in machinery or driving techniques, just reputable diesel.

Gumbo · 20-08-2011 03:35PM

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

My uncle, 5th person down on list, just flat out told me and my dad not to buy that stuff.

Didn't ask questions as I presume he knows what he's talking about.

of course he would.

where did he recommend you buy instead?

Tesco or Applegreen?

Sid_Justice · 20-08-2011 03:52PM

Can someone put this to me more directly.

Are people saying there is a possibility that the diesel sold in this discount budget stations is modified home heating oil or modified agricultural diesel and if so, could damage an engine or cause it to run sub-optimally?

Or are people saying if it is modified it won't damage your car diesel engine but it is dishonest because it's not properly taxed?

Or are people saying its supplied by gangsters from up-north and to buy diesel from here would be indirectly supporting their activities?

Mr. Manager · 20-08-2011 07:08PM

kceire wrote: »

of course he would.
where did he recommend you buy instead? Tesco or Applegreen?

Ha, nope. He just said to buy from a reputable place. Always get mine in Tesco cos that's where I do my shopping anyways. Plus I can pop the card in the pump and never have to step foot in the shop

MugMugs · 20-08-2011 08:08PM

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Can someone put this to me more directly.

Are people saying there is a possibility that the diesel sold in this discount budget stations is modified home heating oil or modified agricultural diesel and if so, could damage an engine or cause it to run sub-optimally?

Or are people saying if it is modified it won't damage your car diesel engine but it is dishonest because it's not properly taxed?

Or are people saying its supplied by gangsters from up-north and to buy diesel from here would be indirectly supporting their activities?

Washed Diesel is generally cheaper than regular Diesel and will damage your engine. There have been a number of washing plants found in the north and south lately. Take from that what you need.

700 post.

mfceiling · 20-08-2011 08:15PM

You put in 50 litres which is 6 cents (example) a litre cheaper.........is 3 quid worth the peace of mind that your motor won't shít itself on the side of the road?

MugMugs · 20-08-2011 08:20PM

mfceiling wrote: »

You put in 50 litres which is 6 cents (example) a litre cheaper.........is 3 quid worth the peace of mind that your motor won't shít itself on the side of the road?

Good point. In my case its 2 cent. 1 euro saving. Big deal!

Quality of Cheap Diesel, Collins Ave & Malahide Road

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