[Spread]

Originally Posted by magicbastarder

come again?
this is a country where people are committing crimes or joining the army to be able to gain access to basic healthcare.

WTF! Am I reading right?

[fontanalis]

Originally Posted by axer

TBH its pretty good. A lot better than in the states without the massive cost.


Michelle Bachmann is more dangerous than Palin when it comes to religion. She has no problems spouting that god told her to do this and that. Scarey when you think about it. I think she is too extreme to win the presidency though and her supporters would help her lose by making her look even more extreme. I would actually prefer if she did go up against Obama as he would have a better chance of winning imo.

I know where I'd rather get sick, provided I didn't get shafted by insurance in the US.

[AhSureTisGrand]

Originally Posted by Permabear

You must be one of the very few people in the country who thinks so. Clearly you aren't an elderly person lying on a trolley in a corridor while Sudanese doctors debate what to do next.

Sudanese doctors!? SUDANESE DOCTORS?!!! God help us all

[fontanalis]

Originally Posted by Spread

WTF! Am I reading right?

It's a massive, massive . . . massive exagerration; there was a case recently (on yahoo news) about someone going to jail to get healthcare. It's good in the US provided you are insured. If you can't afford insurance or if you get dropped/not covered by your insurance company then the costs can be crippling: it's one of the highest causes of bankruptcy.

[Nodin]

Originally Posted by AhSureTisGrand

Sudanese doctors!? SUDANESE DOCTORS?!!! God help us all

God can't help you now.


A Goddess might. If it was in her interest to do so, of course.

[fontanalis]

Fans are changing wikipedia to cover a recent boo boo.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/06...unding-father/

Religous stuff aside her reaction to China deciding to back of the US Dollar as a reserve currency should have her being mocked mercilessly.

[The Mad Hatter]

Originally Posted by Nodin

God can't help you now.


A Goddess might. If it was in her interest to do so, of course.

Hunh, I've always seen photographs of Rand as a fat old woman. I never knew she used to be a thin young man...

[bluewolf]

Originally Posted by The Mad Hatter

Hunh, I've always seen photographs of Rand as a fat old woman. I never knew she used to be a thin young man...

Wildly offtopic, but I found this just now :

[Jernal]

Originally Posted by Permabear

You must be one of the very few people in the country who thinks so.

That doesn't make him right or wrong though. You quote one of the greatest rationalists of all time, yet you used argument ad populum; one of the most popular irrational arguments of all time.

Clearly you aren't an elderly person lying on a trolley in a corridor while Sudanese doctors debate what to do next.

Iirc, there is a pretty significant problem in the US with covering elderly care costs. Many are just dumped out and left at home with the parents instead of getting the proper attention they need. Clearly you aren't one of these elderly nursing home drop outs!

See? Isn't this type of dialogue constructive?
I've just made a very vague point and I wanna show it to the world!

[Pygmalion]

Originally Posted by Permabear

You must be one of the very few people in the country who thinks so. Clearly you aren't an elderly person lying on a trolley in a corridor while Sudanese doctors debate what to do next.



You might think it's good until there's something seriously wrong with you. If I ever get cancer or a brain tumor, I know where I'll be going.

My grandfather was recently quite sick (i.e. we weren't sure if he'd live or not and he spent months in and out of hospital) and I only recall hearing good things about the doctors treating him and the service/waiting times.
This wasn't in a private hospital either.

Quite anecdotal, but there's at least a few more people in the country who think so, and are speaking from experience of our supposedly terrible system.

Of course I don't know what country the doctors were from, somehow it never came up when we were discussing the work of highly trained specialists.

[Spread]

Originally Posted by magicbastarder

come again?
this is a country where people are committing crimes or joining the army to be able to gain access to basic healthcare.

Originally Posted by Spread

WTF! Am I reading right?

I was paying €3,300 for myself and wife in Ireland up to last Christmas. Came over to the States, and for the equivelant of €2,450 have got the same coverage plus my meds cost €55 per month here and I was paying €130 in Ireland. I remember reading some story of a guy with awful ailments wanting to go to jail to sort out his problems. The reason it got in The Inquirer was exactly that ...... a one off.
Check these prices out for yourself.

Originally Posted by fontanalis

How did he wreck healthcare? As far as I can see he only slightly stopped health insurance companies from shafting people which is what the main problem in the US is; it's good healthcare but expensive provided you don't get shafted by an insurance company. The whole so called attitude to health care where they claim to love the jebus but leave the sick to the mercy of insurance companies is baffling; but them again they are pro life and pro war.
The dollar is actually stonger against the euro recently since three years ago when it was around 1.5.

Only Republicans with vested interests and idiots that listen to Fox news (and believe it) get sucked in with this crap. Going to a doctor costs €13 approx and if you need a consultant it is free if your doc refers. In Ireland my doctor was €60 (reduced to €35 with Insurance) and the €130 for a consultant there was reduced to maybe €80 after Insurance.

A point I forgot was that all people, insurance or not, have one free medical a year.

Originally Posted by fontanalis

It's a massive, massive . . . massive exagerration; there was a case recently (on yahoo news) about someone going to jail to get healthcare. It's good in the US provided you are insured. If you can't afford insurance or if you get dropped/not covered by your insurance company then the costs can be crippling: it's one of the highest causes of bankruptcy.

Yes, I remember reading this on-line. One of the reasons that we retired to the US was 1) the cost of living, 2) cost of isurance, 3) the relatively weak dollar and sunny Summer weather.

[amacachi]

Surprised no-one is talking about her wanting to have the same spirit as John Wayne from her town in Iowa. Except it turns out it was John Wayne Gacy.

[Morbert]

Originally Posted by Spread

Only Republicans with vested interests and idiots that listen to Fox news (and believe it) get sucked in with this crap. Going to a doctor costs €13 approx and if you need a consultant it is free if your doc refers. In Ireland my doctor was €60 (reduced to €35 with Insurance) and the €130 for a consultant there was reduced to maybe €80 after Insurance.

A point I forgot was that all people, insurance or not, have one free medical a year.

Yes, I remember reading this on-line. One of the reasons that we retired to the US was 1) the cost of living, 2) cost of isurance, 3) the relatively weak dollar and sunny Summer weather.

We also noticed this between the States and Ireland. Ireland has a bit of catching up to do before it can start wagging any fingers.

[smokingman]

Looks like the mad loon is one step closer to the republican nomination...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14519660

[TwoShedsJackson]

Originally Posted by smokingman

Looks like the mad loon is one step closer to the republican nomination...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14519660

Between this and the Newsweek cover, she takes a great picture:




Rick Perry entering the race should hopefully split the conservative loon vote somewhat, and on the subject of Perry: