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Poisoning/Shooting of Birds of Prey - Please read guidelines in first post

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  • 13-11-2010 9:31pm
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    Mothman
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    This thread is for discussion and reports on poisoning and shooting of Birds of Prey in Ireland. We feel that it is important to have a venue for this discussion. However, given that such discussion in past threads has led to emotions running high and invariable dispute we are outlining guidelines and restrictions for this discussion.

    1. Discussion is to focus on the whole of Ireland only, with links to reports.
    2. No discussion with regard to birds outside of Ireland.
    3. No speculative comments on what may or may not be happening without supportive evidence/ reports.
    4. Refrain from emotionally reactive comments. (e.g. saying what you would like to happen to people who carry out the poisoning. a comment such as "My heart sank when I read that." is fine).
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    Pigeon Reaper
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    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/anger-as-yet-another-eagle-found-poisoned-2452166.html

    Another one confirmed to have died from poisoning.


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    magicbastarder
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    how fast acting is that poison? killeter is less than five miles from the border, so it could be hard to tell where the poison was laid if it takes several hours to act.


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    snowstreams
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    It was definitely a strange time to have poison laid out. Usually poisonings happen in the springtime.
    I wonder should there be an amnesty to help get rid of banned substances like carbofuran?


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    trebor28
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    i would think that some people might be poisoning rats or maybe a fox this time of year due to them venturing towards humans for sustenance.

    just my two cents.


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    E39MSport
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    My heart sank when I read that.


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    Birdnuts
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    trebor28 wrote: »
    i would think that some people might be poisoning rats or maybe a fox this time of year due to them venturing towards humans for sustenance.

    just my two cents.

    Apparently the bird was found weeks before the hard weather hit, which makes this case even more disturbing.


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    Feargal as Luimneach
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    29blyft.jpg
    The mudered five month old Golden Eagle chick:(


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    Birdnuts
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    Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »
    The mudered five month old Golden Eagle chick:(

    What a waste - I remember chatting to Lorcan O' Toole last spring after yet more eagle deaths and he speculated that they have lost nearly 50% of the stock to illegal persecution. Unbeleviable that this kind of thing could still be happening in 2010:mad:


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    Mothman
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    Latest poisoning on BirdwatchIreland website


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    bogtreader
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    A terrible thing to happen it will take a while for these poisonings to stop.
    I think it was Lorcan o Toole who said in the RTE series that it boils down
    to education.Hopefully it happens sooner rather than later:mad:


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    Birdnuts
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    Having spoken to a source close to this issue last night I am confident that some good will come out of this tragedy in that both relevant authorities and NGO's here and in NI will be working much closer together to close the net on the criminals involved in this outrage and other suspected incidents in this area and elsewhere in NI. Already some progress has been made on this case though for obvious reasons I will not be going into the details for now:)


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    Birdnuts
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    bogtreader wrote: »
    A terrible thing to happen it will take a while for these poisonings to stop.
    I think it was Lorcan o Toole who said in the RTE series that it boils down
    to education.Hopefully it happens sooner rather than later:mad:

    Good point - the ongoing failure of our education system to cover the vital areas of environmental resource mangement, valueing biodiversity etc. particulary at secondary level is shamefull in this day and age.:mad:


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    magicbastarder
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    i know this sounds a bit reactionary, but you probably need a qualification or licence to do most jobs in this country, so does the idea of a phased system of licencing farmers - the main idea being education - sound absurd?


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    Birdnuts
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i know this sounds a bit reactionary, but you probably need a qualification or licence to do most jobs in this country, so does the idea of a phased system of licencing farmers - the main idea being education - sound absurd?

    Not at all and to be fair this already happens to some degree during REPS training courses and farm walks etc. . - but to quote a line in a famous Paul Newman film"theres some people you just can't reach".;)

    PS: Don't make the mistake of assuming all these incidents are connected to rogue farmers - the details of this case which as I said earlier I can't divulge too much about would suggest the culprit was not from the farming community - that is as much as I can say for now:)


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    Scotty #
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    Is it the general belief that the eagles are specifically being targeted?


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    magicbastarder
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    not as far as i understand; it's more that they're scavenging on poisoned carcasses left out for foxes and crows.


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    Scotty #
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    Ohh, I thought most eagles would only eat what they caught. I thought it was birds, rats, eating the poison and it moving up the food chain.


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    Birdnuts
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    not as far as i understand; it's more that they're scavenging on poisoned carcasses left out for foxes and crows.

    Now thankfully illegal on both sides of the border though why it was only banned here last month (over 3 years into the project) beggars beleif:rolleyes: - I suspect it was to avoid a large fine from the EU.

    PS: To be fair most sheep farmers do not use poison and instead use safe methods of vermin control such as shooting, trapping, better housing etc.


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    Birdnuts
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    Scotty # wrote: »
    Ohh, I thought most eagles would only eat what they caught. I thought it was birds, rats, eating the poison and it moving up the food chain.

    Most eagle spp. are carrion feeders in the harsh winter months - thats why Sea Eagles tend to move to the coast at this time of year to scavange seal carcasses and the like:)


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    Mothman
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    Scotty # wrote: »
    Ohh, I thought most eagles would only eat what they caught. I thought it was birds, rats, eating the poison and it moving up the food chain.
    Diet of Golden Eagles
    Its main food preference across its range is medium sized mammals such as hares and Rabbits and a variety of birds including seabirds. Carrion including dead sheep and deer can also be an important part of the diet especially in winter.
    My emphasis


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    #22
    Birdnuts
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    Indeed MM - the WTSE in particular is more a vulture then an eagle as most people understand the term:)


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    #23
    mallards
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    I'm ashamed that this has happened in my own county and hope the culprit or culprits are swiftly caught and either educated or punished if it was done on purpose. Anyone I have ever spoke with here, that had any knowledge of these birds looked forward to seeing them or had already enjoyed seeing them, including farmers, shooters, a gamekeeper and other country folk. I had the pleasure of watching one some years ago crossing my ground.

    Mallards


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    trebor28
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i know this sounds a bit reactionary, but you probably need a qualification or licence to do most jobs in this country, so does the idea of a phased system of licencing farmers - the main idea being education - sound absurd?

    do the leaders of our government do any training for their jobs?

    to become a farmer these days you have to go to farming colleges around the country and study for several months, afaik.

    this is obviously only a quite recent occurrence.


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    Mothman
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    trebor28 wrote: »
    to become a farmer these days you have to go to farming colleges around the country and study for several months, afaik.

    this is obviously only a quite recent occurrence.

    No, one does not have to go to college to be a farmer, but to avail of certain grants/reliefs a farmer needs to have completed some education. This can be done from home. This or something similar has been in place for at least 25 years


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    puheen
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    +1 To what Mallards said. As a fellow member of the Hunting Forum I can truly say that it has been a great pleasure to see an increase in the larger raptors over the past 15 or so years. I would ask anyone who has a problem with vermin to contact their local Gun Club to help with the problem rather than using poison as we are only to willing to help out, and the methods employed are very target specific.


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    RonMexico
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    Another Sea Eagle poisoned. :mad:


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    Feargal as Luimneach
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    RonMexico wrote: »
    Another Sea Eagle poisoned. :mad:
    It says in the report that another sea eagle was shot. Another two birds murdered:(


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    magicbastarder
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    i read that as 'this is the second bird killed in this area', but not necessarily in recent times.


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    marlin vs
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    What a pity, and a waste.eaglef.gif


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    Feargal as Luimneach
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    The noose is tightening around the Eagles. Not only are they being attacked by people poisoning them, they are also being shot. The criminal who poisoned the eagle might not have intended the poison for foxes or crows (still illegal however). But the shooter who shot the sea eagle knew full what they were doing and that makes it more disturbing:mad::mad::mad:


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