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RTE and High Definition

  • 16-10-2010 01:02AM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭


    Have RTE indicated when they will be broadcasting in HD? They have alot of content especially from the US which is Hdef native.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,236 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Have RTE indicated when they will be broadcasting in HD?

    No.

    Discussed here previously.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Mr McBoatface


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Have RTE indicated when they will be broadcasting in HD? They have alot of content especially from the US which is Hdef native.

    The Technical launch of service is only a few weeks away and there isn't even a public awareness campaign or a list of certified STB's issued by RTE/RTENL, never mind any indication of when/what and how much HD programming to expect.

    For some spectacled time-lines see Watty's post here - http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68450669&postcount=477. Some excellent info provided by Watty who really knows his stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    We might have 4 or 5 HD channels by 2013 to 2014.

    It's early days yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭FREETV


    jobyrne30 wrote: »
    The Technical launch of service is only a few weeks away and there isn't even a public awareness campaign or a list of certified STB's issued by RTE/RTENL, never mind any indication of when/what and how much HD programming to expect.

    For some spectacled time-lines see Watty's post here - http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68450669&postcount=477. Some excellent info provided by Watty who really knows his stuff.
    31 Oct is very soon but as you said no information as of yet and as usual everything in this country is done at the very last minute. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68531268&postcount=8

    Don't expect an overnight change on 31st OCtober 2010 other that what we have being "official".
    Nov 2010 to April 2011 period should see Publicity increased and upgrades to Soarview.

    End of December should see the nail biting Proton Launch of Ka-Sat. If it works, RTE will be renting space on it for a copy of Saorview. It also will give cheaper Two Way Satellite for those that can't get Broadband.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭lgs 4


    watty wrote: »
    We might have 4 or 5 HD channels by 2013 to 2014.

    It's early days yet.
    and if you have freesat even more HD channles and if you can freeview my personal feeling happy days
    FREE HD
    FOR
    ALL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    RTE say you should get Freesat.

    Read the link!

    Debate debates.oireachtas.ie
    Mr. Conor Hayes:
    The UK channels are available under an approach called Freesat, which is broadcast by a company owned by the BBC and ITV. They broadcast these channels in the clear over Ireland using a wide-band satellite operating in the KU band. RTE’s satellite option is a narrow-band satellite operating in the Ka band. One cannot get them on the same satellite. In the US, there are hybrid dishes available and householders can receive Ka band and Ku band signals. That is technically feasible and there are some 22 million households in the US using it. The cost of the dish is approximately $65.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    Just read this remark from the above link again
    I am biased, as I have been trying out different technologies at home. I have a high definition television on which I watched some of the BBC’s coverage of the World Cup, although I turned down the volume. I swapped between it and our test DTT service and the quality of the RTE picture on DTT was better than the BBC’s high definition picture. The satellite picture will be good, but it will be better on DTT.

    He must have been receiving some secret RTE2 HD stream at the time, otherwise his bias to RTE has blinded him.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Bob_Harris wrote: »
    Just read this remark from the above link again

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. Conor Hayes
    I am biased, as I have been trying out different technologies at home. I have a high definition television on which I watched some of the BBC’s coverage of the World Cup, although I turned down the volume. I swapped between it and our test DTT service and the quality of the RTE picture on DTT was better than the BBC’s high definition picture. The satellite picture will be good, but it will be better on DTT.


    He must have been receiving some secret RTE2 HD stream at the time, otherwise his bias to RTE has blinded him.

    He did not say where he got the BBC signal from - maybe it was a poor cable signal. Also, he may have a very high grade receiver for RTE2.


  • Posts: 22,785 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Or more likely,he didn't know what he was talking about.
    On BBC HD you could see individual players strands of hair...
    On 576 rte2,you cannot.

    He was trying to impress the t.d's with a line which was rubbish.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭marclt


    Whilst you can give him a little credit for making an error, if he suggested something he knew was wrong then that is a different story!

    Best not say to much more on that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    watty wrote: »
    .

    It's early days yet.

    I would have agreed with you if it was 1999.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭lgs 4


    most of programs on rte 1 and rte 2 are us which are high def and most of the uk programs within the last two years are high def, its just home made programs need hd camera,s and hd facility, which have come down cost in the last year FREE HD FOR ALL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Machinehead


    Change to RTÉ NL HD test channel today. RTÉ NL test card removed & replaced by coloured bars. HD video not showing. Anyone know of any inpending changes? I myself was hoping that RTÉ might feed thru the champions league game tonight as a test. No joy there:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Gipo3


    I seen that the picture froze earlier on about six i think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭maclek


    I'm getting HD on the RTE NL test channel. Video of horses in fields and windmills. Very high quality picture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,236 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    maclek wrote: »
    I'm getting HD on the RTE NL test channel. Video of horses in fields and windmills. Very high quality picture.

    As have we all since the 23rd Sept.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭maclek


    I looked for a existing thread on it but missed that one, page 29 of some random thread! Ah well, thanks for pointing it out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,236 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    maclek wrote: »
    I looked for a existing thread on it ...

    There was a thread started later that day - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056040926


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,236 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    From today's Irish Times
    RTÉ could be left high and dry
    Fri, Nov 05, 2010

    The broadcaster has lost ground in the move to HD TV and the downturn means it could be a long time before it catches up. IAN CAMPBELL reports

    TWO WEEKS ago, UTV became the first broadcaster in Ireland to launch a high-definition (HD) television service. Two days ago, the BBC launched BBC One as a dedicated HD channel in the UK.

    Anyone expecting RTÉ to be hot on their heels will be disappointed. Director of TV operations John Hunt admits the State broadcaster is between six and eight years away from launching similar services.

    Upgrading RTÉ’s infrastructure to support HD channels would cost over €25 million, money that is simply not available to the cash-strapped broadcaster.

    “We will get to a tipping point when it has to become a multimillion investment and we will have to bite the bullet, but, because of the current financial situation, we’re not there at that moment,” says Hunt.

    Sky and UPC are already transmitting HD channels but the uptake has not been significant enough to make a difference to RTÉ viewing figures, according to Hunt. He knows it is a situation that can change.

    “At the moment, a lot of people have HD TVs but they are not watching any HD content. It has gone beyond the early days of adoption but it has not become business critical to us yet,” he says.

    As HD becomes more popular, RTÉ runs the risk of people switching over when there’s a choice. Even football, a stalwart of the prime-time RTÉ schedule, could lose out to British coverage because of inferior picture quality.

    “That is a risk that has always concerned me,” says Hunt. “With RTÉ not having HD TV, people could turn to competitors. At the moment we have the edge. If it’s an Irish match, they prefer to watch it with an Irish broadcaster and we do well because our analysts are Irish and give a different perspective to Sky and BBC.”

    Is there pressure from advertisers for the improved picture quality?

    “I wouldn’t call it pressure but there are occasional inquiries about when we’re going to HD,” he says. “As it becomes more mainstream, some advertisers might push for it but right now they want the biggest audience and RTÉ gives them that by a long way.”

    Hunt believes widespread adoption of HD is some way off. Most new televisions are HD- enabled but that doesn’t mean people are watching HD content. “Some people bought them and probably still don’t understand that they’re not getting HD TV. While it’s frustrating that the market has gone ahead of us, I don’t think there is a large HD audience in Ireland at the moment. My ‘guestimate’ is that the Sky service is only watched in about 100,000 homes.”

    While Sky never reveals subscriber figures, Sky Ireland director Mark Deering claims one in five customers pay the €15 extra for the 14 HD channels on its Sky+ HD service. He said the take-up in the UK was closer to one in three.

    “It would be fair to suggest that we are trailing the UK a little. One of the reasons for this is the absence of indigenous content from RTÉ or TV3. In the UK, the five terrestrial broadcasters all have HD channels.”

    In the short term, RTÉ will take incremental steps towards HD, using Saorview, the free-to-air digital terrestrial television (DTT) network. Trials have begun of the service, which covers 90 per cent of the population, transmitting RTÉ and TV3 programming.

    For the one million viewers who currently watch analogue terrestrial TV, Saorview will be the free-to-air replacement. People have two years to upgrade their television sets to receive the digital signal before the analogue service is switched off at the end of 2012.

    A full DTT service is expected to launch early next year but set-top boxes may be available before Christmas. Hunt said they will cost a little more than their Freeview equivalents in the UK which start at about £30 (€34).

    Although both systems carry DTT, they are not compatible. “Every country is doing its own thing so every set-top box is slightly different. The time you get into DTT determines the level of technology you adopt,” says Hunt.

    Saorview uses the MPeg-4 standard and will carry HD broadcasts. RTÉ has proposed a HD channel that is pending a review by the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland. The plan is to show “HD light” coverage of live sporting events such as GAA matches, Six Nations rugby and international football.

    HD outside broadcast facilities will make it possible to transmit “whistle-to-whistle” HD, but studio and recorded content would remain standard definition.

    The priority is to provide some HD programming for Saorview but the content will almost certainly find its way onto Sky and UPC as the broadcaster looks to “maximise the investment”.

    RTÉ is rebuilding and re-engineering studios to be HD-capable and drawing up a business case to further develop the production facilities.

    The company recently invested in the latest Sony HD cameras and a tender is under way to begin a migration to a tapeless production environment, but transmitting HD-recorded material or studio-based content will be impossible until a complete HD upgrade takes place.

    The reality is a full-blown RTÉ HD service will only come with the completion of the purpose-built building planned for the Donnybrook site. Construction is not expected to begin before 2012.

    “We should be at the forefront of technology and offering Irish viewers the best that’s out there but that’s not possible at the moment, and the current financial situation means we are constantly reviewing our plans,” says Hunt.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2010/1105/1224282715859.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    That's why they are only talking about an RTE 2HD Lite. But they have bought the Playout gear. So there will be occasional HD

    The article is a bit misleading as there is a lot of HD output possible without the €25M new complex. This slightly smacks of propaganda to get sympathy, planning approvals and money from somewhere.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Also the writer does not understand the subject.
    Sky will not be getting RTE HD in the short term.
    RTE gets the major audience within the republic, whether it is HD or not.
    RTE HD content will not be available in SD on the Saorview platform.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Machinehead


    I am open to correction here, but maybe the lower uptake of Sky HD services here is due to the fact that here they have a €15pm extra charge, whereas in the UK the HD services incur no extra charge on the monthly subscription.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    In the UK, you will get BBC HD, BBC 1 HD, Channel 4 HD, Channel 5 HD & ITV 1 HD (excl. NI) on the EPG without the HD pack. In Ireland, you will just get BBC HD.

    The HD pack charge in the UK is currently £10 (€11.52) per month. We pay €15. You also get ITV 2 HD (and soon ITV 3 HD & ITV 4 HD) with the HD pack in the UK.

    Luxe HD is not worth mentioning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 177 ✭✭cartman51773


    your right there JDExtra we pay the full €15 and loose out on at least 9 hd channels that they get in the uk and we dont get them here. sky know what they are doing though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭jamescc


    just been reading from this and rte might not be going hd for a few years
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2010/1105/1224282715859.html:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Mr McBoatface


    jamescc wrote: »
    just been reading from this and rte might not be going hd for a few years
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2010/1105/1224282715859.html:confused:

    That's what the guys are discussing a few posts above. Don't believe anything you read in a newspaper, the real experts are here on boards.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭pigeon1916


    Also the writer does not understand the subject.
    Sky will not be getting RTE HD in the short term.
    RTE gets the major audience within the republic, whether it is HD or not.
    RTE HD content will not be available in SD on the Saorview platform.

    How do you know that they will not have a separate RTE HD channel for live sporting events and also show them in SD. ?

    Does anyone have the proposed services list that was sent into the BAI.

    from what I have been reading, at the moment they have a licence from the BAI to show the current services and they have sent in a proposal to the BAI to add to the current services.

    http://www.rte.ie/saorview/channels.html

    I thought that the article was interesting enough, Thanks to The Cush for posting it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Mr McBoatface


    pigeon1916 wrote: »
    How do you know that they will not have a separate RTE HD channel for live sporting events and also show them in SD. ?

    Does anyone have the proposed services list that was sent into the BAI.

    from what I have been reading, at the moment they have a licence from the BAI to show the current services and they have sent in a proposal to the BAI to add to the current services.

    http://www.rte.ie/saorview/channels.html

    I thought that the article was interesting enough, Thanks to The Cush for posting it.


    Most of this if not all the information was made public or confirmed when Conor Hayes from RTÉ meet the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Communciations, Energy and Natural Resources on the July 7 2010.

    See the opening statement to the committy - http://www.techtir.ie/sites/default/files/JOCC20100714.doc

    Plenty more information and well grounded speculation all put together nicely on Watty's web site - http://www.techtir.ie/saortv.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,236 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    pigeon1916 wrote: »
    How do you know that they will not have a separate RTE HD channel for live sporting events and also show them in SD. ?

    Follow the link below to a previous discussion on RTÉ's plans for "RTÉ 2 HD light"

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056021365


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