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Ford 1.8 TDCi issues - 2008 cars onwards.

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  • 03-09-2010 10:51pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭


    Anyone here got an 08 onwards Ford fitted with the 1.8TDCi engine, and has had engine trouble with it? If so, can you give me some idea what happened with it?

    The cars I'm interested in are the Focus / CMax / SMax / Mondeo. Please report only with the above engine and from '08 onwards...;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Did Mazda get involved with the engine design perchance? :D Seriously though, never heard of any problems with recent Ford diesels.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭Bodhan


    No problems with the 1.8 that I've heard of. Very different cars you're looking at in that list though


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,675 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    We'd have a good few on fleet, and I really can't remember any issues with any of them.

    Hasn't that engine been about since 1960 or something?

    OP - any reasoning behind the request? I'm guessing from some of your very knowledgable previous posts that you are a mechanic?

    The only thing I'll say about the 1.8Tdci lump is that it's pretty crap in the S-Max/Galaxy/Mondeo. Lag is horrific and it's incrediby easy to stall.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭shamwari


    R.O.R wrote: »
    We'd have a good few on fleet, and I really can't remember any issues with any of them.

    Hasn't that engine been about since 1960 or something?

    OP - any reasoning behind the request? I'm guessing from some of your very knowledgable previous posts that you are a mechanic?

    The only thing I'll say about the 1.8Tdci lump is that it's pretty crap in the S-Max/Galaxy/Mondeo. Lag is horrific and it's incrediby easy to stall.

    I had a chat with a buddy in the UK who tells me that they are seeing particlar problems affecting this engine in the cars mentioned from 08 on. I don't want to start saying I heard "this rumour and that rumour" and then this causes all sorts of misplaced reponses. I'd like to judge on what people have genuinely experienced with that cars in question over here.

    The issue with lag in the cars you mentioned ROR might have a bearing on this. Once such issue relates to excess sooting of the vanes in the turbo, and this causes overboost problems. A clean out, PCM upgrade to modify EGR operation, and a good hard drive is the prescribed cure for that one! I am told that before the overboost occurs (when the vanes jam in the max boost position), the time it takes the turbo to spool up (lag) increases noticeably.

    The other issue potential / alleged issue I heard of is that a batch of faulty injectors may have been fitted to some 08/09 Focus's 1.8 TDCi's, and this manifests itself as lumpy or poor running, the car going into limp mode, and fault code being stored for the injector concerned.

    In the case of both issues I've heard above, there does not seem to be issues with them here in Ireland, but they are supposed to be known in the UK. It might be down to the fact that they drive more diesels over there than we do here. Anyone, not wishing to cause alarm, but one to watch if you are in the trade ;)

    Just to add that this engine originally stated life in the early 80's as a 1608cc diesel in the Fiesta and Escort producing around 45bhp. It was the first engine I did a timing belt on!! It was bored out to just under 1800cc in the late 80's. It was turbocharged in the Mondeo and Escort in the mid '90's. It received a fly-by-wire pump and direct injection head for the Focus from '99 onwards, and common railed in 2002. It also got a VGT a year or two later and subtle updates and DPF now have it at 115bhp and Euro5 compliant. Ford call it the Lynx engine now. In all the time I've worked on one, I have never seen one blow a head gasket or put a conrod through the block. It is a very very strong engine!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    There is a massive recall in UK and Ireland on any Ford with the 1.8TDCI unit at the minute, something to do with the salt on the roads corroding the cooling fan module causing it to overheat and go up in flames.

    Other than that, havent heard any problems with the 1.8 unit.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭DaveJac


    fairly old engine really just updated every now and then, One of the turbo pipes breaks at a mounting point repalced loads of them when i was working with ford not a major problem you will down in power and will have oil all over the engine


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    There is a massive recall in UK and Ireland on any Ford with the 1.8TDCI unit at the minute, something to do with the salt on the roads corroding the cooling fan module causing it to overheat and go up in flames.

    Other than that, havent heard any problems with the 1.8 unit.

    We don't use salt on our roads, we use grit and molasses AFAIK.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Confab wrote: »
    We don't use salt on our roads, we use grit and molasses AFAIK.

    Yeah I know, the recall has still been issued here, i'd say due to the high number of uk imports in the last few years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭Sikie


    Have this engine in a Galaxy and I was told on the last service that a noise in coming from the gearbox could be a dual mass flywheel going.
    Between the reaction of the service manager to a pointed question on why this should be failing and the car with only 40k km so I thought this sounds like a ford design fault. Googling through UK motor forums has reinforced this theory for me. However the car is now outside the warrant


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,675 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    There is a massive recall in UK and Ireland on any Ford with the 1.8TDCI unit at the minute, something to do with the salt on the roads corroding the cooling fan module causing it to overheat and go up in flames.

    Other than that, havent heard any problems with the 1.8 unit.

    Wasn't it the same recall last year for the 1.6Tdci's? Think it was just 06's and we had shed loads. Early 07 S40 1.6d's were recalled as well for the same thing.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    R.O.R wrote: »
    Wasn't it the same recall last year for the 1.6Tdci's? Think it was just 06's and we had shed loads. Early 07 S40 1.6d's were recalled as well for the same thing.

    Yeah I think it was the same for the 1.6TDCi now that you mention it. We've a shedload due to come back still that never got the recall carried out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭shamwari


    Sikie wrote: »
    Have this engine in a Galaxy and I was told on the last service that a noise in coming from the gearbox could be a dual mass flywheel going.
    Between the reaction of the service manager to a pointed question on why this should be failing and the car with only 40k km so I thought this sounds like a ford design fault. Googling through UK motor forums has reinforced this theory for me. However the car is now outside the warrant


    Would that not be the VAG unit in that? Or are they using the 1.8's on that now too? Either way, deperately bad luck that the DMF has gone so soon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭DaveJac


    shamwari wrote: »
    Would that not be the VAG unit in that? Or are they using the 1.8's on that now too? Either way, deperately bad luck that the DMF has gone so soon.

    The new Galaxy is a Ford not a shared platform like the old model that was Ford VW and Seat


  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭Sikie


    The 1.8 in the Galaxy is identical to the Mondeo


  • Registered Users Posts: 64,891 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Sikie wrote: »
    Have this engine in a Galaxy and I was told on the last service that a noise in coming from the gearbox could be a dual mass flywheel going.
    Between the reaction of the service manager to a pointed question on why this should be failing and the car with only 40k km so I thought this sounds like a ford design fault. Googling through UK motor forums has reinforced this theory for me. However the car is now outside the warrant

    DMF is not just a Ford design fault, it is a failed technology. My neighbour just forked out €2.5k on his 3 year old Korean car (just outside warranty) for a DMF fix (including timing belt and full service, but still ridiculous money on a nearly new econobox)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 gearoidz


    Just had the timing belt go in my 1.8 TDCi 2008 Galaxy which wrecked the engine @ only 104K kms. I got it 2nd hand 1.5 years ago .. serviced it in a Ford garage last year but since it had no prior service history I had no comeback. Supposedly the timing belt should be good for 200K kms.
    Anyway looking for a replacement engine ... anyone know where I might get one?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,839 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    gearoidz wrote: »
    Just had the timing belt go in my 1.8 TDCi 2008 Galaxy which wrecked the engine @ only 104K kms. I got it 2nd hand 1.5 years ago .. serviced it in a Ford garage last year but since it had no prior service history I had no comeback. Supposedly the timing belt should be good for 200K kms.
    Anyway looking for a replacement engine ... anyone know where I might get one?

    No, 200k kms would be pushing it in the extreme, however you were still very unfortunate to have it go at 104k, that would be the edge of the recommended replacement window.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    No, 200k kms would be pushing it in the extreme, however you were still very unfortunate to have it go at 104k, that would be the edge of the recommended replacement window.....

    The recommended replacement interval is 200,000km.

    We towed in a 2008 Focus this morning with a broken belt as well co-incidentally. Also broken ahead of the recommended replacement interval.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭Bpmull


    Yeah I think it was the same for the 1.6TDCi now that you mention it. We've a shedload due to come back still that never got the recall carried out.

    I have a 1.6tdci focus 07 how do you find out if the car was recalled as I'm sure it's only the previous owner that gets a letter about the recall?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 gearoidz


    An available engine at the moment, the asking price is €1,750 with ~40,000 Kms on it, 3 month warranty.
    The garage have quoted €3,100 (inclusive of VAT) to buy and install the engine.
    Seems a bit pricey to me.
    Will try and find better before executing on the above.
    Sourcing one in the UK will mean shipping costs and any warranty problems will be more expensive because it will need more shipping .. as well as the labour.

    Am I limited to the exact same engine that it had?
    One garage said any engine from 2006 on (I presume from the same Galaxy) another gave it as a 1.8 TD Ci Duratorq Lynx 125ps. I think these are also used in Mondeos and the Focus.

    @ George D - Are they in the same boat as me? I put mine in to 2nd before it stopped to see that it hadn't seized probably wrecking it more.

    Is there driver behavior that can shorten the lifetime of a timing belt - sometimes skipping gears, going from 4th-6th etc.?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    gearoidz wrote: »
    @ George D - Are they in the same boat as me? I put mine in to 2nd before it stopped to see that it hadn't seized probably wrecking it more.

    What is the extent of the damage to your engine? We haven't stripped this one down yet so we don't know for sure but I reckon we will be able to repair it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 gearoidz


    What is the extent of the damage to your engine? We haven't stripped this one down yet so we don't know for sure but I reckon we will be able to repair it.

    The detail I got off the mechanic who looked at mine was that any of the engine could not be reliable salvaged and I needed a replacement. I was on the motorway doing 120kmph when the belt snapped so he's likely correct?
    I asked about using half of it and half of another but he said no - it would likely be costly to do and unreliable after.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 gearoidz


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    No, 200k kms would be pushing it in the extreme, however you were still very unfortunate to have it go at 104k, that would be the edge of the recommended replacement window.....

    The service manager at a Ford garage I was talking to gave me the 200,000 kms replacement figure for the timing belt.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    gearoidz wrote: »
    The detail I got off the mechanic who looked at mine was that any of the engine could not be reliable salvaged and I needed a replacement. I was on the motorway doing 120kmph when the belt snapped so he's likely correct?
    I asked about using half of it and half of another but he said no - it would likely be costly to do and unreliable after.

    Stripped the Focus today. All four pistons are cracked. All of the valves are bent and most of the valve guides are damaged. So a pretty big mess :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭Smash The House


    The recommended replacement interval is 200,000km.

    We towed in a 2008 Focus this morning with a broken belt as well co-incidentally. Also broken ahead of the recommended replacement interval.
    gearoidz wrote: »
    The detail I got off the mechanic who looked at mine was that any of the engine could not be reliable salvaged and I needed a replacement. I was on the motorway doing 120kmph when the belt snapped so he's likely correct?
    I asked about using half of it and half of another but he said no - it would likely be costly to do and unreliable after.

    Holy crap!

    I'd like to report a third instance of this happening. A friend's Galaxy's timing belt also died while driving on a motorway just a couple of months ago. It only had around 120,000 km on the clock from what I remember I think.
    They ended up replacing the engine too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    We have started ringing our customers with cars that are affected to get them to bring them in early for the belt job. Did 2 in the past week that I can say from inspecting the wet belt when it came off would almost certainly not have made it to the 200,000km mark.

    We spent a lot of the week fighting with Ford over the Focus I mentioned above to see if they would contribute towards the cost of the repairs but got nowhere because the first few services on the car were slightly over the recommended 20,000km interval. Ford reckon this caused the belt failure. I reckon it was their stupid decision to change from the reliable chain setup to the wet belt but they were having none of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 552 ✭✭✭enumbers


    Just spotted this gonna cause me some fun over the next week or so will have to make a few calls to customers with good news, better than the belt snapping but its hard to explain to a customer that they need to spend money that they weren't expecting


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    enumbers wrote: »
    Just spotted this gonna cause me some fun over the next week or so will have to make a few calls to customers with good news, better than the belt snapping but its hard to explain to a customer that they need to spend money that they weren't expecting

    The thing is that if it was just a few bent valves when the belt snapped it wouldn't be too bad. But they all seem to be smashing the pistons to bits when the belt lets go so it is a major disaster. I have called every scrap yard in the country looking for an engine for that Focus with no joy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 552 ✭✭✭enumbers


    So it looks like bringing the interval back down to 100k is the only safe option, thats crazy when they can make a dry set-up that will happily last 200k. Are these cars irish or english cars, mileage genuine? just clutching at straws here but have enough stuff to deal without this


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    All three Focuses I mentioned in this thread are Irish cars with full and verifiable history. One is ex Leaseplan (this is the one that broke the belt) and the other two (which we have now changed the belts on) came from AIB Leasing IIRC.


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