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RTE Announce FTA Saorsat service

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  • #2702
    mackersdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    Has RTÉ Choice been removed from Saorsat?


  • #2703
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    mackersdublin wrote: »
    Has RTÉ Choice been removed from Saorsat?

    It's been removed from Saorview, so I would imagine so.


  • #2704
    John896
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭John896


    The two test service channels are back on,Seirbhis Thrialach looks a nice test card.


  • #2705
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    John896 wrote: »
    The two test service channels are back on,Seirbhis Thrialach looks a nice test card.

    Are these on the same Multiplex/frequency or on a different multiplex/frequency? If so what is the test frequency?


  • #2706
    John896
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭John896


    It`s on the same frequency rte one+1 has been removed along with rte choice radio.


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  • #2707
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    John896 wrote: »
    It`s on the same frequency rte one+1 has been removed along with rte choice radio.

    RTE1+1 only broadcasts after 7pm 19:00. Try scanning again after 19:00 RTE Choice radio has stopped broadcasting. It is also removed from Saorview terrestrial.


  • #2708
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    zg3409 wrote: »
    RTE1+1 only broadcasts after 7pm 19:00. Try scanning again after 19:00 RTE Choice radio has stopped broadcasting. It is also removed from Saorview terrestrial.

    Looks like RTÉ Choice has been AXED.


  • #2709
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,644 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Elmo wrote: »
    Looks like RTÉ Choice has been AXED.

    RTÉ Radio 1Extra and RTÉ Choice had the same programming since Aug 2012 - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=86487975


  • #2710
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The Cush wrote: »
    RTÉ Radio 1Extra and RTÉ Choice had the same programming since Aug 2012 - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=86487975

    Even still RTÉ just dropped it with little warning and the simucast of R1Extra programming was done very quickly.

    RTÉ have no sense of Digital either on TV or Radio. Why keep RTÉ Gold? Why not repeat Golden oldy shows from R1 and 2fm on Gold? e.g. Larry Gogan, Ronan Collins, John Clarke, Micheal Cahill, John Credon, Risin' Time, Late Date etc etc?


  • #2711
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Or why not make some more decent new programs and forget about extra RTE Digital Stations. Then increase bitrate for the "real" stations".


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  • #2712
    jimbo2007
    Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭jimbo2007


    John896 wrote: »
    It`s on the same frequency rte one+1 has been removed along with rte choice radio.

    So what are the service labels, SID and PIDs for therse channels? RTE 1_1 was SID 5108 with PIDs 5108/5208. Is it two TV services or one TV and two radio services? What about RTE 1 Extra - is this still on?

    Earier I asked about RTE One HD - this is now announced for 21 October on DTT, and possibly TG4 HD as well I believe.

    Is this what the two tests are for?


  • #2713
    Copyerselveson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭Copyerselveson


    On the basis that Saorsat copies the Saorview content except for TV3 and 3e, then I'd expect that RTE One HD and TG4 HD will be on Saorsat at the same time as Saorview.


  • #2714
    jimbo2007
    Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭jimbo2007


    Copyerselveson wrote: »
    On the basis that Saorsat copies the Saorview content except for TV3 and 3e, then I'd expect that RTE One HD and TG4 HD will be on Saorsat at the same time as Saorview.

    Aparently these new services are DTT only for the time being.


  • #2715
    jimbo2007
    Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭jimbo2007


    Anyone with the satellite service SaoSat confirm what has happened on the RTE Choice channel - is this deleted or carrying RTE Gold?

    I ask bcause the webstream that was RTE Choice is also carrying RTE Gold - identical to the RTE Gold stream. Can anyone confirm pleasse? Thanks.


  • #2716
    jimbo2007
    Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭jimbo2007


    John896 wrote: »
    The two test service channels are back on,Seirbhis Thrialach looks a nice test card.

    Seirbhis Thrialach translates to Trail Service. so this is on satellite on the ssame frequency as the main SaoSat service - 20.185 L?


  • #2717
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    jimbo2007 wrote: »
    Seirbhis Thrialach translates to Trail Service. so this is on satellite on the ssame frequency as the main SaoSat service - 20.185 L?

    The trial can come and go. It is on the same frequency as other Saorsat services, however if you are located near Liverpool in the UK then you will not be able to receive the satellite services from Saorsat as, no matter the size of dish, a signal cannot be picked up as there is a similar signal "jamming" over the liverpool/scotland area from the same point in the Sky. Thus you would only get the stronger signal.


  • #2718
    jimbo2007
    Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭jimbo2007


    zg3409 wrote: »
    The trial can come and go. It is on the same frequency as other Saorsat services, however if you are located near Liverpool in the UK then you will not be able to receive the satellite services from Saorsat as, no matter the size of dish, a signal cannot be picked up as there is a similar signal "jamming" over the liverpool/scotland area from the same point in the Sky. Thus you would only get the stronger signal.

    I realise that, and thanks for the info. Can you confirm if the "RTE Choice label has been removed and is RTE One +1 still there on 9 East?

    Also, is there a mux on tht frequency that has TV on it that can be got in the UK or is it a data signal?

    Thanks.


  • #2719
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    jimbo2007 wrote: »
    I realise that, and thanks for the info. Can you confirm if the "RTE Choice label has been removed and is RTE One +1 still there on 9 East?

    I think it is gone, but I cannot confirm right now. The channel is no more
    Also, is there a mux on tht frequency that has TV on it that can be got in the UK or is it a data signal?

    Thanks.

    The UK and ROI has 3 spots on the same frequency. Only the ROI spot carries TV. The "East Scottish" and "NW France" seem to only carry encrypted internet downlinks, and also they carry a blank DVB-S (as opposed to DVB-S2) TV carrier on exacly 20.185 with no information on it, specifically to stop reception of RTE outside the main coverage area, as far as I can tell.
    I tested it on the ground near London and in Wales and others have tested in Machester.

    There is a seperate thread on boards.ie in the "foreign satellite" section about other signals around 20Ghz being broadcast from other satellites. It's not for this thread, which is solely for Saorsat discussion.

    They may charge RTE1 HD and TG4 extra money to broadcast more data on Saorsat, so the HD versions may not make it to Saorsat, but I hope not.


  • #2720
    Peddyr
    Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭Peddyr


    Can anyone confirm that reception of Saorsat is possible or otherwise in Ramsey, Isle of Mann? I know it's been received in Kirk Michael, but that's 9 miles to the south-west.

    I've moved from the south-west of the Ise of Mann where Saorview reception was good from CC, 3R and Kippure, to the north-east where Saorview is blocked by the hills. I'm keen to hear from anyone who actually knows whether Saorsat is do-able up here as I'm missing RTE, TG4 etc., and UK freeview is driving me nuts with all the American sit-com repeats and teleshopping, as there's not much else on it! :/


  • #2721
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    Peddyr wrote: »
    Can anyone confirm that reception of Saorsat is possible or otherwise in Ramsey, Isle of Mann? I know it's been received in Kirk Michael, but that's 9 miles to the south-west.

    I've moved from the south-west of the Ise of Mann where Saorview reception was good from CC, 3R and Kippure, to the north-east where Saorview is blocked by the hills. I'm keen to hear from anyone who actually knows whether Saorsat is do-able up here as I'm missing RTE, TG4 etc., and UK freeview is driving me nuts with all the American sit-com repeats and teleshopping, as there's not much else on it! :/

    Can you receive Divis/Black Mountain, in which case you may be able to get the NI mux. Only TG4, RTE1, and RTE2 with some blocking due to rights issues but better than nothing.


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  • #2722
    chris76
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭chris76


    The only real way is to try using a 1m solid dish or you could try the divis transmitter on rf channel 39 this is extremely strong anyway keep us posted.




    Peddyr wrote: »
    Can anyone confirm that reception of Saorsat is possible or otherwise in Ramsey, Isle of Mann? I know it's been received in Kirk Michael, but that's 9 miles to the south-west.

    I've moved from the south-west of the Ise of Mann where Saorview reception was good from CC, 3R and Kippure, to the north-east where Saorview is blocked by the hills. I'm keen to hear from anyone who actually knows whether Saorsat is do-able up here as I'm missing RTE, TG4 etc., and UK freeview is driving me nuts with all the American sit-com repeats and teleshopping, as there's not much else on it! :/


  • #2723
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Peddyr wrote: »
    Can anyone confirm that reception of Saorsat is possible or otherwise in Ramsey, Isle of Mann? I know it's been received in Kirk Michael, but that's 9 miles to the south-west.

    I think the simple answer is no body knows. I have a confirmed OK report from Peel with a 1M diameter dish. I have an unreliable reception with a 1M dish from Station road. The signal dropped out during the rain. You could try ringing every installer on the Island for local knowledge.

    The key thing to getting your location surveyed is

    1) Get an installer that has installed Saorsat before

    2) Confirm the equipment is working in say Peel, to confirm everything is setup properly. Also tuning in the channels with a strong signal makes it easier to setup for a weak signal.

    3) Get a SOLD NON FIBREGLASS, non mesh, offset feed Dish. I would not worry about the size too much for testing. Often large dishes are fibreglass

    4) Set up the dish with a normal LNB for 9 East channels then change the LNB for the special Saorsat LNB and peak the dish very carefully with a proper test meter. A 1M dish on Saorsat is VERY, VERY hard to align properly.

    I can put you in touch with the guy in Peel if you send me a private message.

    Finally let us know how you get on. I am keeping a record of failed or sucessful attempts to try give a coverage map.


  • #2724
    Copyerselveson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭Copyerselveson


    Given the possibility of reception of the NI minimux I would exhaust all possible terrestrial options before trying to obtain Saorsat reception.

    On another tangent, does anyone have an idea of how many households use Saorsat as their method to receive RTE/TG4 etc.?


  • #2725
    Skanco
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭Skanco


    We carried out some test on the Isle of Man; a friend of mine lives there, ex BBC engineer. Signal levels are now better than when transmissions first started. Sorry I cannot give exact details. Test was carried out using a 1.2 meter solid dish. Field tests carried out Douglas to Port Erin, thought to the north including Ramsey, and the cost road back to Douglas, it could be patchy. Fixed Dish1.2M solid in the south over the winter months showed it could also lose signal in very heavy rain. The answer to Ramsey reception is, yes can be received, but holding on to signal could be the challenge in poor weather.
    DTT Transmissions from Three Rock Transmitter on the Dublin Mountainsnow using Group A, can be received on higher ground in the south of the Island


  • #2726
    Peddyr
    Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭Peddyr


    Thanks for all your useful and informative replies folks. Black mountain is CCI with local Ramsey Tx on 39 so a no-goer. Divis is CCI with Caldbeck so likewise. I'm just talking to a local sat installer who says he's installed for Saorsat up here.

    More info as it progresses.

    Thanks again to all. :)


  • #2727
    Peddyr
    Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭Peddyr


    Peddyr wrote: »
    Thanks for all your useful and informative replies folks. Black mountain is CCI with local Ramsey Tx on 39 so a no-goer. Divis is CCI with Caldbeck so likewise. I'm just talking to a local sat installer who says he's installed for Saorsat up here.

    More info as it progresses.

    Thanks again to all. :)

    A local sat dealer up here says he's done a few Saorsat installations and top and bottom of it is, yes it can be received in Ramsey - for some of the time on a 1.2m dish but drops out a lot in bad weather, which basically all the time from here on until about June!

    Looking at another option that involves Sky...

    No terrestrial tv can be received here in Ramsey from any ROI tx due to the topography, so that's about all there is to report folks.


  • #2728
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    Looking at another option that involves Sky...

    Yep, Sky from a Northern Ireland address gets you RTE1, RTE2, TG4 and RTE Jr with some blocking due to rights issues.

    UTV HD will be available on SKY from the 4th November.

    An ROI address gets you all channels currently on Saorview with some UK services missing ????

    Not sure if Sky bother you if you don't have the appropriate phone line.


  • #2729
    mackersdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    Has anyone with Saorsat re-scanned since 21st Oct?

    Has RTÉ One HD replaced the SD version?

    Thanks


  • #2730
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    mackersdublin wrote: »
    Has anyone with Saorsat re-scanned since 21st Oct?

    Has RTÉ One HD replaced the SD version?

    Thanks

    Not for me and I've also lost RTEJr since these two test cards went live.


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  • #2731
    jimbo2007
    Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭jimbo2007


    Hello again.

    RTE Junior should still be there I thought - but on a separate stream to RTE 1+1.

    Has there been any further changes here since 21 October? I assume the two test cards are still active? Thanks.


  • #2732
    radiowaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Not for me and I've also lost RTEJr since these two test cards went live.

    The two test cards had been live for many weeks, if you've "suddenly" lost RTÉ Jr then it's your box at fault.
    jimbo2007 wrote: »
    I assume the two test cards are still active? Thanks.

    Gone at present.


  • #2733
    radiowaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    Seirbhís Thrialach 1 has returned - the test-tone has been replaced with audio from RTÉ Lyric FM

    Seirbhís Thrialach 2 has returned - the test-tone has been replaced with audio from RTÉ Raidío na Gaeltachta


  • #2734
    jimbo2007
    Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭jimbo2007


    radiowaves wrote: »
    Seirbhís Thrialach 1 has returned - the test-tone has been replaced with audio from RTÉ Lyric FM

    Seirbhís Thrialach 2 has returned - the test-tone has been replaced with audio from RTÉ Raidío na Gaeltachta

    Are the SIDs and PIDs the same as before? Thanks. And I suppose RTE 1 is still SD on here?


  • #2735
    radiowaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    jimbo2007 wrote: »
    Are the SIDs and PIDs the same as before? Thanks. And I suppose RTE 1 is still SD on here?

    They are, and your supposition is unfortunately correct.


  • #2736
    eamonpk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭eamonpk


    Mr. Rabbit wrote: »
    Yep, Sky from a Northern Ireland address gets you RTE1, RTE2, TG4 and RTE Jr with some blocking due to rights issues.

    UTV HD will be available on SKY from the 4th November.

    An ROI address gets you all channels currently on Saorview with some UK services missing ????

    Not sure if Sky bother you if you don't have the appropriate phone line.

    I have Sky Ireland up in Glengormley just North of Belfast as the Cavehill blocks me getting Saorview. I can tell you Sky don't bother me about the phone even when I have given my NI phone as my contact. With that you get all the Saorview channels plus BBC1/2/3/4 and Channel 4. To get UTV and Channel Five requires going into Other Channels and you can't record from it.

    I would give up Sky and go with SaorSat if I thought full SaorSat package was ther but TV3 3E etc was there - anyone any idea if TV3 will be available on SaorSat ever


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  • #2737
    bigVee
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭bigVee


    eamonpk wrote: »
    I would give up Sky and go with SaorSat if I thought full SaorSat package was ther but TV3 3E etc was there - anyone any idea if TV3 will be available on SaorSat ever

    I wonder what is the purpose of the test channels on Saorsat, which have been showing test cards since June? All may be revealed someday.


  • #2738
    jjf1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭jjf1974


    I wonder will UTV ireland use saorsat when it sets up in Dublin in 2015 ?


  • #2739
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    eamonpk wrote: »
    I have Sky Ireland up in Glengormley just North of Belfast as the Cavehill blocks me getting Saorview. I can tell you Sky don't bother me about the phone even when I have given my NI phone as my contact. With that you get all the Saorview channels plus BBC1/2/3/4 and Channel 4. To get UTV and Channel Five requires going into Other Channels and you can't record from it.

    I would give up Sky and go with SaorSat if I thought full SaorSat package was ther but TV3 3E etc was there - anyone any idea if TV3 will be available on SaorSat ever

    Sounds good.

    You could always get either a Freesat or Freeview PVR for the main terrestrial channels, bearing in mind a Freeview HD box will receive the NI mux from Carnmoney Hill.
    I wonder will UTV ireland use saorsat when it sets up in Dublin in 2015 ?

    Yes, was wondering that myself.

    They were saying they hoped to negotiate carriage on all digital platforms, so I assume this would include Saorsat.


  • #2740
    Mickey Mike
    Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    I strongly belive TV3 and 3E must use the saorsat platform, with so many black spots around Ireland and belive me there is. If Pat Rabbitt brings in a new broadcasting license and i hope he will, some of that money must go to broadcasters to help pay for transmission fees. Its not fair that this is happening. What is on Saorview should also be on Saorsat


  • #2741
    Mickey Mike
    Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    Just wondering if UTV IRELAND go straight onto HD instead of SD.


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  • #2742
    byte
    Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Mickie Mike wrote: »
    Just wondering if UTV IRELAND go straight onto HD instead of SD.
    It would make sense to do so, IMO.


  • #2743
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Mickie Mike wrote: »
    I strongly belive TV3 and 3E must use the saorsat platform, with so many black spots around Ireland and belive me there is. If Pat Rabbitt brings in a new broadcasting license and i hope he will, some of that money must go to broadcasters to help pay for transmission fees. Its not fair that this is happening. What is on Saorview should also be on Saorsat

    The transmission costs are LESS than they used to be per channel. Also Saorsat is probably less than a decent EPG slot on Sky. TV3 have no money is the problem. The Licence money shouldn't be wasted on subsidising companies suffering from leveraged buyouts. TV3's debt was the decision of Doughty Hanson Group. Not lack of revenue.


  • #2744
    coopershels
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭coopershels


    I emailed Pat Rabbitte's office the other day to complain about the content on saorsat compared to saorview. There has been no reply yet except an automated one but if anyone has not mailed him about this, I think you should because he can't ignore us all. If anyone can do anything about it, he can.


  • #2745
    Play To Kill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 485 ✭✭Play To Kill


    coopershels wrote: »
    I emailed Pat Rabbitte's office the other day to complain about the content on saorsat compared to saorview.

    I don't see what he can do if TV3 aren't going to pay to be on Saorsat. Tv3 made the decision not be on Saorsat.


  • #2746
    Copyerselveson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭Copyerselveson


    The Minister and the Department have no control over the Saorsat platform, it was created by RTE NL/2RN as a commercial venture. If TV3 choose not to pay for Saorsat access there is very little the minister can do.


  • #2747
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I know they say it is a "commercial venture" but I presume part of the commercial side was that they intended turning off loads of the smaller terrestrial broadcast sites, so people who used to get a signal before analogue switch off would have an option. The "commercial" was a cost saving on terrestrial sites, rather than extra income from terrestrial broadcasters having more viewers.

    When the facts of the number of sites being turned off was made aware to locals, some protested and some sites were upgraded to Saorview. However lots of the smaller sites were turned off, and possibly abandoned.

    In light of the fact that it does not really supply a real replacement for a Saorview signal, then as such it has possibly been a partial "commercial" failure.

    If the BAI or government added a clause saying "if you want to be on Saorview you need to also pay reasonable Saorsat costs" then it would give 100% coverage for all, and make Saorsat more "commercially viable"

    What would happen if RTENL/2RN decided Saorsat was now a commercial failure and shut it down?

    I do think asking is worth the effort, as all organisations/groups are concerned by "pressure groups".

    Anyone know the number of Saorsat LNBs sold? This would give an idea of the possible number of viewers, and the possible extra advertising revenue for TV3/UTV ROI etc.


  • #2748
    Copyerselveson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭Copyerselveson


    Saorview is a regulated service, Saorsat is not. If 2RN wished to shut a transmitter site, I would suspect the Department would have something to say about it. There is no Saorsat specific legislation. It would be nice if TV3 and 3e were on Saorsat, but they are under no legal obligation to be on it.


  • #2749
    coopershels
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭coopershels


    I know that there is no legal obligation for tv3 and 3e to be on saorsat and this is exactly why i suggested contacting Pat Rabbitte. He is the minister and deals with them directly, he could introduce legislation to force them to be on saorsat or he could supplement their payment to be on saorsat.

    It is just a suggestion and I think it's worth a try, it certainly can't do any harm:cool::cool:


  • #2750
    muffler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,305 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Im open to correction on this but TV3 need a license from the BAI to broadcast. Surely BAI should be imposing conditions that they (TV3) must put programmes out through saorsat. Perhaps not during the lifetime of the current license but certainly when they apply for renewal again.


  • #2751
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,644 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    muffler wrote: »
    Perhaps not during the lifetime of the current license but certainly when they apply for renewal again.

    TV3's licence expires in September 2018.


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