Green party dog bill???

pullandbang · 01-04-2010 11:14AM #1

On RTE1 at the moment. Discussing the new Green party hunting dog bill.

Don't know if it's an April 1st wind up but it's unbelievable!

Edit: It must be a piss take. They're on about a compulsory register of all hunting dogs (or potential hunting dogs) ie. poodles, pet cockers etc. The dog must be registered, wear a collar with a photo of the dog and the owner, including phone no.???

bunny shooter · 01-04-2010 11:45AM

I'll tell my Irish Setter but don't think he'll be bothered with all the paperwork :rolleyes:

They want my Irish Setter to have rights. No bother. With rights come responsibilites. I'll make it his responsibility to sort out all his paperwork for the new laws :P

Are these people f**king deluded ?

Feidhlim Dignan · 01-04-2010 12:32PM

they should look after all the problems in the country, and well look after the dogs like we have always done

Morlar · 01-04-2010 12:37PM

I think they are one of the more dangerous parties in Irish politics. They have a thundering mandate of less than 5% and introduce sweeping changes to things they know nothing about regardless of the consequences to Irish people.

Their political ideology is centred around their vision for planet earth in 50yrs time - nothing whatsoever to do with Irish people or any kind of contemporary or national or economic interest whatsoever. imo.

elius · 01-04-2010 12:48PM

Im going to back track on myself big-time . Its only a matter of time.

Macha · 01-04-2010 12:54PM

What are the details of the bill, does anyone know?

bunny shooter · 01-04-2010 01:12PM

pullandbang wrote: »

.........They're on about a compulsory register of all hunting dogs (or potential hunting dogs) ie. poodles, pet cockers etc. The dog must be registered, wear a collar with a photo of the dog and the owner, including phone no.???

taconnol wrote: »

What are the details of the bill, does anyone know?

Does anyone care ?

From this statement it looks like more of the same ****e we have come to expect from the Greens and their looney tune brigade :mad:

The Greens are going to make this country a laughing stock within the developed world

Macha · 01-04-2010 01:33PM

bunny shooter wrote: »

Does anyone care ?

Er..yes I'd like to know the facts before I make up my mind.

BryanL · 01-04-2010 02:04PM

They want to give rights to animals. Dog will have to be microchipped and registered. Anyone with more than 3 bitches over 18months will have to have a breeders licence and be subject to kennel inspections.

CJhaughey · 01-04-2010 02:11PM

Bring it on, who is going to be responsible for inspecting all these animals?
How can they afford to pay for all the inspectors needed?
The country is bust, they can't afford to hire anymore people.
Let them have their day in the sun because they are the walking dead come next election anyway.
Lots of laws in this country, how many are enforced?

bunny shooter · 01-04-2010 02:18PM

Lads ye'll have to be extra nice to ye're pets or they'll ring the new "Animal Line" and report ye to Green police :eek:

bunny shooter · 01-04-2010 02:19PM

taconnol wrote: »

Er..yes I'd like to know the facts before I make up my mind.

You gave that right up ......................... government think for you now :rolleyes:

Sparks · 01-04-2010 02:21PM

Is this an actual bill, or an april fool's?
I mean, I'd say april fool's immediately if it wasn't for the Greens running a live TV broadcast during Earth Hour the other day...

dicky82 · 01-04-2010 03:00PM

lads they menchined this the other night on the frontline. . .

cavan shooter · 01-04-2010 03:01PM

My dog is micro chipped
My dog is insured
My dog has a dog license
My dog has a collar
My dog has a insulated dog box
My dog has a run thats disinfected weekly
My dog has his own transport for travelling

what more do I need to do

Macha · 01-04-2010 03:35PM

cavan shooter wrote: »

what more do I need to do

Quite possibly nothing.

marlin vs · 01-04-2010 03:36PM

cavan shooter wrote: »

My dog is micro chipped
My dog is insured
My dog has a dog license
My dog has a collar
My dog sleeps in the bed with me.
My dog has a run thats disinfected weekly
My dog has his own transport for travelling

what more do I need to do

Now C.S. I fixed it for you, those greens are from a different planet, my bet is this is an April fool's joke.(I hope)

doyle61 · 01-04-2010 03:58PM

BryanL wrote: »

They want to give rights to animals. Dog will have to be microchipped and registered. Anyone with more than 3 bitches over 18months will have to have a breeders licence and be subject to kennel inspections.

i thought they said more than 5 bitches on the frontline last week?? i have three bithes and dont mind the inspections but i DO care about the €400 they were on about.
the thing im most confused about though is that most of the proposals they said on the frontline are already inforced by the IKC when you breed and regester a litter of pups at the moment. does the proposed law mean that its forcing the puppy farmers into the IKC and that they inforce the new law or what exactly are they trying to do

SeaFields · 01-04-2010 05:45PM

I heard the story this morning. Its unbelievable really but as somebody said, its the Greens - as somebody said the same crowd that did a live tv broadcast during Earthhour

Every dog that has the potential to hunt needs to be registered? eh...how many dogs don't have the potential to hunt?! I brought my mothers sh!tzu out with the spaniels one day and he chased a rabbit...he therefore has the potential to hunt?!

And meanwhile you still don't need a licence to own a horse?

Lets just hope they don't do too much damage to fieldsports in the next 2 years after which it'll be the last we hear of the Greens i'd say. :mad:

elius · 01-04-2010 11:14PM

Agreed had freinds over there the other day and went for a walk with the dogs there sh!tzu was facintaed with the pointer and followed it every where. All dogs have the potential to hunt. Greens ******* ******* ***** **** ***** ******* ***** **** w*****s

:D

doyle61 · 02-04-2010 12:37AM

it seems to be the usual green thing again!!!
good idea: try and get rid of puppy farming
bad idea: screw the whole lot up by complicating things and throwing everyone who owns a dog into the one basket.

Mountainy Jack · 02-04-2010 01:02AM

Here is the draft bill, it is at the second stage:

http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/bills/2009/7909/b7909s.pdf

If you have 6 or more bitches, of 4 months of age or greater and capable of breeding, you are classed as a "dog breeding establishment". You will be required to register your premises as a dog breeding establishment with your local authority. This will cost you, 6-12 bitches will cost €400, the sum is greater the more bitches you have.

Hunt clubs are exempt from this fee.

Where:
A “hunt club” means a hunt or game club—

(a) registered with a national hunting association that is a member of—
(i) the Hunting Association of Ireland, or
(ii) the Irish branch of the Federation of Associations for Hunting and Conservation of the European Union

and

that operates in accordance with the guidelines for kennel management issued by the Hunting Association of Ireland;

All dogs in a dog breeding establishment shall have to be electronically chipped. Any dog breeding establishment will be liable for inspection. Your estalishment will have to meet criteria for cleanliness, ventilation, food and drink etc as well as ensuring "appropriate measures are taken for the protection of dogs in case of fire or other emergency" among other things.

The latter part of the bill prescribes the fees that any dog owner is required to pay for a licence for a dog. One dog is €20 per year or €140 for its lifetime, and a general licence (for numerous dogs) is €400.

There is mention of a prescribed form for a dog licence but no description in the bill of the prescribed form. What usually happens is a bill is enacted and then an S.I follows later with the details of the prescribed forms. I did not hear the radio earlier today but I would well believe that photo id's for owner and dog would be introduced as the prescribed form, which would be unworkable and absolute madness.

It is also proposed in the bill that a database will be established with information for all dogs in the state - this is absolutely ridiculous!

I would oppose this bill vehemently. There are sufficient controls in place at the moment, if they were enforced correctly. This is just a starting point for the Greens, I believe if they get this through they will quickley start turning the screw tighter and tighter on the ordinary decent joe public like we have seen time and time before - and in particular on the hunting and shooting fraternity.

cavan shooter · 02-04-2010 11:40AM

Would they not be more appropriate for the Green party to tackle real animal welfare issues:

The amount of strays put down
The worrying of sheep by strays
The country is over ran with grey crows and magpies

or
The running off lead of animals in forest parks, the sh1t all over the footpaths

No body is tackling fly tipping which is still going on outside of urban conurbations.

the green party aren't green they have a veneer of political slime on them that appears green

cavan shooter · 02-04-2010 11:45AM

Would they not be more appropriate for the Green party to tackle real animal welfare issues:

The amount of strays put down and the owners:rolleyes:
The worrying of sheep by strays
The country is over ran with grey crows and magpies
The horses in council estates

or
The running off lead of animals in forest parks, the sh1t all over the footpaths

No body is tackling fly tipping which is still going on outside of urban conurbations.

the green party aren't green they have a veneer of political slime on them that appears green from a distance:mad:

TF there finished as apolitical party:D

SeaFields · 02-04-2010 11:54AM

Yes there are issues that the greens are blind to as they follow their twisted logic of the green agenda.

I think what i said about horses above is so true - no licence required. Right now there are about 15 horses that i can see from my kitchen off in the distance owned by an Irish ethnic minority. Several died over the winter and were left to rot and in the meantime young fellas would come up and ride the horses bareback up and down the main road. I don't see anything in the political pipeline to combat this.

I can also see my spaniel, his coat glistening in the sun, looking up at me from the back door, like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, waiting for his run this evening.

And these new laws would suggest that I need to be monitored in looking after my dog ?!! sweet jesus! :mad:

Grizzly 45 · 02-04-2010 12:33PM

Well, what can you expect when you have total fanatical crackpots like Bernie Wright being appointed the Green Animal welfare spokeswoman?
A radical who espouses and supports violent means for animal rights.EG being a founder of Irish Hunt sabetours Association??Not to mind associating with some VERY dubious chacters from the North.Kind of like putting Bin Ladin in charge of Afghan /United States freindship week.:rolleyes:
Anyways,hopefully the Irish people will finally see some cop on sooner than the next general election and shift this bunch of idiots out of power.

At this stage anything would be better than FF/Green:mad:

meathstevie · 02-04-2010 12:54PM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Well, what can you expect when you have total fanatical crackpots like Bernie Wright being appointed the Green Animal welfare spokeswoman?
A radical who espouses and supports violent means for animal rights.EG being a founder of Irish Hunt sabetours Association??Not to mind associating with some VERY dubious chacters from the North.Kind of like putting Bin Ladin in charge of Afghan /United States freindship week.:rolleyes:
Anyways,hopefully the Irish people will finally see some cop on sooner than the next general election and shift this bunch of idiots out of power.

At this stage anything would be better than FF/Green:mad:

Grizzly, I mentioned it on another thread and I can only reiterate the point here about those huntsabs. They advocate criminal activity like deliberate damaging of hunt and shoot property as strategies. People of their line of thought have made themselves guilty of for example grave desacration in the UK and arson attacks on fastfood restaurants on the continent. Given their ultimate goal of changing government policy and their advocacy of crime in order to get what they want I dare say they're not just a looney fringe. According to some definitions of the term that kind of behaviour; ie use of unlawful force and acts of sabotage for political ends or to influence political decisionmaking is called terrorism.

Folks, before anyone gets the jitters, the website www.huntsabsireland.org openly advocates the use of criminal damage as a strategy. Go look for yourself if you don't believe me.

flutered · 02-04-2010 01:04PM

the greens are similar to a muslim with an explosives belt, unfortunatly they cannot be treated as such for the time being, it looks like they will have untold damage done before they are exterminated,

in an effort to conserve energy the greens have switched off the light at the end of the tunnel.

doyle61 · 02-04-2010 05:09PM

meathstevie, just had a look at that web site and its making my blood boil. the photo on their homepage of the dog fight...........what the fcuk is their problem????? do they think that us hunters are into this kind of stuff??? Fcuking arseholes should get their dumbass heads out of their holes and realise that if hunting/shooting/fishing is banned then hey presto no wildlife left as its us that look after it.
i tackeled a local anti shooting person a few years ago when they started on me about "blood sports". one of his arguements was about the lovely ducks down at the river; what a shock he got when i informed him it was the gun club that bought, reared, fed and looked after them and then donated them to the town to enjoy.
rant over, im going to open a can to cool off:cool:

johno2 · 02-04-2010 05:44PM

doyle61 wrote: »

meathstevie, just had a look at that web site and its making my blood boil. the photo on their homepage of the dog fight...........what the fcuk is their problem????? do they think that us hunters are into this kind of stuff??? Fcuking arseholes should get their dumbass heads out of their holes and realise that if hunting/shooting/fishing is banned then hey presto no wildlife left as its us that look after it.

I don't know anything about where you're from, but I know that badger baiting is a problem around where I'm from. It's a disgusting "sport" and it's been ignored by every government since the foundation of the state. I also know that some of the individuals that are involved in this consider themselves to be hunters, and see it as being one of their rights. Unfortunately unregulated hunting can quickly lead to the tragedy of the commons, so there has to be checks and balances to ensure that doesn't happen.

I'm not trying to paint every hunter with the same brush here. I know a lot of you are responsible, and I used to hunt rabbits and ducks myself. Just like 95% of the people you'll meet on a night out are just having some fun, you'll always find a violent trouble maker every so often. We have laws to deal with those people, and we need laws to deal with the rogue hunters too.

johno

greenpeter · 02-04-2010 06:16PM

doyle61 wrote: »

meathstevie, just had a look at that web site and its making my blood boil. the photo on their homepage of the dog fight...........what the fcuk is their problem????? do they think that us hunters are into this kind of stuff??? Fcuking arseholes should get their dumbass heads out of their holes and realise that if hunting/shooting/fishing is banned then hey presto no wildlife left as its us that look after it.
i tackeled a local anti shooting person a few years ago when they started on me about "blood sports". one of his arguements was about the lovely ducks down at the river; what a shock he got when i informed him it was the gun club that bought, reared, fed and looked after them and then donated them to the town to enjoy.
rant over, im going to open a can to cool off:cool:

Had a quick look aswel and if you click in the shooting section they have one piece about a golf club a man making signs in cork and a bit about some yank who hit a child,
i mean how stuck are they for something to trough against hunters.
What a farce of a website makes my blood boil:mad:

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