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13-03-2010, 15:43   #1
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Ongoing religious scandals

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Post any stories or commentary on church scandals in this thread only. This is primarily in order to stop the antics of the catholic church clogging up the forum. Any new threads will be closed or moved here.


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No suprises here really:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle7060406.ece

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13-03-2010, 15:59   #2
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"I deeply regret that this decision led to offences against youths. I apologise to all those who were harmed.” He did not indicate whether the convicted paedophile would be allowed to continue working in the church."

Yep, same old story. They probably took out insurance against compo claims, so nothing to worry about.
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Methinks it might be time for an "RCC/Abuse" sticky.

At this stage it's just clogging up every page of the forum.
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13-03-2010, 17:23   #4
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"The repeated employment of H in pastoral duties was a serious mistake ... I deeply regret that this decision led to offences against youths. I apologise to all those who were harmed."
Interesting to chase this quote around the internet, since this German site indicates that while Gruber has said that he's taking full responsibility for the decision, it seems that Ratzinger was in on it too.
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It was decided in 1980 to give H. accommodation in a rectory so that he could receive therapy. The archbishop [now Pope Benedict XVI] took part in this decision
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Methinks it might be time for an "RCC/Abuse" sticky. At this stage it's just clogging up every page of the forum.
Done!
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15-03-2010, 05:04   #6
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The Independent writes that Cardinal Brady is being sued.
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Cardinal Sean Brady is being sued in his personal capacity by a victim of serial paedophile rapist, Fr Brendan Smyth, who is claiming the primate was one of three priests who interviewed her in 1975 about her five-year long ordeal and then failed to ensure it was reported to the civil authorities, including the gardai.

The cardinal was present at two meetings at which clergy interviewed victims of Fr Brendan Smyth in 1975. At both meetings the victims, a young woman who Smyth had abused for five years and a boy who was also abused, were made to sign oaths saying they would not discuss their meetings with anyone other than authorised clergy.After 1975, Smyth went on to abuse many more children.

Cardinal Brady is being sued in a personal capacity as well as in his role as head of the Catholic Church in Ireland by the female victim who Smyth brutalised and sexually abused between 1970 and 1975, on occasions when she was taken on church outings. She brought a case against the church in 1997 and it has been in the High Court ever since.

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The Independent writes that Cardinal Brady is being sued.
Hope they hang him out to dry.
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The head of the Catholic Church in Ireland, facing calls to resign over revelations that he did not report complaints against a paedophile priest to police, said today that he will only step down if told to by the Pope.

Catholic primate Cardinal Sean Brady defended his role at a 1975 meeting where children abused by sex offender Father Brendan Smyth were asked to take a vow of silence.

For the second day in a row, he resisted calls for his resignation and said that, while he would act differently today if faced with the same situation, he had obeyed church law at the time by reporting his findings to a bishop.

A woman who was abused by Fr Brendan Smyth as a child in the US has added her voice to calls for the Cardinal to step down.

Abuse survivor Helen McGonagle said several bodies missed the opportunity to protect children.

Colm O’Gorman, who founded child abuse support group One In Four, said Dr Brady rose through the ranks in the Catholic Church hierarchy while Smyth continued to rape and abuse children for 18 years.

Asked why he did not see it as a moral obligation to ensure the police were alerted, the Catholic primate said today: “Yes, I knew that these were crimes, but I did not feel that it was my responsibility to denounce the actions of Brendan Smyth to the police.”

He said he had helped gather evidence for the church to stop Smyth operating as a priest, and that thereafter it was the relevant bishop, plus Smyth’s religious order, who had responsibility for the case.

“Now I know with hindsight that I should have done more, but I thought at the time I was doing what I was required to do. Not just that, but most effectively, I can tell you, I acted with great urgency to get that evidence and to produce it and I believed that in doing so I was following the most effective route to have this stopped and that was my main concern and always has been – the safety of children,” he said.

Dr Brady claimed that wider society handled child abuse cases differently in the 1970s.

“There was a culture of silence about this, a culture of secrecy, that’s the way society dealt with it.”

Pressed on the calls for his resignation, he added: “I will only resign if asked by the Holy Father.”

Asked if he had reconsidered resigning as a result of criticisms made since his initial refusal to step down yesterday, he said: “Certainly not. I have heard other calls for me to stay. I have been very heartened by those calls, calls of support, to stay and to continue the work of addressing this most difficult problem.

“There are lots of calls here in Armagh, where I serve, in the form of phone calls and emails from priests and people around the country.”

The Catholic primate had previously said that bishops who were responsible for managing abuse cases, but who had failed to alert the authorities, should resign.

Today he said: “The fact is that, 35 years ago, I was not a manager, I was recording secretary with no decision-making power, and the question of my resignation... I discharged my responsibilities then, which was to collect evidence... in church investigations, to determine what action the church itself would take against Brendan Smyth. I did that, I acted.”

He said that, within three weeks, church authorities withdrew Smyth’s rights to act as a priest. The move, however, did not prevent Smyth from targeting further children.

But the Cardinal said: “I played my part, the part I had 35 years ago, as a priest recording secretary to the best of my ability. We are now judging the behaviour of 35 years ago by the standards we set today and I don’t think that is fair and it’s not applied to other sectors of society.”

The Cardinal – then a part-time secretary to the then Bishop of Kilmore, the late Bishop Francis McKiernan – took notes during two meetings with children who he believed had been abused by Smyth.

The senior churchman told BBC Radio Ulster that his actions in 1975 had been part of a process which removed the shamed cleric’s licence to act as a priest. He maintained that Smyth’s Norbertine order was otherwise responsible for him.

Smyth was at the centre of one of the first paedophile priest scandals to rock the Catholic Church in Ireland.

A seven-month delay in extraditing Smyth to the North also collapsed the Government in the Republic of Ireland in November 1994 when the Labour Party withdrew from its coalition with Fianna Fáil over claims that a warrant was withheld.

The prolific offender later admitted a litany of sex attacks on about 90 children in the North and South of Ireland over a 40-year period and was jailed - where he died in 1997.

Later, in a separate interview, Cardinal Brady said he was a school teacher at St Patrick’s College in Cavan at the time of the interviews and a “very part-time secretary” to the bishop.

Although the evidence was not given to the gardaí, the senior churchman said he felt he had carried out his duties.

“Thirty-five years ago we were in a different world. We had no guidance, we were in uncharted territory. Now we have higher standards, thankfully,” he said.

“Certainly I would not act in the same way now as I did then.

“I repeat that I was not the manager. I was not bishop then. I did act, that’s the most important thing, and acquired the evidence which allowed Bishop McKiernan to act decisively.”

The Cardinal told RTE Radio that he passed the information “to the man who had the power to act”.

“My focus was on the task I had been given, which was to assist in a canonical investigation, in other words a church investigation,” the Cardinal said.

“I felt I did my duty.

“I think it’s not fair to judge actions of 35 years ago with the standards we are following today.”

The Cardinal said there had been a culture of secrecy and silence in society regarding child abuse at the time, not just in the church.

“Now we act differently and, of course, the first thing we have to do is report to the statutory authorities. We are well aware of that, that this is a crime and that it should be reported and we are not above the law,” he said.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/b...#ixzz0iF87fHpM

He's not going to resign. TBH if there were any justice he should be imprisoned.
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“Yes, I knew that these were crimes, but I did not feel that it was my responsibility to denounce the actions of Brendan Smyth to the police.”
I cannot believe that he said that, that is shocking. It's not resignation he should be facing, it's criminal charges.
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15-03-2010, 12:50   #10
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Yes, I knew that these were crimes, but I did not feel that it was my responsibility to denounce the actions of Brendan Smyth to the police.
Even with my dim view of the church as it is and apart from the gravity of Smyth's crimes, I'm having a seriously hard time understanding how anybody, let alone somebody with enough political nous to rise almost to the very top of his chosen profession, could say something so unbelievably bloody stupid.
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I just can't work out how these people's consciences function. I'm an atheist, supposedly moral free and I'd take a child in rather than leave them in a position where they risk abuse.

How can these people, important christians who represent all their religion stands for do such unfathomably awful things without regret or remorse. How can anyone trust these people? Or consider these people their link to god or worth supporting. It just defies all logic.
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In the local shop today I noticed that this story was on the front of every paper besides some catholic one that was talking about media bias . Has anyone ever taken that amount of pressure and not resigned?

From what hes saying he thinks that hes more important than those children and he thinks that much should be obvious. I cant fathom it, he was there and he didnt come forward, his defense is that he didnt have to?!
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I'm having a seriously hard time understanding how anybody, let alone somebody with enough political nous to rise almost to the very top of his chosen profession, could say something so unbelievably bloody stupid.
That's because its hard to find an excuse for the inexcusable.
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What exactly is his position legally? Surely he could be tried for aiding and abetting or something. It has to be a crime to be fully aware of ongoing sexual abuse and not report it to the police?
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What exactly is his position legally? Surely he could be tried for aiding and abetting or something. It has to be a crime to be fully aware of ongoing sexual abuse and not report it to the police?
He has basically admitted to Perverting teh course of justice, more exactly conspiring to pervert the course of justice by being party to meetings that facilitated teh protection of a criminal.

Surely teh Guards have no excuse for not at the very least interviewing him?
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