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Bowling? It can be a right pain in the.. er stomach?

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  • 09-02-2010 6:42am
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    Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭


    Just saw this on the Irish Times web page, unbelievable, to be honest.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0209/1224264030669.html

    Security guard went too far maybe? or was he right? hardly the crime of the century!

    EDIT*
    TWO IRISHMEN are recovering from gunshot wounds in a New York hospital after being shot by a security guard in a dispute over smoking at a bowling alley.

    Gerard Hourigan from Limerick and Justin Donaghy from Navan, both age 29, were smoking indoors in a bowling alley in Queens at about 1.45am on Saturday when Michael Iavecchio (54), the bowling alley’s security guard, told them to leave.

    Mr Iavecchio then escorted them outside and a fight ensued. The guard, a retired policeman, pulled out his .380 calibre Ruger semi-automatic pistol and shot Mr Hourigan on the right side of the torso and Mr Donaghy in the stomach.

    “This has been an enormous trauma,” said a young American woman who identified herself as Mr Hourigan’s wife. She was reached by telephone at the Elmhurst Hospital in Queens, where the two men are recovering.

    A police spokeswoman said the Irishmen will be arrested and arraigned by a local judge on charges of menacing as soon as they are released from hospital. She said their punishment will be up to the court. Their lives are not in danger.

    “They’re charged with a misdemeanour, not a crime,” said James Patrick Delaney, the Irishmen’s lawyer. “They had no weapon and they didn’t cause any injury. They both have clean records in Ireland and the US. They are both married to American girls. They’re hard-working and they’re both here legally. Their families have come over from Ireland since the incident.” Mr Delaney says he owns pubs in New York and Dublin and that smoking “is not an issue. I’ve never seen anybody get in a fight about it.” The AMF 34th Avenue Lanes bowling alley in Jackson Heights, Queens, is described by the New York Times as being located on “a desolate commercial strip just south of Northern Boulevard”. It has 35 lanes, billiard tables and a snack bar and was described in the New York Daily News as “family-oriented”.

    Mr Iavecchio was a policeman for 18 years before retiring in 1999. He had an unrestricted licence to carry a concealed weapon. His last posting was in the prison ward of the Kings County Hospital Centre. He has been charged with two counts of second-degree assault. The police spokeswoman said Mr Iavecchio was detained by police who went to the scene of the shooting, but she did not know if he was still being held.

    The altercation between Mr Iavecchio and the two Irishmen was recorded by a surveillance camera


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭monosharp


    </inevitiable comment> smoking kills :pac: </I'll leave now>


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    monosharp wrote: »
    </inevitiable comment> smoking kills :pac: </I'll leave now>

    You know, I was here earlier, nobody had replied. It's 5:45 in the morning, I have a good chance to get in the first reply and why don't I make a funny post I thought to myself. Then it occured to me, I had this chance many times before, let somebody else have a shot. Right now i'm not sure if I made the right choice or not... :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    You know, I was here earlier, nobody had replied. It's 5:45 in the morning, I have a good chance to get in the first reply and why don't I make a funny post I thought to myself. Then it occured to me, I had this chance many times before, let somebody else have a shot. Right now i'm not sure if I made the right choice or not... :P
    it was a bad choice to be honest. Had a look in here a few minutes ago and decided that the generic (i cant think of anything to say) post just made me tut and click new posts a few times.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    seanybiker wrote: »
    it was a bad choice to be honest. Had a look in here a few minutes ago and decided that the generic (i cant think of anything to say) post just made me tut and click new posts a few times.

    Was thinking that, but I doubt I would have done any better :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,806 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Two late 20s Irishmen in their prime (I assume they knew how to handle themselves fair decently) Start fighting with a Retired Mid 50s Security guard?

    Yeah I'd have pulled the revolver on them too. I doubt he was carrying anything else he could have used to defend himself with - besides his shoes.

    Without seeing the tape though its hard to say how the play by play went. I'd be interested to watch though o_0

    edit: the NYT divulges more
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/nyregion/07shoot.html
    A retired New York City correction captain working security at a Queens bowling alley shot and wounded two men during a violent confrontation early Saturday morning outside the alley, the authorities said.

    The retired officer, Michael Iavecchio, 54, was charged with two counts of second-degree assault after the 1:50 a.m. shooting outside the AMF 34th Avenue Lanes, at 6910 34th Avenue in Jackson Heights, the police said.

    The two wounded men, both 29, were in stable condition at Elmhurst Hospital Center in Queens on Saturday, the police said. The police did not identify them.

    The violence unfolded after Mr. Iavecchio, who was armed, asked the men to leave because they were smoking cigarettes in a vestibule, according to the police. Mr. Iavecchio then escorted the men outside, where the ensuing fight and shooting were captured on a surveillance video, a law enforcement official said.

    According to the official, words were exchanged and the two men “put their hands” on Mr. Iavecchio. He pulled out a .380-caliber Ruger pistol, but the men “go back at him and he shoots,” the official said.

    Mr. Iavecchio fired two shots; one bullet hit one of the men in the chest and the other hit the second man in the stomach, the police said.

    The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was still open, said that detectives were conferring with prosecutors from Queens County, and that it was unclear whether the two wounded men would also be charged with a crime. Detectives at the 115th Precinct station house were reviewing the video. The official added that Mr. Iavecchio had an active and unrestricted license to carry a concealed weapon.

    “So his permit is valid,” the official said.

    A woman who answered the telephone at the bowling alley on Saturday declined to comment.

    “I don’t want to answer any questions,” she said. “I’d rather let my boss deal with that.”

    Matthew Carroll, a manager at the bowling alley, referred questions to corporate officials in Virginia, but several calls to those offices were not returned.

    The bowling alley is on a desolate commercial strip just south of Northern Boulevard. It has 35 lanes for bowling, as well as billiard tables and a snack bar.

    On Saturday afternoon, about half the lanes were occupied with youth bowling teams and families and friends bowling together. One worker said that uniformed police officers had been in the alley on Saturday morning.

    “We feel very safe, very secure here,” said Lorna Rainey, who came to the bowling alley on Saturday to see her daughter’s bowling coach. “It’s a great, all-American sport, and it’s a good place for kids to play it.”

    Stephen J. Morello, a spokesman for the Department of Correction, said that Mr. Iavecchio retired on July 19, 1999, after an 18-year career.

    “He retired voluntarily,” Mr. Morello said.

    Mr. Iavecchio held the rank of captain when he retired, and his last assignment was working in the Kings County Hospital Center prison ward, Mr. Morello said. Further details about Mr. Iavecchio’s work history were not immediately available, he added.
    Obviously the investigation would say for sure but at the moment it sounds as though they grabbed him; he pulled the gun; they backed up; he warned them off; they chose to attack him anyway; then he shot in defense.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭Pdfile


    retired police officer so he is...


    but why a ruger... i thought even with his age they all had Glocks...


    OT: meh, they got pissy and hissy with him, he pulled the gun, they'll moan b1tch and complain, the gaurd will get sacked and they'll have a bit of swagger with the birds now " oh yeah, did you see my gun wound, got it when fighting chuck norris, Ghandi, the wu tang clan and hitler all at the same time while given birth. "


    the two lads sound like muppets anyways. Nobody smokes indoors these days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    Pdfile wrote: »
    Nobody smokes indoors these days.

    Yeah, you would think that alright.

    *sparks up smoke..... ah, breakfast*

    :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Pdfile wrote: »
    retired police officer so he is...


    but why a ruger... i thought even with his age they all had Glocks...
    .

    Nah, even older detectives and whatnot in NYC get to keep their .38's.

    Just look at Lenny Briscoe! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭Pdfile


    Nah, even older detectives and whatnot in NYC get to keep their .38's.

    Just look at Lenny Briscoe! :D


    Charles bronson i think you be thinkin about

    wait... he had a Wildey .475

    http://forum.pafoa.org/imagehosting/2515483bf264bc144.jpg

    Nvm :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    Overheal wrote: »
    Two late 20s Irishmen in their prime (I assume they knew how to handle themselves fair decently) Start fighting with a Retired Mid 50s Security guard?

    Yeah I'd have pulled the revolver on them too. I doubt he was carrying anything else he could have used to defend himself with - besides his shoes.

    Without seeing the tape though its hard to say how the play by play went. I'd be interested to watch though o_0

    edit: the NYT divulges more
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/nyregion/07shoot.html
    Obviously the investigation would say for sure but at the moment it sounds as though they grabbed him; he pulled the gun; they backed up; he warned them off; they chose to attack him anyway; then he shot in defense.

    +1 But they are Irish and were prob pissed and incapable of fighting....Oh wait....Lawless Ireland TV3 comes to me. Yes I would love to see the tape.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭DamoDLK


    Overheal wrote: »
    ...Yeah I'd have pulled the revolver on them too. I doubt he was carrying anything else he could have used to defend himself with - besides his shoes...

    Agreed but shooting them was excessive, if the security guard had used mace, it could have had the same effect but less force.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    DamoDLK wrote: »
    Agreed but shooting them was excessive, if the security guard had used mace, it could have had the same effect but less force.

    He didnt have mace........


  • Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭chakotha


    Two torso shots. And they were unarmed. The guy's a looper.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    chakotha wrote: »
    Two torso shots. And they were unarmed. The guy's a looper.

    I agree. If they were drunk he could have easily overpowered them. A punch in the jaw or a push to the chest is normally enough to down a guy who's intoxicated. Also what do they train bowling alley security guards to expect? I would imagine they are trained to expect trouble from punk kids harassing girls and staff, and also to expect the normal trouble that comes from those who have consumed too much alcohol...you know, the kind of trouble a barman or bouncer can expect. That being the case why is this fool carrying a concealed firearm? And a fairly deadly .38 calibre one at that? It's not like he's a bank security guard, or someone's bodyguard or anything. The most he can expect is rowdiness. A can of mace and a few wrestling moves are all this guy should be armed with. Maybe a night-stick for the really agressive punters. This guy could have killed these two men and made widows of their wives purely out of his own trigger-happy sense of machismo. Worse still he could have paralysed them, ruining two young men's lives and consigning their wives to a lifetime of caring for their crippled husbands.
    Don't get me wrong, these two lads were probably acting the bollox, what with refusing to stop smoking inside, being drunk and harassing the guard when they were ejected, etc. Maybe they are a pair of **** in general but even so this guard shot them because he wanted to, not because his life was in danger.
    There are probably a dozen ways this fool could have dealt with this situation without resorting to drawing a friggin gun and shooting them.

    I hope the company he works for has some serious indemnity insurance. He has already been charged with two counts of assault. No matter how that plays out the civil suit that follows should see both the bowling alley and the security company digging deep into their pockets to pay compensation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭DamoDLK


    He didnt have mace........

    Ah yeah I know! but do you not think that mace would have been more suiting to a security guard job in a bowling alley than a gun!?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    If they were drunk he could have easily overpowered them

    Is there some kind of special school of stupid statements that people go to nowadays? Jesus wept


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Another thing that doesn't smell right about this. Iavecchio was a prison officer which is a fairly well paid gig what with overtime etc. Not the most glamourous of jobs, after all, who would sentence THEMSELVES to a lifetime in prison?? ... but the pay and benefits are decent enough. Now apparently this Iavecchio guy resigned voluntarily after 18 years. He didn't wait to get his twenty year pension....he quit to go into the exciting world of bowling alley security which probably pays $9 per hour.
    Could it be that he was given the opportunity to peacefully resign as a result of some of his actions? Did he have a mean and sadistic streak that the department of corrections thought might be a ticking time bomb?

    It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Bambi wrote: »
    Is there some kind of special school of stupid statements that people go to nowadays? Jesus wept

    Ah yes, another condescending little troll wandering the halls of cyberspace clipping various statements and adding his/her snide remark like a dog rambling from tree to tree cocking a leg and adding a few little droplets of piss.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    When Inspector Harry Callahan asks you to stop smoking, you goddamn stop smoking punk!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭Dr_Teeth


    Ah yes, another condescending little troll wandering the halls of cyberspace clipping various statements and adding his/her snide remark like a dog rambling from tree to tree cocking a leg and adding a few little droplets of piss.

    From your Join Date and attitude, I'd say this is a new account to get around a ban. Good luck with that.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    Hold on he was from Limerick- was probably his gun.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    This pair of tramps started a fight with a member of staff because he was doing his job stopping them from smoking.
    One of the brothers said "Gerard is a grand, pleasant lad, who would never cause harm to anyone. This seems to be a very isolated incident with Gerard in the wrong place at the wrong time."

    He was smoking against the law in a public building how is this the wrong place at the wrong time?

    With a bit of luck the yanks will kick both of them out as a example to all the "Paddys" in Woodlawn.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,187 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    Hold on he was from Limerick- was probably his gun.

    They had to pin it on something...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    Ah yes, another condescending little troll wandering the halls of cyberspace clipping various statements and adding his/her snide remark like a dog rambling from tree to tree cocking a leg and adding a few little droplets of piss.

    In fairness it was an odd comment. If they were absolutely hammered then yes it would have been easy to overpower them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    OVER THE LINE!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    A can of mace and a few wrestling moves are all this guy should be armed with. Maybe a night-stick for the really agressive punters.


    The funny thing about this is your probably serious!.

    Two attackers -V- one man with a gun is pretty even odd's I'd say, and fair play to the guy for having the balls to squeeze off a few.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    They had to pin it on something...

    It's hard to believe the guard went so spare.
    Not a permanent employee I reckon, I'd say he was just ten Pin.
    Anyway, in solidarity the whole bowling alley is on strike until this mess gets sorted out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Strike and a double.... nice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    DamoDLK wrote: »
    Mr Iavecchio was a policeman for 18 years before retiring in 1999. He had an unrestricted licence to carry a concealed weapon. His last posting was in the prison ward of the Kings County Hospital Centre. He has been charged with two counts of second-degree assault. The police spokeswoman said Mr Iavecchio was detained by police who went to the scene of the shooting, but she did not know if he was still being held.
    but the pay and benefits are decent enough. Now apparently this Iavecchio guy resigned voluntarily after 18 years. He didn't wait to get his twenty year pension....he quit to go into the exciting world of bowling alley security which probably pays $9 per hour.
    Sounds like he left before he got fired...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    I highly doubt the irish lads were threatening the guys life ffs.
    Doubtless an ameriacan court won't see it that way tho.


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