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04-10-2009, 15:36   #1
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Sagem IDT81-SD picnic box

Currys currently selling the sagem picnic box for 19.99 GBP. The box was originally design for sky picnic via uk freeview but the service was never launched.
The box is able to handle mpeg4 SD. Did someone test this box?
There are first reports about irish DTT is working with that receiver.
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The box is able to handle mpeg4 SD. Did someone test this box?
There are first reports about irish DTT is working with that receiver.
Apparently so. It can't do true HD as it only has scart outputs. I've ordered one, but they don't appear to be able to purchase in store any more, just online.

Probably because there were only a limited number ever produced.

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This is indeed confirmed at Caernarvon in North Wales, NB its an MPEG4 SD box only. The forthcoming BT Vision T2 box will do it as well as MPEG4 DVB-T1 TVs and future T2 boxes. The aerial used was apparently a 12 element high gain wideband Yagi receiving both Three Rock and Kippure satisfactorily. See the ds technical thread on terrestrial Freeview.
This means West Wales will have reciprocal reception to that in SE Ireland.
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...1129716&page=3

Post number 63. It works, think i'll give Currys in Newry a call in the morning and check it out!!
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Post number 63. It works, think i'll give Currys in Newry a call in the morning and check it out!!
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1135424
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Done an online search there now, Currys in Newry and Craigavon have them in stock in store. I'm going to try to get down at some stage tomorrow and buy one to test it out, if not it will be Wed morning, I'll post up my results as soon as I get it up and running.

Good find maxg and thanks for the info mrdtv
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That's an interesting report on DS. Haven't had a whisper of the DTT from Kippure in ages (Portaferry), though Three Rock is still coming and going, depending on the conditions.
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Got this STB delivered this morning. Can confirm that it can receive & display the RTÉNL multiplex MPEG4 Video very well. Specifications in the manual state that it can do MPEG2 & MPEG4 AVC video albeit only for SD. Audio Can be MPEG2 Layer I or II, with AC3, MPEG4 AAC Levels 2 & 4 for multi channel (5.1) audio.

If I can I'll try and get a video demonstrating its output later. One interesting thing I found was that if you press the text button for RTÉ1 & 2, the MHEG text will appear while pressing text for TG4 will bring up their standard WST (analogue) teletext pages.

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Got this STB delivered this morning. Can confirm that it can receive & display the RTÉNL multiplex MPEG4 Video very well. Specifications in the manual state that it can do MPEG2 & MPEG4 AVC video albeit only for SD. Audio Can be MPEG2 Layer I or II, with AC3, MPEG4 AAC Levels 2 & 4 for multi channel (5.1) audio.

If I can I'll try and get a video demonstrating its output later. One interesting thing I found was that if you press the text button for RTÉ1 & 2, the MHEG text will appear while pressing text for TG4 will bring up their standard WST (analogue) teletext pages.
Thats because there is no MHEG5 text in test for TG4 - if you can get it on RTE1 and RTE2 it works fine. Makes this box a steal as its fully compliant with Irish spec (for SD)
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Thats because there is no MHEG5 text in test for TG4 - if you can get it on RTE1 and RTE2 it works fine. Makes this box a steal as its fully compliant with Irish spec (for SD)
Thought as much, but the thing that surprises me is that most STB's in the UK won't decode WST teletext either on the STB itself or through recombination with the picture on an analogue output - not that any is broadcast in the UK which would make it fairly pointless.
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Got 2 of the Sagem Picnic STBs there now, got the same results as Lawhec.

RTE1 & RTE2 coming in fine and with MHEG5 teletext.
TV3 on test bars
TG4 coming in fine but with regular teletext.

Three Rock Mux CH54:
800 - TG4
801 - TV3
802 - RTE2
803 - RTE1

Kippure Mux CH61:
800 - RTE1
801 - RTE2
802 - TV3
803 - TG4

Regardless of the muddled up numbers (I'd assume this a RTENL test problem) this is an absolute steal for £19.99stg. For anyone who is able to receive both Freeview and RTE DTT its an even bigger steal!
I wonder how many of these Sagem manufactured, I done a quick search there now and found no answers. They're obviously priced to sell off quickly so I might take another run down and buy a few more.

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Got 2 of the Sagem Picnic STBs there now, got the same results as Lawhec.

RTE1 & RTE2 coming in fine and with MHEG5 teletext.
TV3 on test bars
TG4 coming in fine but with regular teletext.

Three Rock Mux CH54:
800 - TG4
801 - TV3
802 - RTE2
803 - RTE1

Kippure Mux CH61:
800 - RTE1
801 - RTE2
802 - TV3
803 - TG4

Regardless of the muddled up numbers (I'd assume this a RTENL test problem) this is an absolute steal for £19.99stg. For anyone who is able to receive both Freeview and RTE DTT its an even bigger steal!
I wonder how many of these Sagem manufactured, I done a quick search there now and found no answers. They're obviously priced to sell off quickly so I might take another run down and buy a few more.
800-803 is perfectly normal. RTENL set these numbers.

Yes a steal at 19.99. Closest boxes to this price are at least 60 eur more and these have no MHEG5.
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800-803 is perfectly normal. RTENL set these numbers.

Yes a steal at 19.99. Closest boxes to this price are at least 60 eur more and these have no MHEG5.
Sorry, did'nt make myself clear, I know its normal having the station numbers in the 800's. I should've said the stations are going backwards on the Three Rock Mux eg: RTE1 is 803 where as its 800 from Kippure. Regardless as you said, a steal, wonder how long they'll be on sale for!!
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Sorry, did'nt make myself clear, I know its normal having the station numbers in the 800's. I should've said the stations are going backwards on the Three Rock Mux eg: RTE1 is 803 where as its 800 from Kippure. Regardless as you said, a steal, wonder how long they'll be on sale for!!
It is believed 100-200k of these units were manufactured for Sky Picnic and are now being sold off as Picnic has been delayed by Ofcom. After the UK election should Mr M's friend win Ofcom is to be axed in its present format and, as a present for supporting him, I would not be surprised if Picnic was given the goahead. This is a nice little Trojan Horse for Irish DTT as Mr M could flood the market with these cheapo boxes (they're OK I have used them...) as they have NDS Videoguard as the embedded CA. A cute move?
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....and if Irish DTT boxes have Videoguard as standard (completely accidentally) I can see a commercial dtt play in future.
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