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Tractor driver banned for one year for holding up traffic

  • 11-02-2009 11:03AM
    #1
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭


    This could set an interesting precedent:
    AN "ARROGANT" farmer who held up a convoy of 20 cars as he drove his tractor home from a cattle mart has been banned for driving for one year.

    In what could be an historic prosecution, the farmer, who was called "arrogant and individualistic" by a District Court judge, was told: "You don't have the right to force other people to drive at 15 miles per hour."

    Full article here: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/road-ban-for-tractor-traffic-jam-farmer-1635180.html


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  • #2
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Woo hoo!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ


    However, cue posts complaining about someone driving at 80km/h in a 100km/h zone!


  • #3
    voxpop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭voxpop


    About time!

    I heard some old bat on newstalk defending the farmer by first saying that it is too dangerous to pull in and then blaming the cars behind for not overtaking :rolleyes:


  • #4
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Not only was he being arrogant, but driving like that is as dangerous, if not more dangerous than driving above the speed limit.

    Delighted for him. Sure dont you know he'll still be drivin around the roads in his 93 Izuzu Trooper covered in cow sh*t with is cap on and one arm out the window....:rolleyes:


  • #5
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Mena


    voxpop wrote: »
    About time!

    I heard some old bat on newstalk defending the farmer by first saying that it is too dangerous to pull in and then blaming the cars behind for not overtaking :rolleyes:

    Heard the same thing, couldn't believe her attitude. As mentioned above, it's high time something was done about this sort of carry-on.


  • #6
    niceirishfella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    Guys hauling Diggers/Dumpers with JCB Fasttracs are just as bad eventhough they have 40k gear boxes. No good if you can't get round them on back rounds and the funkers never seem to pull in.


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  • #7
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,806 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yeah heard that 'aul one too on newstalk :rolleyes:

    A Garda formed the opinion that the farmer could have easily pulled in on several occasions. The farmer didn't pull in and the Garda fined him for undue consideration to other road users. The farmer refused to pay the fine, let it go to court and acted the arrogant pr!ck in front of the judge. That obviously made the judge feel particularly unsympathetic towards the farmer so he slapped him with the ban

    Lesson learned for all the farmers out there. And I hasten to add that my experience is that most of them are considerate and do pull in when they can do so safely...

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  • #8
    BnA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 616 ✭✭✭BnA


    I think that's shocking. He's on the road driving as fast as the Tractor can go.

    If he was only doing 15 miles an hour then it would have been p1ss easy to get past him. IMO, it was the gobdaws who were sitting in behind him that should be banned.

    I doubt very much that the ban will be held up on appeal.


  • #9
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,643 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Does that mean we can now flash and beep every tractor off the road whenever we encounter one

    :D:D:D


  • #10
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,643 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    BnA wrote: »
    If he was only doing 15 miles an hour then it would have been p1ss easy to get past him. IMO, it was the gobdaws who were sitting in behind him that should be banned.

    Were you there, do you know the road conditions and oncoming traffic conditions:confused:

    You can't expect people to overtake dangerously or unsighted just for the sake of it.


  • #11
    seanybiker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    BnA wrote: »
    I think that's shocking. He's on the road driving as fast as the Tractor can go.

    If he was only doing 15 miles an hour then it would have been p1ss easy to get past him. IMO, it was the gobdaws who were sitting in behind him that should be banned.

    I doubt very much that the ban will be held up on appeal.
    +1


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  • #12
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    BnA wrote: »
    I think that's shocking. He's on the road driving as fast as the Tractor can go.

    If he was only doing 15 miles an hour then it would have been p1ss easy to get past him. IMO, it was the gobdaws who were sitting in behind him that should be banned.

    I doubt very much that the ban will be held up on appeal.

    What happens if it was on a windy road, where it was possible to do more than 15mph in a car, but not possible to overtake due to blind corners etc?

    Driving at the speed, with a convoy of cars behind you will only encourage someone to try and overtake dangerously and possibly cause and accident.

    I think he deserves it. If someone is stuck behind me, i always pull in to let them by, rather than risking them stuck up my hole trying to overtake me.

    Common sense - something which this fella obviously had none of.


  • #13
    Zube
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭Zube


    Drummerboy08 wrote: »
    Common sense - something which this fella obviously had none of.

    Common sense also says don't stand up and act the mickey in court: judges don't take kindly to it.


  • #14
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Zube wrote: »
    Common sense also says don't stand up and act the mickey in court: judges don't take kindly to it.


    + 1 on that one.


  • #15
    pburns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭pburns


    BnA wrote: »
    I think that's shocking. He's on the road driving as fast as the Tractor can go.

    If he was only doing 15 miles an hour then it would have been p1ss easy to get past him. IMO, it was the gobdaws who were sitting in behind him that should be banned.

    I doubt very much that the ban will be held up on appeal.

    That's culchie bullcrap.

    I'm from a farming background and applaud this guy being sanctioned. I remember a few years ago being held up for MILES behind a tractor on the way back from Galway. The roads and volume of traffic in opposite direction meant it took ages for each car in the queue to find safe space to overtake.


  • #16
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Best thing I've heard on the news today, more commen sense coppering please!


  • #17
    BnA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 616 ✭✭✭BnA


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    Were you there, do you know the road conditions and oncoming traffic conditions:confused:

    You can't expect people to overtake dangerously or unsighted just for the sake of it.
    No I wasn't there, were you...?

    If it was a narrow windy road, I find it very difficult to believe that he passed 6 places where it was genuinely possible to pull in a tractor pulling a cattle trailer.

    Remember, he did actually pull in, when he found a suitable spot. So he was actually looking out for somewhere to pull in.

    To me, it sounds like the Guard was being the arrogant twat, not the farmer.

    On a side note, maybe he should get one of these,,,,,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lmE17Dg23w


  • #18
    maidhc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,804 ✭✭✭maidhc


    pburns wrote: »
    I'm from a farming background and applaud this guy being sanctioned. I remember a few years ago being held up for MILES behind a tractor on the way back from Galway. The roads and volume of traffic in opposite direction meant it took ages for each car in the queue to find safe space to overtake.

    I regularly drive a tractor on the road and agree with you. There are too many arrogant, ignorant, and plain thick tractor drivers out there, especially during the silage season when every 16yo in the countryside gets behind the wheel of a €100,000, 10 ton (unladen) projectile.


  • #19
    BnA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 616 ✭✭✭BnA


    pburns wrote: »
    That's culchie bullcrap.

    I'm from a farming background and applaud this guy being sanctioned. I remember a few years ago being held up for MILES behind a tractor on the way back from Galway. The roads and volume of traffic in opposite direction meant it took ages for each car in the queue to find safe space to overtake.
    What did you expect the tractor driver to do ?

    He's not allowed drive in the hard shoulder.


  • #20
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    BnA wrote: »
    No I wasn't there, were you...?

    If it was a narrow windy road, I find it very difficult to believe that he passed 6 places where it was genuinely possible to pull in a tractor pulling a cattle trailer.

    Remember, he did actually pull in, when he found a suitable spot. So he was actually looking out for somewhere to pull in.

    To me, it sounds like the Guard was being the arrogant twat, not the farmer.

    On a side note, maybe he should get one of these,,,,,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lmE17Dg23w

    But why would a Guard risk his career to testify in court that the farmer had passed six suitable spots to pull in?

    He probably only pulled in after the guards used blues and sirens.


  • #21
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Mena


    BnA wrote: »
    If it was a narrow windy road, I find it very difficult to believe that he passed 6 places where it was genuinely possible to pull in a tractor pulling a cattle trailer.

    You may find it hard to believe, but the Garda gave the evidence and the court believed said evidence. Is it your position that the court was lied to and as such the Garda committed perjury?


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  • #22
    Cionád
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,003 ✭✭✭Cionád


    BnA wrote: »
    What did you expect the tractor driver to do ?

    He's not allowed drive in the hard shoulder.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58108838&postcount=12


  • #23
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    BnA wrote: »
    What did you expect the tractor driver to do ?

    He's not allowed drive in the hard shoulder.
    YES HE CAN
    Christ - would people stop making it all up as they go along!


  • #24
    vantasic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭vantasic


    bet the guard was a c*** anyway, they all are...



    ..I hope one reads this........c***.......


  • #25
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Mena


    vantasic wrote: »
    bet the guard was a c*** anyway, they all are...



    ..I hope one reads this........c***.......

    Until you need one...

    He was doing his job, rightly so, no cause for gross generalisations.


  • #26
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    vantasic wrote: »
    bet the guard was a c*** anyway, they all are...



    ..I hope one reads this........c***.......

    Thats a nice attitude you've got yourself there.


  • #27
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    vantasic wrote: »
    bet the guard was a c*** anyway, they all are...



    ..I hope one reads this........c***.......
    Goodbye!
    Banned for trolling!
    If you ever wish to use the motors forums again then PM me and maybe I'll reconsider!


  • #28
    Tipsy Mac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Tipsy Mac


    BnA wrote: »
    What did you expect the tractor driver to do ?

    He's not allowed drive in the hard shoulder.

    +1
    If he was on a motorway and doing that speed theres a law against it. I was under the impression you could drive as slow as you wanted on any road besides a motorway. Whats next a hearse getting pulled over for going too slow.


  • #29
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Yay, Judge Devins I salute you.


  • #30
    BnA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 616 ✭✭✭BnA


    Mena wrote: »
    You may find it hard to believe, but the Garda gave the evidence and the court believed said evidence. Is it your position that the court was lied to and as such the Garda committed perjury?
    That's a fair point.

    But I still find it very hard to believe that on a road there were 6 possible places for a tractor and trailer to pull in but there wasn't one place suitable for a car to pass out a tractor doing 15mph. I think the cars that were behind him have to answer for it too.

    And even if, and it's a big if, he did pass 6 places to pull in and there was no available chance for any of the cars behind him to pull out, then one year off the road is way over the top.

    He didn't break any specific rule of the road. I know driving with undue car and attention was probably used, but this is very grey. Where do you draw the line with this. What about an aul' granny scutterin' along at 30mph. Should she get a year off the road ? What about a Learner dirver who holds everyone up for 2 minutes at a round about while they grip the wheel in a fit of terror. What should they get.... 2 years ?


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  • #31
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Tipsy Mac wrote: »
    +1
    If he was on a motorway and doing that speed theres a law against it. I was under the impression you could drive as slow as you wanted on any road besides a motorway

    Driving too slow can be considered a hazard.
    Whats next a hearse getting pulled over for going too slow

    That I'd like to see frankly, sounds harsh but Irish roads are not like 30 years ago (obviously!), a funeral march along an N route is madness and yet still happens.


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