World Cup Night - Meydan

I'm really looking forward to the Dubai Sheema Classic, St Nicholas Abbey taking on Cirrus Des Aigles, with Treasure Beach probably being used to give St Nick a lead to the line. IMO Cirrus Des Aigles is over-rated, his win in the Champion Stakes at Ascot was one of the most over-rated performances I have ever seen. I don't think he deserved to be the third top rated horse in the world last year.

If he was as good as they rated him, he'd take on So You Think and co over his proper trip of 10f instead of going for this 12f.

newuser89 wrote: »

I think treasure beach was sold
50 percent of him is owned by fame and glorys owners I think it is
So doubt he's just a pacemaker

Cape Blanco was in the same ownership last year and was used as a pacemaker for Canford Cliffs in the Queen Anne Stakes at Ascot. It caused a lot of consternation at the time, people were up in Arms about running a Derby winner as a pacemaker. It did him no harm as he went on to win three GP1s in North America afterwards.

Treasure Beach seemed to be used as pacemaker for Seville in the Grand Prix De Paris and definitely was for So You Think and St Nicholas Abbey in the Arc. William Haggis has the unbeaten Beaten Up in the race, an interesting horse but I reckon he'll be beaten up by these superstars.

newuser89 wrote: »

They only bought a share in treasure beach in the last few weeks
That's why I taught he wouldn't be pacemaker
Why buy a horse to be a pacemaker in one of the biggest races in the world when he is capable of competing

They've a strange arrangement with Coolmore, it's a partnership. Treasure Beach on a good day is capable of winning this on his own, he's a very good horse but Coolmore have team tactics and if they think that St Nick is their number one horse in the race, they'll use Treasure Beach to set the race up for him.

It's just my opinion, like everyone else I get it wrong most of the time.

As far as I know Fitri Hay is a new partner at coolmore.They the Hays [from Scotland]have made their hugh wealth from designing a cleaner for crude oil.Im quite sure that any condition of entry to this partnership is driven by John Magnier and if Treasure Beach is required not to run on his merits but to run for another horse thats exactly what will happen.

I think you can make each race an eight horse race for betting purposes (1 to 8)in big fields.Why did the owners of Maydan spend billions designing this place and yet have a track with such a low bias.I will start with the World Cup and my two in the field are the filly Royal Delta and Eishin Flash.RD won two group 1s in 2011 and will stay every inch as will EF who comes from Japan and he won a very hot Jap derby,both are fast finishers.Will the course suit So You Think as he is a monster and loves big courses. The Sheema Classic is some race and a case can be made for most of them.The two i like are St Nicholas Abbey and Beaten Up.I dont think Treasure Beach will like the firm going and could be a pace maker.St Nic needed the run before when he had time off but is the highest rated. Cirris Des Aigles has beaten So You Think in the past but again I think this gelding prefers softer ground.Beaten Up has improved 21 lbs from his last run so is improving big time and will love the ground.I have never backed with my heart but I have backed Daddy Long Legs as I won a few bob on him last year,(oh why did he not go into the stalls first time out at Leo at 16/1.)

the Await/Nick/SYT treble pays 90/1.. has to be worht a min bet just in case...

I'm thinking So you Think has to be a lay at 6/4. He's found one too good a few times too many for me

Thanks Nulty, had a very close look at Montorosso after your OP and went e/w on him. Delighted!

Daddy Long Legs brilliant. Cannot work out the ride St Nicholas Abbey got,Didnt take long for the excuses for So You Think[didnt act on the surface].11/8 my god there are some very stupid people out there.

Huntley wrote: »

I watched this race and there was nothing wrong with it. His draw meant he had to wait it out until the gap appeared, and when it did he went for it not giving up lengths by going around the outside.

What do you think the jockey should have done differently?

Nothing the jockey could do. Rode his horse perfectly and gave him every chance. Just found one better today.

RichieLawlor wrote: »

When the race was so obviosly turning into a sprint from a mile out he let a confirmed speed horse and suspect stayer get 1st run on him. A more experienced jock would have gone for home and probably nicked it finished fourth

FYP

RichieLawlor wrote: »

I didnt back SNA, but your clueless, he was closing all the way to the line. He got a terrible ride. Thats my point.

Yes, I don't agree with you, therefore I'm clueless. Lucky for you you didn't back him, you have enough trouble figuring out what's going on after a race, nevermind beforehand.

Great racing today from Meydan, very enjoyable. Agreed about So You Think, where did 11/8 come from?? :eek:

RichieLawlor wrote: »

It would have defo been a better option, but it was a slow pace from early so he had plenty of time but he let the race unfold against him. A more experianced jock wouldnt have. SNA has won over further and he got outsprinted. Thats jockey error

No, that's racing. Do you think horses have Stop and Go buttons? A gearbox? Classic punter mistake: "he did it before so why not again??"

The jockey rode his horse perfectly and got beat by a horse who raced better than him on the day - by a head. End of story. Not every beaten favourite needs a 'bad ride' story... and this is one of them.