Kilkenny GAA Discussion Thread Mod Warning Post # 5885 #4894 & #5202

donnem33 · 27-02-2015 3:46pm

droppingball wrote: »

I was very skeptical about Murphy at full as I thought the way he attacks the ball would go against him but he has settled in fairly well. There will be moments like when he attacked the ball last Sunday where Rushe slipped in behind and Murphy was at full throttle and he just made sure the ball hit his body and he blocked it as Rushe was in on goal otherwise. The advantage of him at corner was that he was the springboard for a lot of attacks and he covered a lot of breaking ball that JJ used to flick away or that broke from the half back line.

Cody would probably like a presence at corner back who will be able to hold his own physically which may go against Kennedy but as someone else posted he hurled really well on Joe Canning in the league last year. I even remember Kennedy giving him plenty of it off the ball early on which was great to see.

Cody may try Joey Holden at full or corner when he comes back but I'm not sure he would make it at full back at inter county. Willie Phelan and Michael Walsh must be down the pecking order as well. I hope that Padraig Walsh is given plenty of time to bed in at half back as I think this is where he plays best.

Two things from your post:
1) I cant believe you are condoning players belting each other off the ball - yes i do realise probable both were at it - but you're the complementing him on it - it has no place in the game!!!!

2) That was Joe's first game back after the club all ireland and he had picked up an injury in the game - he wasnt fit for the kk match and shouldnt have been playing!!!

From an outsiders perspective I think Kennedy has great potential. hes two sided, good physique and good pace and touch - all thats required for a good hurler!! hes very young and it takes time to adjust to senior intercounty!! remember in 2001 galway played kilkenny in the semi final and a certain JJ Delaney got absolutely destroyed corner back..one bad match didnt do him any harm and he didnt turn out to be a bad hurler after

dastardly00 · 27-02-2015 4:02pm

donnem33 wrote: »

Two things from your post:
1) I cant believe you are condoning players belting each other off the ball - yes i do realise probable both were at it - but you're the complementing him on it - it has no place in the game!!!!

2) That was Joe's first game back after the club all ireland and he had picked up an injury in the game - he wasnt fit for the kk match and shouldnt have been playing!!!

From an outsiders perspective I think Kennedy has great potential. hes two sided, good physique and good pace and touch - all thats required for a good hurler!! hes very young and it takes time to adjust to senior intercounty!! remember in 2001 galway played kilkenny in the semi final and a certain JJ Delaney got absolutely destroyed corner back..one bad match didnt do him any harm and he didnt turn out to be a bad hurler after

droppingball didn't explicitly state what the 'off the ball' stuff was. It could have been a bit of shouldering, rather than flaking each other with their hurleys

droppingball · 27-02-2015 4:24pm

1. Sorry I should have specified, Joe hit Kennedy a shoulder off the ball after a nice interception and clearance from Kennedy. Joe thinking he could bully a young hurler only starting out but Kennedy didn't back down and give him a few shoulders back, no digging or poking just a few shoulders to let him know he wasn't going to be intimidated and that he was no shrinking violet.

I don't condone the off the ball stuff where guys are jabbing fellas in the ribs and back but it goes on. But I would do the exact same as Kennedy in his position, so I suppose I do condone what he did in that scenario.

2. Irrespective of whether Joe was fit or not I meant in the physicality stakes not just hurling wise, in terms of, if Kennedy is to make it at corner back, managers will target his height with bigger men at certain stages. I didn't mean because he hurled well on Joe one day that he will make it or that he would do well on Joe again.

Odyssey 2005 · 27-02-2015 4:49pm

Does anybody know if there are busses travelling to Croke Park on St. Patrick day from the city.
Thanks.

droppingball · 27-02-2015 5:01pm

Can't help with regards buses but on the topic of the Club Finals, are the tickets included in the season ticket? And do they come as a special purchase on your account or how does it work?

babyjesus14 · 27-02-2015 6:27pm

droppingball wrote: »

Can't help with regards buses but on the topic of the Club Finals, are the tickets included in the season ticket? And do they come as a special purchase on your account or how does it work?

Last year all season ticket holders were given an option of printing off a free ticket from their account for the Club Finals, i am assuming/hoping it is the same this year.

citykat · 27-02-2015 9:00pm

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Does anybody know if there are busses travelling to Croke Park on St. Patrick day from the city.
Thanks.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ballyhale-Shamrocks-GAA-Club/478109585582413?fref=nf

ALL-IRELAND CLUB FINAL - The club are organising a supporters bus for 17th March. Contact Noreen Malone (087-0539828) for full details + prices. Please note that U12's or younger children (wanting to go on the bus) must be accompanied by at least one of their parents / guardian or an adult. The bus organisers will not take unaccompanied children.

Odyssey 2005 · 27-02-2015 10:27pm

Thanks city at,I will call Noreen tomorrow. Hope they're not just travelling from Ballyhale.
Odyssey

citykat · 28-02-2015 12:35am

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Thanks city at,I will call Noreen tomorrow. Hope they're not just travelling from Ballyhale.
Odyssey

You're welcome. Enjoy the day!

unrealtime · 28-02-2015 3:28pm

JJ like Henry was played out of position in 2001. I couldn't believe it at the time and it cost us dearly.

Kkboy · 28-02-2015 4:46pm

Well done to St Kieran's collage, looks to be some good prospects on this team, is Darren Mullen still injured? I presume he is still a pupil there

donnem33 · 28-02-2015 5:04pm

unrealtime wrote: »

JJ like Henry was played out of position in 2001. I couldn't believe it at the time and it cost us dearly.

to be fair shefflin had played corner forward in both 1999 and 2000 while that was jj's first year on the senior panel (bear in mind he was only just out of minor) so im not really sure how you could have been so surprised at the time?

citykat · 28-02-2015 8:29pm

Kkboy wrote: »

is Darren Mullen still injured? I presume he is still a pupil there

Yes to both of those questions.

citykat · 28-02-2015 9:10pm

Kkboy wrote: »

Well done to St Kieran's collage, looks to be some good prospects on this team, is Darren Mullen still injured? I presume he is still a pupil there

1-14 to 1-6. Kierans shot 16 wides. :eek:

mullinr2 · 28-02-2015 9:57pm

Who do Kieran's play in the semi? I've heard the two munster teams are good. What's the Galway team like this year?

pat 22 · 28-02-2015 11:51pm

I see congress brought in the one on one penalty rule!! Liam sheedy must have a lot of clout in the gaa. Anything to disrupt kk I think!!

What's ye're thoughts on it ?

Fireball07 · 01-03-2015 12:06am

pat 22 wrote: »

I see congress brought in the one on one penalty rule!! Liam sheedy must have a lot of clout in the gaa. Anything to disrupt kk I think!!

What's ye're thoughts on it ?

How does that disrupt KK?

I think it's a good rule tbh.

Hitchens · 01-03-2015 12:08am

Fireball07 wrote: »

How does that disrupt KK?

I think it's a good rule tbh.

nothing disrupts KK

citykat · 01-03-2015 12:39am

pat 22 wrote: »

I see congress brought in the one on one penalty rule!! Liam sheedy must have a lot of clout in the gaa. Anything to disrupt kk I think!!

What's ye're thoughts on it ?

Don't see how this'll disrupt us more than any other county. I'd say TJ is happy anyway.
On the rule change, I think the pendulum has swung too far to the attack. I think two on goal would be fair enough on both sides.

dastardly00 · 01-03-2015 12:51am

pat 22 wrote: »

I see congress brought in the one on one penalty rule!! Liam sheedy must have a lot of clout in the gaa. Anything to disrupt kk I think!!

What's ye're thoughts on it ?

My thoughts are that it's a good thing to be brought in.

I'm interested to hear why you think it disrupts KK??

pat 22 · 01-03-2015 2:13am

dastardly00 wrote: »

My thoughts are that it's a good thing to be brought in.

I'm interested to hear why you think it disrupts KK??

How can u say its a good thing?? One of the most exciting part of our great game has been taken away in my opinion because of sheedys influence. And just so happens Tipp missed 2 penalties last September. Wake up and smell the coffee!! But alls not lost, I'm sure mr cody will plan for it. Why this rule change is so extreme is beyond belief.

The game of hurling is there so long. Why take two players out and leave just the keeper? Th ere's a big difference in football and hurling. Their ruining the beautiful game...

windy shepard henderson · 01-03-2015 2:21am

pat 22 wrote: »

How can u say its a good thing?? One of the most exciting part of our great game has been taken away in my opinion because of sheedys influence. And just so happens Tipp missed 2 penalties last September. Wake up and smell the coffee!! But alls not lost, I'm sure mr cody will plan for it. Why this rule change is so extreme is beyond belief.

The game of hurling is there so long. Why take two players out and leave just the keeper? Th ere's a big difference in football and hurling. Their ruining the beautiful game...

your right there is a big difference between hurlin and football but you have to remember where this whole thing started , goal keepers taking 21's from the 5 yard line and the like

Realt Dearg Sec · 01-03-2015 2:51am

pat 22 wrote: »

How can u say its a good thing?? One of the most exciting part of our great game has been taken away in my opinion because of sheedys influence. And just so happens Tipp missed 2 penalties last September. Wake up and smell the coffee!! But alls not lost, I'm sure mr cody will plan for it. Why this rule change is so extreme is beyond belief.

The game of hurling is there so long. Why take two players out and leave just the keeper? Th ere's a big difference in football and hurling. Their ruining the beautiful game...

Yeah I really don't see how this is an anti Kilkenny thing. That would take a wild stretch off the imagination.

citykat · 01-03-2015 2:59am

pat 22 wrote: »

How can u say its a good thing?? One of the most exciting part of our great game has been taken away in my opinion because of sheedys influence. And just so happens Tipp missed 2 penalties last September. Wake up and smell the coffee!! But alls not lost, I'm sure mr cody will plan for it. Why this rule change is so extreme is beyond belief.

The game of hurling is there so long. Why take two players out and leave just the keeper? Th ere's a big difference in football and hurling. Their ruining the beautiful game...

Sheedy wasn't the only guy involved. That review committee contained individuals from a rake of counties including our own Pat Henderson. Something had to be done for penalties. It will benefit everyone not just Tipp.

Fireball07 · 01-03-2015 3:26am

pat 22 wrote: »

How can u say its a good thing?? One of the most exciting part of our great game has been taken away in my opinion because of sheedys influence. And just so happens Tipp missed 2 penalties last September. Wake up and smell the coffee!! But alls not lost, I'm sure mr cody will plan for it. Why this rule change is so extreme is beyond belief.

The game of hurling is there so long. Why take two players out and leave just the keeper? Th ere's a big difference in football and hurling. Their ruining the beautiful game...

That's a bit paranoid, I think. Tipp missed 2 penalties that day, but may have scored them on another day. Penalty-takers all over the country had come out saying that penalties were now almost impossible to score, but I don't think it's unreasonable at all to expect takers to take them from a certain mark.

The game is constantly evolving, and I think this change is definitely one for the better. Seemed to be interesting during the Walsh & Waterford Crystal Cups, where a lot were saved. It makes it very interesting, a one-on-one duel between shooter and shot-stopper.

There is also a strong argument to be made that if players are being dragged down and fouled just as they are about to score a goal, then a goal should be the expected result of the penalty. If the 3 men are actually statistically more likely to make the save, then that's promoting fouling.

Odyssey 2005 · 01-03-2015 3:29am

In my opinion it will bring DIVING into the game of hurling. Something that was never there . It will be thought/ bred/ thumped/ beaten into fowards. One on one is a dead cert goal

Fireball07 · 01-03-2015 3:32am

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

In my opinion it will bring DIVING into the game of hurling. Something that was never there . It will be thought/ bred/ thumped/ beaten into fowards. One on one is a dead cert goal

Well that's the other side of it.

But I would say it's not a new thing, people having been buying easy frees and going down easily for a while now, as much as some would hate to admit it.

And the 30% conversion rate or whatever it was would suggest otherwise, but I imagine it should go higher as players get used to it.

citykat · 01-03-2015 5:27am

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

In my opinion it will bring DIVING into the game of hurling. Something that was never there . It will be thought/ bred/ thumped/ beaten into fowards. One on one is a dead cert goal

More of an incentive for diving alright. Suppose it's up to our old friend, the man in black to be wise to that.

babyjesus14 · 01-03-2015 10:00am

mullinr2 wrote: »

Who do Kieran's play in the semi? I've heard the two munster teams are good. What's the Galway team like this year?

Obviously depends on the 1/4 finals but Kieran's will more than likely be playing Rochestown in the semis. I read the opposite about the Harty cup competition on another forum, someone claiming that it wasn't a strong competition this year.
I know for a fact that there is no tradition or great interest in sport from the teaching side in Rochestown so getting to both the hurling and football finals in Munster was some achievement by the lads involved.

bruschi · 01-03-2015 10:05am

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

In my opinion it will bring DIVING into the game of hurling. Something that was never there .

Pa Cronin says hello...

babyjesus14 · 01-03-2015 10:11am

Cracking Fitzgibbon final last night given the conditions, some notable contributions from the Kilkenny contingent. Thought Ger Teehan and Jack Langton did well for WIT and Eoin McGrath improved as the game went on after a very ropey start. Johnny Hayes made a very good impression when he came in and must have a strong case for starting the replay. Brian Troy and Eoin Moriarty were solid without being spectacular for UL but Conor Martin was a big disappointment.

dastardly00 · 01-03-2015 10:36am

pat 22 wrote: »

How can u say its a good thing?? One of the most exciting part of our great game has been taken away in my opinion because of sheedys influence. And just so happens Tipp missed 2 penalties last September. Wake up and smell the coffee!! But alls not lost, I'm sure mr cody will plan for it. Why this rule change is so extreme is beyond belief.

I think you should head over to the conspiracy theory forum pat.

pat 22 · 01-03-2015 12:13pm

Haha!! Well it wudnt b the first time I was suspicious... I can't help myself these past few yrs. It all started for me in 2013... First it was Matt Ruth's point against Waterford. Then Kelly in last yrs all ireland final. As brian said himself handing tipp a free shot to win the final.
Its been really difficult for me!! I havnt been sleeping great with awhile now bcos of these things going on !! :-)

babyjesus14 · 01-03-2015 12:29pm

pat 22 wrote: »

Haha!! Well it wudnt b the first time I was suspicious... I can't help myself these past few yrs. It all started for me in 2013... First it was Matt Ruth's point against Waterford. Then Kelly in last yrs all ireland final. As brian said himself handing tipp a free shot to win the final.
Its been really difficult for me!! I havnt been sleeping great with awhile now bcos of these things going on !! :-)

In fairness to James Owens on the Matt Ruth point, Eddie Brennan hightlighted this on TSG, Mick Fennelly played the ball forward and it was going to a Waterford guy so the ref looked at his watch and the time was up by the time he looked back up the Waterford defender had misscontrolled and Ruth was lining up his shot but he had already committed to blowing.
Kelly is a different case Davy Glennons' dive in '12 drawn final, Henry's sending off in '13 and then the free in this years drawn final, three major incorrect decisions from the same ref... just because your paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!

pat 22 · 01-03-2015 1:30pm

babyjesus14 wrote: »

In fairness to James Owens on the Matt Ruth point, Eddie Brennan hightlighted this on TSG, Mick Fennelly played the ball forward and it was going to a Waterford guy so the ref looked at his watch and the time was up by the time he looked back up the Waterford defender had misscontrolled and Ruth was lining up his shot but he had already committed to blowing.
Kelly is a different case Davy Glennons' dive in '12 drawn final, Henry's sending off in '13 and then the free in this years drawn final, three major incorrect decisions from the same ref... just because your paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!

That's a long list u got there!! No need to anymore about that. In my opinion all was needed was another line a few metres in. It was getting a bit crazy. I dont think there was need for such a change.

Interesting summer ahead though ...

Kkboy · 01-03-2015 1:35pm

citykat wrote: »

Yes to both of those questions.

Thanks, hope he makes a full and quick recovery.

Interesting article in the independent yesterday about the prevalence of injuries in 16 to 21 year olds.

citykat · 01-03-2015 6:05pm

Kkboy wrote: »

Interesting article in the independent yesterday about the prevalence of injuries in 16 to 21 year olds.

Yea especially cruciate injuries. To get a cruciate injury at that age is mental IMO. A friend of mine whose son is a promising hurler got a cruciate injury at 14. He was told it could've been down to the blade type studs the lad was wearing.

Hopefully DM makes a full recovery. Super hurler and still only 17. A great prospect.

babyjesus14 · 01-03-2015 7:43pm

citykat wrote: »

Yea especially cruciate injuries. To get a cruciate injury at that age is mental IMO. A friend of mine whose son is a promising hurler got a cruciate injury at 14. He was told it could've been down to the blade type studs the lad was wearing.

Hopefully DM makes a full recovery. Super hurler and still only 17. A great prospect.

This is actually DMs' second cruciate injury and he has just turned 17!

citykat · 01-03-2015 9:38pm

babyjesus14 wrote: »

This is actually DMs' second cruciate injury and he has just turned 17!

That's tough. It's not uncommon for the knee to go again if it wasn't 100% after the first time. Can be a nasty injury though. In some cases, they have to take some of the hamstring and place this in the joint when there's not enough ligament left. That's leaves you with a hamstring to rehab as well as the cruciate!
If it was the other knee, that was pure bad luck.

rebel girl 15 · 01-03-2015 11:00pm

Miall108, pat22 and wallywhittle quit the off topic bickering - you come back and continue it, there will be bans handed out

tbiggertycome · 02-03-2015 9:22pm

The very idea that the new penalty rule has anything to do with Kilkenny is totally off the wall, however I don't like the rule that has been brought in. I believe a small line 18yards from goal would have solved the issue, leave the 3 men there, place the ball on the 21 and hit by the 18. Given the speeds that the top players can hit the ball TJ Reid was measured @181.2km/h over a distance of 19.2024m it actually means the keeper has 0.3815seconds before the ball crosses the line. Given human reaction times are between 0.150 and 0.300seconds to instigate movement they won't see the ball but will be reacting to the takers body language. While this would also be true for a shot hit at 18 yards the fact you have 3 player's to stop it evens the odds.

mercury16 · 02-03-2015 9:40pm

Can someone tell me the following;
1) Who on last years minor all-Ireland winning team is still eligible to play again in 2015.
2) Who on the current St. Kierans team are eligible to play minor this year.

Thanks !

jeff bingham · 03-03-2015 12:25pm

Heard John Walsh did his cruciate and shattered his kneecap in a freak accident with DIT. His is year over already and possibly a career threatening injury.
Hope he makes a full recovery

savannahkat · 03-03-2015 1:31pm

Bad news follows bad news. Bad enough to read about John Walsh but to read we have to put up with Barry Kelly next Sunday just adds to the bad news.

tbiggertycome · 04-03-2015 2:30pm

savannahkat wrote: »

Bad news follows bad news. Bad enough to read about John Walsh but to read we have to put up with Barry Kelly next Sunday just adds to the bad news.

Well that's me not travelling so. I was willing to spend the 2+ hours up and back to Galway to see how the lads are progressing after the Dublin game but I won't stir an inch now that Kelly is reffing it. I would end up crashing on the way home after thinking of all the crazy decisions he awarded against us and probably Galway too and I don't want to see the kind of game Kelly refs.

andyman · 04-03-2015 3:10pm

Genuinely don't understand why people would boycott a game because of the ref.

When people like me who can't go to games reads something like that it really annoys me.

dastardly00 · 04-03-2015 3:26pm

andyman wrote: »

Genuinely don't understand why people would boycott a game because of the ref.

When people like me who can't go to games reads something like that it really annoys me.

I presume tbiggertycome was joking.......

Jesus I hope he was anyway :eek:

dzer2 · 04-03-2015 3:34pm

dastardly00 wrote: »

I presume tbiggertycome was joking.......

Jesus I hope he was anyway :eek:

Dont know about that kelly is bad for my mental state any time i see a match he refs. I couldnt care how bad a ref is as long as he is consistent. I didnt go the final last yr and was proved right in the end.

dcrosskid · 04-03-2015 3:47pm

dzer2 wrote: »

Dont know about that kelly is bad for my mental state any time i see a match he refs. I couldnt care how bad a ref is as long as he is consistent. I didnt go the final last yr and was proved right in the end.

Proved right???

You missed out on arguably the greatest game of hurling that has ever been played.

dzer2 · 04-03-2015 4:06pm

dcrosskid wrote: »

Proved right???

You missed out on arguably the greatest game of hurling that has ever been played.

Yeah but would be in the joy now as I would have murdered him had I being there.

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