Islamic Militants kill 2,000 people in Nigeria in one attack

Boring username · 10-01-2015 1:45pm #1

No, that is not a typo. In what is one of the deadliest terrorist attacks in history, up to 2,000 people have been killed in a single town in Nigeria by Islamic militant group, Boko Harem. The local security forces have given up trying to count all the bodies at this point, as there are simply too many to keep track.

theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/boko-haram-deadliest-massacre-baga-nigeria

How is the global community going to deal with these extremists?

Zack Morris · 10-01-2015 1:47pm

Islam is getting a bad rep in 2015.

Tugboats · 10-01-2015 1:51pm

Boring username wrote: »

No, that is not a typo. In what is one of the deadliest terrorist attacks in history, up to 2,000 people have been killed in a single town in Nigeria by Islamic militant group, Boko Harem. The local security forces have given up trying to count all the bodies at this point, as there are simply too many to keep track.

theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/boko-haram-deadliest-massacre-baga-nigeria

How is the global community going to deal with these extremists?

Send the Yanks it to police/fix it and then do an anti war protest in town?

dissed doc · 10-01-2015 1:53pm

Boring username wrote: »

theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/boko-haram-deadliest-massacre-baga-nigeria

How is the global community going to deal with these extremists?

Criticism of Islamic fascism/extremism is still deemed as racist by many people, who in their viewpoint (somewhat racist actually, as it judges people based on religion (can be judged harmless, violent whatever) cannot be harmful because it creates too much cognitive dissonance.

The idea that people could be muslim but also dangerous does not compute, as we are meant to prejudice all muslims as being perfect. This two legs good, four legs bad black and white thinking is racist and prejudiced and that is what gets people killed.

Look past religion, sexuality and gender. People can still be, despite being gay Islamic women, completely dangerous for reasons entirely separate to religion.

sjb25 · 10-01-2015 1:56pm

Boring username wrote: »

No, that is not a typo. In what is one of the deadliest terrorist attacks in history, up to 2,000 people have been killed in a single town in Nigeria by Islamic militant group, Boko Harem. The local security forces have given up trying to count all the bodies at this point, as there are simply too many to keep track.

theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/boko-haram-deadliest-massacre-baga-nigeria

How is the global community going to deal with these extremists?

Fcuking hell.............. RIP something will have to be done about these groups and before you ask I honestly don't no what to do or where to start

Highflyer13 · 10-01-2015 2:04pm

Its amazing the lack of coverage this is getting in comparison to the Paris attacks. Surely it should be propelled to the same platform.

shruikan2553 · 10-01-2015 2:06pm

dissed doc wrote: »

Criticism of Islamic fascism/extremism is still deemed as racist by many people, who in their viewpoint (somewhat racist actually, as it judges people based on religion (can be judged harmless, violent whatever) cannot be harmful because it creates too much cognitive dissonance.

The idea that people could be muslim but also dangerous does not compute, as we are meant to prejudice all muslims as being perfect. This two legs good, four legs bad black and white thinking is racist and prejudiced and that is what gets people killed.

Look past religion, sexuality and gender. People can still be, despite being gay Islamic women, completely dangerous for reasons entirely separate to religion.

I have yet to see anyone defend extremism. How does boko haram killing 2000 people have anything to do with racism? Some people just have to peddle their agenda.

bb1234567 · 10-01-2015 2:08pm

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Its amazing the lack of coverage this is getting in comparison to the Paris attacks. Surely it should be propelled to the same platform.

Not even one story reported on sky news as of yet. I guess a dozen french people dying is more interesting than 2000 poor people dying :mad:

somuj · 10-01-2015 2:08pm

I wonder will the usual dingbats be along to blame this on the west bombing and interfering with the middle east.

Tugboats · 10-01-2015 2:09pm

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Its amazing the lack of coverage this is getting in comparison to the Paris attacks. Surely it should be propelled to the same platform.

Its happened in a village that nobody heard of and in a country that few really care about

mrsoundie · 10-01-2015 2:09pm

Tugboats wrote: »

Send the Yanks it to police/fix it and then do an anti war protest in town?

I nearly choked on my sarnie, don't do that again!

Capt'n Midnight · 10-01-2015 2:11pm

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Its amazing the lack of coverage this is getting in comparison to the Paris attacks. Surely it should be propelled to the same platform.

An average of 3,000 people a day were dying during the Second Congo War.

Dont call me Shirley · 10-01-2015 2:12pm

somuj wrote: »

I wonder will the usual dingbats be along to blame this on the west bombing and interfering with the middle east.

Yup, we're playing into the hands of the extremists, killing tens of thousands more civilians is only going to aid their cause.

The extremist movement has cleverly found a weak point in Western power, our arrogance, it's using it to their own means and so far have been extremely successful.

It's very worrying where this will all end.

Grayson · 10-01-2015 2:14pm

dissed doc wrote: »

Criticism of Islamic fascism/extremism is still deemed as racist by many people, who in their viewpoint (somewhat racist actually, as it judges people based on religion (can be judged harmless, violent whatever) cannot be harmful because it creates too much cognitive dissonance.

The idea that people could be muslim but also dangerous does not compute, as we are meant to prejudice all muslims as being perfect. This two legs good, four legs bad black and white thinking is racist and prejudiced and that is what gets people killed.

Look past religion, sexuality and gender. People can still be, despite being gay Islamic women, completely dangerous for reasons entirely separate to religion.

Seriously? the problem isn't islam. It's people like this.

These are a very backwards people. they believe all kinds of ****.

In the Central African Republic you have the Anti-balaka. They massacre Muslims and are just as bad as Muslim militants.

In Uganda you have the Lords Resistance Army under Joseph Kony. They are responsible for multiple atrocities and train child soldiers.

If course you'll look at that and you won't say that Christianity is the problem. It's one standard for Muslims and one standard for Christians. When a Muslim does something it's representative of all of Islam. When a Christian does something it's an aberration.

the problem is that these are people in incredibly isolated areas who will use violence to get their means. They'll tie their flag to whatever the local religion is. If they are from a Christian area suddenly they are Christian militants. If they are from a Muslim area then they are islamic militants. Really it's down to cultural/tribal differences and they just use the religion to differentiate. Like northern Ireland most of these conflicts have little to do with religion and they're just labels that are applied to underlying issues that exist between disparate cultural/ethnic groups.

The best example of this is Rwanda. When the genocide occurred there a lot of churches actually gave their support to the genocide. Yet that's not considered a "Christian" genocide. mainly because both sides were Christian so the ethnic fault-lines were more visible.

wp_rathead · 10-01-2015 2:17pm

Suleiman Dauda, 12, said he ran into the bushes with neighbours when extremists attacked his village, Askira Uba, near Yola last year.

“I saw them kill my father, they slaughtered him like a ram. And up until now I don’t know where my mother is,” he told the Associated Press at Daware refugee camp in Yola.

Barbarians

somuj · 10-01-2015 2:17pm

Wish I could turn into a goat.

Wolf Club · 10-01-2015 2:23pm

Shocking stuff, you'd imagine a country the size of Nigeria would have sufficient military power to deal with the likes of Boko Haram.

RobertKK · 10-01-2015 2:25pm

Boring username wrote: »

No, that is not a typo. In what is one of the deadliest terrorist attacks in history, up to 2,000 people have been killed in a single town in Nigeria by Islamic militant group, Boko Harem. The local security forces have given up trying to count all the bodies at this point, as there are simply too many to keep track.

theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/boko-haram-deadliest-massacre-baga-nigeria

How is the global community going to deal with these extremists?

By ignoring when it is in Africa.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

An average of 3,000 people a day were dying during the Second Congo War.

Yeah, could never understand how this war got very very little coverage, when over 5 million people died from the war and the effects of the war.

Maybe the media views Africans as being lesser people,. It is Animal farm in the media, we are all equal but some are more equal than others.

10-01-2015 2:26pm

There's no words for this really. It's pretty much unfathomable.

Grayson · 10-01-2015 2:34pm

RobertKK wrote: »

Maybe the media views Africans as being lesser people,. It is Animal farm in the media, we are all equal but some are more equal than others.

I think there is a kind of discrimination when it comes to this kind of stuff. It might be because they're black, or not as "civilised" or because it's remote but it does happen quite a bit.

Yellowblackbird · 10-01-2015 2:38pm

There's no way of judging the depth of this really. It's pretty much ineffable.

suicide_circus · 10-01-2015 2:39pm

The most likely victims of these medieval scum are fellow muslims. These fcukers are pure dirt who basically just need to be wiped out.

Donkey Oaty · 10-01-2015 2:49pm

District head Baba Abba Hassan said most victims are children, women and elderly people who could not run fast enough when insurgents drove into Baga, firing rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles on town residents.

What brave soldiers Boko Haram are.

shruikan2553 · 10-01-2015 2:51pm

Just under 3k people died from 9/11, its possible this could be close.

suicide_circus wrote: »

The most likely victims of these medieval scum are fellow muslims. These fcukers are pure dirt who basically just need to be wiped out.

Its something like 50% Christian and 40%+ Muslim. So probably quite a few.

Boko haram are against the westerns style state schools Nigeria has as they want faith schools instead. Seems a bit of an over the top reaction over schools.

FouxDaFaFa · 10-01-2015 3:09pm

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

What brave soldiers Boko Haram are.

They really are. These are the same guys who kidnapped all those schoolgirls last year.

They also enjoy breaking into universities at night and shooting students as they sleep.

A lot of terrible things happen in the world and on the news but Boko Haram, to me, are one of the most callous groups operating today. There appears to be no humanity to them.

And yes, it's so disappointing that this is not on the news (as much as it should) and no-one seems to care. I don't know if it's because it's not as "sexy" a story as Paris (hostages, cool!) or the remoteness of where this is happening. Or maybe even an understandable reluctance of news crews to venture out and report on this. While they could run into trouble in Paris, it's very unlikely. But they would be putting themselves in huge danger following Boko Haram around.

Boring username · 10-01-2015 3:13pm

I think it speaks volumes that the likes of Russell Brand and members of the St. Louis Rams are strangely silent when a genuine massacre like this takes place.

bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-30221442

Not to mention the thousands of smug liberals who were falling over themselves to call for some small time pick up artist to be banned from the UK on facebook and twitter recently. I guess there exists a peculiar phenomenon of acceptable topics that are considered fashionable to support.

ChunkyLover54 · 10-01-2015 3:15pm

Zack Morris wrote: »

Islam is getting a bad rep in 2015.

Yeah, especially after they captured peoples hearts in 2014.

Highflyer13 · 10-01-2015 3:20pm

How are these nutters so deranged and sadistic. They are not born like that for sure.

keeponhurling · 10-01-2015 4:19pm

France is much closer to Ireland than Nigeria, hence French events get more coverage.
At a guess, far more Irish people live in Paris than Nigeria.

That would be a big factor

Baggy Trousers · 10-01-2015 4:27pm

I heard that the dead are mainly elderly and children because they couldn't escape fast enough.
Boko Haram (stands for "Western education is forbidden") are particularly ruthless Islamic terrorists.

The Bould Rabbit · 10-01-2015 4:51pm

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Its amazing the lack of coverage this is getting in comparison to the Paris attacks. Surely it should be propelled to the same platform.

I'm far more interested in what happened in Paris to be honest.

Perhaps if I lived in a country close to Nigeria I'd be more interested in what happened there.

Media tends to focus on what is happening in its own neck of the woods. Mainly because that's what people are interested in.

One thing is certain though, Islamic terrorist scum are Islamic terrorist scum no matter where they are.

dissed doc · 10-01-2015 4:53pm

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I have yet to see anyone defend extremism. How does boko haram killing 2000 people have anything to do with racism? Some people just have to peddle their agenda.

For example, Angela Merkel was on her new years day address critical of Pegida, who since September were warning about Islamic extremism and the dangers. She wanted it to be pigeonholed as a racist, hate organisation, and to ignore the concerns of the middle ground.

Prior to the attacks a few days ago, there have been consistent increases reported in the number of Jewish people leaving France, either to the UK or Israel, due to the massive increase in anti-Jewish violence in france in 2014.

Up until now, the lead media has lead the doctrine of passive acceptance. So, this is what I was referring to. Irish media can be excluded as it is generally of little consequence and not investigative. When people now read of the 2000 dead in a massacre, and 2 days earlier four Jewish people were executed in Paris, a day prior 12 journalists executed. All by violent extremists done in the name of Islam, MOhammad or whoever.

The largest threat to democracy now and for the future in europe, is the latent presence of Islamic extremists. It is the new Nazism, IMO.

Super-Rush · 10-01-2015 4:56pm

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

What brave soldiers Boko Haram are.

When I read about this earlier, the report said the majority if those killed were men.

RobertKK · 10-01-2015 4:57pm

keeponhurling wrote: »

France is much closer to Ireland than Nigeria, hence French events get more coverage.
At a guess, far more Irish people live in Paris than Nigeria.

That would be a big factor

Yes Paris is about 500 miles away and Nigeria much further and France is really a neighbouring country, unlike Nigeria.

But sometimes things like Twink's dog makes more news coverage than much more serious and devastating events.

shruikan2553 · 10-01-2015 5:05pm

dissed doc wrote: »

For example, Angela Merkel was on her new years day address critical of Pegida, who since September were warning about Islamic extremism and the dangers. She wanted it to be pigeonholed as a racist, hate organisation, and to ignore the concerns of the middle ground.

Prior to the attacks a few days ago, there have been consistent increases reported in the number of Jewish people leaving France, either to the UK or Israel, due to the massive increase in anti-Jewish violence in france in 2014.

Up until now, the lead media has lead the doctrine of passive acceptance. So, this is what I was referring to. Irish media can be excluded as it is generally of little consequence and not investigative. When people now read of the 2000 dead in a massacre, and 2 days earlier four Jewish people were executed in Paris, a day prior 12 journalists executed. All by violent extremists done in the name of Islam, MOhammad or whoever.

The largest threat to democracy now and for the future in europe, is the latent presence of Islamic extremists. It is the new Nazism, IMO.

Im still not seeing

"Im against religious extremism!" Youre a racist.
or
How boko haram have anything to do with racism. They are a group who are against the state schools and want faith schools so go around kidnapping girls from schools and shooting up towns. Unless it is white liberals sending them in there, something which I doubt.

dissed doc · 10-01-2015 5:13pm

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Im still not seeing

"Im against religious extremism!" Youre a racist.
or
How boko haram have anything to do with racism. They are a group who are against the state schools and want faith schools so go around kidnapping girls from schools and shooting up towns. Unless it is white liberals sending them in there, something which I doubt.

Yes that is it. People are quite free and quick to criticise christian extremism, or Jewish extremism but the Islamic Defence Force stops any criticism of Islam, like the Sony Defence Force used to be on when anyone criticised the Playstation 2.

Now, think back to recent major religious events> the endless criticism of Israel and "Zionism" in the summer also in the Irish media, the endless endless criticism of the "bible thumping" christian americans, ridiculed as being primitive and unenlightened. Now, criticise the Islamic extremists and more often than not, you will be labelled as a racist.

We have recently seen the media in ireland avoids tackling the issue with the same gusto that they lay into with Christians or Jews. I say, let rip with the criticism of Islam for the violence, in the same way people let rip at Christianity for the abortion/paedophilia, or Jews with the actions of Israel. Fair is fair. Bokom Haram is a militant Islamic jihadist movement, it is exactly the equivalent of why people are so quick to jump down the throats of Christians or Jews.

colossus-x · 10-01-2015 5:20pm

bb1234567 wrote: »

Not even one story reported on sky news as of yet. I guess a dozen french people dying is more interesting than 2000 poor people dying :mad:

I heard about this - on sky news, 2 nights ago.

shruikan2553 · 10-01-2015 5:24pm

dissed doc wrote: »

Yes that is it. People are quite free and quick to criticise christian extremism, or Jewish extremism but the Islamic Defence Force stops any criticism of Islam, like the Sony Defence Force used to be on when anyone criticised the Playstation 2.

Who is the Islamic Defence Force? You look at a christian or Jew funny and you'll have them complaining about being oppressed and religious freedom so I have no idea where you are getting that from.

dissed doc wrote: »

Now, think back to recent major religious events> the endless criticism of Israel and "Zionism" in the summer also in the Irish media, the endless endless criticism of the "bible thumping" christian americans, ridiculed as being primitive and unenlightened. Now, criticise the Islamic extremists and more often than not, you will be labelled as a racist.

Israel and Judaism are different things. A person can criticise UKs actions without being anti Christian.

What has the Irish media said about Christian Americans?

dissed doc wrote: »

We have recently seen the media in ireland avoids tackling the issue with the same gusto that they lay into with Christians or Jews. I say, let rip with the criticism of Islam for the violence, in the same way people let rip at Christianity for the abortion/paedophilia, or Jews with the actions of Israel. Fair is fair.

I have no idea what you are talking about anymore. You keep going on about what people say about Christians and Jews while protecting Muslims. Most of the time when people try to treat them all equally people are attempting to defend the Christians and Jews! Its always thats different.

I still dont see what this has to do with Boko Haram. You havent even said anything about them killing 2000 people, instead you complain about ****ing liberals!.

BlaasForRafa · 10-01-2015 5:27pm

RobertKK wrote: »

Yes Paris is about 500 miles away and Nigeria much further and France is really a neighbouring country, unlike Nigeria.

But sometimes things like Twink's dog makes more news coverage than much more serious and devastating events.

I think that's kind of understandable in a way...if all we saw in the news was mans inhumanity to man then it would be incredibly depressing and soul-crushing. Sometimes we need the trivial or amusing to balance out all the darkness.

And I know that, yes some people are misfortunate in having to actually live through that darkness and suffer at the hands of inhumane people but we only have so long to live, is it wrong to try and do so in as happy a manner as possible?

I posted on one of the Charlie Hebdo threads that we are lucky to live where we do. As much as Ireland has faults, in comparison to others we have it pretty good and we shouldn't be ashamed of that.

entropi · 10-01-2015 5:28pm

bb1234567 wrote: »

Not even one story reported on sky news as of yet. I guess a dozen french people dying is more interesting than 2000 poor people dying :mad:

When most of the world media you will see is controlled by the white man, you'll mainly see issues that affect the white man. As sad as this is, its the truth.

This may not even break news on television, only through online sources. Its a very ignorant attitude to have tbh, but if it doesn't generate a story that they can keep running and keep people interested in, they won't bother.

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Im still not seeing

"Im against religious extremism!" Youre a racist.
or
How boko haram have anything to do with racism. They are a group who are against the state schools and want faith schools so go around kidnapping girls from schools and shooting up towns. Unless it is white liberals sending them in there, something which I doubt.

I honestly don't see how racism has anything to do with any of this tbh. Its out and out bigotry mixed with a touch of genocide and power struggle. It doesn't matter which of these extremist groups are promoting and carrying out these utterly idiotic attacks, they're still doing it in the name of one thing, religion and religious values.

It begs the question: if religion didn't exist, would these things still happen but for a different reason, and that the people scum doing this are just bad to the core?

BlaasForRafa · 10-01-2015 5:35pm

colossus-x wrote: »

I heard about this - on sky news, 2 nights ago.

Me too, I saw it on bbc.co.uk several days ago but the reports were unconfirmed and there were few facts to establish what exactly happened.

As regards Boko Haram, people are right to say you can't blame all muslims for happened. I think most humans want to live their lives in peace and happiness and muslims are just the same as christians, hindus, atheists and all the rest in this regard.

What I think needs to be examined is, does the set of ideas enshrined in islam foster the kind of attitudes that leads to Boko Haram, Isil, Al-Qaeda etc. It would seem that the Koran is more easily twisted to these kind of ideologies than the new testament for example.

Grayson · 10-01-2015 5:36pm

dissed doc wrote: »

The largest threat to democracy now and for the future in europe, is the latent presence of Islamic extremists. It is the new Nazism, IMO.

You know there are new Nazis. They're called Neo Nazi's (that's what Neo means. From the greek for new and young).

You know them. They have big marches. They're Germans. They hate a Semitic minority. They blame societies ills on them. They claim that this minority is secretly undermining Germany. They want them out of their country. they attack their places of worship and eventually they'll try to set up extermination camps.

biko · 10-01-2015 5:36pm

Unfortunately the strife of regular folks in Africa gets hardly any press in the West. Particularly when its can deemed sensitive/religious, as western media are scared ****less of getting labelled phobic by left.

I've been banging on about Sudan, Nigeria and Congo but no-one knows or cares much about these conflicts

Baggy Trousers · 10-01-2015 5:40pm

biko wrote: »

Unfortunately the strife of regular folks in Africa gets hardly any press in the West. Particularly when its can deemed sensitive/religious, as western media are scared ****less of getting labelled phobic by left.

And you certainly wont read any articles on how western oil companies have raped Nigeria of it's natural resources causing many of the country's problems.

Stinicker · 10-01-2015 5:41pm

Until Saudi Arabia and Qatar and their wahhabi'ism sect of Islam is destroyed then this type of thing will only become more and more commonplace. Secular and peaceful Europe will turn en-masse over to the Far-Right as more of these type events occur and sadly I think this massacre in Nigeria and the destruction in France is not the last we will see of these Jihadists.

When it states in your religion that you have a duty to kill the infidel then it wont go away. I personally think that Islam should be banned in the name of Religious tolerance because a religion that treats women like second class citizens, preaches the killing of innocents is not a religion but a movement of hate and should not be given the protection other peaceful relgions are given.

BlaasForRafa · 10-01-2015 5:43pm

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

And you certainly wont read any articles on how western oil companies have raped Nigeria of it's natural resources causing many of the country's problems.

I read an article just yesterday about how Nigerian families were being compensated for oil spills caused by shell.

Grayson · 10-01-2015 5:48pm

dissed doc wrote: »

Yes that is it. People are quite free and quick to criticise christian extremism, or Jewish extremism but the Islamic Defence Force stops any criticism of Islam, like the Sony Defence Force used to be on when anyone criticised the Playstation 2.

Now, think back to recent major religious events> the endless criticism of Israel and "Zionism" in the summer also in the Irish media, the endless endless criticism of the "bible thumping" christian americans, ridiculed as being primitive and unenlightened. Now, criticise the Islamic extremists and more often than not, you will be labelled as a racist.

We have recently seen the media in ireland avoids tackling the issue with the same gusto that they lay into with Christians or Jews. I say, let rip with the criticism of Islam for the violence, in the same way people let rip at Christianity for the abortion/paedophilia, or Jews with the actions of Israel. Fair is fair. Bokom Haram is a militant Islamic jihadist movement, it is exactly the equivalent of why people are so quick to jump down the throats of Christians or Jews.

Bokon Haran are ****s. There's no denying that. They are complete scum.
I don't like the lords resistance army either. But then again who does.

The only problem arises when people label every Muslim because of the actions of these guys. Just as Christianity isn't representative by the LRA.

For what it matters, I think religion is rubbish. All of it. I think people who try to inflict their religious believes on others are idiots.

But I don't think most people who defend islam are ignoring the sins of others. The so called "liberals" condemn bigotry and hatred wherever it occurs. And that's quite fair. However a lot of the criticism aimed at Muslims is a blanket criticism. If someone says that all Muslims are evil because of the actions of a few, or if they criticise Muslims but only Muslims, I think that's got some racist undertones.

shruikan2553 · 10-01-2015 5:50pm

entropi wrote: »

I honestly don't see how racism has anything to do with any of this tbh. Its out and out bigotry mixed with a touch of genocide and power struggle. It doesn't matter which of these extremist groups are promoting and carrying out these utterly idiotic attacks, they're still doing it in the name of one thing, religion and religious values.

It begs the question: if religion didn't exist, would these things still happen but for a different reason, and that the people scum doing this are just bad to the core?

Probably a mix. Some people are just ***** regardless but if you are being taught something all your life you will believe it. Certain groups of Islam are a lot worse than others As we can see with parts of Christianity over the past decades with education people do eventually learn to pick and choose which parts they follow. A Christian or Muslim from Ireland would tend to be a lot more progressive than one from some African, South American or Middle East countries. Both following the same book but taught it in a different manner.

Often the least secular a country is the more backwards laws it will have. Of course there are exceptions in all of this but if you look at lists of the most religious countries and least religious countries there tends to be a pattern.

somuj · 10-01-2015 5:54pm

Grayson wrote: »

Bokon Haran are ****s. There's no denying that. They are complete scum.
I don't like the lords resistance army either. But then again who does.

The only problem arises when people label every Muslim because of the actions of these guys. Just as Christianity isn't representative by the LRA.

For what it matters, I think religion is rubbish. All of it. I think people who try to inflict their religious believes on others are idiots.

But I don't think most people who defend islam are ignoring the sins of others. The so called "liberals" condemn bigotry and hatred wherever it occurs. And that's quite fair. However a lot of the criticism aimed at Muslims is a blanket criticism. If someone says that all Muslims are evil because of the actions of a few, or if they criticise Muslims but only Muslims, I think that's got some racist undertones.

I'm with you. I think all religion is nonsense. People fighting wars and hating each other over some non existent diety. I would love to live in a country who inhabitants valued reason and logic and not superstitious nonsense.

IanOBo · 10-01-2015 5:56pm

why isn't this being covered the same as Paris? I know one poster mentioned that the media focuses more on whats going in their neck of the woods but still this is horrific.

Grayson · 10-01-2015 6:08pm

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Probably a mix. Some people are just ***** regardless but if you are being taught something all your life you will believe it. Certain groups of Islam are a lot worse than others As we can see with parts of Christianity over the past decades with education people do eventually learn to pick and choose which parts they follow. A Christian or Muslim from Ireland would tend to be a lot more progressive than one from some African, South American or Middle East countries. Both following the same book but taught it in a different manner.

Often the least secular a country is the more backwards laws it will have. Of course there are exceptions in all of this but if you look at lists of the most religious countries and least religious countries there tends to be a pattern.

Look at Russia where you can't drive a car if you're gay. Like the other thread title says it's turning into a Christian Saudi.

Islamic Militants kill 2,000 people in Nigeria in one attack

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