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Dublin marathon elite Field

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    #92
    tunguska
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    menoscemo wrote: »
    Maria is definitely a clear favourite for the women's national title.

    I believe she's not just after the national title. Wouldn't bet against her either.


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    #93
    pconn062
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    tunguska wrote: »
    I believe she's not just after the national title. Wouldn't bet against her either.

    Overall race win? Suppose it depends on who they have coming in from abroad.


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    #94
    tunguska
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    pconn062 wrote: »
    Overall race win? Suppose it depends on who they have coming in from abroad.

    Yeah definitely depends on who'll be drafted in on the day, but from what I understand anyway, she's going for the outright win.


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    #95
    youngrun
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    Lindie Naughton had a piece in the Herald last night on the marathon

    Sokolov is back who won 2007
    Peter Brandon of Athenry AC And Kenya



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    Another change to the race sees overseas elite runners making a return after an absence of a year.

    Among those running are Aleksey Sokolov, from Russia, winner in 2006 and 2007, when he set the course record of 2:09.07.

    Among the African entries are Peter Brandon Somba, winner of the Connemara Half Marathon earlier this year, and Raheny's Freddy Keron Sittuk.

    Leading the women's entry are Russian Marina Kovaleva, Kenyan Esther Wanjiru Macharia, and 19-year-old Ethiopian Meseret Agama Godana.

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    #96
    Netwerk Errer
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    youngrun wrote: »
    Lindie Naughton had a piece in the Herald last night on the marathon

    Sokolov is back who won 2007
    Peter Brandon of Athenry AC And Kenya



    Copied in below cant post link

    Another change to the race sees overseas elite runners making a return after an absence of a year.

    Among those running are Aleksey Sokolov, from Russia, winner in 2006 and 2007, when he set the course record of 2:09.07.

    Among the African entries are Peter Brandon Somba, winner of the Connemara Half Marathon earlier this year, and Raheny's Freddy Keron Sittuk.

    Leading the women's entry are Russian Marina Kovaleva, Kenyan Esther Wanjiru Macharia, and 19-year-old Ethiopian Meseret Agama Godana.

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    Sokolov will have no competition so. I'm not going to lie, I'm pretty dissapointed with the field. Peter Brandon will most likely be running with the National championship runners. Sokolov will probably win by 5+ minutes.


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    #97
    youngrun
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    He may not be in 2007 nick - if you look up IAAF stats he has a 2.17 this year in Zurich and 212 in 2012, still probably a bit ahead of the Irish lads . May be one or two more overseas runners one would expect?


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    #98
    pistol_75
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    Netwerk Errer wrote: »
    Sokolov will have no competition so. I'm not going to lie, I'm pretty dissapointed with the field. Peter Brandon will most likely be running with the National championship runners. Sokolov will probably win by 5+ minutes.

    Sokolov ran his most recent Marathon in April in Zurich in a time of 2:17:10. Before that his last Marathon was in 2012 where he ran 2:13:01

    His best times have all come in Dublin but he is unlikely to be in the shape he was when he set those times?


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    #99
    TFBubendorfer
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    Netwerk Errer wrote: »
    Sokolov will have no competition so. I'm not going to lie, I'm pretty dissapointed with the field. Peter Brandon will most likely be running with the National championship runners. Sokolov will probably win by 5+ minutes.

    If they get some half-decent elites then people complain about the money spent on some unknown African runners that nobody cares about.

    If they don't then they get complaints about the elite field being disappointing.

    Either way, they can't win.


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    #100
    Netwerk Errer
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    TFBubendorfer wrote: »
    If they get some half-decent elites then people complain about the money spent on some unknown African runners that nobody cares about.

    If they don't then they get complaints about the elite field being disappointing.

    Either way, they can't win.

    True. A bit harsh on the African nobody cares about though.

    I just always like to see some of the best in the world in action. I really don't think that much money is given to those elites in appearance fees and travel in the grand scheme of things.

    Hammid el mouaziz ran the Great Limerick run last year and his asking price was €1000, he ran 28:xx. Look at the great Ireland run. They brought in Bekele and Japhet Korir over the last few years. Imagine the cost of them.

    It's probably only a drop in the ocean to bring in a few 2.10 guys for the DCM.


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    #101
    tang1
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    The Great Run series is non comparable to the Dublin Marathon, its a series of races run all over the world and obviously would have alot more funds available to it to pay elites like Bekele etc to run. The Dublin marathon nearly has to beg for funds to stage the race let alone pay top dollar to elite runners to come race it. Unless a big multi-national backs DCM you'll never see likes of the Mutais, Kipsang or Bekele come race Dublin.


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    #102
    TFBubendorfer
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    Netwerk Errer wrote: »
    True. A bit harsh on the African nobody cares about though.

    I was merely paraphrasing the numerous comments I've seen on that subject every single time until last year. It's not my own view.
    Netwerk Errer wrote:
    I just always like to see some of the best in the world in action. I really don't think that much money is given to those elites in appearance fees and travel in the grand scheme of things.

    As far as I know DCM doesn't pay any appearance fees. Instead they try and identify upcoming young runners and bring them over. Mind, travel costs and other related expenses for a dozen athletes will still add up.

    Getting Feyisa Lelisa over in 2009 was a real coup. He subsequently placed second in Chicago, has a bronze medal from the World championships and a PB of 2:04:xx. :eek: Still, at the time he won DCM he got a quick mention in the news and that was it.

    If you don't pay appearance fees, getting runners of that quality won't happen very often, and it does mean that the elites on the start line will generally be unknown to almost everyone.


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    #103
    dublin runner
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    tang1 wrote: »
    The Great Run series is non comparable to the Dublin Marathon, its a series of races run all over the world and obviously would have alot more funds available to it to pay elites like Bekele etc to run. The Dublin marathon nearly has to beg for funds to stage the race let alone pay top dollar to elite runners to come race it. Unless a big multi-national backs DCM you'll never see likes of the Mutais, Kipsang or Bekele come race Dublin.

    That's a fair point. No reason why DCM cannot work towards bringing in some big elites over the next few years though. To improve the races international recognition it really must bring in the best runners it can. That's my view.

    Any reason why we don't see more British runners come over?


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    #104
    tang1
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    dublin runner wrote: »
    That's a fair point. No reason why DCM cannot work towards bringing in some big elites over the next few years though. To improve the races international recognition it really must bring in the best runners it can. That's my view.

    Any reason why we don't see more British runners come over?

    The likes of Andy Lemencello(2.13PB), Scott Overall and Steve Way coming over certainly would make the race more competitive. But maybe it doesn't appeal to them.


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    #105
    tunguska
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    tang1 wrote: »
    The likes of Andy Lemencello(2.13PB), Scott Overall and Steve Way coming over certainly would make the race more competitive. But maybe it doesn't appeal to them.

    Yeah it'd be great to see those guys come over, especially Steve way.
    I think though the fact that the course is pretty undulating has a lot to do with it. I mean Frankfurt is the day before so why waste good training on a slow course?


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    #106
    tang1
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    tunguska wrote: »
    I think though the fact that the course is pretty undulating has a lot to do with it. I mean Frankfurt is the day before so why waste good training on a slow course?

    There is the issue with no real depth in the elite field. You have a marathon on the day before that offers a faster time, why would you run Dublin. But very little can be done to flatten the DCM course out though can there?


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    #107
    Clearlier
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    tang1 wrote: »
    The likes of Andy Lemencello(2.13PB), Scott Overall and Steve Way coming over certainly would make the race more competitive. But maybe it doesn't appeal to them.

    I think that Steve would be open to the idea but it might be difficult to fit in with his aims for ultras as well as doing London which would be his first choice of marathon. I'm sure that he would do it as a training run but how interesting would that be to the organisers/public?


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    #108
    Ghost in Cratloe
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    Quick Update on the Elite Field for the fall bank holiday showpiece.

    Freddy Keron Sittuk: 2:12
    Lezan Kimutai: 2:13
    Peter Somba: debut as far as I am aware although he has ran sub 30 for 10km.
    Paul Koech Kimutai: 62 /2:15 at Eldoret Marathon

    plus the token Russian


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    #109
    average_runner
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    tang1 wrote: »
    There is the issue with no real depth in the elite field. You have a marathon on the day before that offers a faster time, why would you run Dublin. But very little can be done to flatten the DCM course out though can there?


    There is alternatives to make it a flat course, but then wouldn't take much of the city in.
    Dublin just isnt that attractive kind of place.


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    #110
    ultrapercy
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    average_runner wrote: »
    There is alternatives to make it a flat course, but then wouldn't take much of the city in.
    Dublin just isnt that attractive kind of place.

    I dont think the course profile is a major issue. The issue is money, if the price is right the best runners would run on the moon. NY is a tough course but attracts a top field because of its elite budget. The Dublin Marathon must budget their limited funds in a way that they believe is best for the race. A high quality field only attracts the attention of a limited number of people, mostly athletics/running fans like those of us who frequent forums like this, it wouldnt move the general public very much or indeed most of the field of runners in Dublin. I dont believe the race as an event suffered last year because of the absence of overseas runners and indeed support on the course was probably at an all time high. The organisers must get the balance right between promoting a quality event and promoting a quality race, if they concentrate too much on one the other suffers. I think they do a good job, Dublin as an event is at least a match for overseas marathons I have ran. As a race of course it cant compete with the big ones but I believe it strikes a good balance.


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    #111
    RayCun
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    From the point of view of the best Irish runners, internationals who are more than 10 minutes faster might as well not be in the same race, but people who are 5 minutes faster might drag them along?


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    #112
    average_runner
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    ultrapercy wrote: »
    I dont think the course profile is a major issue. The issue is money, if the price is right the best runners would run on the moon. NY is a tough course but attracts a top field because of its elite budget. The Dublin Marathon must budget their limited funds in a way that they believe is best for the race. A high quality field only attracts the attention of a limited number of people, mostly athletics/running fans like those of us who frequent forums like this, it wouldnt move the general public very much or indeed most of the field of runners in Dublin. I dont believe the race as an event suffered last year because of the absence of overseas runners and indeed support on the course was probably at an all time high. The organisers must get the balance right between promoting a quality event and promoting a quality race, if they concentrate too much on one the other suffers. I think they do a good job, Dublin as an event is at least a match for overseas marathons I have ran. As a race of course it cant compete with the big ones but I believe it strikes a good balance.

    Was going to mention the money but last time i did that, there was war here!!


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    #113
    GoTheDistance
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    RayCun wrote: »
    From the point of view of the best Irish runners, internationals who are more than 10 minutes faster might as well not be in the same race, but people who are 5 minutes faster might drag them along?

    Im not so sure. If you're a 2:20 guy and someone comes over to DCM to run 2:15 (lets say they hit their target) then what knock on effect would it have on you the 2:20 guy. I'm not sure it would change anything.

    As other posters have said maybe the time of year doesn't fit with the plans of elite athletes say from Western Europe. Youve just had Berlin, Chicago Amsterdam is this Sunday then you have NYC Marathon after Dublin. Those other four marathons have very deep pockets. DCM does a great job with the budget it has.


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    #114
    Sacksian
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    GoTheDistance wrote: »
    Im not so sure. If you're a 2:20 guy and someone comes over to DCM to run 2:15 (lets say they hit their target) then what knock on effect would it have on you the 2:20 guy. I'm not sure it would change anything.

    As other posters have said maybe the time of year doesn't fit with the plans of elite athletes say from Western Europe. Youve just had Berlin, Chicago Amsterdam is this Sunday then you have NYC Marathon after Dublin. Those other four marathons have very deep pockets. DCM does a great job with the budget it has.

    Even for mere mortals, 5 mins is a big gap and the nearer the pointy end you get, the bigger a gap it becomes.

    I thought last year was a really good event and my impression was that the idea of domestic elites racing each other at the front of it seemed to capture the spectators' imaginations.


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    #115
    RayCun
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    Sacksian wrote: »
    Even for mere mortals, 5 mins is a big gap and the nearer the pointy end you get, the bigger a gap it becomes.

    Yeah, but their PB might be five minutes faster, maybe they won't be on the day.

    I'm just thinking out loud really, but if Dublin marathon is inviting international elites, what would be the benefit of bringing over Endeshaw Negesse?
    Will it increase press coverage or spectator interest in Ireland? Don't think so
    Will more people decide to run, from Ireland or abroad? No
    Will it get more foreign press coverage? Maybe marginally
    Would he cost more to bring over? Hell yes

    Its good (I think we all agree) for the best runners in Ireland to be challenged in the race by better runners from abroad. Is there any advantage to those runners being 10 minutes faster than the best in Ireland instead of 5 minutes faster?


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    #116
    dublin runner
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    Sacksian wrote: »
    I thought last year was a really good event and my impression was that the idea of domestic elites racing each other at the front of it seemed to capture the spectators' imaginations.

    Yes, it was. Great to see the winners photos in most newspapers etc. I think the novelty may wear of though.

    Many bemoan the 'demise' of distance running in this county compared to decades ago. By not bringing over top elites is this helping? Is it not a false reality?

    Love our hate it, the marathon had changed. Paying elites money to run is now the norm for the vast majority of big city marathons.


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    #117
    tang1
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    Put whatever money used for elites into the Marathon Mission project, give Irelands best better training facilities, gear, training camps etc. Something like that would surely bring on the runners on and lower there times.


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    #118
    Netwerk Errer
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    Ghost in Cratloe wrote: »
    Quick Update on the Elite Field for the fall bank holiday showpiece.

    Freddy Keron Sittuk: 2:12
    Lezan Kimutai: 2:13
    Peter Somba: debut as far as I am aware although he has ran sub 30 for 10km.
    Paul Koech Kimutai: 62 /2:15 at Eldoret Marathon

    plus the token Russian

    2014 times:

    Freddy Keron: 2.18

    Lezan Kimutai: 2.25

    Peter Brandon: 1.08 half

    Paul Koech: No race history since 2012. A 2.15 in 2011 at high altitude in 2011.

    Sergiu Ciobanu: 2.17

    Paddy Hamilton: 1.06 half

    Gary O hanlon: 2.22

    Brian Maher: 1.07 half

    Eoin Flynn: 1.10 half

    Brian mac mahon: ?

    Eddie Mc Ginley: 1.06 half

    Barry Minnock: ?

    I think that's everyone covered on the men's side.

    EDIT: forgot Sokolov: 2.17


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    #119
    tang1
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    Mick Clohissy? Is he running it do we know?


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    youngrun
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    Netwerk Errer wrote: »
    2014 times:

    Freddy Keron: 2.18

    Lezan Kimutai: 2.25

    Peter Brandon: 1.08 half

    Paul Koech: No race history since 2012. A 2.15 in 2011 at high altitude in 2011.

    Sergiu Ciobanu: 2.17

    Paddy Hamilton: 1.06 half

    Gary O hanlon: 2.22

    Brian Maher: 1.07 half

    Eoin Flynn: 1.10 half

    Brian mac mahon: ?

    Eddie Mc Ginley: 1.06 half

    Barry Minnock: ?

    I think that's everyone covered on the men's side.

    Could be fairly close so between a few of the above by the looks of it ? Will the likes of Joe Mac or Christie run it? Sergiu probably in my view favourite -just ,over Freddy, if all goes well on the day for him


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    #121
    Ghost in Cratloe
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    Netwerk Errer wrote: »
    2014 times:

    Freddy Keron: 2.18

    Lezan Kimutai: 2.25

    Peter Brandon: 1.08 half

    Paul Koech: No race history since 2012. A 2.15 in 2011 at high altitude in 2011.

    .

    Freddy Keron did just enough to win in Belfast, likewise with Kimutai and Brandon in Limerick. For example Brandon outkicked the Claw in the Samsung 10km night run last April in 30 minutes flat. These guys can run faster when required.


    Paul Koech Kimutai ran 2.16 last year for the marathon. But more interesting he ran 64 minutes in Brazil last May for the half in extreme humidity. Big Turd would not like the level of your research skills!


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