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Will Ron Paul Win In 2012?

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  • #102
    matthew8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    Memnoch wrote: »
    It seems like a valid question to ask what you think a libertarian society will look like.

    Because there isn't really a consistent philosophy of what constitutes the movement. (like any other movement really) Communism for example can sound great in theory, but has failed to work in its implementation. I also believe we are rapidly approaching the point where society will acknowledge the failure of representative democracy and transition to some form of more direct democracy, though it may take a couple more centuries for this to happen.

    Look at Ron and Rand Paul. Both claim to be libertarians but espouse quite different views. I have great respect for the father but find the son totally intolerable.

    At the end of the day, if you are advocating libertarianism as a philosophy to be embraced you shouldn't be afraid to to discuss it openly and be challenged upon it.

    People have legitimate concerns about these. To you these are 'holes,' to be poked. If their concerns are based on a misunderstanding, you'll have the opportunity to clarify. If their concerns are justified then maybe you should rethink your position. But pushing your head into the sand and running away from debate you're not going to convince anyone that this is a good idea.

    Well there are at least 10 types of libertarianism. Capitalism-libertarianism, soicalism-libertarian, anarcho-libertarianism are a few. My image of a libertarian society is one where the only tax is income tax and at a lower rate for the working man. For Ron Paul it is the flipside of this. No income tax and other taxes at a lower rate. Libertarian society generally hates the idea of free money so many libertarians want to scrap social welfare (I think that they should work for the dole and that we should keep child benefit to prevent our population lowering).


  • #103
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Soldie wrote: »
    This thread is not about me; it's about Ron Paul. I see little point in debating with people who repeatedly resort to deliberate misrepresentation and caricature [in this case I'm referring to 20Cent]. As evidenced by his failure even to understand the basics of libertarianism, it's clear to me that 20Cent has no interest in debating the topic honestly; he's more interested in taking pot shots, and I know this because he does it all the time (recent example). Some people have patience and will take the bait; I'm not one of them, so I'll leave it there.

    What is wrong with the statement?
    Libertariuanism is ignored in real life pretty much. The most prominent one is Ron Paul even Fox news think he's crazy. You do come across more libertarians online than anywhere else. Can you name a well known libertarian in Ireland or even Europe I can't!!

    Anyway this thread has almost come full circle all that is left is for Permabear to post a link to an 18th century Austrian that no one has ever heard of and express dismay that we have not all read his complete works.


  • #104
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Soldie wrote: »
    As evidenced by his failure even to understand the basics of libertarianism, it's clear to me that 20Cent has no interest in debating the topic honestly; he's more interested in taking pot shots,

    Me too!

    I rate libertarianism right up there with scientology.


  • #105
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    20Cent wrote: »
    What is wrong with the statement?
    Libertariuanism is ignored in real life pretty much.

    You're just a disgruntled socio-neo-liberal-conservative, but a hundred years ago you would have been an anarcho-capitalist.

    :eek:


  • #106
    norbert64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭norbert64


    Libertarianism in action perhaps? :confused:

    On July 1, the University of Michigan will become the state's first big university to ban smoking on its campus
    http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=news/local&id=8188341
    http://www.annarbor.com/news/university-of-michigan-gets-ready-to-go-totally-smoke-free-on-campus/


  • #107
    gargleblaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭gargleblaster


    RockinRolla wrote: »
    I think the world is worried and define him as the only one on Earth that can change things. If he wins, Earth, as we know it, will change forever with his libertarianism.

    Thoughts?

    :pac:

    That's a joke, right?

    This guy isn't getting anywhere near the nomination. If he did by some miracle manage to gain any traction, Mitt Romney's backers would simply leak his old racist newsletters and spread his more off-the-wall comments.


  • #108
    rocksteady36
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭rocksteady36


    I think Ron Paul is doing a lot better this time round. He is aiming to win the Ames Iowa Straw Poll. If he does its going to change everything.

    I reckon that the republicans will do their best to fuk it up for him, they don't want him to change the colonial poilicies and broken FIAT Monetary system. Bearing in mind he is a libertarian in a republican party. He will probably re-join the libertarian party if he doesnt get anywhere this time.

    I love this video clip from 2008....Watch McCain and Romney squirm...These boys will pull together to try and trip Ron Paul up.

    August 13th Ames Straw Poll debate will be a watershed. But for all the posters who claim he hasnt got a chance I dont think thats a clear cut as you think..

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/25/paul-gets-big-endorsement-ahead-of-crucial-iowa-contest/

    "Ames, Iowa (CNN) - Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has fresh bragging rights after picking up what is surely a coveted endorsement on Monday.


    Cory Adams - the Republican chairman of Story County in Iowa – endorsed the Texas congressman's presidential bid at a campaign event in Ames, Iowa." Lots of credible people bringing Ron Paul in from the cold.

    Ron Paul.."We have a foreign policy to bomb bridges abroad, then we tax the people to go over a rebuild the bridges when our bridges are falling down"..Says it all..


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=denwLR6Qmfo



    His so called racist crap, was probably the competition who wrote the stuff and gave it out, he has so many independent supporters that he has little if any contact, so its a easy way to sabotage him. But he gave a good account of the racist bull on TV


  • #109
    matthew8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    Ron Paul is at 16% in a recent Iowa poll, which is not where you would expect him to be strong. He has a great chance.


  • #110
    gargleblaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭gargleblaster


    rocksteady36 wrote: »
    His so called racist crap, was probably the competition who wrote the stuff and gave it out, he has so many independent supporters that he has little if any contact, so its a easy way to sabotage him. But he gave a good account of the racist bull on TV

    The competition cleverly planted it in his own newsletter? How's that work?

    Or are you calling Lew Rockwell competition? Because he's not, he's one of Paul's friends and advisors. Most of Paul's backers try extremely hard to push the "Lew did it" story. Whatever the truth is, if Paul got anywhere close to the nomination we'd all be treated to extensive discussions about the racist and anti-gay contents of those newsletters along with a renewed effort to find out how such vile things could be published under his name without his having the faintest idea about it. And that's just for starters.


  • #111
    matthew8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    Ron Paul at 14% in today's USAToday poll, Palin wasn't included. I am growing in confidence that Ron Paul can do this. There's no evidence that Ron Paul himself is a racist, so shut up. I guess using gargleblaster's logic all of Obama's supporters think he'll pay for their gas and mortgage.


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  • #112
    gargleblaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭gargleblaster


    matthew8 wrote: »
    Ron Paul at 14% in today's USAToday poll, Palin wasn't included. I am growing in confidence that Ron Paul can do this. There's no evidence that Ron Paul himself is a racist, so shut up. I guess using gargleblaster's logic all of Obama's supporters think he'll pay for their gas and mortgage.

    :pac:

    Don't shoot the messenger, buddy!


  • #113
    Overheal
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    gargleblaster wrote: »
    :pac:

    Don't shoot the messenger, buddy!
    Then, do you have a link to support the racism accusation?


  • #114
    RichieC
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Then, do you have a link to support the racism accusation?

    http://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-10/politics/paul.newsletters_1_newsletters-blacks-whites?_s=PM:POLITICS
    A series of newsletters in the name of GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul contain several racist remarks -- including one that says order was restored to Los Angeles after the 1992 riots when blacks went "to pick up their welfare checks."

    CNN recently obtained the newsletters -- written in the 1990s and one from the late 1980s -- after a report was published about their existence in The New Republic.

    None of the newsletters CNN found says who wrote them, but each was published under Paul's name between his stints as a U.S. congressman from Texas.


  • #115
    matthew8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    RichieC wrote: »
    http://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-10/politics/paul.newsletters_1_newsletters-blacks-whites?_s=PM:POLITICS

    It's not evidence that he himself is a racist.


  • #116
    gargleblaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭gargleblaster


    Overheal wrote: »
    Then, do you have a link to support the racism accusation?

    WTF, are you serious?

    I thought people in here would be more wonkish, honestly.

    This isn't news. He's been battling questions about the racist and homophobic contents of his newsletter for years, FFS.

    matthew8 wrote: »
    It's not evidence that he himself is a racist.

    Doesn't anyone here know how to play this game? Did I say he was a racist? If I did, I misspoke. The issue isn't whether or not he is. It's dragging his name through the mud.

    Surely you've noticed in past campaigns how dirt is dug up and paraded. Nobody has to come out and say he's a racist. They'll just mention the fact that after all these years, the issue of how that stuff came to be published under his name has still not been figured out. They'll insinuate that either he's an incompetent leader (for not knowing what's being done under his supposed supervision) or that he actually does support those views.


  • #117
    Overheal
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    It wouldn't be the first time Racism was levied about on the campaign trail. Many times unsuccessfully. Not to mention other forms of dirt - like the POTUS's association with Reverend Wright, and Bill Ayers. And that whole ACORN spiel.


  • #118
    gargleblaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭gargleblaster


    Yes, exactly. We have now established what 'dirt' is and how it's used.

    Campaign Politics 101.


  • #119
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Well yes thats my point, that this shouldnt be a major hindrance to his campaign.


  • #120
    gargleblaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭gargleblaster


    These non-issues are always hindrances. That's why politicians care about them and take pains to avoid them. They have enough trouble trying to sell their message to enough people to be regarded as serious condenders without having to deal with this kind of stuff.

    For a politician like Ron Paul, it's practically a DOA stamp. Even mainstream, well-supported politicians worry about this stuff. For third-party candidates who are starting from behind it's much worse. For instance, consider Howard Dean's candidacy and the way it collapsed.


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  • #121
    Overheal
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    Im not even familiar with that candidate.... hmm, maybe I see your point :pac:


  • #122
    Richard tea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Richard tea


    This is a short vid from the jon stewart show. It shows how the MSM are ignoring Ron Paul. I noticed it myself on Irish radio the other day.

    http://gawker.com/5831167/


  • #123
    Overheal
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    Beat me to it :mad:

    The video is worth everyone viewing. CNN, FOX, etc. all blatantly ignoring Ron Paul to the point of their own lunacy.

    "A new Gallup survey showing Rick Perry running second to Mitt Romney - knocking down favorite Michelle Bachman to 4th" - No mention of the 3rd runner in the poll: Ron Paul.
    Jon Stewart wrote:
    What's wrong with [Ron Paul]? He is Tea Party Patient Zero. All that small government, grassroots business? He planted that grass. These other folks? They're just moral majorities in a tri-cornered hat.

    CNN: "[Paul, Reporter]: Right now live next to the bus behind us, Ron Paul is speaking. And 7 of the candidates are here today. We have live pictures of Ron Paul - but you know what, we're talking about Sarah Palin we're talking about Rick Perry, the two people not in the race yet, Drew.

    [Drew, Anchor]: And guess what Paul, if you get video of Sarah Palin, or get a soundbyte from her: bring that back to us. You can hold the Ron Paul stuff. Hur hur hur

    [Paul nods]"


  • #124
    gargleblaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭gargleblaster


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73797355&postcount=76

    Sinking in yet?

    Now consider how the tea party really started, and who will be pulling the strings if any of those candidates got the top spot. Nobody would pull Ron Paul's strings, which is why he will not be treated as a serious candidate, and if he does get any traction, out come the knives.


  • #125
    matthew8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    gargleblaster wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73797355&postcount=76

    Sinking in yet?

    Now consider how the tea party really started, and who will be pulling the strings if any of those candidates got the top spot. Nobody would pull Ron Paul's strings, which is why he will not be treated as a serious candidate, and if he does get any traction, out come the knives.

    Well Ron Paul is poised to come second or better in Iowa which will be a good result. His views on civil liberties should go down well in NY and CAL while his states rights ideas will be popular in the south.

    While people keep on saying he has no chance, he keeps rising in the polls.


  • #126
    Overheal
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    He finished Second, 200 votes behind Bachman, and a couple Thousand votes ahead of any other candidate.

    I expect late nights like Jon Stewart to keep pointing these media hypocrisies out though. Stewart alone has a shocking amount of sway. People listen to him, even the Media which at times has been so threatened by him they've tried (and failed) to smear him. But they still watch him and make responses to his show on air. Because they can't really ignore him. Even if they did he'd probably organize another rally on Washington.


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  • #127
    matthew8
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    Overheal wrote: »
    He finished Second, 200 votes behind Bachman, and a couple Thousand votes ahead of any other candidate.

    I'm really liking the introduction of this Perry guy. He will take votes from Bachmann's religious crusaders and Romney's fans who want jobs. Hopefully not too many though, hopefully he will become a target for republicans to knock. Hopefully Huntsman can also take votes off the frontrunners.


  • #128
    Richard tea
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    When do we find out who the Republican Presidential Nominee is?

    I have 20 quid on Ron Paul @25/1:D


  • #129
    matthew8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    Richard tea wrote: »
    When do we find out who the Republican Presidential Nominee is?

    I have 20 quid on Ron Paul @25/1:D

    If Ron Paul wins it could go down to the last state. Iowa is make or break for Paul and Bachmann, Bachmann needs to win, Paul needs a very strong third or better. NH is make or break for Romney and Huntsman (and Gary Johnson for those of you who still hope for a 2 term governor who produced a budget surplus and led the nation in job creation) but Bachmann and Paul must avoid a drubbing. Rick Perry must also put in a decent showing there. SC will be big for Perry, Gingrich and Cain as they try to capture the southern republican vote. Romney will win Michigan, Paul has Nevada in the bag, Florida should knock off one candidate (It killed Giuliani last time so I'll go for Perry) and then we have a few big days. Super Tuesday now only has 9 states, compared to super duper tuesday which last time had 24 states. The Northeast is having one big day for all their primaries and the south are moving their's forward.

    If it's anyone but Paul, we should know by Florida. If it's Paul, it aint over until the fat lady sings.

    One funny thing is intrade, the US politics betting firm, gives Gary Johnson as much of a chance as Herman Cain and Rick Santorum, which is surprising because he gets no coverage (perhaps because he openly criticises Bush).


  • #130
    imported_guy
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    matthew8 wrote: »
    One funny thing is intrade, the US politics betting firm, gives Gary Johnson as much of a chance as Herman Cain and Rick Santorum, which is surprising because he gets no coverage (perhaps because he openly criticises Bush).

    i was surprised by how much gary and ron have in common, we have to wait and see though, bachmann wont last long, she'll run out of money, romney is a mormon, you can forget about him ever being president. rick perry is the only real threat to ron paul this election. i have to say it is looking REALLY good for him, but ofcourse the establishment will do WHATEVER they can to keep him from getting the nomination, hes getting ZERO airtime on fox, and you need time on fox to win a GOP nomination.

    ron paul needs to pick a running mate EARLY he has a decent pool to pick from

    jesse ventura
    rand paul (he has ALOT of support in the tea party)
    gary johnson
    andrew nepolitano
    ....
    dare I say it...? sarah palin :/, I have to say... whoever picks her as a running mate will win the nomination. (that doesnt mean if she decides to run herself she will win, she wont lol).


  • #131
    matthew8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    imported_guy wrote: »
    i was surprised by how much gary and ron have in common, we have to wait and see though, bachmann wont last long, she'll run out of money, romney is a mormon, you can forget about him ever being president. rick perry is the only real threat to ron paul this election. i have to say it is looking REALLY good for him, but ofcourse the establishment will do WHATEVER they can to keep him from getting the nomination, hes getting ZERO airtime on fox, and you need time on fox to win a GOP nomination.

    The media really fear Ron Paul but Fox seem to like him more than other stations. He has Glenn Beck (!) and John Stossel's support and is a favourite on Fox business. The only person who seems to like him on Fox news is Neil Cavuto.

    Does anyone know that if Ron Paul goes to the conference with 900 delegates, Mitt with say 700 and Perry with say 400 can Mitt and Perry combine their votes against Paul?


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  • #132
    Suryavarman
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    imported_guy wrote: »
    i was surprised by how much gary and ron have in common, we have to wait and see though, bachmann wont last long, she'll run out of money, romney is a mormon, you can forget about him ever being president. rick perry is the only real threat to ron paul this election. i have to say it is looking REALLY good for him, but ofcourse the establishment will do WHATEVER they can to keep him from getting the nomination, hes getting ZERO airtime on fox, and you need time on fox to win a GOP nomination.

    ron paul needs to pick a running mate EARLY he has a decent pool to pick from

    jesse ventura
    rand paul (he has ALOT of support in the tea party)
    gary johnson
    andrew nepolitano
    ....
    dare I say it...? sarah palin :/, I have to say... whoever picks her as a running mate will win the nomination. (that doesnt mean if she decides to run herself she will win, she wont lol).

    I wouldn't consider Perry a threat, I think everyone is going to gang up on him and with 3 debates next month, his campaign could be in trouble quickly. People dropping out once they start doing badly is going to have a huge effect on voting as well and not in Ron Paul's favour.

    I don't think he can pick a running mate until after the nominations are over. Jesse Ventura said he wouldn't run with Ron on a Republican ticket. Gary Johnson would be an interesting pick and my preferred pick. Rand or Napolitano would be interesting just to watch them tear chunks of Biden in the debates. I'd imagine Rand will be left in the senate to be Ron's "ears on the ground". Don't know too much about Napolitano's political ambitions but apparently he's a favourite amongst Ron Paul's supporters.


  • #133
    deepertheroots
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    Most Republican candidates will be fighting each other for their votes, while Ron Paul offers the voters something completely different, his votes won't get diluted by Perry and possibly Palin, Giuliani or whatever other puppet decides to run! Bachmann is from Iowa, and she only bet Paul by 152 votes in a poll in her own state! Paul got more votes than Perry in a Texas poll a few months ago! The media can ignore him all they want, but the polls won't!

    A nice quote from the Washington Post:
    ''Paul is a strange breed of candidate, only visible to the pure in heart.''

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/what-about-ron-paul/2011/08/16/gIQA2YPlJJ_blog.html


  • #134
    imported_guy
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    deepertheroots wrote: »
    Most Republican candidates will be fighting each other for their votes, while Ron Paul offers the voters something completely different, his votes won't get diluted by Perry and possibly Palin, Giuliani

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/what-about-ron-paul/2011/08/16/gIQA2YPlJJ_blog.html
    you know, Ron Paul supporters are very HARDCORE and loyal, but there aren't that many of them. he needs to pull the grassroots back from bachmann, gary johnson, palin etc etc, the only MAJOR "pure establishment" candidates are probably perry and romney (and you can always forget about romney since hes a mormon, when push comes to shove and others use that card against him hes not going anywhere) oh and dont forget when the romneycare card is used as well. mitt romney isnt going ANYWHERE this race, he is just wasting money.


  • #135
    deepertheroots
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭deepertheroots


    imported_guy wrote: »
    you know, Ron Paul supporters are very HARDCORE and loyal, but there aren't that many of them. he needs to pull the grassroots back from bachmann, gary johnson, palin etc etc, the only MAJOR "pure establishment" candidates are probably perry and romney (and you can always forget about romney since hes a mormon, when push comes to shove and others use that card against him hes not going anywhere) oh and dont forget when the romneycare card is used as well. mitt romney isnt going ANYWHERE this race, he is just wasting money.
    Yea I agree Romney will get eaten alive in the next few debates, and his votes will go to Perry! Gary Johnson's votes will hopefully go to Paul, but they may go to Bachmann! I doubt Palin or Giuliani will enter, and the rest like Gingrich and Santorum haven't got enough support! I'm afraid Perry will be nominated because of the media coverage he will get and the big endorsements he will get from bankers and billionaires in Bilderburg.


  • #136
    imported_guy
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    deepertheroots wrote: »
    Yea I agree Romney will get eaten alive in the next few debates, and his votes will go to Perry! Gary Johnson's votes will hopefully go to Paul, but they may go to Bachmann! I doubt Palin or Giuliani will enter, and the rest like Gingrich and Santorum haven't got enough support! I'm afraid Perry will be nominated because of the media coverage he will get and the big endorsements he will get from bankers and billionaires in Bilderburg.
    the one thing that can get paul elected is if we get the tea party out on the streets again... its been MONTHS since we heard about a big tea party rally etc.


  • #137
    imported_guy
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    this might come as a shocker to some people here.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,921912-1,00.html


  • #138
    imported_guy
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    deepertheroots wrote: »
    Yea I agree Romney will get eaten alive
    think hes eating himself alive right now

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2h8ujX6T0A


    5ul8w3.jpg


  • #139
    deepertheroots
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭deepertheroots


    ''Corporations are people'', that mormon Romney is delusional!


  • #140
    matthew8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    deepertheroots wrote: »
    ''Corporations are people'', that mormon Romney is delusional!

    How so? It's not like there is some massive corporation-machine that all the profit goes to.


  • #141
    imported_guy
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    matthew8 wrote: »
    How so? It's not like there is some massive corporation-machine that all the profit goes to.
    nope it all goes to the so called poor black and hispanic folk who eat from gold pots rather than living on food stamps. :rolleyes:


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  • #142
    matthew8
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    imported_guy wrote: »
    nope it all goes to the so called poor black and hispanic folk who eat from gold pots rather than living on food stamps. :rolleyes:

    So only blacks and hispanics are people now? If the money doesn't go to them then it doesn't go to people is what you seem to be saying.


  • #143
    imported_guy
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    matthew8 wrote: »
    So only blacks and hispanics are people now? If the money doesn't go to them then it doesn't go to people is what you seem to be saying.
    i was being sarcastic, romney's answer back fired because of how he phrased it, if you tax corporations people lose jobs because the corporations will just move. how ever red necks intepret big corporations differently, they view it more as only a select few benifit from being on coroporations' side which is probably true because america is capitalist after all, if unemployed blacks and hispanics profited from big corporations, wouldnt it be more socialist?


  • #144
    deepertheroots
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭deepertheroots


    matthew8 wrote: »
    How so? It's not like there is some massive corporation-machine that all the profit goes to.

    the people are individuals, their not groups or corporations!


  • #145
    Geekness1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Geekness1234


    It really depends on what happens between now and 2012, if a double dip recession occurs barrack Obama could be blamed for mistakesin handling the economy.


  • #146
    gargleblaster
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    Corporate personhood is not about taxes. Romney stepped in it bigtime with that one. The issue is a sore spot on the left and right.

    Giving corporations the same rights as people gives them an advantage over actual citizens. The very idea of it is frankly abhorrent on its face.


  • #147
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    gargleblaster wrote: »
    Corporate personhood is not about taxes. Romney stepped in it bigtime with that one. The issue is a sore spot on the left and right.

    Giving corporations the same rights as people gives them an advantage over actual citizens. The very idea of it is frankly abhorrent on its face.
    deepertheroots wrote: »
    the people are individuals, their not groups or corporations!
    deepertheroots wrote: »
    ''Corporations are people'', that mormon Romney is delusional!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

    The laws of the United States hold that a legal entity (like a corporation or non-profit organization) shall be treated under the law as a person except when otherwise noted. This rule of construction is specified in 1 U.S.C. §1 (United States Code),[14] which states:
    In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, unless the context indicates otherwise-- the words "person" and "whoever" include corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals;

    Far from a new concept.

    He phrased his argument poorly yet it's clear he was trying to include corporations into his policy of not raising taxes. Ultimately I think he displayed an understanding of federal law on the matter and more importantly, the reasons behind it.


  • #148
    deepertheroots
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭deepertheroots


    Another poll win for the Paulmeister

    http://hampton-northhampton.patch.com/articles/nh-straw-poll-winners


  • #149
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    deepertheroots wrote: »
    Another poll win for the Paulmeister

    http://hampton-northhampton.patch.com/articles/nh-straw-poll-winners
    Ron Paul: 35% of the vote

    Runner up Romney - 10% !


  • #150
    deepertheroots
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭deepertheroots


    Overheal wrote: »
    Ron Paul: 35% of the vote

    Runner up Romney - 10% !

    Yea Romney 10% (the so-called frontrunner), Perry 8% and Bachmann 5%! These 3 are the media's TOP TIER, and Ron Paul got nearly DOUBLE of the three COMBINED!


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  • #151
    Carcharodon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭Carcharodon


    matthew8 wrote: »
    So only blacks and hispanics are people now? If the money doesn't go to them then it doesn't go to people is what you seem to be saying.

    Jebus, come back when you actually see and I mean really really see how the world works, some people just seem to be oblivious to it.


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