Handwriting decipher thread must post link to full page

pinkypinky · 11-08-2016 2:16pm

Agree on Kilrush, Ballandra and Bacon. Not totally sure about the maiden name. It could be a weird G. The writer makes his r in two different ways across the document.

mickmackey1 · 11-08-2016 2:38pm

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPCK-KHM

Edward Nowlan
Ireland Births and Baptisms
Name Edward Nowlan
Gender Male
Birth Date 16 Jan 1868
Birthplace Wexford, Ireland
Father's Name Thomas Nowlan
Mother's Name Mary Crimeen

oceanclub · 11-08-2016 2:40pm

mickmackey1 wrote: »

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPCK-KHM

Thanks! I'd already had that actually, so decided to get the actual transcript to see if any more information of if I could work out the name from there....

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oceanclub · 11-08-2016 2:48pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Agree on Kilrush, Ballandra and Bacon. Not totally sure about the maiden name. It could be a weird G. The writer makes his r in two different ways across the document.

Thanks; it's weird as Ballandra & Wexford turns up no sensible Google hits at all. Searching for any variation of the word, I get Mexico. :-\

I did a search on the Index of Townlands; the closest to it is "Ballyandrew". Possible?

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shanew · 11-08-2016 3:48pm

Ballyandrew sounds good to me - definitely fits in terms of being in Kilrush civil parish, Enniscorthy registration district and Ferns sub-district, as per the cert

shanew · 11-08-2016 4:46pm

possible a mix-up with mother's first name ... a baptism on the 17th Jan 1868 in Kilrush & Askmore RC parish, of a 'Ned' Nolan, parents Tom Nolan and Alice Crimeen.

I think the address on that baptism is a reference to the townland of Moneydurtlow, also in Kilrush civil parish and adjacent to Ballyandrew townland.

Hermy · 13-08-2016 10:29pm

The fifth entry from the bottom on the left hand page is the marriage of Francis Masterson and Bridget McGrath.
At the top of the same page there is a note relating to this marriage.
Can anyone tell me what the note might be referring to?

mickmackey1 · 13-08-2016 11:00pm

Possibly referring to the baptisms of Masterson and McGrath in the same parish, which the priest had located in the Baptismal Book?

Hermy · 13-08-2016 11:31pm

Looks like see 6th page (after the baptisms) of the baptismal book...

mickmackey1 · 13-08-2016 11:37pm

Yep, in otherwords you'll see the names of Masterson and Mcgrath on the 6th page of the baptismal book, after their baptism. I've seen several notes like that, Joe Bloggs baptised in 1860 and then in the margin: Joe Bloggs was married in 1885.

Hermy · 13-08-2016 11:59pm

There's a likely entry for Francis on what I think is page 5 but no McGrath's.

montgo · 14-08-2016 2:06pm

Help please on Bridget's surname (sponsor) for this baptism of Mary Brien on 27 March 1847. (2nd record from top of left hand page).

spurious · 14-08-2016 2:20pm

Cosgreve?

Plenty of Cosgraves in Moanmore in the 1901 census, so it possibly became that, or was that.

montgo · 14-08-2016 2:51pm

Thanks spurious, it could well be Cosgrave. However, I can't find any Cosgraves recorded on the Emly census, were you referring to Moanmore, Dromwood?

spurious · 14-08-2016 8:25pm

montgo wrote: »

Thanks spurious, it could well be Cosgrave. However, I can't find any Cosgraves recorded on the Emly census, were you referring to Moanmore, Dromwood?

There are two Moanmores in Tipp? Ah rats, my mistake. I still think it's Cosgreve/Cosgrave though.

oceanclub · 19-08-2016 7:13pm

There's a record of a James Moloney baptism here, but I note there have been notes on marriage after & before the entry which I wonder are of interest?

http://i.imgur.com/wy7JzT5.png

The top one looks like "Married Newport February 1921", while the bottom reads "Married <something> <something> 1916". Anyone hazard a guess which entry is associated with James and what the missing words are (if it's that entry)?

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oceanclub · 23-08-2016 1:05am

Another one here:

http://i.imgur.com/XqVima2.png

Anyone know what place of death reads? Or profession? Or last line of 8? Or last line of 9 (looks like same as place of death)

Also this marriage cert:

http://i.imgur.com/CqycCe8.png

I presume the residence reads "Portobello Barracks"? Think the groom's is just H. Newns. But what about the witnesses - Joseph ???? and Agnes Bloomfield?

Thanks.

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mickmackey1 · 23-08-2016 1:46am

Place of death - Foiladera (near Doon)
Profession - farmer
Duration of illness - 1 mo. 1 week app (?)
Probably Foiladera also.

montgo · 23-08-2016 1:47am

Looks like =
Place- Foilaclera (Doon which was probably in the District of Grean/Pallasgreen)
Profession - farmer

On the baptism record, (sometimes easier to see the whole page), it would appear to be James who married in Newport. I'm not sure if Newport is in the Nenagh district, if so this could be the marriage.

Party 1 Name James MOLONEY
Party 2 Name BRIDGET RYAN
Date of Event 20 February 1921
Group Registration ID 1233449
SR District/Reg Area Nenagh

pinkypinky · 23-08-2016 9:42am

Joseph Sipan?

Agree father's first name is just given as H.
Agree Agnes Bloomfield.

spurious · 23-08-2016 11:39am

Last line of 8 is 'No med. att.' No medical attendance.

On the marriage cert. the groom's name looks like Newvis. In both his and the father's name there is a clear 'dot' over an 'i'.

**edit Might be a long shot, but there is a Sidney and Esther Newns in the Dagenham, Sussex electoral rolls of 1964 (qualifying date 10th October, 1963).

oceanclub · 23-08-2016 12:54pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Joseph Sipan?

Agree father's first name is just given as H.
Agree Agnes Bloomfield.

The surname Spain rings a bell...

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KildareFan · 23-08-2016 2:46pm

Sydney Harold Newns military record:
Sidney Harold
Last name Newns
Age 30
Birth year 1889
Service number 9285
Regiment Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment)
Unit / Battalion 2nd Battalion
Year 1919
Residence town Dublin
Residence county Dublin
Residence country Ireland
Series WO 363
Series description WO 363 - First World War service records 'burnt documents'
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military Service & Conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from United Kingdom

KildareFan · 23-08-2016 3:02pm

Sergt Sydney Harold Newns's record is on findmypast
Born 1889, lived at 16 Hereford Park, Bexley, York; served on SS Kumara from Southhampton, as deckboy, engaged 3 June 1907; engaged as assistant steward on 5 Nov 1907,
enlisted 1908 with a reference from his Rector - had been a choir boy
He was discharged aged 30 on 17 April 1919 address 9 Marlboro Place Dublin, he had gunshot wounds on his head, hand and arms, weekly pension 8/3 to be reviewed in a year; one dependent child
Another discharge on 24 Aug 1919, address 47 South Dock St, Dublin
he was awarded the Victory Medal 1921, medal posted to 9 Marlboro Place, Dublin
there's some correspondence addressed to him
there's a note of change of address to 90 St George's Road, Forest Gate - can't see the address

oceanclub · 23-08-2016 9:50pm

KildareFan wrote: »

Sydney Harold Newns military record:

Collections from United Kingdom

Nice spot - where did you find that?

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oceanclub · 23-08-2016 9:54pm

KildareFan wrote: »

Sergt Sydney Harold Newns's record is on findmypast
Born 1889, lived at 16 Hereford Park, Bexley, York; served on SS Kumara from Southhampton, as deckboy, engaged 3 June 1907; engaged as assistant steward on 5 Nov 1907,
enlisted 1908 with a reference from his Rector - had been a choir boy
He was discharged aged 30 on 17 April 1919 address 9 Marlboro Place Dublin, he had gunshot wounds on his head, hand and arms, weekly pension 8/3 to be reviewed in a year; one dependent child
Another discharge on 24 Aug 1919, address 47 South Dock St, Dublin
he was awarded the Victory Medal 1921, medal posted to 9 Marlboro Place, Dublin
there's some correspondence addressed to him
there's a note of change of address to 90 St George's Road, Forest Gate - can't see the address

Is that from a shared family tree?

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KildareFan · 23-08-2016 10:06pm

Hi Oceanclub

Is that from a shared family tree?

No - all information is from the Findmypast.ie website which hosts data on military records. Let me know if you need any further information.

pinkypinky · 23-08-2016 10:07pm

Mod note: title of thread changed to include any handwriting help deciphering.

Mez1982 · 27-08-2016 6:20pm

Anyone have any idea what the surname that I have circled might be?
I see a y e r. I have no idea what the first letter is..

spurious · 27-08-2016 8:48pm

Byer?

pinkypinky · 27-08-2016 9:05pm

Dyer?

tabbey · 27-08-2016 10:06pm

Mez1982 wrote: »

Anyone have any idea what the surname that I have circled might be?
I see a y e r. I have no idea what the first letter is..

Without seeing more of the handwriting on the page, and without knowing where and what denomination is involved, it is difficult to speculate.

I do not think it starts with B, as this letter appears in the name to the left. I don't think it is D either, H or K seems more like it. Perhaps there should be another letter hidden in the fold of the page.

spurious · 27-08-2016 10:23pm

What county is it from? You could check the 1901 census and see if any of the possibilities are more likely than others.

looksee · 27-08-2016 10:44pm

oceanclub wrote: »

There's a record of a James Moloney baptism here, but I note there have been notes on marriage after & before the entry which I wonder are of interest?

http://i.imgur.com/wy7JzT5.png

The top one looks like "Married Newport February 1921", while the bottom reads "Married <something> <something> 1916". Anyone hazard a guess which entry is associated with James and what the missing words are (if it's that entry)?

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I think the notes are under the names as the next entry seems to overlay the notes. It does not appear that there is any additional entry on the James (initial?) Paul Moloney and Louise Wixted

Hermy · 28-08-2016 9:32am

The first entry on the left hand page is for the baptism of Mary D??? daughter of Farrell Sheridan and Rose Hannon.
Can anyone tell me what they think Mary's second name is?
Would it be Delia?

lottpaul · 28-08-2016 10:05am

Hermy wrote: »

The first entry on the left hand page is for the baptism of Mary D??? daughter of Farrell Sheridan and Rose Hannon.
Can anyone tell me what they think Mary's second name is?
Would it be Delia?

Delia is the only name I can think of that would match that spelling (Diliam)

Hermy · 28-08-2016 10:28am

Yeah, I can't think of anything else it could be but elsewhere she appears to be referred to as Mary Josephine or Mary Josephine Angel so I wondered could I somehow be misreading Diliam for something else.

Mez1982 · 28-08-2016 10:35am

I have uploaded the full page, Could it be a mis spelling of Kerr? The parish is Kinnegad.

Hermy · 28-08-2016 10:39am

Which entry? Right or left page?

Mez1982 · 28-08-2016 10:51am

Apologies, It is the 2nd entry on the top left. I have it circled lightly. It is Cath Clancy and the parents are Edward Clancy and Bid ???

Hermy · 28-08-2016 10:52am

No my apologies - I hadn't noticed the circle.

Hermy · 28-08-2016 10:55am

I'm seeing K-y-e-t which probably doesn't help.

pedroeibar1 · 28-08-2016 11:15am

Hermy wrote: »

The first entry on the left hand page is for the baptism of Mary D??? daughter of Farrell Sheridan and Rose Hannon.
Can anyone tell me what they think Mary's second name is?
Would it be Delia?

I'd go with Delia also (Deliam) but I think Farrell is incorrect - I think the downstroke is a 'g' and it should be 'Fergal' (Fergalli).....although Fergal/Fergil usually is Virgilus in Latin.

Hermy · 28-08-2016 5:50pm

I'm reasonably certain based on other info that the father is Farrell Francis Sheridan though I'd agree with you that it looks much more like Fergal in that record. A transcribed record from Ireland, Selections of Catholic Parish Marriages and Banns, 1742-1884 gives his name as Fergallum whereas the marriage notice in The Nation gives his name as Farrell.

tabbey · 28-08-2016 10:23pm

Hermy wrote: »

I'm reasonably certain based on other info that the father is Farrell Francis Sheridan though I'd agree with you that it looks much more like Fergal in that record. A transcribed record from Ireland, Selections of Catholic Parish Marriages and Banns, 1742-1884 gives his name as Fergallum whereas the marriage notice in The Nation gives his name as Farrell.

Farrell is an anglicised version of Fearghal/Feargal/Fergal.

As for Latin versions, there were almost as many latin spellings/dialects, as there were RC priests using Latin.

Hermy · 28-08-2016 11:56pm

tabbey wrote: »

Farrell is an anglicised version of Fearghal/Feargal/Fergal.

Ah, I did not know that. Thanks tabbey.

oceanclub · 09-09-2016 5:26pm

I have 2 here I'd appreciate a look at:

1) William Walsh:

http://i.imgur.com/FWhz1T4.png

"Date and Place of Birth" August the something, in something Place? (in Dun Laoghaire - looks like Nulty's?)

2) Catherine Walsh:

http://i.imgur.com/t1lGmFp.jpg

Unclear birth date - October the something?

Thanks,

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Hermy · 09-09-2016 6:19pm

1) August Thirty Nulty's Court

shanew · 09-09-2016 6:19pm

oceanclub wrote: »

I have 2 here I'd appreciate a look at:

1) William Walsh:

http://i.imgur.com/FWhz1T4.png

"Date and Place of Birth" August the something, in something Place? (in Dun Laoghaire - looks like Nulty's?)

2) Catherine Walsh:

http://i.imgur.com/t1lGmFp.jpg

Unclear birth date - October the something?

Thanks,

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residence on the first one looks like Nulty's Court - mentioned here as off Cumberland St.

date for the second looks like the sixth

hblock21 · 11-09-2016 8:04pm

Would anyone care to look at the attached register and please tell me what they think are the names of the two men. The marriage is 4th February 1871, its the last one on the right page when you open the link. I would just like to have a second opinion. Thanks.
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632225#page/90/mode/1up

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