Landcruiser 7 seat passenger reg change

101sean wrote: »

That sounds really iffy, surely it will fail it's first NCT/DOE and can't meet EU C&U regulations having a seat with no belt.

Yep I even saw it myself in the showroom and has a little tin plate riveted onto the rear of the center console with something like "Do no use this seat" or similar printed on it!!

I have noticed this also and I am really interested in getting this done. I have a 08 Commercial Landcruiser at present is it possible for to re-install the windows and seats put in the dog guard and get it through? Would be really handy save me having to go out and buy a new jeep and then put it through the test..

101sean wrote: »

Depends on how it was commercialised. If it was done prior to import there should be no seatbelt mounts and a welded in floor plus you'll have difficulty removing window panels . If it was a conversion done after import on a private jeep, not so much may have been wrecked internally.

Thanks Sean. Yes I think it was done by Toyota here when it landed I had a look and it has a welded in floor. I don't mind paying to get it done if the job can be done right can anyone recommend anyone who might be able to help to see if it's possible to commercial -> passenger conversion and carry out the work preferably North Dublin area?

oldsmokey wrote: »

Hi, I did some searching, but can't find answer to this, hope you can help...can a 05 Landcruiser 7 seat have the 2 small rearmost seats removed, and be then re-registered as a commercial?..sounds daft, but I've heard of a few cases where its worked...some change in the law now allows it?
Sorry if this is done to death, cant find info on it.
Thanks

I've just done this with my 97 landcruiser. I took out the third row of seats making it a 5 instead of 8 seater. The seats just bolt out, same with the seatbelts. The holes were covered with chemical metal to ensure they can't be re-installed.

Having 4 anchor points and two eu certified cargo straps negates the need for a bulkhead or dog cage to be installed.

The cargo area has to be 30% of the wheel base ( the distance between the centre of both axles). Also, the back door has to be at least 800 mm high and have a surface area of 12,800 cm. basically if the circumference of the door is grreater than 402 cm you'll be fine.

I've just taxed mine successfully today having had it certified by an engineer and then doe'd.

The measurements above are all in line with the new N1 category vehicles. There is an eu regulation saying from 2011. I'm on my mobile so any link to it, but will do so when I'm on a desktop again.

strange john wrote: »

The cargo area has to be 30% of the wheel base ( the distance between the centre of both axles). Also, the back door has to be at least 800 mm high and have a surface area of 12,800 cm. basically if the circumference of the door is grreater than 402 cm you'll be fine.

The rear door is full with nearly with a extra side part that opens also so top to bottom side to side fully opens.

Thanks for the info going to see can I pick up seats to replace ones that were stripped out.

punisher5112 wrote: »

The rear door is full with nearly with a extra side part that opens also so top to bottom side to side fully opens.

I know the ones you mean.
Get the tape measure out and measure the circumference. I it's over 402 cm you should be fine.

Thanks for the info going to see can I pick up seats to replace ones that were stripped out.

I'd imagine that there are vehicle converters who have seats for scrap following a conversion so that shouldn't be a problem.

strange john wrote: »

I've just done this with my 97 landcruiser. I took out the third row of seats making it a 5 instead of 8 seater. The seats just bolt out, same with the seatbelts. The holes were covered with chemical metal to ensure they can't be re-installed.

Having 4 anchor points and two eu certified cargo straps negates the need for a bulkhead or dog cage to be installed.

The cargo area has to be 30% of the wheel base ( the distance between the centre of both axles). Also, the back door has to be at least 800 mm high and have a surface area of 12,800 cm. basically if the circumference of the door is grreater than 402 cm you'll be fine.

I've just taxed mine successfully today having had it certified by an engineer and then doe'd.

The measurements above are all in line with the new N1 category vehicles. There is an eu regulation saying from 2011. I'm on my mobile so any link to it, but will do so when I'm on a desktop again.

have you got any pics

strange john wrote: »

I do, but can't upload them to this forum. There's really not much to see in the photos. Just unbolted the seats and seatbelts. This was easier than I thought. All bolts were a size 14. One was corroded in a bit and the angle grinder had to be used. Then I covered all the holes with chemical metal To ensure they can't be reused. I also covered the latch points where the seats folded onto on the cargo floor with chemical metal too.

Then I bought two eu certified cargo straps an attached them to the 4 factory installed anchor points. This has to be done to negate the need for a bulkhead. I bought the cargo straps in Halfords. Just make sure that they have the little eu mark on the label.

What forms or paper work is needed

strange john wrote: »

Once you have the work done, you need to find an engineer. There is a list that can be obtained from the revenue.ie or the NSAI website. I'm on my mobile so can't link to it. The engineer you are looking for is called a suitably qualified individual. They will do what's called a test 48: mass and dimensions. I used a guy called tony Devine. He's based near Navan if that's any good. I'd recommend him highly. His phone is (086) 252 3812

Once you have that cert, send your vehicle licencing cert to Shannon with the form in order to change the category to N1 on your vehicle licencing cert. when you get that back with it showing as N1, bring it for DOE then go and tax it. I went backwards when I did mine and it caused problems at the DOE centre.

Thanks a lot for info , I'm getting this sorted thanks again

nu_90 wrote: »

Hey guys, I'm currently driving a 110 defender station wagon . iv removed the two rear seats, just for more space for the dog and kids stuff. I have the middle row three seats.

Its a 95 defender , I know that 2011 station wagons 7 seaters are N1 on logbook from the factory.

So is it only 2011 onwards that this is done , on discovery 4s, land cruisers , pajeros , defenders, etc.

Or can I still do this to mine??

I've done it to a 1997 land cruiser. There's no reason at present why you couldn't do the same to yours, providing the dimensions are correct. I'm fairly sure a 110 defender is big enough.

Don't think that will work on a Defender SW, load space may be big enough but the back door isn't.

From posts further up this thread -

The cargo area has to be 30% of the wheel base ( the distance between the centre of both axles). Also, the back door has to be at least 800 mm high and have a surface area of 12,800 cm. basically if the circumference of the door is grreater than 402 cm you'll be fine.

101sean wrote: »

Don't think that will work on a Defender SW, load space may be big enough but the back door isn't.

From posts further up this thread -

Land cruiser doors are much wider & must be tiny bit taller I'd say.

Getting the tape out in the morning.

If there very strict on rear door size , I'd be a bit sickened. But a five seater land cruiser is very tempting...

peasant wrote: »

I drive a Nissan Pathfinder that would qualify under these rules ...but what about me ?

As I understand it, in order to legally pay commercial tax on a commercial vehicle you need to have a VAT number, be a private trader, or least own a farm or some tracts of land.

I am/have nothing of the above, so how could I tax this commercially and/or get away with it when stopped in one of those revenue checkpoints?

And to make matters worse, insurance is another issue. While hunting for my new vehicle, I looked at several commercial vehicles but I could not get an insurance quote for them. Any and all insurances that I asked for quotes refused to insure me as a private person on a commercial vehicle. Never mind that they may have quoted too much ...they didn't quote at all.

So how do you guys get around this?

Insurance shouldn't be a issue, I'm with insure my van.ie, was with setanta and never had a problem with either. As far as your concerns with commercial tax, it's really down to your own decision, If you are not legally entitled to have commercial tax (being a commercial trader) then you shouldn't have commercial tax, now if it doesn't bother you and take the chance then that is up to you. I know people who have been doing it for years with no issues, but its totally your decision.

pp007 wrote: »

Test booked for Friday and something keep me thinking about that 402cm circumference. I've measured once again and I get 404cm in my HiluxSurf so should be OK, but... after calculation of area it's only 10,201cm.
If circumference would be 452cm then it would fit EU directive.

The way I calculated was if I had a circle with a circumference of 402 cm, the surface area would be 12860cm squared. I think that's the fairest way of calculating because it takes the curves of a back door into account.