How long till galway 2in an all ireand?

jimpump · 21-11-2014 8:25pm #1

Its been a while now but with size of the founty, good clubs and some excellent players I used ant understand it. Biggest unerachievers in the GAA

homerjay2005 · 21-11-2014 8:47pm

Dublin are the biggest underachievers in the GAA in my opinion.

3 All Ireland senior football titles in 31 years is appalling for a county of that size, money and resources. the hurling Return on investment is also exceptionally poor.

regarding Galway, i think they missed their chance in the hurling and i cant see their footballers challenging for an all ireland final for another 5 years plus.

gordongekko · 21-11-2014 8:49pm

It depends. What branch of gaa are you talking about?

jimpump · 21-11-2014 8:58pm

gordongekko wrote: »

It depends. What branch of gaa are you talking about?

Both. The hurling team are the biggests chokers evr

Utopia Parkway · 22-11-2014 4:57am

jimpump wrote: »

Its been a while now but with size of the founty, good clubs and some excellent players I used ant understand it. Biggest unerachievers in the GAA

The Galway hurlers have been in 3 AI finals in the past 14 years. Lost the 3 finals but there are plenty of hurling counties with worse records than that to be fair.

Footballers will win another All-Ireland when they are ready to. These things are usually cyclical as far as the footballers go. We get a great crop every now and then and in between we don't.

WesternZulu · 22-11-2014 10:32am

jimpump wrote: »

Biggest unerachievers in the GAA

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Borders no.2 · 22-11-2014 12:59pm

At the moment I'd say its a good bit away for both sides.

The hurlers missed the boat in 2012 and there isn't going to be any significant improvements to the squad from last year. Also the same management is in place whose tactics have been well and truly found out at this stage. Momentum is a big thing though as we have seen in recent years and no-one saw Galway coming with a run in 2012. When expectations are low in Galway, it can often be a good year but at this stage I'd say its very likely that Joe Canning will end his playing career without winning an All-Ireland medal.

In terms of the football still think its a bit away also. Have made some improvements but really against Mayo and Kerry were kept at arms length easily enough. The overall quality just isn't there at the moment but Galway have a young side and with proper coaching and strength and conditioning should hopefully be seen a bit more regularly in Croke Park at least.

WallyGUFC · 22-11-2014 1:33pm

The hurlers aren't up to it. Won't win one for a long time imo.

I'd be more worried about the footballers winning a Connacht title first. It's far too long since we've won it and it'd be a real monkey off the back. Hopefully in 2015 we give that a good go.

Kkboy · 22-11-2014 2:02pm

I think the hurlers have a chance over the next 2 to 3 years. The footballers at the moment seem a long way off. They would be about the 9th best team in the Country. Although some good success with the under 21s in recent years, Kevin Walsh has a big job on his hands to change the style of Galway football, which can look great but wont win much anymore.

keeponhurling · 22-11-2014 2:41pm

On the face of it, the hurlers look miles away from an All Ireland.
However people said the same about Cork and Clare ahead of last year and they contested the final, so you never know.

Isn't club bitterness supposed to be somewhat of an issue in Galway.

Similarly the footballers look miles off an All-Ireland, but you never know.
They actually gave Kerry a good game of it this year

RoscommonTom · 22-11-2014 5:00pm

The hurlers could win it before to long, hard to believe theyve won so few with all the mighty players what were on the portumma teams

Diabhal Beag · 22-11-2014 5:07pm

The footballers are a few years away from walking into being talked of as All-Ireland challengers but are gradually progressing every season since a harrowing defeat to Antrim whereas the hurlers have a mental block that can turn All Stars into nothing players. Johnny Coen and David Burke not kicking on after 2012 is one of the sadder things I've witnessed as a Galway supporter. Really hoped losing Niall Donoghue would inspire them a bit but sadly not.

randd1 · 22-11-2014 8:06pm

Not sure about the hurlers, as they simply just haven't produced real top quality, consistent defenders since the 80's with the very notable exception of the brilliant Ollie Canning.

Forwards and midfielders that can do the job on any given day, but never defenders from which to fall back on when the forwards aren't doing it, which is often unfortunately for Galway.

T0001 · 23-11-2014 2:20am

Do we still have a hurling team???!!!

dxhound2005 · 23-11-2014 11:31am

T0001 wrote: »

Do we still have a hurling team???!!!

Yes, but things have just reverted to their natural order. Galway only ever won All Irelands in 1923, 1980,1987 and 1988.

In football I would regard Cork as the biggest underachievers. They have only seven All Irelands, Galway have nine.

washman3 · 23-11-2014 11:54am

Galway hurling semi-finals only taking place today, late November.

How many weeks have passed since the seniors were knocked out of the championship.?? Galway would have only half the senior clubs that Tipp have, yet the Tipp c/ship is over and Thurles played 1 match in the Munster championship. Same with Kilkenny, county final played with Ballyhale playing their second Leinster championship today. Unbelievable when you consider Tipp and Kilkenny contested the A.I. final (which also went to a replay)
You just couldn't make it up, if the Galway county board cant get things like this right, then what hope is there of an A.I. senior title.?

Mountainlad · 23-11-2014 12:09pm

washman3 wrote: »

Galway hurling semi-finals only taking place today, late November.
How many weeks have passed since the seniors were knocked out of the championship.?? Galway would have only half the senior clubs that Tipp have, yet the Tipp c/ship is over and Thurles played 1 match in the Munster championship. Same with Kilkenny, county final played with Ballyhale playing their second Leinster championship today. Unbelievable when you consider Tipp and Kilkenny contested the A.I. final (which also went to a replay)
You just couldn't make it up, if the Galway county board cant get things like this right, then what hope is there of an A.I. senior title.?

There was an issue with a club being thrown out who then appealed to the County Board, the Connacht board and finally the DRA only to be unsuccessful. Portumna are in the final having beaten Craughwell at least a month ago on the other side of the draw.

Also today is Ballyhales first game in Leinster, having won the County last weekends.

washman3 · 23-11-2014 12:19pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

There was an issue with a club being thrown out who then appealed to the County Board, the Connacht board and finally the DRA only to be unsuccessful. Portumna are in the final having beaten Craughwell at least a month ago on the other side of the draw.

Also today is Ballyhales first game in Leinster, having won the County last weekends.

There still doing 'objections' up there.?? thought that ****e ended years ago. if you lose, you lose. That definitely says it all about their 'system'.
I stand corrected on the Ballyhale point.
Kilmallock play the Munster final today and Limerick contested the A.I. semi.
Simply no excuse for county semis in late November, when we had the best summer in 25 years.

Mountainlad · 23-11-2014 12:44pm

washman3 wrote: »

There still doing 'objections' up there.?? thought that ****e ended years ago. if you lose, you lose. That definitely says it all about their 'system'.
I stand corrected on the Ballyhale point.
Kilmallock play the Munster final today and Limerick contested the A.I. semi.
Simply no excuse for county semis in late November, when we had the best summer in 25 years.

It wasn't that they lost it was that they fielded an ineligible player and got kicked out.

Galway don't have to meet the time constraints other counties have to as there is no Connacht championship so it makes no difference to them really. Maybe even more of an advantage to have the last competitive game as long as it can be into the year. Tipp sacrificed football to get a team out for Munster. Kilkenny have no football to sacrifice.

If Waterford did what Tipp did we could have had the hurling done by the end of August, but it's all relative to the targets you've to meet. Really don't think this was the County Board's fault to be fair.

MfMan · 23-11-2014 12:47pm

randd1 wrote: »

Not sure about the hurlers, as they simply just haven't produced real top quality, consistent defenders since the 80's with the very notable exception of the brilliant Ollie Canning.

Forwards and midfielders that can do the job on any given day, but never defenders from which to fall back on when the forwards aren't doing it, which is often unfortunately for Galway.

One of the more sensible posts. Yes, good defenders have been a scarcity for a while in Galway, particularly 3 & 6, and 2 of our better ones, Moore and Collins, are in the evening of their careers. We used always have useful forwards, but even these have dried up a bit. Footballers I think are on a more upward trajectory, and a few more better players are starting to come through. A proper CHB is badly needed though.

Think both sets of fans lost faith a lot in the respective managers, Mulholland is gone but Cunningham remains.

Doubt if the OP is from Galway btw.

deadybai · 24-11-2014 12:53pm

Brian Cody won the All-Ireland in 2012 for Kilkenny. If it wasn't for him I don't think any other manager for Kilkenny could have baeten Galway. 2013 was a disaster. They still managed to draw with Kilkenny this year who were eventual champions. Galway arent as far off the Liam as some of ye are suggesting. Theres only a puck of a ball between them Clare and Cork. Kilkenny and Tipp and maybe Limerick are just a small level above.
In my opinion Joe Canning needs to start producing to his peak level. Its a bit harsh to single him out but if he wants to be among the greats of the game he needs to pull the rabbit out of the hat for Galway. How many times did Shefflin do it for Kilkenny when the team wasnt performing?

As for the football, I think Galway are still miles behind the rest. Mayo beat them comfortably and they were playing in 3rd gear.

Rightwing · 24-11-2014 1:01pm

Galway are 1 of 6 hurling counties that can certainly win the AI. Others are Clare/Cork/LK/Tipp/KK. Waterford seem to have missed their chance which is a pity. Dublin don't have the natural skill so we can forget about them.

Mountainlad · 24-11-2014 1:09pm

Rightwing wrote: »

Galway are 1 of 6 hurling counties that can certainly win the AI. Others are Clare/Cork/LK/Tipp/KK. Waterford seem to have missed their chance which is a pity. Dublin don't have the natural skill so we can forget about them.

It only took Clare 4 short years to win an all Ireland after their u21 break through, the very same year they lost every competitive game they played in with the exception of a relegation game v Wexford I think which turned out to be a farce in that there was no relegation. Even two years later, Galway beat they by about 20 points. And the year before they won the all Ireland, Waterford beat them.

I don't think it would take much for teams to be back in the fray, but certainly Galway are in with a shout. Last year they were dire, be willing to cut them more slack this year but few key areas they need to improve on. I think they do have the forwards to be honest, but as has been said full back and center back remains an issue though they are trying to address it. I would also add midfield into that.

Rightwing · 24-11-2014 1:18pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

It only took Clare 4 short years to win an all Ireland after their u21 break through, the very same year they lost every competitive game they played in with the exception of a relegation game v Wexford I think which turned out to be a farce in that there was no relegation. Even two years later, Galway beat they by about 20 points. And the year before they won the all Ireland, Waterford beat them.

I don't think it would take much for teams to be back in the fray, but certainly Galway are in with a shout. Last year they were dire, be willing to cut them more slack this year but few key areas they need to improve on. I think they do have the forwards to be honest, but as has been said full back and center back remains an issue though they are trying to address it. I would also add midfield into that.

Very true.
What will open it up for counties like Galway is KK are on the decline now. They won't monopolise the AI like they have. They'll still probably win more than anyone else over the next 8-10 years, but I'd expect a much wider spread of winners.

Mountainlad · 24-11-2014 1:24pm

Rightwing wrote: »

Very true.
What will open it up for counties like Galway is KK are on the decline now. They won't monopolise the AI like they have. They'll still probably win more than anyone else over the next 8-10 years, but I'd expect a much wider spread of winners.

Would agree with that.

deadybai · 24-11-2014 1:25pm

Rightwing wrote: »

KK are on the decline now.

How are they on a decline???

Mountainlad · 24-11-2014 1:32pm

deadybai wrote: »

How are they on a decline???

Don't want to turn the thread into Kilkenny versus everyone else but I think its a fair enough argument.

They have won 3 of the last 4 all irelands, and the Minors winning this year is a boon as is Cody staying on. But this year they drew twice, including the all Ireland. Last year they were beaten twice.

They drew the all Ireland in 2012 before winning the replay. They've had four games in the last 3 years in Leinster they haven't won, losing two.

They have come down a level, to be fair they had to. But they are absolute dogs that take an awful lot of beating with plenty of talent still their and deserve respect as all Ireland champions. But I do feel that we're looking at a situation where you feel a few teams could win the all Ireland.

In terms of the use decline, it's not a sharp decline and not sure how much further it will go, this year was some response to last year to be fair and all without Walsh and Shefflin. But they're not at 2009 levels, which I think is fair to say.

Rightwing · 24-11-2014 1:40pm

deadybai wrote: »

How are they on a decline???

Losing key players, all great teams eventually decline. That's not to say they won't be a threat, they'll be the team to beat, but they will be beatable.

Realt Dearg Sec · 24-11-2014 1:41pm

Rightwing wrote: »

Dublin don't have the natural skill so we can forget about them.

Whatever that means :rolleyes:

basillarkin · 24-11-2014 1:41pm

washman3 wrote: »

Galway hurling semi-finals only taking place today, late November.
How many weeks have passed since the seniors were knocked out of the championship.?? Galway would have only half the senior clubs that Tipp have, yet the Tipp c/ship is over and Thurles played 1 match in the Munster championship. Same with Kilkenny, county final played with Ballyhale playing their second Leinster championship today. Unbelievable when you consider Tipp and Kilkenny contested the A.I. final (which also went to a replay)
You just couldn't make it up, if the Galway county board cant get things like this right, then what hope is there of an A.I. senior title.?

Tipp have 40+ senior clubs?

iDave · 24-11-2014 1:47pm

Always liked Galway football from a Meath perspective. Decent, gracious fans and always played a good brand of football.
Stopped Kildare winning an All Ireland which we are eternally grateful for and keep Mayo honest out west (well used to).
Interesting how the 2001 final seemed to kill off 2 footballing dynasties. Neither county has had a sniff of an All Ireland since and both going round in circles, false dawns here and there and managerial merry-go-rounds.
The qualifier in Navan in 2012 was possibly the most depressing game of football I ever saw as two former great floundered for 70 mins both trying to lose it it seemed.
U-21 success gives a springboard to success but nothing more. At the very least lets hope they can come out of Mayos shadow in Connacht and break the streak they have there.

nice_guy80 · 24-11-2014 2:03pm

iDave wrote: »

Always liked Galway football from a Meath perspective. Decent, gracious fans and always played a good brand of football.
Stopped Kildare winning an All Ireland which we are eternally grateful for and keep Mayo honest out west (well used to).
Interesting how the 2001 final seemed to kill off 2 footballing dynasties. Neither county has had a sniff of an All Ireland since and both going round in circles, false dawns here and there and managerial merry-go-rounds.
The qualifier in Navan in 2012 was possibly the most depressing game of football I ever saw as two former great floundered for 70 mins both trying to lose it it seemed.
U-21 success gives a springboard to success but nothing more. At the very least lets hope they can come out of Mayos shadow in Connacht and break the streak they have there.

Roscommon are probably more likely to do that out west.
Galway always upped their game once out of Connacht but they've had an average team for the last 12 years with some very average managers

blue note · 24-11-2014 2:38pm

I've always considered Galway hurling to be overrated to be honest. 2012 was an unbelievable year for them and they could very well have won the all ireland, but looking at their team I just can't understand how. When people say that they should be winning all irelands, I just think of the teams that were, and Galway have nothing like the strength of players. Joe Canning is possibly the best in the country, but Ollie Canning was the only other in the last 10 years or so that I'd have regarded as top class, that I'd actually have felt would have improved a top side. Compare that to KK or Cork - Cork from 1-9 were superb at their best and KK had about 13 starters that were top class at theirs. When people say that Galway should have won an all ireland, I just wonder how people think that they should have won ahead of these teams.

robbiezero · 24-11-2014 3:00pm

Rightwing wrote: »

Losing key players, all great teams eventually decline. That's not to say they won't be a threat, they'll be the team to beat, but they will be beatable.

I don't think they are in decline all that much, just the other teams have gotten a good bit stronger, so they are far more beatable than say in the 2005 - 2008 period when they were miles ahead of the pack.

robbiezero · 24-11-2014 3:02pm

blue note wrote: »

I've always considered Galway hurling to be overrated to be honest. 2012 was an unbelievable year for them and they could very well have won the all ireland, but looking at their team I just can't understand how. When people say that they should be winning all irelands, I just think of the teams that were, and Galway have nothing like the strength of players. Joe Canning is possibly the best in the country, but Ollie Canning was the only other in the last 10 years or so that I'd have regarded as top class, that I'd actually have felt would have improved a top side. Compare that to KK or Cork - Cork from 1-9 were superb at their best and KK had about 13 starters that were top class at theirs. When people say that Galway should have won an all ireland, I just wonder how people think that they should have won ahead of these teams.

Would have a good few players ahead of him. Goes missing too often.

Fr Tod Umptious · 24-11-2014 3:03pm

From the footballing point of view I think they have an opportunity to make a bit of progress this year.

It all revolves around their Connaught Sf v Mayo (if they beat NY and Leitrim beforehand of course)

They will be playing their 3rd game v Mayo on June 14th where as Mayo will be only starting, we don't know what Mayo will be like after the managerial change etc, and it's in Galway.

If they win that they will play Rosconon or Sligo in a Connaught Final, and if I'm not mistaken the Roscommon matchup would be in Galway.
I'm not sure oif a Slkigo match would be in Galway or Castlebar.

So they have a good chance of winning Connaught, if they do that then they play a B side qualifier in the QF
B is the tougher side of the draw again as it seems loaded with nordies.

But there is still the possibility of a weaker team making it through that side, and there is the possibility of facing Mayo again at that point.

If you get past the QF then it's a SF most likely v Dublin.
And if they get that far that will be good progress for the year and the new manager.

But if they lose to Mayo on June 14th then it's a tough task in the B side and the Ulster or Connaught champ in the QF

MfMan · 24-11-2014 3:55pm

robbiezero wrote: »

Would have a good few players ahead of him. Goes missing too often.

No he doesn't. It's the supporting cast that disappears. Getting fed up at this stage I'd say of trying to be everywhere on the field and having to carry the team. Time and time again I say this, count back at the end of a game and see all that he has done and you will see his influence. If there's 6 better forwards in the country, then the game is rich in personnel indeed.

Utopia Parkway · 24-11-2014 4:12pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Roscommon are probably more likely to do that out west.

No chance.

nice_guy80 · 24-11-2014 5:59pm

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

No chance.

Mayo only beat them by a point in 2014.
Mayo haven't beaten them at U21 level in 4 years, or something

24-11-2014 6:46pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Mayo only beat them by a point in 2014.
Mayo haven't beaten them at U21 level in 4 years, or something

I wouldn't use that as a barometer, Mayo were pathetic that day and still managed to win.

Always_Running · 24-11-2014 9:31pm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

I wouldn't use that as a barometer, Mayo were pathetic that day and still managed to win.

In fairness the rossies had a good defensive system in place that day. Galway have major issues in defence and until that's sorted out Galway wont be winning Connacht. Galway,Roscommon are both division two sides now and it would be good for Connacht football if both were promoted to division one. Sligo are capable of rising to division two also.

djPSB · 24-11-2014 10:33pm

jimpump wrote: »

Its been a while now but with size of the founty, good clubs and some excellent players I used ant understand it. Biggest unerachievers in the GAA

Corofin aside, the standard of club football in Galway is atrocious.

24-11-2014 10:43pm

Always_Running wrote: »

In fairness the rossies had a good defensive system in place that day. Galway have major issues in defence and until that's sorted out Galway wont be winning Connacht. Galway,Roscommon are both division two sides now and it would be good for Connacht football if both were promoted to division one. Sligo are capable of rising to division two also.

True enough.

Galway gave up near a FT score against Kerry in 10mins in the 1/4, not good enough.
The only team to show up that day and try to man mark instead of marking space/employing additional defenders.

Just braindead stuff from Mulholland.

It's not as if we were defending to perfection 1 to 1 up to that game, you could have went back to 2013 when Mayo put up a hurling score or even just to the Meath league game when they could have scored about 9 goals in the first half alone(which is unheard of unless someone is playing Kilkenny).

djPSB wrote: »

Corofin aside, the standard of club football in Galway is atrocious.

Same can be said for plenty of other counties in both codes.

I heard the last day a Tipp hurling club haven't won an AI since the 80s.

The Mayo Co. Final this year was atrocious with something like 5 points scored in the entire second half.
That hasn't stopped them challenging each year for a fair length of time now.

Heck ppl are on about Roscommon in this thread, when has anybody outside of Brigids challenged there?.

jimpump · 24-11-2014 10:59pm

djPSB wrote: »

Corofin aside, the standard of club football in Galway is atrocious.

I was on about the galway hurling teams but galway football aint as bad as you think

MfMan · 25-11-2014 4:06pm

jimpump wrote: »

I was on about the galway hurling teams but galway football aint as bad as you think

Considering that Galway drew with the eventual AI champs this year, maybe the hurling isn't as bad as you think either....

Mountainlad · 25-11-2014 6:37pm

MfMan wrote: »

Considering that Galway drew with the eventual AI champs this year, maybe the hurling isn't as bad as you think either....

Then again all they've beaten is Laois in the last two years. So I guess it depends what way you look at it.

Syferus · 28-11-2014 11:49pm

Size of Galway me arse. Dual county spilt quite strongly between the two codes. With a 250k population and pro rugby becoming strong in the city Galway are far from a statistical powerhouse.

Mayo with essentially one show in town stand in a far better position if being regularly competitive for AIs is the goal.

How long till galway 2in an all ireand?

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