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Things I wish I had done when building?

  • 27-03-2008 10:54am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,951 ✭✭✭✭


    Mods if you feel this isn't a good idea please delete.

    I had an idea for a sticky thread that would allow people who have built houses or extensions in the past and then when it was finished or even many years after say "I wish I did X,Y and Z when I was building, if I was ever to build again I would ......"

    The reason I think it might help is that many people on here will have gone through the process of building and in hindsight seen things that people who are now building can't see, be it things like I wish I had dry lined the external walls of the house or I wish I had put in zones in the heating system or even things as simple as I wish I had put a tap down the bottom of the garden or ran ducting for power to the front garden etc.

    Just an idea?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    I'll wait for muffler and Mellor to comment here but one thing I wouldn't like is something like a thread we got the other night. The op had a job done and in his own words was very happy. He than asked if he might have got it done cheaper had he used foreign labour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,951 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    LOL Well that wasn't what I was looking for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,305 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    smashey wrote: »
    I'll wait for muffler and Mellor to comment here but one thing I wouldn't like is something like a thread we got the other night. The op had a job done and in his own words was very happy. He than asked if he might have got it done cheaper had he used foreign labour.
    Says he who knows it all :D. Still awaiting that feedback thread ;)

    I can see what Villain has in mind and in one way looks OK but I wouldnt sticky it though. The other problem I see with this sort of thread is that most people who have built in the past will air their views here in a lot of other threads in any event. I have seen them advising others not to do this that or the other depending on the topic being discussed.

    Maybe let it run for the time being and see what sort of input or feedback we get.


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One regret: soundproofing between rooms, I should have broken up the ceiling at the walls between rooms as I get a lot of sound carried between rooms via the solid ceiling :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭250882


    didnt exactly build the house but I worked for the engineers in charge of the estate so I bought off plans and was able to make changes from founds up (but I was young and inexperienced so I left loads of stuff out).

    insulate floor joists or better still put in hollowcore.
    Should have gone open plan rather than have a dark cold corridor,
    solar panels a definate.
    velux cabrio instead of top hung,
    no pvc windows,
    super insulate the attic and use air tight construction (sarking board etc.) proprietry internal door units with factory fitted frames and seals, no more dodgy carpentry.
    woodburning stove instead of open fire.
    build garage onto side of house rather than detached.
    gas instead of oil
    storm porch on front of house
    Most importantly though. should have insisted that all the dodgy plasterwork was fixed and the snag completed before signing anything.

    but still the next one will be better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭lanod2407


    - More insulation around the windows
    - Better costing process
    - Planted trees and hedges at the very start - the damn things don't grow overnight!
    - Insulated the dormer section a helluva lot better
    - Built A garage - never mind one detached or otherwise!
    - A bigger kitchen


    Next one will definitely be better!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,951 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    Good stuff guys


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭dcom


    I like this thread.
    Good idea villian and thanks to those who posted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭construct06


    I wish we didnt put down black tiles in the hallway.

    Cannot keep them clean.

    Exact same tile in kitchen in cream, no bother keep clean.

    Moral..never use black floor tiles....!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    I wish we didnt put down black tiles in the hallway.

    Cannot keep them clean.

    Exact same tile in kitchen in cream, no bother keep clean.

    Moral..never use black floor tiles....!
    Have you been talking to Mrs. smashey? :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭construct06


    no...but mrs. construct_06 is a very unhappy bunny with her black tiles...
    is mrs. smashey in same situation...!?:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    no...but mrs. construct_06 is a very unhappy bunny with her black tiles...
    is mrs. smashey in same situation...!?:rolleyes:
    She certainly is. :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭mad m


    Would it be good to insulate in between ceilings/joists? Does it actually do anything for sound/warmth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭Fingalian


    Build the shed/garage/barn before the house and make sure you can secure it well..........then you don't need a container, and you have somewhere dry to work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21 slanleat


    When your happy with the size of your utility room, tripple it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,305 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    slanleat wrote: »
    When your happy with the size of your utility room, tripple it!
    Why?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭250882


    maybe theres something to that, I call mine a futility room as I cant get in the door with all the junk that accumilates, but I know it would be tha same no matter what size it was


  • Registered Users Posts: 21 slanleat



    Most double up as laundry rooms and if you have kids, size does matter..
    The more storage you can fit into your utility room, the more chance u have of keeping the kitchen free of clutter.
    Apart from what the units can take (cleaning + laundry products, shoe polishes, dusters, cloths, black bags, plastic bags, paper bags, bulbs, batteries and all those other bits that just have no obvious home), it’s the place where the washing machine and drier go, as well as the iron, ironing board, clothes horse/s, wellies, mucky shoes, school bags, handbags, work bags, shopping bags, hats, scarfs, gloves, possibly the hotpress, Then theres the sweeping brush, clothes pegs, clothes line basket, mop, bucket, first aid etc etc..
    Make sure its off the kitchen and has a sink.
    Im a mammy with 3 kids, so maybe Im bias, but ask any woman u know with a util room, would they like a bigger one..utility room that is.;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭lanod2407


    Utility room ......... now there's a candidate for "why can I never get this room right"!!!???

    A few nuggets from my experiences - there are a few strangely shaped items that need storage, usually in the Utility Room, and a bit of thought up-front will go a long way:

    - Vacuum Cleaner
    - Ironing Board
    - Sports equipment - hurleys, boots, gear-bags
    - Outdoor shoes, boots and coats,
    - Indoor bins for recycling
    - Laundry - at every stage of the cycle!
    - Speaking of which - space / facility to dry clothes during the Irish wet season!


    Love the Futility Room quote - tells a thousand tales!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,305 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    slanleat wrote: »
    Most double up as laundry rooms and if you have kids, size does matter..
    The more storage you can fit into your utility room, the more chance u have of keeping the kitchen free of clutter.
    Apart from what the units can take (cleaning + laundry products, shoe polishes, dusters, cloths, black bags, plastic bags, paper bags, bulbs, batteries and all those other bits that just have no obvious home), it’s the place where the washing machine and drier go, as well as the iron, ironing board, clothes horse/s, wellies, mucky shoes, school bags, handbags, work bags, shopping bags, hats, scarfs, gloves, possibly the hotpress, Then theres the sweeping brush, clothes pegs, clothes line basket, mop, bucket, first aid etc etc..
    Make sure its off the kitchen and has a sink.
    Im a mammy with 3 kids, so maybe Im bias, but ask any woman u know with a util room, would they like a bigger one..utility room that is.;)
    Fair enough points although I dont think you would actually need it 3 times bigger after it is planned out but I can see where you are coming from alright.

    And yes, most of my female clients would want a bigger one ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 385 ✭✭Bobby04


    Alot of my "gripes" have already been mentioned by others. Looks like we could have learned something here :o

    Finish garage first for storage during build of house.
    Build bigger utility room.
    Insulate better, basically everywhere.
    Pay more attention to details eg. the seal and/or insulation around windows.
    Run Cat6 instead of Cat5 cable.
    Price around a bit more for everything (though not too many regrets there).


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭pullandbang


    In my second house now and made sure to add outside tap and outside lights. If I had have thought of it I would have added a few discreet outside power sockets.

    I also put a dog run down the back but should have connected it to the sewer instead of having to shovel up the crap:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭NickTellis


    I'd be very curious to know what size utility rooms people have. We're planning to put one into a new extension but I'm not sure about the size to go for as it also needs to double as a laundry room with some sort of built in clothes horse for those days when you can't leave clothes outdoors (i.e. 90% of the year). At the moment it's about 2 x 2.5 metres...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭lanod2407


    Ours is circa 10 ft x 12 ft - and is too small. Have 4 kids doing a lot of sport.
    I beileve its too square - wasted space in the middle of the floor. Better designed if it was longer and narrower

    Contains - clothes horse (damn nuisance!), washing machine and dryer housed under a counter top unit that also has a sink. Oil boiler also under the sink. 4 storage cupboards over the sink for cleaning kit, some booze, basket of bulbs, and other incidentals.
    One wall has built in cupboards for recycling bin, bag of spuds, lots of coats and the ironing board & vacuum cleaner. BUT - neither are in there - it's full of hurleys, archery equipment, tennis rackets and whatever is "in season"!!

    More drawer units under the window with pull-out baskets for all things sporting that need storing - from sliothars to gloves to hats and gum-shields. Then there's the rack for shoes, boots and all things at the end of your feet ..................... TBH, I was happier in the 2 up 2 down in Surrey!!!!:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭Slig


    lanod2407 wrote: »
    TBH, I was happier in the 2 up 2 down in Surrey!!!!:eek:

    More room, more rubbish:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 125 ✭✭MrLNB


    This thread is very very helpful for those like myself drawing up the plans. We all learn from each other here. Why not sticky this???.

    Guys, keep posting your "wish I had done" here. Its great.

    I have learned a fair bit reading this. One thing though, keep it to what its for. some of the other stickys go off track a lot. . . :rolleyes:
    Thanks,

    LNB


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,748 ✭✭✭Do-more


    Next time I'll have a concrete stairs so I don't have to worry about creaky steps when I'm sneaking in late from the pub!

    Oh and I'll make sure to run the chimney externally rather than internally it was a damn nuisance where it went up beside the head of the bed in the last build.

    invest4deepvalue.com



  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Avoid black PVC-U doors & windows, they expand and contract quite a large amount, I've found that the patio doors stick in the heat and are draughty in the winter.
    I have to adjust them twice a year now! The missus got some black blinds to match and they act like solar heaters in the summer as well (help heat the house in the winter though)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    Do-more wrote: »
    Oh and I'll make sure to run the chimney externally rather

    Not in Donegal you wouldn't. ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,748 ✭✭✭Do-more


    smashey wrote: »
    Not in Donegal you wouldn't. ;)

    Far be it from me to add to the blighted landscape in Donegal!

    invest4deepvalue.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    Do-more wrote: »
    Far be it from me to add to the blighted landscape in Donegal!

    No worries. Horses, doors and bolted spring to mind. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,305 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    smashey wrote: »
    No worries. Horses, doors and bolted spring to mind. :D
    True.

    I seen a couple of your designs and they look like stables alright :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,951 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    Can we get this thread stickied?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,305 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    I'll have a word with Mellor & smashey about this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭Leadership


    Great thread, changes being made to my build from this is:

    Shed going up
    Concrete stairs
    Removing the entrance hall and going open plan
    Insulate!!!!!!

    Thank


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭lanod2407


    muffler wrote: »
    I'll have a word with Mellor & smashey about this.

    Any update on the 'sticky' situation?
    Really - I'm just asking to get it back up the list in lieu of it's unsticky status!;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,305 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Just waiting on one of the other mods to get back to me but I think it might be OK


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭Slig


    If using timber floor then bracing between joists ever 1M.
    If you do a timber floor correctly there is very little difference between it and a concrete one in terms of sound and deflection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,305 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Right. We have decided to sticky this thread but will keep an eye on its popularity. We have quite a few stickys at the moment and we don't want the front page cluttered so we will review all stickied threads from time to time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,305 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    blindsider I have moved your post to a new thread here


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,061 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Its kinda odd the way this has been stickied nearly two months now with a single post. Could this be because the downturn in the trade, or should this thread just be merged with the live self builds one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,951 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    Well I think it was stickied more for people to be able to read than update.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭lanod2407


    Visited a site last week - and I've 2 more ............

    Wish I'd a concrete first floor (kinda hard with timber-frame I guess!!!!).

    Wish I'd asked the timber frame company to design the attic space so I could have converted it - it's got joists and supports everywhere! Only got space in the middle for a small bit of storage. Saw an attic space that's like a snooker room at the weekend and I was sickened - especially when he told me it for for a snooker table!!


    ........ looking out the window - more rain - # 3 - wish I'd built it in Italy!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,651 ✭✭✭Captain Slow IRL


    250882 wrote: »
    no pvc windows

    Are you giving out that you don't have pvc windows or that you have them and aren't happy with them?:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭Slig


    Have em, dont like em. They are sh1t.
    In fact I am amazed that they are still being made!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,305 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Slig wrote: »
    Have em, dont like em. They are sh1t.
    In fact I am amazed that they are still being made!
    Have what and hate what?


  • Registered Users Posts: 204 ✭✭oldhead


    Why Cat6??????????


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    oldhead wrote: »
    Why Cat6??????????
    :confused:

    I flood wired the houise with cat5 cabling but have only used one cable.

    still, I may use some of the rest (it cost me nothing except time!)


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 Jill


    Things I wish I had done

    1. Made sure the all the wires put in by the electrician were clearly marked and left out when insulating and plastering. We didn't do this and had to go back afterwards to root for lights and sockets - very messy...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭copper12


    Things I wish I had done
    I wish I had not shone the wife the plans; I started off with a nice small bungalow; finished up with a dormer bungalow; two and half thousand squire feet
    Put in more insulation; at the time I put in more than the codes specified .
    Advice for anyone’ buy the home bound book’ it will be your bible .
    Build your garage’ onto the side of your house’ you already have one wall
    The cost will be small’ compared to building one after a few years
    You can leave the finished work to the trade’s anything else you can do yourself
    If you are going direct labour’ get three prices’ don’t hand over any money until the job is done’ and be prepared to be disappointed’ and frustrated’ give yourself plenty of time’ plan everything twice
    It took me one year to build’ direct labour’ I was lucky I was able to do allot of the labour myself.
    It was worth it


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