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Treating people with mental health issues

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  • #202
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    mickstupp wrote: »
    Hmm. Couple actually, relatively recently. Quick search of google news has me drawn into all sorts of oddness.
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/world/nice-attacker-suffered-from-depression/article8860802.ece
    http://dailytimes.com.pk/world/23-Jul-16/german-born-attacker-victim-of-depression-not-linked-to-is

    Then I read an article from some guy talking about the germany attacks and defending the use of the term 'signs of depression' in news items. He claimed it was perfectly fine and didn't in itself indicate that the perpetrator was suffering a mental illness. Which is technically accurate.

    The problem I have with this, is that that's precisely what it means to ignorant people who pick up a news paper and jump to conclusions. The media has a hand in this idea that mentally ill people are dangerous.

    I saw some infographic recently claiming that way fewer people in the world were killed by people with mental illness, than Americans who were killed by gun-wielding toddlers.

    I just dislike the instant focus on mental illness.


    Anyone can snap at any point it has nothing to do with mental health if I throw a plate on the floor to me that's snapping can I make that plate new again without glue?Nope but I can buy new plates somethings can be fixed but the likes of terrorism and religion is a different choice but can't all be related to mental health


  • #203
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Anongeneric wrote: »
    This is in response to the link posted by gctest50

    Did you even read the article?

    Yes ?

    And It was in "answer" to this, not the OP :
    Originally Posted by mickstupp
    I get very angry when I see news items about killings or attacks, and right at the top, sometimes in the headline, is something along the lines of 'killer had depression'. Saw one last week. It should start with 'killer was a dickhead'..............

    Anongeneric wrote: »

    These are exactly the types of situations that the OP was talking about.

    A total failure on the part of the health service, and a hands in the air "sure if he'll go in voluntarily he can't be that bad"

    His family and a business near to them have their lives turned upside down and because of the lack of services we are back to the
    " well there's nothing to be done, hope it works out for you"

    He's a dickhead.



    Resources are tight so they need to use them carefully - maybe on the victims first :


    http://www.thejournal.ie/manor-street-gardai-assault-2910906-Aug2016/

    Two gardaí were hospitalised last night after being set upon by a gang of youths in Dublin's north inner city.


    or a bit more relevant ( UK though ) :
    This was the terrifying scene when a shopkeeper was confronted by a drug-crazed robber wielding a Samurai sword.

    He then leapt up on the counter brandishing the blade.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065849/Pictured-The-moment-drug-fuelled-robber-attacked-shopkeeper-Samurai-sword.html


  • #204
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    So with all this liberalism and protecting human rights and not being able to detain patients against their will and they do get out and harm themselves or others ... who's accountable? - someones got to be accountable


  • #205
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    So with all this liberalism and protecting human rights and not being able to detain patients against their will and they do get out and harm themselves or others ... who's accountable? - someones got to be accountable

    Feck sake Andy are you reading anything about life experience or even ad hoc advice that's legal advice (well not in the legal forum)It's the people and carers that look after them that watch the scale.if I was to go around with this mental scale it's called invasion of privacy or stalking.I'm trying to explain the best I can.right i have 4 children I'm out working now my husband is home he has been ok since January and was never in 7 year's any harm to our kids.psych patients are looked after i could ring the gardai now and say I'm working I'm worried about my kids get my mam down and he'd be took away.it's not hard.but it is very upsetting that you just don't get it all psych patients are modded my partner gets 3 phone calls a day and he's now a public patient we spent 30k in private hospitals but they are all the same except st lomans they are free ffs they nearly killed my husband.you just can't put terriosts in the mental health sentences


  • #206
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    triona1 wrote: »
    Feck sake Andy are you reading anything about life experience or even ad hoc advice that's legal advice (well not in the legal forum)It's the people and carers that look after them that watch the scale.if I was to go around with this mental scale it's called invasion of privacy or stalking.I'm trying to explain the best I can.right i have 4 children I'm out working now my husband is home he has been ok since January and was never in 7 year's any harm to our kids.psych patients are looked after i could ring the gardai now and say I'm working I'm worried about my kids get my mam down and he'd be took away.it's not hard.but it is very upsetting that you just don't get it all psych patients are modded my partner gets 3 phone calls a day and he's now a public patient we spent 30k in private hospitals but they are all the same except st lomans they are free ffs they nearly killed my husband.you just can't put terriosts in the mental health sentences


    Hi Triona
    I wonder if Andy is thinking of people who fall through the cracks, who have no support like your husband has you.


  • #207
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Hi Triona
    I wonder if Andy is thinking of people who fall through the cracks, who have no support

    Hey.I'm unsure I'd like to think so but I've seen a lot of things in psych wards and life at home with my partner.sorry widdershins I can't say.I can only get my little point across as I've said anyone can ask me anything my partner has chronic bpd with suicidal ideation and never harmed anyone only himself i made one mistake trying to get a leatherman of him i was told to never do that again so I didn't I rang for help.I've only ever rang for an ambalance maybe now 4-5 times and gardai come also.
    It think it's when he put radicalisation and terrorism in it boomerang'do.


  • #208
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    triona1 wrote: »
    Widdershins wrote: »
    Hi Triona
    I wonder if Andy is thinking of people who fall through the cracks, who have no support

    Hey.I'm unsure I'd like to think so but I've seen a lot of things in psych wards and life at home with my partner.sorry widdershins I can't say.I can only get my little point across as I've said anyone can ask me anything my partner has chronic bpd with suicidal ideation and never harmed anyone only himself i made one mistake trying to get a leatherman of him i was told to never do that again so I didn't I rang for help.I've only ever rang for an ambalance maybe now 4-5 times and gardai come also

    Sounds like it's been hard going at times ...


  • #209
    Mental Mickey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,647 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    Your last post was/is blank Triona


  • #210
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    Mental Mickey wrote: »
    Your last post was/is blank Triona

    Fixed i was editing.


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  • #211
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    So with all this liberalism and protecting human rights and not being able to detain patients against their will and they do get out and harm themselves or others ... who's accountable? - someones got to be accountable

    You do know the harm you may do to people! I thought you where a troll now I believe you you are just bad.


  • #212
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    Im on a thread in lti under bpd.there is only a few pages but it's scary enough.Andy could do with reading it and I mean that very nicely it's one of the most frightening the way it starts my partner started with ptsd and it escalated it was always there and it's hereditary and I've 3 son's and more likely in men.I'm just pointing out that mental health is mental health nothing to do with anything else


  • #213
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    You do know the harm you may do to people! I thought you where a troll now I believe you you are just bad.

    Thank you hoc.


  • #214
    Mental Mickey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,647 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    Can this thread be locked? I think, as I said in my first post in this thread, that Andy was/is trying to rise a row?


  • #215
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    Mental Mickey wrote: »
    Can this thread be locked? I think, as I said in my first post in this thread, that Andy was/is trying to rise a row?

    Why?I think not its ok to talk about this and you didn't start the thread.and I've more to say to help people with mental health issues.


  • #216
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    Because hoc came in?he's not giving legal advice!I'm now on more meds than my partner is on now I'm not going to kill anyone I'm on anti's for 6 months max to deal with things only once a year for 7 year's.


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  • #217
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    It's an interesting thread . I think some clarification might help but possibly some wires have got crossed..


  • #218
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Mental Mickey wrote: »
    Can this thread be locked? I think, as I said in my first post in this thread, that Andy was/is trying to rise a row?

    im really not, sorry you have interpreted it that way - its just discussion plain and simple sorry. Nothing I say in this thread is going to change anything or other peoples views


  • #219
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    im really not, sorry you have interpreted it that way - its just discussion plain and simple sorry. Nothing I say in this thread is going to change anything or other peoples views

    That's should be the title of this thread Andy with just a bit of mental health mixed in.your not a hurtful person you just asked a question at the end of the day and we all took it to heart.


  • #220
    Ionised
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Ionised


    Felt the need to add to this. Having worked in the mental health profession for 30+ years I feel I am in a good position to comment.

    In all my time working in hospitals, crisis intervention teams and on Home treatment teams I have been physically attacked three times. Interestingly enough, not once by a client. All three attacks were by random scumbags in the street.

    The vast majority of clients with who I work are kind, calm individuals in distress.

    Some of the doctors are a bit bonkers but that's for another thread!


  • #221
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    Ionised wrote: »
    Felt the need to add to this. Having worked in the mental health profession for 30+ years I feel I am in a good position to comment.

    In all my time working in hospitals, crisis intervention teams and on Home treatment teams I have been physically attacked three times. Interestingly enough, not once by a client. All three attacks were by random scumbags in the street.

    The vast majority of clients with who I work are kind, calm individuals in distress.

    Some of the doctors are a bit bonkers but that's for another thread!

    In reply to Ionised he's right as he knows. I've never been attacked by members of the general public I've been verbally abused by psych staff I'd find them the most intorlent I've many friends that are nurses/firemen/women/gardi those are people that are let down.do your job for the public safety get out of bed don't let people sitting for 36 hours in a&e problem solved you took that job for a reason and not for money obviously save a live.in truly hope you are not proud of yourself


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  • #222
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    Ionised wrote: »
    Felt the need to add to this. Having worked in the mental health profession for 30+ years I feel I am in a good position to comment.

    In all my time working in hospitals, crisis intervention teams and on Home treatment teams I have been physically attacked three times. Interestingly enough, not once by a client. All three attacks were by random scumbags in the street.

    The vast majority of clients with who I work are kind, calm individuals in distress.

    Some of the doctors are a bit bonkers but that's for another thread!


    I'll call you out on a troll you as someone in profession calls anyone a scumbag!


  • #223
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    ...


  • #224
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    Ionised wrote: »
    Felt the need to add to this. Having worked in the mental health profession for 30+ years I feel I am in a good position to comment.

    In all my time working in hospitals, crisis intervention teams and on Home treatment teams I have been physically attacked three times. Interestingly enough, not once by a client. All three attacks were by random scumbags in the street.

    The vast majority of clients with who I work are kind, calm individuals in distress.

    Some of the doctors are a bit bonkers but that's for another thread!

    3 people liked this post! Anyone in this profression would never call anyone a scumbag!


  • #225
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    triona1 wrote: »
    I'll call you out on a troll you as someone in profession calls anyone a scumbag!

    ..


  • #226
    triona1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭triona1


    ..


  • #227
    Shint0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Shint0


    Ionised wrote: »
    Some of the doctors are a bit bonkers but that's for another thread!
    Please do! Genuine request actually as I concur and could be enlightening for some people. The attitudes of some treating doctors within the mental health field can actually cause more harm and this area needs a spotlight shone on it in contributing to stigma of mental health and recovery. It's an area which is often neglected in discussions of problems within mental health services which aren't just exclusive to limited resources or stigma from the general population. Speaking from personal experience.


  • #228
    Ionised
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    triona1 wrote:
    I'll call you out on a troll you as someone in profession calls anyone a scumbag!


    My post was in response to the Op and the myth about people with mental health problems being violent more than people without. My experience would be the opposite.

    It's sad you seemed to take offence at that.

    Your troll radar is broken.


  • #229
    Annasopra
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    Widdershins wrote: »
    Not in my experience . There was a crisis before any medical attention was received in any case I am familiar with .
    I think people who are used to discussing their mental state assume everyone does the same . A lot of people don't .

    And I think posts connecting poor mental health and terroris threats are completely unhelpful to destigmastise so that people can openly discuss

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #230
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    And I think posts connecting poor mental health and terroris threats are completely unhelpful to destigmastise so that people can openly discuss

    I agree and in a previous comment tried to make the distinction between religious brainwashing and mental illness . What have I said that's caused confusion ?


  • #231
    K-9
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    And I think posts connecting poor mental health and terroris threats are completely unhelpful to destigmastise so that people can openly discuss

    If a serious mental illness is a contributing factor I'm not sure what the alternative is?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #232
    mariaalice
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    I would come at it from a different point, there are a lots of causes that attract individual with what you could describe as single minded all or noting type personalities, in Ireland they had the choice of fanatical nationalism, fanatical republicanism, religious fanaticism.

    For example with our modern understanding of psychology would Matt Talbot who practised mortification of the flesh, be considered mentally unwell, or a fanatical ex alcoholic who found religion as his saviour or perfectly 'normal'?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Talbot


    What is the difference between behaviour issues and actual mental illness.


  • #233
    K-9
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    It's an interesting one, the Shankill butchers used a flag to cover blood thirst and psychopathic behaviour.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #234
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    triona1 wrote: »
    3 people liked this post! Anyone in this profression would never call anyone a scumbag!

    Why? That's an odd requirement for the job.


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