Unpopular GAA opinions you hold

breffni bogballer · 12-06-2014 10:00pm

the ulster sfc is brutal and has being for years

Royce McCutcheon · 12-06-2014 10:05pm

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Yeah I don't know how anyone cant see the greatness of Cluxton. There may be some better shotstoppers out there and some better under the high ball but he is good at both. The other aspects of his game coupled with his leadership would probably make him the best of all time. If Shane Supple had stayed at soccer he would be Ireland's number 1 now and he couldn't oust him.

I dont think he is a good shot stopper or under a high ball by inter county standards though, in recent years he reminds me of a goalkeeper for an Australian International rules team, he looks like he wants to do anything but goalkeeping

NavyandBlue · 12-06-2014 11:51pm

I have really enjoyed Mayo's crushing All-Ireland Final defeats in the past two years and hope they can secure three in a row this year.

wicklowwonder · 13-06-2014 12:06am

Inter county football needs to be looked at. Scrap the leagues, play the provincial championships as warm ups then a World Cup like competition 32 teams play each in groups of 4 - top two teams in each group seeded . Play each team home and away, top two go thought to all Ireland bottom two to all Ireland b comp.

Make the b competitive by saying you get top seed next year if you win it and losing finalist gets a second seed spot. Also could give the 4 provincial winners a seed to make them more competitive.

Schedule it around club games, have weekends of games, have 8 games a weekend, so say groups 1-4 play two Friday night, two Saturday at say 5 and 7 and four games on Sundays. Have like 2,4 and 6 start times. Show one Friday on TV, both Saturday and three Sunday. While counties in 1-4 are playing this weekend 5-8 are playing club league matches and vice versa. Players on county panels who don't play more than 20 mins must be available for club the next weekend. Then start club championships once the knock out stages start. Again plan in advance when teams are playing knock out and weekends they have off so club master planners can plan their fixtures.

Much better solution.

savannahkat · 13-06-2014 1:05am

When it comes to real GAA discussions gaelic football should be limited to sentences of no more than six words and banned altogether after the third reply.

Miccoli · 13-06-2014 1:16am

The Kerry team of the 2000s were not that good. Never won a big game when the chips were down.

Jimoslimos · 13-06-2014 2:12am

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Because its the ethos of GAA - having football, hurling, camogie, rounders and handball as one family of games, being played by every club and every county. Thats part of the one club model

My unpopular opinion: There should be a greater separation of the two codes, perhaps a full split. Too many county boards with vested interests one way or the other. It also seems at times that hurling suffers from trying to conform within the rules and designs of football. Same pitch and goal dimensions, number of players, types of fouls, etc. Probably convenience and resources dictates this.

Young players should be limited to playing at one intercounty age bracket per season - Minor/U21/Senior.

ciarriaithuaidh · 13-06-2014 2:49am

Miccoli wrote: »

The Kerry team of the 2000s were not that good. Never won a big game when the chips were down.

Beat Armagh (with 14 men) in 2006 when big underdogs.
Beat Armagh in replayed semi final in 2000 after a titanic battle.
Beat Galway in 2000 final after a replay.
Beat hot favourites Cork in 2009 final.
First team in 17 years to put titles back to back.

Go again, there I'd say!

thegills · 13-06-2014 3:20am

Everyone outside Dublin wants them to lose.
Teams raise their games for Croker making it harder for Dublin to win.
Dublin have saved GAA football from the negative tactics that were creeping into the game.
Dublin has fewer GAA players than most big counties so are punching way above their weight.
Kilkenny teams of all ages deliberately foul players to stop conceding goals.
There is no such thing as the 4 step rule.
Players get paid and get handed jobs in their counties.

thegills · 13-06-2014 3:54am

Everyone outside Dublin wants them to lose.
Teams raise their games for Croker making it harder for Dublin to win.
Dublin have saved GAA football from the negative tactics that were creeping into the game.
Dublin has fewer GAA players than most big counties so are punching way above their weight.
Kilkenny teams of all ages deliberately foul players to stop conceding goals.
There is no such thing as the 4 step rule.
Players get paid and get handed jobs in their counties.

RoyalCelt · 13-06-2014 5:28am

A strict 5/6 step rule should be brought in. 4 steps is too few and no ref ever pulls people up unless they got to 6 plus.

Louth were not wobbed in 2010. The ref was shocking for Meath for 60mins of that match. If he was fair we wouldn't have needed a dodgy goal to win the game. But I wish Seamus Kenny had of just fisted the ball over the bar instead. We would of hockeyed Louth in a replay just like we did in the qualifiers a year later.

wicklowwonder · 13-06-2014 6:09am

Jimoslimos wrote: »

My unpopular opinion: There should be a greater separation of the two codes, perhaps a full split. Too many county boards with vested interests one way or the other. It also seems at times that hurling suffers from trying to conform within the rules and designs of football. Same pitch and goal dimensions, number of players, types of fouls, etc. Probably convenience and resources dictates this.
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Interesting.... I could support that too if done correctly.

BUNK1982 · 13-06-2014 9:11am

Jimoslimos wrote: »

My unpopular opinion: There should be a greater separation of the two codes, perhaps a full split. Too many county boards with vested interests one way or the other. It also seems at times that hurling suffers from trying to conform within the rules and designs of football. Same pitch and goal dimensions, number of players, types of fouls, etc. Probably convenience and resources dictates this.

Young players should be limited to playing at one intercounty age bracket per season - Minor/U21/Senior.

That would be a discriminatory practice against Cork.

rebel girl 15 · 13-06-2014 9:27am

Just a gentle reminder to everyone that this is not AH and there is strict enforcement of the charter for the rest of the championship, few replies above that are borderline

NavyandBlue · 13-06-2014 9:27am

Kerry didn't "hand" the All-Ireland to Dublin in 2011 (as most recently repeated on the Sunday Game by C O'Rourke last Sunday.) Dublin were the better team for the first half (Kerry only managed to score on three occasions), better team for the first ten minutes of the second half (extending their lead to three points) before Kerry dominated from the 43' minute to the 64'. Dublin's goal arose from making a vital turnover in midfield (by pressuring the Kerry man in possession) and then outscored Kerry by three points to one in the final 7 minutes.

adrian522 · 13-06-2014 9:41am

thegills wrote: »

Kilkenny teams of all ages deliberately foul players to stop conceding goals.
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Don't all teams do this? Certainly most do.

Tipperary certainly have no issue with this, the Offaly goalkeeper did this against Kilkenny just last week. In fact I don't think there is a single team that would not do this to prevent scoring goals.

It's certainly not just a Kilkenny thing.

thehouses · 13-06-2014 9:59am

1. Soccer is just as competitive as GAA.
2. Players should be paid. Aren't there many involved in GAA that get paid already?

codie · 13-06-2014 10:11am

The 2006 All-Ireland hurling final that Cork were done out of by the then Kilkenny Predisent Nickey Brennan.You could of done a silage cut that day the grass was so long.His tatic to slow down the likes of Ben and Jerry o Connor.

Opening up Croke Park.Concerts are fine but to give in to foreign sports was a mortal sin.It was the the last bit of heritage we had left.

Hibbeler · 13-06-2014 10:16am

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Louth were not wobbed in 2010. The ref was shocking for Meath for 60mins of that match. If he was fair we wouldn't have needed a dodgy goal to win the game. But I wish Seamus Kenny had of just fisted the ball over the bar instead. We would of hockeyed Louth in a replay just like we did in the qualifiers a year later.

+1

Louth were a point up with 10 mins left and never tried to push on, they just let Meath come at them. You can't expect to win titles without being able to close out the game when you're ahead.

I rate the 96-01 Meath football team with Geraghty, Giles et al. higher than the team of the late eighties and feel that team could have won more

iDave · 13-06-2014 10:24am

Hibbeler wrote: »

+1

Louth were a point up with 10 mins left and never tried to push on, they just let Meath come at them. You can't expect to win titles without being able to close out the game when you're ahead.

I rate the 96-01 Meath football team with Geraghty, Giles et al. higher than the team of the late eighties and feel that team could have won more

Imagine what those Meath teams could of done if they had qualifiers available to them.

adrian522 · 13-06-2014 10:25am

codie wrote: »

The 2006 All-Ireland hurling final that Cork were done out of by the then Kilkenny Predisent Nickey Brennan.You could of done a silage cut that day the grass was so long.His tatic to slow down the likes of Ben and Jerry o Connor.

Opening up Croke Park.Concerts are fine but to give in to foreign sports was a mortal sin.It was the the last bit of heritage we had left.

Wow, didn't realise the GAA president is on grass cutting duty the week before the all ireland. You learn something new everyday.

wicklowwonder · 13-06-2014 10:35am

Tipp should have lost to Galway in the 2010 Quarter Final. Ollie Canning was running the show and they where a point or two up with a few minutes to go and Eoin Kelly crippled him out on the wing. Canning had to go off, Kelly should have been sent off. Galway at sixes and sevens then for last few minutes and lost by a point. Remember at the game and seeing it and was shocked Kelly stayed on the field.

I agree with earlier post that Eoin Kelly was probably the best forward of the 00s. DJ and him in my book. Remember some of the games under Babs he actually single handily carried them. I had never seen such a contribution from one man. Reminded me of Declan Browne in football.

blue note · 13-06-2014 10:37am

I think what needs to be explained is how Galway got to the all Ireland final in 01, 05, 12 instead of why they haven't won an all Ireland.

adrian522 · 13-06-2014 10:41am

Seamus Roche explains 2005.

Prop Joe · 13-06-2014 10:44am

Moving the All - Ireland to incorporate any type of group stage will ruin it.Knockout is the only way.People want blood

iDave · 13-06-2014 10:45am

People who think changing the provincial championships to stand alone competitions are stark raving mad

blue note · 13-06-2014 10:46am

iDave wrote: »

People who think changing the provincial championships to stand alone competitions are stark raving mad

In fairness, other than the Ulster Football and Munster Hurling championships they are fairly expendable.

Hammer Archer · 13-06-2014 10:50am

If the roles in the Leinster final of 2010 had been reversed (i.e. if Louth had scored the last minute goal) there would not have been near the amount of crap spewed in the aftermath and if anyone had the gall to suggest Meath deserved a replay, they would have been laughed at.
The only reason there was such uproar was because it was Meath who benefited from the decision and not Louth. As RoyalCelt said, Sludden rode Meath for the vast majority of that game, giving them soft free after soft free even after their goal which they missed time and time again.

If Meath beat Kildare in the first of the 3 games in 1997, we would have won the All Ireland (and indeed if Kildare had beaten us, they would have won it). While it was an amazing saga, it completely killed our team with Offaly being the main benefactors.

Prop Joe · 13-06-2014 10:59am

blue note wrote: »

In fairness, other than the Ulster Football and Munster Hurling championships they are fairly expendable.

Don't agree at all . Imagine if Laois had beaten the Dubs last Sunday EVERY team left in Leinster would fancy winning it,It probably would be the most competetive.

In Connacht there have been 4 different winners in the last 7 years

Unfortunately in Munster there is only the final and that is a huge occasion.We all live in hope of the breakthrough of Limerick,Tipp or Clare.

Munster Hurling is a holy grail and if Wexford keep progressing they could re-ignite the Leinster

tayto lover · 13-06-2014 11:02am

The Munster SFC is the easiest to win.

iDave · 13-06-2014 11:05am

tayto lover wrote: »

The Munster SFC is the easiest to win.

Try telling that to Waterford, Limerick, Tipp and Clare.

iDave · 13-06-2014 11:06am

Meath were deserving winners of the 1996 All Ireland and were much better than Mayo.

blue note · 13-06-2014 11:11am

Prop Joe wrote: »

Don't agree at all . Imagine if Laois had beaten the Dubs last Sunday EVERY team left in Leinster would fancy winning it,It probably would be the most competetive.

In Connacht there have been 4 different winners in the last 7 years

Unfortunately in Munster there is only the final and that is a huge occasion.We all live in hope of the breakthrough of Limerick,Tipp or Clare.

Munster Hurling is a holy grail and if Wexford keep progressing they could re-ignite the Leinster

But Laois didn't beat Dublin last Sunday. And only one team has beaten Dublin in Leinster in the last 8 years I think.

The Leinster Hurling championship might very well be good in the next few years. Dublin, Galway, KK and Wexford could be quite evenly matched and Laois are worth keeping an eye on. They might cause a few upsets.

donnem33 · 13-06-2014 11:12am

[QUOTE=Munster Hurling is a holy grail and if Wexford keep progressing they could re-ignite the Leinster[/QUOTE]

Leinster has been re-ignited since the introduction of Galway and Antrim. 3 different counties winning in the last 3 years suggests its more open than ever!

Hammer Archer · 13-06-2014 11:26am

iDave wrote: »

Meath were deserving winners of the 1996 All Ireland and were much better than Mayo.

And Liam McHale 100% deserved to be sent off.

ultrapercy · 13-06-2014 11:58am

Hammer Archer wrote: »

And Liam McHale 100% deserved to be sent off.

They were not much better, they were marginally better as reflected by the one point victory after a replay. McHale deserved to be sent off, for stupidity if nothing else but the referee punished one side more than the other by not sending off a player of equal value for Meath and he had at least 10 to choose from. Meath would still have won.
My unpopular opinion is that GAA fans, particularly those who never played the games or played them poorly, are incapable of objective rational thought or maybe any thought at all.

MacBizzle · 13-06-2014 12:10pm

1. Hurling fans often make themselves sound like idiots for putting down football with baseless arguments (and vice versa).

2. Kilkenny fans seem to have become incredibly bitter and insecure since they lost in 2010.

3. At least one hurling semi final should be played in Thurles.

iDave · 13-06-2014 12:15pm

International Rules and Railway Cups should be continued

Prop Joe · 13-06-2014 12:18pm

iDave wrote: »

International Rules and Railway Cups should be continued

Railway Cup defo, IR is a load of dung

patsman07 · 13-06-2014 12:33pm

The old championship system of straight knock-out and only provincial winners contesting All-Ireland semi-finals was better. It led to more exciting games imo.

Because the new system gives teams a second chance it leads to more demands on players in terms of training. Teams like Dublin, Kerry/Tyrone can afford to invest excessive time money and effort into their training as they have the insurance that it won't be all over after one game at the beginning of June.

NavyandBlue · 13-06-2014 12:36pm

Kieran Donaghy, despite having three Celtic crosses, has wasted much of his talent. He spends far too much time whinging, moaning and falling over like a dying swan. For example, he had the beating of his man in the 2011 All-Ireland Final but was too busy trying to manufacture frees instead of doing what he does best - catching a ball out of the clouds and planting it in the net.

Miccoli · 13-06-2014 12:38pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Beat Armagh (with 14 men) in 2006 when big underdogs.
Beat Armagh in replayed semi final in 2000 after a titanic battle.
Beat Galway in 2000 final after a replay.
Beat hot favourites Cork in 2009 final.
First team in 17 years to put titles back to back.

Go again, there I'd say!

Well ahead of armagh at half time in 02 and lost
favourites against Tyrone in 03 and lost , lost in 05 again and were hot favourites in 08 again and lost again after being well ahead.
Probably the worst collapse ever against Dublin in 2011.

Alot of there all ireland wins were very handy.

Prop Joe · 13-06-2014 12:40pm

No such thing as a handy All Ireland

Miccoli · 13-06-2014 12:45pm

Prop Joe wrote: »

No such thing as a handy All Ireland

Take 2004 for Kerry , Beat Limerick , An awful Dublin team ,A Derry team who overachieved, and Mayo who collapsed as per usual. Thats a very handy All Ireland.

Kerrydude1981 · 13-06-2014 12:46pm

Prop Joe wrote: »

No such thing as a handy All Ireland

Dead right

In O9 we were blessed to even see Croke Park,got beat well by Cork in Munster,then on to the qualifiers got well tested by Longford and Antrim

Very lucky to escape with victory from that Sligo game in Tralee as well.

MayoAreMagic · 13-06-2014 12:48pm

thegills wrote: »

Everyone outside Dublin wants them to lose.

Not everyone, and the ones that do have pretty genuine reasons re advantages. Hard to blame them.

Teams raise their games for Croker making it harder for Dublin to win.

The top ones don't, they are playing to their best already, play in croke park often and they are the only ones who are likely to actually beat Dublin.

Dublin have saved GAA football from the negative tactics that were creeping into the game.

So Kerry and Mayo weren't playing good football themselves, just Dublin? I recall Dublin incorporating some negative tactics of their own against both of these teams.

Dublin has fewer GAA players than most big counties so are punching way above their weight.

Completely inaccurate. There are more teams playing in Dublin than anywhere else. Look at the size of their league.

There is no such thing as the 4 step rule.

It is actually the 4 second rule now.

Players get paid and get handed jobs in their counties

Only in counties that can afford it.

Prop Joe · 13-06-2014 12:49pm

Yeah sure look at Dublin last year

Beat Westmeath
The chokers Kildare
Div 3 Meath
Cork under Counihan
An old Kerry team
and Mayo who collapsed as per usual

Not to mention they played all there games at home.

HANDY

Oh and not to forget Tyrone in 2008 (One of the best teams to ever win an all-ireland)

Lost to Down 1st round
Beat Louth
Westmeath
The collapsers Mayo
A ****e Dublin
WEXFORD - Feckin WEXFORD in an AI semi
and Kerry who we all know only got there coz of there handy route,Plus they were never a great team coz they never proved themselves

ProudDUB · 13-06-2014 12:55pm

Prop Joe wrote: »

No such thing as a handy All Ireland

Maybe not. But there is definitely a handier route to the final itself. Wasn't it back in 2012, that Donegal beat Tyrone, Cork, Kerry en route to the AI final. Off all the so called top teams, Mayo had to only Dublin. They definitely had the easier route imo.

Miccoli · 13-06-2014 12:57pm

Prop Joe wrote: »

Yeah sure look at Dublin last year

Beat Westmeath
The chokers Kildare
Div 3 Meath
Cork under Counihan
An old Kerry team
and Mayo who collapsed as per usual

Not to mention they played all there games at home.

HANDY

Spin it whatever you want , Dublin beat five Division 1 teams. Compare that to Kerry who beat two Division 4 teams , Div.1 Cork and Division 3 Cavan on there way to being well beaten by Dublin .

savannahkat · 13-06-2014 12:57pm

In a sport that does not lend itself to excitement I think Dublin are and always were the most entertaining Gaelic football team to watch. I love it when they beat Kerry and Cork especially.

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