Cork GAA Discussion Thread

me89 · 15-07-2013 12:48pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

I'm a Tipp man and I think that Cork @10-1 are great value to win the all Ireland.
A very average Waterford team playing badly sholud have beaten Kilkenny on Saturday night.:cool:

Yes but you could also say that a Kilkenny team playing poorly still managed to knock tipp and waterford out. They will improve from those two games.

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 12:51pm

JBM is the only manager Cody has not beaten.He will be hell bent on doing it.
If horgan is out the game is over before it starts.

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 1:03pm

and waterford out. They will improve from those two games.[/quote]
I agree but two weeks time is short enough so hopefully they will be tired.
Limerick dont look to have the beating of them 3 weeks later if Kk beat us.
Limerick did not look anything special in the first half.Some of their best players were on the bench and should of started.

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 3:45pm

The football will be on the 29th and the hurling the day after.
I hope we play galway as for the fact its cheaper for cork fans as it will more than likely be the gaelic grounds.

If its armagh,id say portlaoise probably.

yomtea98 · 15-07-2013 3:47pm

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

The football will be on the 29th and the hurling the day after.
I hope we play galway as for the fact its cheaper for cork fans as it will more than likely be the gaelic grounds.

If its armagh,id say portlaoise probably.

27th and 28th I presume.The 29th is a Monday

yomtea98 · 15-07-2013 3:52pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

I'm a Tipp man and I think that Cork @10-1 are great value to win the all Ireland.
A very average Waterford team playing badly sholud have beaten Kilkenny on Saturday night.:cool:

We wont win the all Ireland even if we beat KK

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 3:53pm

yomtea98 wrote: »

27th and 28th I presume.The 29th is a Monday

my apologies youre right.
Just saw the football no matter who we play is fixed croke park at 5 as a double header to meath and kildare or tyrone.

A night mare for Cork fans.

yomtea98 · 15-07-2013 3:55pm

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

my apologies youre right.
Just saw the football no matter who we play is fixed croke park at 5 as a double header to meath and kildare or tyrone.

A night mare for Cork fans.

That's a bollocks anyway.

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 3:57pm

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

my apologies youre right.
Just saw the football no matter who we play is fixed croke park at 5 as a double header to meath and kildare or tyrone.

A night mare for Cork fans.

Typical gaa dont give a f***k about the hardcore fans.
To decide on a venue before we know the pairings is madness.

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 4:01pm

yomtea98 wrote: »

That's a bollocks anyway.

To go to croke park for just a qualifer is madness.

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 4:08pm

CORK V kK 28th at 2pm in thurles.

premierstone · 15-07-2013 4:17pm

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

The limerick player was fine.he just thought for a moment he was in the ul swimming pool the way he dropped to the ground.
Mackey and ring were turning in their grave if they thouhht that was dirty.It was no where near dangerous play.

Whatever about the wrongs or rights of the red card, thought it was incredibly harsh myself, to accuse the Limerick man of going down easy or making a meal of it is well wide of the mark and tbh a downright lie, he got a belt of the sliotar in the face and a smack of a hurl in the back of the head ffs.

me89 wrote: »

Yes but you could also say that a Kilkenny team playing poorly still managed to knock tipp and waterford out. They will improve from those two games.

Why will they improve though? There is only one way there graph is going and it aint upwards, I think Cork have a great chance although Horgan is a big loss.

lukin · 15-07-2013 4:42pm

I'd say there won't be 100 Cork fans at Croker for the qualifier v Armagh/Galway. Especially when you factor in the dissatisfaction with Counihan and the hurler's playing the next day. I'll head up myself though.

Zardoz · 15-07-2013 4:49pm

lukin wrote: »

I'd say there won't be 100 Cork fans at Croker for the qualifier v Armagh/Galway. Especially when you factor in the dissatisfaction with Counihan and the hurler's playing the next day. I'll head up myself though.

The GAA really like screwing the Cork supporters.
The best supporters in the country per attendance and they get treated like dirt.

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 4:51pm

lukin wrote: »

I'd say there won't be 100 Cork fans at Croker for the qualifier v Armagh/Galway. Especially when you factor in the dissatisfaction with Counihan and the hurler's playing the next day. I'll head up myself though.

Couinhan then cries the fact that they get no support.He only has himself to blame.

But it should not be in croke park.Im unsure if ill go to it.The hurlers need it more as the footballers should beat armagh.

I have the u21 game wed and its a huge ask on fans to go to every game.
If cork are beaten by armagh then we have sank to new lows.

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 4:53pm

Zardoz wrote: »

The GAA really like screwing the Cork supporters.
The best supporters in the country per attendance and they get treated like dirt.

Its a joke to have that expense lumbered on us for a qualifer.

Jamie Cal · 15-07-2013 4:58pm

lukin wrote: »

I'd say there won't be 100 Cork fans at Croker for the qualifier v Armagh/Galway. Especially when you factor in the dissatisfaction with Counihan and the hurler's playing the next day. I'll head up myself though.

Probably will, too. Wouldn't be much of supporters if we didn't.

Anyway, looking forward to the Cats game. A day out in Thurles at least!

D'Agger · 15-07-2013 5:15pm

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

Couinhan then cries the fact that they get no support.He only has himself to blame.

But it should not be in croke park.Im unsure if ill go to it.The hurlers need it more as the footballers should beat armagh.

I have the u21 game wed and its a huge ask on fans to go to every game.
If cork are beaten by armagh then we have sank to new lows.

How incredibly dismissive of you.

I thought before the hurling this weekend that the general feeling here was one of over confidence that you would beat Limerick, and with my father being from Limerick, I was delighted to hear it because I fancied Limerick to win, The reason I bring it back to the hurling is this - there's nothing wrong with being confident, or even over confident to an extent, but to write off a team like Armagh by saying it would be a 'new low' for Cork football is lol-worthy tbqh

Zardoz · 15-07-2013 5:22pm

D'Agger wrote: »

How incredibly dismissive of you.

I thought before the hurling this weekend that the general feeling here was one of over confidence that you would beat Limerick, and with my father being from Limerick, I was delighted to hear it because I fancied Limerick to win,

Cork would have handily won the match yesterday but for having to play half the match with 14 men .
Limerick were only 2 points ahead with ten minutes to go despite playing against 14 men in extreme heat.

yomtea98 · 15-07-2013 5:27pm

Zardoz wrote: »

Cork would have handily won the match yesterday but for having to play half the match with 14 men .
Limerick were only 2 points ahead with ten minutes to go despite playing against 14 men in extreme heat.

Won the match handily?No chance.With 15 men we probably would not have won either.They were clearly the better team.To say we would have handily with Horgan on is crazy

Zardoz · 15-07-2013 5:32pm

yomtea98 wrote: »

Won the match handily?No chance.With 15 men we probably would not have won either.They were clearly the better team.To say we would have handily with Horgan on is crazy

How were they clearly the better team ??
I do not understand this.
It was 10 points a piece at half time and Cork were the better team in the first half ,they should have been 4-5 points ahead but for poor shooting,they had 10 wides.

Limerick were 3 points ahead after 9 minutes but could only manage 6 more points in 27 minutes .
Cork were the better team in the first half when it was 15 a side,they are slow starters.

yomtea98 · 15-07-2013 5:35pm

Zardoz wrote: »

How were they clearly the better team ??
I do not understand this.
It was 10 points a piece at half time and Cork were the better team in the first half ,they should have been 4-5 points ahead but for poor shooting,they had 10 wides.

Limerick were 3 points ahead after 9 minutes but could only manage 6 more points in 27 minutes .
Cork were the better team in the first half when it was 15 a side,they are slow starters.

The sending meant the game was over but even with him we would have struggled to beat them.We lucky to be so close with not long to go but the final score was a bit too large of difference.

Zardoz · 15-07-2013 5:39pm

yomtea98 wrote: »

The sending meant the game was over but even with him we would have struggled to beat them.We lucky to be so close with not long to go but the final score was a bit too large of difference.

Limerick scored nearly half their scores in the first and last ten minutes .
In the first ten because Cork are slow starters and the last 10 because Cork were knackered ,and Cork usually finish games well .
Cork would have won with 15 men ,no doubt about that.

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 6:04pm

D'Agger wrote: »

How incredibly dismissive of you.

I thought before the hurling this weekend that the general feeling here was one of over confidence that you would beat Limerick, and with my father being from Limerick, I was delighted to hear it because I fancied Limerick to win, The reason I bring it back to the hurling is this - there's nothing wrong with being confident, or even over confident to an extent, but to write off a team like Armagh by saying it would be a 'new low' for Cork football is lol-worthy tbqh

with all due respect the hurling has nothing to do with cork v armagh.

Its stupid to compare both.
This armagh team as results have shown over the last few years bar jamie clarke and Aron kerernan etc are a poor team.
Forget about ten goals against a dismal leitrim team.

The cork team even with a clueless manager has too much talent and even if CC goes with brawn over brains Cork are simply play at a different level to armagh.Our players would just walk through them.

This armagh team is not a patch on the 2002 team.To dress a defeat to them as anything other than a new low is nonense.

If armagh beat Cork Couinhan should be sacked.

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 6:07pm

You are off the mark in to say cork were over confident against limerick.Allen said the same.
Cork knew this would be close and with all our injuries to say we just thought we would win handy is completely rubbish.

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 6:13pm

Zardoz wrote: »

How were they clearly the better team ??
I do not understand this.
It was 10 points a piece at half time and Cork were the better team in the first half ,they should have been 4-5 points ahead but for poor shooting,they had 10 wides.

Limerick were 3 points ahead after 9 minutes but could only manage 6 more points in 27 minutes .
Cork were the better team in the first half when it was 15 a side,they are slow starters.

Agree limerick were well beaten in the first half.To say we would have won handily with 15 is a bit much though.We may well have won but at the very least it would have been a one score and not an 8 point game.For 55 min they struggled with us and down to 14 with all our injuries it was a bridge too far.

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 6:16pm

yomtea98 wrote: »

The sending meant the game was over but even with him we would have struggled to beat them.We lucky to be so close with not long to go but the final score was a bit too large of difference.

Im nt so sure.With 15 men they would have struggled to beat us.Their is just as much basis for that argument as well.

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 8:55pm

U21 team to play tipp
1 patrick collins ballinshaig
2.colm spillane castlelyons
3patrick o mahony midelton
4diarmulid lester bishoptown
5damien cahalane st finbarrs
6chrisopher joyce na piarsaigh
7daniel o mahony carrigtwohill
8brian murray bishopstown
9rob o shea carraigline
10jamie coughlan newtownshandruw
11daire lordan coucrey rovers
12conor lehane midelton
13alan cadogan douglas
14jamie wall kilbrittain
15brian hartnett mildeton

Subs
Tommy wallis midelton
Colm barry castlelyons
Kevin kavanagh carriglaine
Nicky kelly mayfield
Mark sugrue bandon
Kevin hallisey eire og
Barry lawtown castlematryr
Cian buckley
stephen murphy blackrock
Extendend panel
Michael collins
Mark howard
Killian burke

Thinkstoomuch · 15-07-2013 9:18pm

Strong team but hallmarks ger fitz all over it

Nicky kelly who was our best midfielder that he took off while having a fine game against tipp and played a huge part in loosing cant start ahead of a poor brian murray.
Patrick collins is a minor and superb keeper and deserves to start but by the same token pa callaghan and michael cahalane should be added to the panel.

Willam mccarthy who jbm has used should be sub goalie but is not as ger picks he own club man instead.
Cormac walsh and eoghan finn were injured.still it shoudnt affect cork.
Colm barry is much better than daniel o mahony

Killan burke only on the extended panel and no dillon cahill who got 3 goals for cloyne last week and in the form of hes life

He plays colm spillane at corner back yet he is a better full back and mahony a better corner back

Still on paper a superb team good enough to win but do nt be shocked if ger fitz makes a ba**s of it like hes done the last four years and we see a team lacking belief.a flawed game plan and lacking a team unity and work ethic and still loose such is our mastermind in ger fitz ably supported by hes two wise men in dara holland and dara cronin.

The blind leading the blind.i hope for cork hurling im wrong and we still win.

Amprodude · 16-07-2013 12:02am

realdanbreen wrote: »

I'm a Tipp man and I think that Cork @10-1 are great value to win the all Ireland.
A very average Waterford team playing badly sholud have beaten Kilkenny on Saturday night.:cool:

Are u following the same Cork team that i have been watching?

ShamoBuc · 16-07-2013 11:01am

I see we are definitely going to appeal the red card - no harm I suppose. We could certainly do with him , for frees alone. If he does play he should certainly be a bit fired up and with a point to prove, no harm for him with his up and down displays recently.

Thinkstoomuch · 16-07-2013 11:58am

By Michael Moynihan
Horgan was red-carded for a stroke to the head of Limerick’s Paudie O’Brien late in the first half on Sunday, and the Shannonsiders ran out comfortable winners, 0-24 to 0-15 in the second half to collect a first Munster title since 1996.
However, Horgan’s sending off was the major talking point of the game, with many feeling the proceedings tilted decisively in Limerick’s favour when facing 14 men in the second half in very hot conditions.

Kingston also revealed that O’Brien contacted Horgan yesterday to sympathise, adding that he had gone down from the impact of the sliotar hitting him in the face, not from Horgan’s stroke.

“It’s important for us to congratulate Limerick,” said Kingston. “They were deserved winners, they played very well and it’s great for hurling, and for Limerick, that they won a provincial title.

“You could see what it meant to the Limerick supporters to win, and congratulations to them — and to John Allen, who prepared them very well for the game.

“We’d also acknowledge that we should have done better on the scoreboard ourselves in the first half. We had a lot of opportunities which we didn’t take, we’ve plenty of work to do ourselves which has nothing to do with other events in the game.

“We’re not hiding from our own responsibilities as a management team in that regard.

“But I thought the decision to send Patrick off was absolutely extraordinary.”

Kingston added: “I don’t think any of the players, supporters or people watching on television thought it was a red card.

“One Limerick player pushed Patrick away after the incident, but if players see a bad stroke they’re not slow to come in and retaliate as a rule.

“Paudie O’Brien himself told Patrick on the phone he went down with a blow to the face from the sliotar, not from the impact of the hurley, and fair dues to Paudie for doing so.

“We’re not in the business of criticising referees. It’s a very tough job, and you’ve to be strong to be man enough to handle a game in front of over 40,000 people, there’s a lot of pressure that goes with that.

“In that regard I’d just like to think that James [McGrath, the match referee] would be man enough to admit that he didn’t have one of his best days at the office on Sunday, that’s all.”

Kingston said Cork will seek to have Horgan cleared to play in the All-Ireland quarter-final the weekend after next against Kilkenny.

“The referee’s report goes in and we can appeal, and we will certainly be doing that.

“It’s very unfortunate that it’s now on Patrick’s record that he was sent off in a Munster final. I know people always say it about players, but he’s certainly not the kind of individual who collects red cards.

“Last Sunday it was clear: he was going for the ball to knock it down to himself, not trying to strike Paudie down on the head.

“When he was sent off he came over to the sideline and said to myself and Jimmy Barry-Murphy, ‘can you tell me what that was for?’ He was hugely upset by it, obviously enough.”

Referee McGrath was at the centre of another red card controversy earlier this year when he sent off Limerick’s Declan Hannon in the Fitzgibbon Cup semi-final; Hannon was cleared on appeal to play in the decider of the universities’ championship the following day.

Meanwhile, Croke Park chiefs have confirmed that Cork’s All-Ireland SHC quarter-final against Kilkenny will be played at Semple Stadium on Sunday, July 28, throwing it at 2pm.

The game will be followed at 4pm by the clash of Clare and Galway

Thinkstoomuch · 16-07-2013 12:05pm

That clearly rubbishes all the talk horgan had intent.
James mcgrath like mountain lad posted after waterford offaly is truly awful referee.

Hes mistakes are becoming a norm now..He needs to be taken off the panel as soon as possible otherwise the best ever championship will be rememberd for all the wrong reasons.

Freejin · 16-07-2013 12:11pm

anybody know if the shc round 2 match Douglas v barrs is going ahead on Thursday??

Indie. · 16-07-2013 12:25pm

Freejin wrote: »

anybody know if the shc round 2 match Douglas v barrs is going ahead on Thursday??

Yeah still going ahead afaik. Cloughduv @ 7:30

Strange one bringing two city teams out to Cloughduv

keane2097 · 16-07-2013 12:30pm

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

with all due respect the hurling has nothing to do with cork v armagh.

Its stupid to compare both.
This armagh team as results have shown over the last few years bar jamie clarke and Aron kerernan etc are a poor team.
Forget about ten goals against a dismal leitrim team.

The cork team even with a clueless manager has too much talent and even if CC goes with brawn over brains Cork are simply play at a different level to armagh.Our players would just walk through them.

This armagh team is not a patch on the 2002 team.To dress a defeat to them as anything other than a new low is nonense.

If armagh beat Cork Couinhan should be sacked.

lol, get the boat.

Jamie Clarke and Aaron Kernan might be Armagh's only All Star class players but they are far from Armagh's only good players.

The current Cork side have a couple of excellent players, but also have a lot of duds and are nowhere near the standard you'd have to be to call losing to them a new low.

On average, at a neutral venue, Cork are probably 2-3 points better than Armagh. If that match up comes to pass, Cork will probably be around 1/2 or 4/7 and correctly so, which means they lose to Armagh between 30 & 40% of the time.

Calling a loss against this Armagh team "a new low" just means you probably vastly overrate your team, and are probably also blaming the manager way too much. I'm not a huge fan of Counihan myself, but you've jumped the shark baby.

Freejin · 16-07-2013 12:35pm

Indie. wrote: »

Yeah still going ahead afaik. Cloughduv @ 7:30

Strange one bringing two city teams out to Cloughduv

Bruce playing in the park!!!

Thinkstoomuch · 16-07-2013 1:17pm

Freejin wrote: »

anybody know if the shc round 2 match Douglas v barrs is going ahead on Thursday??

Yeah it is .it is very hard on cahalane and cadogan.its no wonder players get injured.

Thinkstoomuch · 16-07-2013 1:39pm

keane2097 wrote: »

lol, get the boat.

Jamie Clarke and Aaron Kernan might be Armagh's only All Star class players but they are far from Armagh's only good players.

The current Cork side have a couple of excellent players, but also have a lot of duds and are nowhere near the standard you'd have to be to call losing to them a new low.

On average, at a neutral venue, Cork are probably 2-3 points better than Armagh. If that match up comes to pass, Cork will probably be around 1/2 or 4/7 and correctly so, which means they lose to Armagh between 30 & 40% of the time.

Calling a loss against this Armagh team "a new low" just means you probably vastly overrate your team, and are probably also blaming the manager way too much. I'm not a huge fan of Counihan myself, but you've jumped the shark baby.

you clearly honey have being get far too much sun to say i overrate cork and blame the manager too much.
CC Is a poor poor manager that guys like kelly collins and sheehan cant get a game.
I know for a fact sheehan was fully fit to start the last day.Not to start a player of sheehans athleticism,pace,creativity and vision and point scoring over Gould was criminal and shows in a nutshell all thats wrong with CC.

Cork in the last 8 years or so have only been beaten by the all ireland champions in kerry and donegal bar when an injury ridden cork were beaten by mayo in 2011.

The fact is we always have been a top 4 manager even with CC.
These are the best players cork have ever had.What have armagh done to say their a top four team?Nothing at all.

These games Cc always win as he doesnt have to think on hes feet.To say cork beaten by armagh is not a new low by hes own poor standards is just wrong.
Anyone that says otherwise has clearly missed the boat.

keane2097 · 16-07-2013 1:49pm

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

you clearly honey have being get far too much sun to say i overrate cork and blame the manager too much.
CC Is a poor poor manager that guys like kelly collins and sheehan cant get a game.
I know for a fact sheehan was fully fit to start the last day.Not to start a player of sheehans athleticism,pace,creativity and vision and point scoring over Gould was criminal and shows in a nutshell all thats wrong with CC.

Cork in the last 8 years or so have only been beaten by the all ireland champions in kerry and donegal bar when an injury ridden cork were beaten by mayo in 2011.

The fact is we always have been a top 4 manager even with CC.
These are the best players cork have ever had.What have armagh done to say their a top four team?Nothing at all.

These games Cc always win as he doesnt have to think on hes feet.To say cork beaten by armagh is not a new low by hes own poor standards is just wrong.
Anyone that says otherwise has clearly missed the boat.

Never said anything approaching Armagh are a top four team. They're probably 10th. Losing a 65-35 game is not a new low, it's not a low full stop.

Thinkstoomuch · 16-07-2013 2:01pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Never said anything approaching Armagh are a top four team. They're probably 10th. Losing a 65-35 game is not a new low, it's not a low full stop.

So a top 4 team,div1 team loosing to a team below them ranked 10th as you put it is hardly a high either so in your eyes what exactly is it,if it aint a low?

keane2097 · 16-07-2013 2:15pm

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

So a top 4 team,div1 team loosing to a team below them ranked 10th as you put it is hardly a high either so in your eyes what exactly is it,if it aint a low?

Part and parcel?

Thinkstoomuch · 16-07-2013 2:23pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Part and parcel?

You cant give it a simple straight answer,if it is not a low as you strongly argued,what is it exactly.that alone answers it for me.

A top 4 team loosing to a team ranked 10th is a low.Fact.

I'll agree to dissagree.

keane2097 · 16-07-2013 2:28pm

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

You cant give it a simple straight answer,if it is not a low as you strongly argued,what is it exactly.that alone answers it for me.

A top 4 team loosing to a team ranked 10th is a low.Fact.

I'll agree to dissagree.

I've found all the best false dichotomies tend to be "yes or no" questions.

premierstone · 16-07-2013 3:49pm

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

You cant give it a simple straight answer,if it is not a low as you strongly argued,what is it exactly.that alone answers it for me.

A top 4 team loosing to a team ranked 10th is a low.Fact.

I'll agree to dissagree.

But you said it would be an all time low, do you now admit you were been over the top?

ShamoBuc · 16-07-2013 3:57pm

Listen, Cork are going to do the double, a - near - All Time High...:)

Think happy thoughts..:pac:

Thinkstoomuch · 16-07-2013 4:04pm

premierstone wrote: »

But you said it would be an all time low, do you now admit you were been over the top?

part and parcel is my answer.
I asked a simple question and failed to get an answer.
It turned in to more a like a game of scrabble in the end.

keane2097 · 16-07-2013 4:13pm

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

part and parcel is my answer.
I asked a simple question and failed to get an answer.
It turned in to more a like a game of scrabble in the end.

You're similarly failing to answer premierstone's question.

See, it's no fun when someone tries to force you to answer a question that doesn't actually address the issue. It's a ****ty way to try an argument.

False Dilemma or Dichotomy
A false dichotomy or false dilemma occurs when an argument presents two options and ignores, either purposefully or out of ignorance, other alternatives.

In general, a false dichotomy gives the impression that the two oppositie options are mutually exclusive (that is, only one of them may be the case, never both) and that at least one of them is true, that is, they represent all of the possible options.

False dichotomy examples

For example, the claim that “you’re either with me, or you’re against me” is an example of a false dichotomy. This form of rhetoric is used to persuade or even threaten, but it ignores the fact that the individual or group addressed may have a neutral opinion towards the speaker. It is logically possible for someone to be neither with nor against an individual.

A more obvious example would be the claim ‘All animals are either mammals or fish.’ We could use that, with the premise ‘my pet parrot is not a mammal’ to conclude that ‘my pet parrot is a fish’. Clearly, something went wrong. The problem here is not a failure of logic in the argument form, but that the first premise is a false dichotomy. That premise is false — there are also birds, for one, as well as other groups of animals.

Falsum in uno, falsum in omnibus

A special version of this fallacy is known as falsum in uno, falsum in omnibus, essentially “false in something, false in everything”. This is a combination of a false dichotomy and an ad hominem attack, because it attempts to disregard everything the person is saying by the claim that they’re either presenting the truth or presenting falsehoods. It ignores the possibility that the individual is wrong about one thing but right about others. The fact that someone has been proven wrong about claims they made is a potential reason to suspect other claims they make, but not a logical reason to disregard them entirely.

EDIT: In case further clarification is needed, Townes van Zandt should be clear enough

Thinkstoomuch · 16-07-2013 4:38pm

keane2097 wrote: »

You're similarly failing to answer premierstone's question.

See, it's no fun when someone tries to force you to answer a question that doesn't actually address the issue. It's a ****ty way to try an argument.

EDIT: In case further clarification is needed, Townes van Zandt should be clear enough

Part and parcel is my answer.

keane2097 · 16-07-2013 4:45pm

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

Part and parcel is my answer.

Listen, this isn't a blog site. If you want to discuss a topic, you don't introduce false yes/no scenarios in order to try and shut someone who is disagreeing with you up. If you want to own the conversation and refuse to engage properly, I recommend wordpress, blogger or a million other places where you can write away to your heart's content and turn off comments. Here on boards.ie you don't get to ask a question and tell someone what their answers are allowed to be. If that makes you want to take your ball and go home grand, come back when you enter your teens.

Hope this helps.

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