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Dublin v. Tipperary, SHC QF, Semple Stadium, Thurles 4.00 pm

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  • #152
    savannahkat
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    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    What was the song the tipp fans behind the goal were singing after they scored their second goal?

    "To dream the impossible dream" :D


  • #153
    RoyalCelt
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    savannahkat wrote: »
    "To dream the impossible dream" :D

    are you taking the piss? I honestly can't tell haha.

    this song?

    Anyway it was right after the second goal and they were all singing it not just a small group. Reminded me a bit of the fields of athenry...


  • #154
    savannahkat
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    :rolleyes::):P:D:


  • #155
    Amprodude
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    I thought the Tipp fans were singing to the Dubs "Its a long long way to Tipperary" "its a long way to home". How dare they. :-)


  • #156
    dirtyden
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    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    are you taking the piss? I honestly can't tell haha.

    this song?

    Anyway it was right after the second goal and they were all singing it not just a small group. Reminded me a bit of the fields of athenry...

    I would imagine that song would have been Slievenamon. Would not be a million miles away in timbre from the fields of Athenry alright.


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  • #157
    savannahkat
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/brin-cody-defends-dublin-hurlers-1.1883996


  • #158
    Grats
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    savannahkat wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/brin-cody-defends-dublin-hurlers-1.1883996

    Read that article. Perhaps he's referring to Cusack and Loughnane getting carried away on the Sunday Game. They brought up the subject of dual players and attributed the Dublin loss to it. They clearly had it on their agenda but it looked ridiculous on the night as it was out of context. Dublin were unfortunate not to reach the Final last year. They were well below that standard this year but as they didn't have any dual players to lose it had nothing to do with their poor displays this year.

    Cusack and Loughnane were probably having a go at their own counties but didn't camouflage it very well in their rush to pedal their agenda. Completely missed an opportunity to discuss the actual facts relating to Dublin hurling.


  • #159
    An Citeog
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    Grats wrote: »
    Read that article. Perhaps he's referring to Cusack and Loughnane getting carried away on the Sunday Game. They brought up the subject of dual players and attributed the Dublin loss to it. They clearly had it on their agenda but it looked ridiculous on the night as it was out of context. Dublin were unfortunate not to reach the Final last year. They were well below that standard this year but as they didn't have any dual players to lose it had nothing to do with their poor displays this year.

    Cusack and Loughnane were probably having a go at their own counties but didn't camouflage it very well in their rush to pedal their agenda. Completely missed an opportunity to discuss the actual facts relating to Dublin hurling.

    The point was that the best underage hurlers in Dublin over the last few years have also been the best underage footballers,the 2 standouts being Ciaran Kilkenny and Cormac Costello. These lads will invariably choose football over hurling as the prestige of being a Dublin footballer is far greater than that of being a hurler which is evidenced by both the media coverage and the support the footballers get.


  • #160
    Grats
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    An Citeog wrote: »
    The point was that the best underage hurlers in Dublin over the last few years have also been the best underage footballers,the 2 standouts being Ciaran Kilkenny and Cormac Costello. These lads will invariably choose football over hurling as the prestige of being a Dublin footballer is far greater than that of being a hurler which is evidenced by both the media coverage and the support the footballers get.

    Shur we know all that but it has nothing to do with the contrasting fortunes of Dublin hurling from 2013 to 2014. Neither of those players were with Dublin senior hurlers.


  • #161
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Grats wrote: »
    Shur we know all that but it has nothing to do with the contrasting fortunes of Dublin hurling from 2013 to 2014. Neither of those players were with Dublin senior hurlers.

    But that is relevant to the contrasting fortunes of Dublin from 2013 to 14. One of their points was that Danny Sutcliffe is one of the only really top class new players Daly has brought in. It's not that Daly can't see good players, it's that the best ones aren't playing hurling after a certain age. The team is going stale as a result.

    The stuff about their players not being 'natural' hurlers is a slightly different point, and not really a valid one IMO, it seems to me to be a thinly veiled bit of hurling snobbery about people from traditional strongholds being more 'natural'. Which is nonsense. If any of these lads had been saying the same things when Dublin won the League and won Leinster and almost beat Cork to get to an AI final, the point would still have been nonsense, but it would have made it a little more credible now, when they had a poor year.


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  • #162
    An Citeog
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    Grats wrote: »
    Shur we know all that but it has nothing to do with the contrasting fortunes of Dublin hurling from 2013 to 2014. Neither of those players were with Dublin senior hurlers.

    It's still the point that was being made that you seemingly failed to pick up on. Dublin hurling won't push on to the next level until the best young hurlers in the county either choose hurling over football (not likely) or are hurling only.


  • #163
    Grats
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    I absolutely did not miss the point. There was nothing wrong with Dublin hurling just 12 months ago. Success at minor and under 21 was been achieved regularly. The hurling pool was getting bigger and the seniors had won a Leinster title having already won a League title. Had Ryan O'Dwyer not been sent off Dublin could very well have been in the Final and won it. Kilkenny and Costelloe were never part of the senior set up. The contrasting fortunes from one year to the next had nothing to do with them. The dual players argument had nothing to do with the dismal performances this year.

    Galway's contrasting fortunes from 2012 to 2013 wasn't put down to dual players.


  • #164
    Grats
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    An Citeog wrote: »
    It's still the point that was being made that you seemingly failed to pick up on. Dublin hurling won't push on to the next level until the best young hurlers in the county either choose hurling over football (not likely) or are hurling only.

    While I agree with the issue of Dublin pushing on the below par performance this year is a different matter. The Dublin panel are relatively young and should have been well capable of bigger performances this year. Their fitness levels and mental attitude was more pertinent.


  • #165
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Grats wrote: »
    I absolutely did not miss the point. There was nothing wrong with Dublin hurling just 12 months ago. Success at minor and under 21 was been achieved regularly. The hurling pool was getting bigger and the seniors had won a Leinster title having already won a League title. Had Ryan O'Dwyer not been sent off Dublin could very well have been in the Final and won it. Kilkenny and Costelloe were never part of the senior set up. The contrasting fortunes from one year to the next had nothing to do with them. The dual players argument had nothing to do with the dismal performances this year.

    Galway's contrasting fortunes from 2012 to 2013 wasn't put down to dual players.
    Losing Kilkenny and Costello would be something akin to losing Buckley and Padraig Walsh. You can argue that those lads not being there isn't an excuse for the performance of those that are, but if Kilkenny, looking at any given u21 team, but especially a very strong one, were to expect that the best two or three players from that team, and every other under age team you produce, will not be available, then gradually that will wear away at your ability to produce good teams. How many players played for Dublin last week who even got their senior debut under Daly?


  • #166
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Grats wrote: »
    While I agree with the issue of Dublin pushing on the below par performance this year is a different matter. The Dublin panel are relatively young and should have been well capable of bigger performances this year. Their fitness levels and mental attitude was more pertinent.

    I think you're correct on this point by the way. But the dual player thing is still relevant and shouldn't be overlooked. there aren't many new players coming in to seriously put pressure on those that are on the starting 15. There's only one direction a team in that situation ever goes and that's down. It would be a shame given all the work and effort and money that went into getting the Dubs into a position to challenge in the first place to let it go now. It's just a matter of rethinking the development squad set up, and making young lads choose earlier which code they want to pursue at inter-county. If that means losing Costellos and Kilkennys at a younger age, so be it, at least the resources will be put into someone who wants to play.


  • #167
    Grats
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    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    I think you're correct on this point by the way. But the dual player thing is still relevant and shouldn't be overlooked. there aren't many new players coming in to seriously put pressure on those that are on the starting 15. There's only one direction a team in that situation ever goes and that's down. It would be a shame given all the work and effort and money that went into getting the Dubs into a position to challenge in the first place to let it go now. It's just a matter of rethinking the development squad set up, and making young lads choose earlier which code they want to pursue at inter-county. If that means losing Costellos and Kilkennys at a younger age, so be it, at least the resources will be put into someone who wants to play.

    Yes, time for a review of Dublin hurling. A lot achieved but somewhat static at present.


  • #168
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Grats wrote: »
    Yes, time for a review of Dublin hurling. A lot achieved but somewhat static at present.

    Still producing it underage though (if they can hold onto the players), so no reason for panic, but the current success was all planned (actually they had expected more by now, the Blue Wave report a few years back aimed at winning one in three football AIs and one in five hurling AIs. Clearly, since on present trend they are actually exceeding their aims for football, they feel in the DCB that the capacity is there to produce AI winners in hurling), I suppose it's just a matter of adjusting the plan.

    Course there's serious risks with asking younger kids to choose one code or other that they may go disproportionately for football. The goal should probably be to get lads that are clearly better at hurling to go for it. To some extent that was what the current senior team are so important for: if they win (or maybe at this stage, 'had won') an All Ireland it's much easier to persuade young lads, because the lure of All Irelands in football is something that they just can't match. Leinsters and Leagues are great to win but there's nothing like an AI.


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