N7 - Newlands Cross upgrade

Sponge Bob · 19-10-2010 9:10am

In principle while I concede Newlands cross needs doing first the next most important road is Galway - Cork ( all of it) and not these motorway widening schemes they keep slithering out unannounced in Dublin to waste the roads budget with.

Slow roads don't kill and maim people but bad ones certainly do.

The proposed three laning around Shankill in south Dublin would the fourth major road scheme on that stretch in more or less 20 years which is a complete waste of public money

At least the Galway - Cork jobs will last a lot longer than that because they are getting them right first time.

spacetweek · 19-10-2010 7:42pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

The proposed three laning around Shankill in south Dublin would the fourth major road scheme on that stretch in more or less 20 years which is a complete waste of public money

Absolute rubbish. Both "safety improvement" (due to saved lives) and "capacity enhancement" (increased economic growth) are perfectly good reasons to invest in a road scheme.

Wild Bill · 19-10-2010 10:45pm

luohaoran wrote: »

Thats more like it!

You were the one who said your opinion did not correspond to your logic, not me.

Eh...no. I never did. Let me reprise. You responded to this quote from me:

"I am seriously unconvinced by folk who'd rate work on the M17/18/20 ahead of this - traffic volumes should dictate priorities when money is tight; not regional pleading."

You stated, and you still claim, that because my prescription will lead to only building roads around Dublin (in your view) that my statement above is illogical.

No it was not! "traffic volumes should dictate priorities when money is tight; not regional pleading" is a point of view.

Logic isn't defined by whether some pov results in roads being built around Dublin or not!

luohaoran wrote: »

I'm not sure we're working from the same definition of the word logic.

That's for sure; I tend to go with the dictionary definition.

luohaoran wrote: »

To me, logically speaking, if you are going to base your road building on traffic counts, then the overwhelming majority of your road building will be where traffic counts are highest.

100% correct.

luohaoran wrote: »

Are you suggesting that does not mean near Dublin?

Nope. I made no suggestion where they might be built (bar NX) until further along in the exchange when I said in passing that there may be areas outside Dublin that qualify - but I don't know and don't care really.

luohaoran wrote: »

My argument is based largely on the idea that you should build your roads where you want development to take place. Which unless I've completely misunderstood , you disagree with.

No, I agree. But I'd like development to be concentrated in Dublin. And roads to be built in the first instance where the need already exists.

luohaoran wrote: »

Just don't see how you can describe a) and b) above, as "non-suquitor". I would have went for ergo.

Ergo eh? I prefer to call a spade a spade.

luohaoran wrote: »

You're not going to get high traffic counts in the West like you will around Dublin, ergo, using your opinion/logic, the West will loose out to Dublin.

Correct.

luohaoran wrote: »

And in fact, always has. Have you ever driven between the second and third largest conurbations in the Republic? It's kinda shocking.
Despite the so-called balanced approach, and some Western Corridor development, we remain very poorly connected in the West. The only place we can get to easily, is... wait for it... Dublin.

Reality rarely shocks me.

luohaoran wrote: »

I'm not saying that the interurbans shouldn't have been the first to be built. But I would say, for the benefit of the entire country, the Atlantic Corridor should take precedence. With some sensible weighting against the likely higher traffic counts near Dublin.

I disagree. :cool:

robert muldoon · 14-01-2011 8:55pm

Was on to NRA today about the award of contract for this project and N11.
They informed me that the contract will not be awarded untill April, so that puts the whole completion date back well into 2012, There was no reason given for delay

dubhthach · 14-01-2011 9:11pm

robert muldoon wrote: »

Was on to NRA today about the award of contract for this project and N11.
They informed me that the contract will not be awarded untill April, so that puts the whole completion date back well into 2012, There was no reason given for delay

With an election likely to happen in March/early april it's no wonder no decision is been made. I assume the same will probably have regarding the N17/N18 as well :rolleyes:

Chris_5339762 · 15-01-2011 11:39am

The M17/18 may be slightly less likely to go ahead with another party in charge, but I reckon even if the Greens were in charge on their own they'd do Newlands and the M11 gap.

busman · 15-01-2011 12:37pm

Tremelo wrote: »

When was the last time someone was killed or maimed at Newlands Cross? It is not and never was solely about AADTs Bill.

Last time someone Killed : 2007?

The RSA have a map that shows collisions for 2006-8

mk6705 · 15-01-2011 3:00pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

The M17/18 may be slightly less likely to go ahead with another party in charge, but I reckon even if the Greens were in charge on their own they'd do Newlands and the M11 gap.

If the Greens were in charge they'd stop all road building and give us all bicycles instead. Hopefully, they'll be destroyed completely in the next election. Even for environmental causes, they do little.

Setanta_og · 16-01-2011 5:08pm

luohaoran wrote: »

Thats more like it!

"Despite the so-called balanced approach, and some Western Corridor development, we remain very poorly connected in the West. The only place we can get to easily, is... wait for it... Dublin."

"I'm not saying that the interurbans shouldn't have been the first to be built. But I would say, for the benefit of the entire country, the Atlantic Corridor should take precedence. With some sensible weighting against the likely higher traffic counts near Dublin."

What type of cockology is this.........? Enda hardly has his legs under the table and you’re away with your begging bowl mentality of political patronism.

Do you not see that this type of lunacy has established a form of politics on the island that has held us in a grip of inertia since independence.
Resulting in a gombean system that allowed the continuous and ongoing election of cute whures to DE. People of limited ability vision or enterprise except for a cute awareness that by indulging the likes of you and yours with your parochial self-serving demands meant that he/she can continue living the life, surrounded by the best that money (TAX payer’s money) can buy in the great con job on Kildare Street.

After all the shananagings and revelation we have witnessed on the island over the last two years any chance of real political change will never occur if people with your attitude continue to use and expect politics to cater for your exclusive demands.

I would like to know what are the stats on passenger usage of the Claremorris - Limerick Rail corridor which was demanded by a similar lobby which you seem to epitomise. This project represents all that is wrong with our present political decision making process allowing such gross mismanagement of exchequer funds.

If we are ever to rise again as any sort of an economic force then change to the political system is needed and fast this will certainly not come through pressure lobbyist like you.

What we need is a slimmed down electoral system and process that allows real intelligence to lead
Look for example to Finland this is a country of 5.3 million around two-thirds of Finland is covered in mountain and forest and about a tenth by water. In the north, the sun does not set for around 10 weeks during the 'White Nights' of summer, while in winter it does not rise above the horizon for nearly eight weeks. Hardly the most favourable environment (no disrespect)
However look at their economic success compared to ours next time your with a group of people carry out the following survey to confirm my point.
Just ask them to take out their mobile phone chances are that up to 75% of the phones will be Nokia.
Where was the world leading brand Nokia developed designed and headquartered you guessed it Finland. QED. While the Finns were innovating a product that would storm the world market what were our geniuses in DE doing in comparison answer VERY LITTLE except inviting transient employers like Dell to set up only to abandon operations as soon as it became more advantageous to them.
No my friend it the people with the NOKIA vision we need in DE. Not the gombean element who panders to local pressure pressure groups in order to maintain their seats.
Of course the attendance now and again at the local GAA match (nothing wrong with that except the motivation) Wedding Christening Funeral and Parish dance to say nothing of a clinic on Saturdays morning and Wednesday evening at which he/she will claim to get you anything from Planning permission to Grants for replacement windows or the old chestnut the Medical Card ignoring the fact that these things are really non of their business or that processes exist and are provided for by the state to deal with these very issues.
Change

Geogregor · 17-01-2011 7:24pm

Setanta_og wrote: »

What type of cockology is this.........? Enda hardly has his legs under the table and you’re away with your begging bowl mentality of political patronism.

Do you not see that this type of lunacy has established a form of politics on the island that has held us in a grip of inertia since independence.
Resulting in a gombean system that allowed the continuous and ongoing election of cute whures to DE. People of limited ability vision or enterprise except for a cute awareness that by indulging the likes of you and yours with your parochial self-serving demands meant that he/she can continue living the life, surrounded by the best that money (TAX payer’s money) can buy in the great con job on Kildare Street.

After all the shananagings and revelation we have witnessed on the island over the last two years any chance of real political change will never occur if people with your attitude continue to use and expect politics to cater for your exclusive demands.

I would like to know what are the stats on passenger usage of the Claremorris - Limerick Rail corridor which was demanded by a similar lobby which you seem to epitomise. This project represents all that is wrong with our present political decision making process allowing such gross mismanagement of exchequer funds.

If we are ever to rise again as any sort of an economic force then change to the political system is needed and fast this will certainly not come through pressure lobbyist like you.

What we need is a slimmed down electoral system and process that allows real intelligence to lead
Look for example to Finland this is a country of 5.3 million around two-thirds of Finland is covered in mountain and forest and about a tenth by water. In the north, the sun does not set for around 10 weeks during the 'White Nights' of summer, while in winter it does not rise above the horizon for nearly eight weeks. Hardly the most favourable environment (no disrespect)
However look at their economic success compared to ours next time your with a group of people carry out the following survey to confirm my point.
Just ask them to take out their mobile phone chances are that up to 75% of the phones will be Nokia.
Where was the world leading brand Nokia developed designed and headquartered you guessed it Finland. QED. While the Finns were innovating a product that would storm the world market what were our geniuses in DE doing in comparison answer VERY LITTLE except inviting transient employers like Dell to set up only to abandon operations as soon as it became more advantageous to them.
No my friend it the people with the NOKIA vision we need in DE. Not the gombean element who panders to local pressure pressure groups in order to maintain their seats.
Of course the attendance now and again at the local GAA match (nothing wrong with that except the motivation) Wedding Christening Funeral and Parish dance to say nothing of a clinic on Saturdays morning and Wednesday evening at which he/she will claim to get you anything from Planning permission to Grants for replacement windows or the old chestnut the Medical Card ignoring the fact that these things are really non of their business or that processes exist and are provided for by the state to deal with these very issues.
Change

Could you explain what your post has to do with N7 Newlands Cross upgrade?
However entertaining read it is I fail to see the point of connection.

Wild Bill · 17-01-2011 10:46pm

Geogregor wrote: »

Could you explain what your post has to do with N7 Newlands Cross upgrade?
However entertaining read it is I fail to see the point of connection.

Problem is it was responding to an off-topic whinge.

What else could he do?

Guy:Incognito · 07-02-2011 7:00pm

busman wrote: »

Last time someone Killed : 2007?

The RSA have a map that shows collisions for 2006-8

Someone was killed in a stolen car at Newlands a couple of months ago.

highdef · 09-02-2011 1:16pm

Well if it was someone in a stolen car, then I would assume that they were most likely not driving for the conditions of the junction at all. I would completely discount that particular fatality. Although being slightly pre-judgemental, most stolen cars drive at very high speeds and in an extremely dangerous and erratic manner therefore I would say that there was a very high chance that this stolen car would most likely have crashed at some point on it's journey. It just happened to be Newlands Cross for this unfortunate joy rider. If he'she had not had the collision here, it wold have been very likely to have happened somewhere else in the "journey". That's like saying that if 1 or more people manage to roll over their stolen car in the middle of a quiet middle class housing and kill themselves in the process, then the street/road in question is then deemed to be very dangerous as a result. Of course that wouldn't happen, it would be just discounted as being a freak incident due to dangerous driving rather than problems with the environment causing the deaths.

Great to hear that the junction is going to be upgraded though....hopefully the Palmerstown junctions on the N4 will follow suit sometime soon

veryangryman · 09-02-2011 1:18pm

highdef wrote: »

Well if it was someone in a stolen car, then I would assume that they were most likely not driving for the conditions of the junction at all. I would completely discount that particular fatality. Although being slightly pre-judgemental, most stolen cars drive at very high speeds and in an extremely dangerous and erratic manner therefore I would say that there was a very high chance that this stolen car would most likely have crashed at some point on it's journey. It just happened to be Newlands Cross for this unfortunate joy rider. If he'she had not had the collision here, it wold have been very likely to have happened somewhere else in the "journey". That's like saying that if 1 or more people manage to roll over their stolen car in the middle of a quiet middle class housing and kill themselves in the process, then the street/road in question is then deemed to be very dangerous as a result. Of course that wouldn't happen, it would be just discounted as being a freak incident due to dangerous driving rather than problems with the environment causing the deaths.

Great to hear that the junction is going to be upgraded though....hopefully the Palmerstown junctions on the N4 will follow suit sometime soon

Doubt Palmerstown will ever be done. Then wed only be complaining about Ballyfermot, Chapelizod etc junctions. Traffics gotta slow down somewhere - you cant have someone braking suddenly at Heuston 90 degree turn for instance

highdef · 09-02-2011 2:55pm

That's very true, I must admit. However, I turn off just after palmerstown and head towards Chapelizod as I work in Inchicore west. So i guess it's pure IMBYism on my part as traffic further on would most likely not affect me. I shouldn't be so selfish......I should be more emphatic!!!

robert muldoon · 09-02-2011 2:56pm

veryangryman wrote: »

Doubt Palmerstown will ever be done. Then wed only be complaining about Ballyfermot, Chapelizod etc junctions. Traffics gotta slow down somewhere - you cant have someone braking suddenly at Heuston 90 degree turn for instance

I think we wont hear any thing untill April about Newlands and N11 upgrade,if we hear at all!!

starviewadams · 09-02-2011 4:22pm

There were guys out measuring stuff at Newlands X this morning,saw them from my bedroom window so couldn't make out who they were for definite,but they looked like the surveyor guys who were taking photo's etc around the time PP was being applied for a few years ago.

L1011 · 09-02-2011 7:23pm

veryangryman wrote: »

Doubt Palmerstown will ever be done. Then wed only be complaining about Ballyfermot, Chapelizod etc junctions. Traffics gotta slow down somewhere - you cant have someone braking suddenly at Heuston 90 degree turn for instance

Palmerston would release another few km of grade seperated DC, though. Unlike every other route in to the city, the N4 route actually has a substantial amount of grade seperated DC inside the M50.

Conway635 · 13-02-2011 1:13pm

If you wanted to be really cheap you could always have a unidirectional mini-flyover for outbound only!

C635

regedit · 23-05-2011 1:52pm

Does anyone have anything on the Newland's Cross Upgrade? Have they given up on it for 2011?

Edit: I checked: http://roads.southdublin.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=179&Itemid=244
and they're saying: Present Position: May 2011 - The construction scheme is part of a PPP bundle contract being organised by the NRA which includes the Rathnew Bypass in County Wicklow. The tendering process is well advanced and it is expected that a contract will be signed in 2011. Construction is expected to take 21 months to complete the junction.

Chris_5339762 · 23-05-2011 4:48pm

PPP funding is extremely hard to get at the moment due to the debt situation. I'd say this one is more likely to get funded than the M17/18 PPP due to the fact that its basically 25km of motorway and a small bridge. Its cheap enough.

Mind you, Newlands should never have been done as a PPP, that was a ridiculous decision. It should be funded directly by the government and should have been done along with the Naas road upgrades anyway. The fact that it wasnt is absolutely shameful.

L1011 · 23-05-2011 7:28pm

The need to have the Naas Road upgrade finished for the Ryder Cup was the most likely reason they didn't do NX at the same time.

regedit · 23-05-2011 7:34pm

MYOB wrote: »

The need to have the Naas Road upgrade finished for the Ryder Cup was the most likely reason they didn't do NX at the same time.

Agreed however upgrading the M50 and the interchanges basically defeats the purpose without the NLX being upgraded. Traffic tails back on the M50 to NLX most eveings

Chris_5339762 · 23-05-2011 8:01pm

MYOB wrote: »

The need to have the Naas Road upgrade finished for the Ryder Cup was the most likely reason they didn't do NX at the same time.

I've heard that argument before but most of the Ryder Cup traffic would have come from Dublin Airport anyway, so would have to go through Newlands. If anything, it would have had to have been MORE of a priority than the Naas Road. Besides, adding one extra junction to the upgrades would have been sensible.

I still think the reason that it hasnt been done yet is incompetence, nothing but. It slipped through the cracks and got forgotten. Whilst building the overpass wont make anything like as much of a difference as people think (it'll jam up in the morning just as badly because traffic jams back from Long Mile and the M50 anyway, evenings will be better but the bottleneck will still be the end of the 3 lane section to the Waterford junction).

That said, the money going to Longford and Belturbet should have been spent on Newlands, no questions asked

Jayuu · 23-05-2011 10:53pm

Whatever about doing it for the Ryder Cup, not including it as part of the M50 upgrade was bad decision making of the highest order.

"Let's see, we'll spend a fortune taking out the Red Cow roundabout so as to make it easier to access the N7 but we'll leave the major junction half a mile down the road untouched." No doubt somebody got a promotion for that one!

Wild Bill · 24-05-2011 11:07pm

The Red Cow free-flow made an enormous difference, even without NX. :cool:

Chris_5339762 · 25-05-2011 1:17pm

True, it did, but leaving Newlands sitting there basically joining the M50 with the M7, 8 AND 9 was ludicrous.

spacetweek · 25-05-2011 2:24pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

True, it did, but leaving Newlands sitting there basically joining the M50 with the M7, 8 AND 9 was ludicrous.

Keep in mind that Newlands was originally meant to start in 2010 and be completed late 11. It'd nearly be finished by now only for our possible default.

Jayuu · 27-05-2011 11:38am

Wild Bill wrote: »

The Red Cow free-flow made an enormous difference, even without NX. :cool:

Not disputing that at all. That being said at evening peak traffic tails back from NX almost back onto the M50 thus sometimes negating the money spent.

It was really short-sighted not to work on this when the M50 was being upgraded. A similar junction on the N4 was upgraded while the M50 was being done. I know it wasn't officially part of the M50 upgrade.

Chris_5339762 · 27-05-2011 9:30pm

Traffic frequently tails back from NX onto the M50 and all the way to J10 Ballymount creating a terribly dangerous queueing situation as traffic coming onto the M50 from J10 has to battle through the tailback for NX.

I'd always go via Tallaght and up the ORR onto the N7 if I was doing it on a Friday evening. I just still cannot fathom how, after all the interurban building and all the motorway programme thus far, that Newlands is STILL sitting there as a set of traffic lights. Its absolutey scandelous.

PseudoFamous · 02-06-2011 8:37pm

I was under the impression that this thread was about a Junction on a motorway, not about taxation, banking or bailouts

weehamster · 02-06-2011 9:40pm

As a temporary measure, why doesn't SDCC simply ban right turns, erect temporary concrete barriers across the medium and if anyone needs to get to the far side, use the junctions before and after Newlands X to get accross. I can't see why it won't work.

We simply don't have the cash but we need to solve the congestion, even if it's only temporary.

Jayuu · 02-06-2011 10:08pm

weehamster wrote: »

As a temporary measure, why doesn't SDCC simply ban right turns, erect temporary concrete barriers across the medium and if anyone needs to get to the far side, use the junctions before and after Newlands X to get accross. I can't see why it won't work.

We simply don't have the cash but we need to solve the congestion, even if it's only temporary.

Honestly I don't think this would be a workable solution for right turning traffic (i.e. traffic looking to get to the far side of the road).

Yes, rightbound traffic from Tallaght > N7 inbound or the N7 outbound > Clondalkin could go as far as Junction 2 to turnaround. But it would add a bit to their journey and put a lot of strain on that junction. There would be a lot of complaints but you possibly could get away with it.

However rightbound traffic from Clondakin > N7 outbound or N7 inbound > Tallaght) would be forced in beyond the M50 junction because its not possible to do a loop on the M50/N7 interchange as its currently configured. Therefore all this traffic would have to continue through to the Nass Road/Nangor Road junction which has a huge amount of traffic lights to be negotiated in order to do a loop around. It would create huge congestion on this junction and simply be unworkable.

spacetweek · 06-06-2011 3:51pm

Jayuu wrote: »

However rightbound traffic from Clondakin > N7 outbound or N7 inbound > Tallaght) would be forced in beyond the M50 junction because its not possible to do a loop on the M50/N7 interchange as its currently configured.

Nah, you could use Monastery Road junction.

Tech3 · 06-06-2011 9:55pm

Guys, this thread is for discussing Newlands Cross upgrade. I have deleted the off topic posts. If you want to discuss a possible default, please post in the Irish Economy/Politics forum.

Thanks

veryangryman · 06-06-2011 10:09pm

Tech3 wrote: »

Guys, this thread is for discussing Newlands Cross upgrade. I have deleted the off topic posts. If you want to discuss a possible default, please post in the Irish Economy/Politics forum.

Thanks

I think that discussing why the scheme isnt going to be built, the way that it could have already been built and the possibility of ways to get it built (ie defaulting) are quite on par for the topic.

Suggestion for happy medium Tremolo/Tech3 - maybe a topic to discuss the pros.cons for road building if or when we default?

Jayuu · 06-06-2011 11:16pm

spacetweek wrote: »

Nah, you could use Monastery Road junction.

You're right although I would say that this option would be even less suitable for the amount of diverted traffic that you'd have by closing the junction.

And thanks Tech3 for bringing us back on topic!

11-06-2011 10:03pm

Conway635 wrote: »

If you wanted to be really cheap you could always have a unidirectional mini-flyover for outbound only!

C635

Something like this?

http://www.cbrd.co.uk/photo/hogarth-flyover/

The Hogarth Flyover is more than just a bridge carrying traffic - it's a metaphor for the whole of British transport planning in the late 20th century. It was constructed in the early 1970s as a temporary solution to the traffic problems at the Hogarth Roundabout, which was due to be rebuilt in the near future as part of the Ringway plans. It was quickly put together with a cheap steel frame and was designed to last no more than a few years. But, as you've probably guessed by now, the temporary flyover is still there: it's been in situ for more than 30 years and there's no intention to do anything with it now.

ClareVisitor · 13-06-2011 10:47am

We have something similar where I live in Chelmsford in Essex. It is a single lane flyover over a roundabaout similar to the Hogarth Roundabout, but it changes direction in the morning and evening to go with the major flow of traffic in (morning) and out (evening) of town.

jack presley · 13-06-2011 9:29pm

ClareVisitor wrote: »

We have something similar where I live in Chelmsford in Essex. It is a single lane flyover over a roundabaout similar to the Hogarth Roundabout, but it changes direction in the morning and evening to go with the major flow of traffic in (morning) and out (evening) of town.

When I lived in Bristol in the late 90's there was a 'temporary' road like this that has been there since the 70's.

Guy:Incognito · 29-06-2011 1:39pm

I still cant understand why Belgard roud from Tallaght to outbound Naas Road isnt a slip? It's completely pointless having traffic building up on the Belgard road when theres room for a long slip road on the Naas road. it's not going to solve all the problems but it alleviates one.

spacetweek · 29-06-2011 2:23pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I still cant understand why Belgard roud from Tallaght to outbound Naas Road isnt a slip? It's completely pointless having traffic building up on the Belgard road when theres room for a long slip road on the Naas road. it's not going to solve all the problems but it alleviates one.

It's more important to have freeflow slips on offramps than onramps because offramps end in a set of traffic lights. Onramps merge with the mainline. I see they will have a much longer approach lane NB on Belgard though, which will provide a lot more stacking space than at present.

That said, they've loads of room here, so it's a little odd.

Deedsie · 08-09-2011 11:57am

What is going on with this junction? Has it been totally shelved?

L1011 · 08-09-2011 12:05pm

Waiting to see if BAM Balfour Beatty can get someone to lend them the cash. Which will likely be when our bond yeilds are below 6% or so at the highest. They're 8.6%-ish for ten year which is what is the generally quoted figure.

robert muldoon · 08-09-2011 1:31pm

MYOB wrote: »

Waiting to see if BAM Balfour Beatty can get someone to lend them the cash. Which will likely be when our bond yeilds are below 6% or so at the highest. They're 8.6%-ish for ten year which is what is the generally quoted figure.

I think we will be hearing from Leo Varaker before the end of the month

antoobrien · 08-09-2011 1:54pm

MYOB wrote: »

Waiting to see if BAM Balfour Beatty can get someone to lend them the cash. Which will likely be when our bond yeilds are below 6% or so at the highest. They're 8.6%-ish for ten year which is what is the generally quoted figure.

Current bond yields on bloomberg:
1 year: 8.311 %
2 year: 9.7 %
3 year: 9.123%
5 year: 8.22%
10 year: 8.692%

Sponge Bob · 09-09-2011 3:31pm

Watch that 10 year chart

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=GIGB10YR:IND#chart

Deedsie · 16-09-2011 8:42am

robert muldoon wrote: »

I think we will be hearing from Leo Varaker before the end of the month

What makes you think that? Positive or negative news?

Sponge Bob · 16-09-2011 9:59am

The 10 year chart implies a funding cost of around 12-14% to the contractor borrowings. However as the ructions in Greece this week did not spill over unduly into Irish yields the PPP funding model may creak back into life for certain projects if the yield curve remains in a stable to hull down position as now.

Waiting another month or two will do no harm.

Leo is due to announce the very short list of road projects that are not dead in a National Development sort of announcement this month and I would be confident that the N7 will be included...even if it is essentially on life support rather than dead.

Jayuu · 16-09-2011 8:36pm

Has the cost of just the NX upgrade ever been specified? I know its currently bundled with the N11 Rathnew-Arklow scheme but I'm wondering if funding can't be found for the whole scheme could the NX scheme be decoupled from it and if so would it be possible to fund just that.

It would be great to get both done but really I think most people could live without the N11 part of the upgrade wheras NX is a huge bottleneck that needs to be resolved.

N7 - Newlands Cross upgrade

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