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Henry shefflin recovered!

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  • 28-08-2010 4:59pm
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    dynamot
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    I read in the indo today that he tore his cruciate ligament 4 weeks ago. An injury which would likely put him out of action for at least 6 months. However after intensive physiotherapy he back in training. Is this possible? I was always under the impression that the only way one could recover from an injury was to rest the affected area. Obviously not! Curious does anyone know what his recovery would entail?


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    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    dynamot wrote: »
    I read in the indo today that he tore his cruciate ligament 4 weeks ago. An injury which would likely put him out of action for at least 6 months. However after intensive physiotherapy he back in training. Is this possible? I was always under the impression that the only way one could recover from an injury was to rest the affected area. Obviously not! Curious does anyone know what his recovery would entail?

    Some people can recover remarkably quick, and depends on your physio and how much money you can throw at an injury sometimes too!.

    June 3rd I tore my ATFL (anterior talofibular ligament), it was a grade III tear.

    I was initially told I'd be out of competition for 12 months, but after some very intense physio and lots & lots of rehab I start competition prep this week for fighting on Oct 9th.

    Luckily for me I'd very good financial support re. physio & medical care - makes a huge difference.


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    d'Oracle
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    In general we know nothing about his injury or the treatment he underwent, except a few news articles about it in newspapers.

    You can rest assured that most of us won't have the option to see this Hartmann fella and it would probably be also dependant on how serious his injury was. But Ronan O'Gara spent €7-8k seeing him.

    Also we have no idea if Shefflin will play the whole game or just a bit of it.

    I'm pretty sure no-one on here will know how it is possible though.


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    sportinglegend
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    Shefflin was somewhat Lucky in that he did not have a complete tear in the ACL which gave Hartmann a lot to work with and he was also sent to the cryotherapy unit in Wexford immediately which would have helped with the swelling.

    In this case he got very lucky as all other ligaments in the knee were intact in addition to only having a partial tear in the ACL. I would imagine a lot of the work Hartmann would have done would have involved getting the swelling down and building the ACL muscle up as well as building the other ligaments in the knee up to compensate for the tear in the ACL.

    It is also important to make sure the strength and stability in other areas of the leg such as ankle, quads, hips hamstrings and glutes etc are sufficently strong as these will be working harder as a compensation to the injured ACL.

    There is also now an injection that people can get called prolotherapy which has been used the treatment of ACL injuries and it is possible that Shefflin would have used this as part of his recovery process.
    Prolotherapy is used in some cases as an alternative to anti-inflammatories or surgery. It involves injecting a prolotherapy solution into the injured tissue such as a ligament or tendon. This solution is said to stimulate inflammation and healing process resulting in improved healing and strengthening of the tissue. In effect the idea behind prolotherapy is that it encourages the body to heal itself.


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    narwog81
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    the cyrotherapy would definitley have been a large factor in the speed of the recovery.

    i tore my ACL twice and was told by my surgeon that a certain of percentage of people can operate without an ACL, i cant remember the exact number but they are descibed as "copers". Dermot earley would seem to be an example of this as he has played all season with no cruciate.

    the strength and stability of the muscles and ligaments around it are also a huge factor, particularly the quad. remember shefflin tore his other ACL 3(?) years ago so has the benefit of the rehab after that injury and im sure has done extensive prehab and strengthing work on his legs since.


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    Hanley
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    Prolothearpy is meant to be amazing. I've heard great things about it. Anyone got any experience?


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    Shazanne
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    Does anyone feel that the report on his initial injuries were somewhat exaggerated? There is a school of thought that feels that Brian Cody was playing mind games in advance of the All-Ireland and that Henry's participation was never in any doubt? Considering that the reports on his injury were "fed" to the media, one would be forced to wonder.


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    Hanley
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    Shazanne wrote: »
    Does anyone feel that the report on his initial injuries were somewhat exaggerated? There is a school of thought that feels that Brian Cody was playing mind games in advance of the All-Ireland and that Henry's participation was never in any doubt? Considering that the reports on his injury were "fed" to the media, one would be forced to wonder.

    Occam's razor.

    That was my first thought on the subject.


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    Rented Mule
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    dynamot wrote: »
    I read in the indo today that he tore his cruciate ligament 4 weeks ago. An injury which would likely put him out of action for at least 6 months. However after intensive physiotherapy he back in training. Is this possible? I was always under the impression that the only way one could recover from an injury was to rest the affected area. Obviously not! Curious does anyone know what his recovery would entail?

    The injury would put him out six months if he had it surgically repaired. At this point, I would guess that the swelling has subsided and pain has been managed enough for him to play.


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    Annuv
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    Hanley wrote: »
    Occam's razor.

    That was my first thought on the subject.

    Surgeon Tadhg O'Sullivan told Henry his season was over. Following this, Cody and Shefflin spoke to the media about O'Sullivans diagnosis. There was no exaggeration


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    Shazanne
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    Annuv wrote: »
    Surgeon Tadhg O'Sullivan told Henry his season was over. Following this, Cody and Shefflin spoke to the media about O'Sullivans diagnosis. There was no exaggeration

    Tell that to an ass and he'd bite you:D


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    schristinac
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    Hi

    Does anyone know where it is possible to get prolotherapy. any help would be appreciated.


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    d'Oracle
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    You know Shefflin lasted about 60 seconds of the match in question yeah?


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    schristinac
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    d'Oracle wrote: »
    You know Shefflin lasted about 60 seconds of the match in question yeah?

    I heard Prolotherapy is really good but I cannot find a specialist in Ireland. Does anyone know of anyone


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    masterfuji
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    Sorry for the long post but having spent months looking on forums I always said I would tell people if I found anything that really helped. Well I did find something and never commented. Now I have injured myself again it reminded me to post.

    Like most people who stumble across the word 'prolotherapy' I have suffered with pain for years. I am 35 now and had a motorcycle accident at 29. Since then I have found it very hard to function with life. My neck was injured and I had a range of symptoms from neck pain, vertigo, dizziness, tinnitus and other aches and pains. I went through my own doctor, PT's, chiropractors, pain specialists, neurologists and lots more. The general idea was they could not see anything that was going to kill me so they had no real interest. I knew I could not go on and knew what feeling I had. I eventually found a you tube video for prolotherapy that described all my symptoms.

    I spent a bit of time deciding what to do but in the end I was at a particularly bad pain time so I went and took a loan for the treatment. One thing I found was that there is a number of methods for doing this but the one I had was Hackett Hemwall type. My neck obstacle was I am living in Ireland and you cant get Hackett Hemwall here. I had a choice to go to Europe or to the US. I decided to go to the US as the doc I went to in Chicago does nothing only prolotherapy so he has to be experienced. They don't use ultrasound so if anyone is to be giving me injections into my neck they needed to know what they were doing.

    I made 4 trips with 4 to 6 weeks between them. My first trip was in September 2013 and last was in January 2014. The treatment involved an examination on the first visit followed be treatment. They rub a cream on the area and drew blood as I also had PRP done on the neck joints. I then received +/- 10 syringes of injections which was around 70 - 90 injections all around my upper neck. To be fair the pain was not the issue. The sound was what got to me and I had to stop them as I nearly fainted. I found what happened was I started holding my breath with anxiety so I never had this issue after the first trip as I made sure to breathe. I also played videos of my little girl on my phone during the treatment so I could not hear the needles going in.

    The stiffness after the first treatment was unreal. I would have to roll sideways to lift my head off of the bed but after 3 days you are good to go. I never flew straight home but was able to drive, etc straight after the treatment as I did not take any medication. The next three treatments were a lot easier as I knew what to expect.

    To be honest I knew the treatment and healing continues for months after the last set of injections but as I only had four treatments and had a bad injury I did not feel fully cured. I can say that I would have said my pain was a nine out of ten before I had it but dropped to a five after. However it was not until 3 weeks ago that I realised how good it was. I reinjured my neck following another accident (just my luck) and when the pain returned I realised how well I had been doing.

    I am now trying to save so as I can have more treatment done. I cannot recommend this enough to anyone in pain. I have no tie to the doc I went to see but I would recommend them to anyone. I flew a round trip of nearly 12,000km on four occasions to have this and will be going again soon.

    Danielle Steilen did all my injections and I could not recommend her enough not just for her treatment but her manner in general. SHe works with Dr Hauser at Caring Medical on the south side of Chicago.

    If you have neck pain like I had I would recommend looking up a video on youtube called 'C1 and C2 Atlantoaxial Instability'. This clip mentioned most of my symptoms as well as others that other people may have. If you go on to their website or look up caring medical on youtube you will see videos for lots of different injuries. Today I am back on tramadol and struggling but looking forward to getting help again. I hope this helps someone.

    I think there is a few places to get injections in Ireland but I think it is only a couple of shots which from all the research and reading I did on line can be hit and miss. 70+ shots sounds like a lot but after the first injection you don't really mind especially if you are in pain. Its a bit like the pain of getting a tattoo.

    I really hope this might help someone. If anyone knows of anyone here who would refer someone on for this let me know as I think the VHI will consider it if you have a referral and to be honest it would be cheaper for them than all the stuff I have gone through but it is not widely known here so it is hard to get a referral.

    Drop me a message if you have any queries.

    Eoin. Cork. Ireland


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