M7 - Nenagh to Limerick

The Word Is Bor · 28-07-2009 5:45pm

tech2 wrote: »

There is problems still with a section of bog south of Daly's cross which would be the only reason why this would not be finished this year.

It will delay them for more than 1 month considering the shutdown for Jeebusmas.

mysterious · 28-07-2009 5:46pm

The Word Is Bor wrote: »

Ahem, please see my previous few posts.

Ahem, dont say stuff like this without some sources.

Otherwise your just spreading rumours.

Amtmann · 28-07-2009 5:56pm

This forum THRIVES on rumour, speculation, and fantasy.

spacetweek · 28-07-2009 6:15pm

You massively overstate Mysterious. Only the Grannagh (situation is unclear re: what's happening with the N24) and Rathmorrisey M6/M17/M18 junctions are suspect. All the rest are either fine or else were built in the 80s or 90s before anyone had a clue or an economic boom.

LSRR -> Limerick Ring Road? All of these are fine
Adare bypass, -> Fine
Nenagh bypass. -> Eh? Nothing wrong here,
Narrow bridges on the M7/M8 scheme, -> By my calculations won't reach capacity until 2044. Doesn't need to be wide median.
Restricted interchanges of The M4-M6-M7.M8-M9, -> Movement not needed, so not provided.
Newlands cross. -> Discussed elsewhere; won't be a problem.
Dunkettle, -> Built in 90s (being fixed)
CSRR interchanges, -> Built in 90s (being fixed)
M50 interchanges -> Built in 80s (fixed now)

mysterious · 28-07-2009 6:33pm

spacetweek wrote: »

LSRR -> Limerick Ring Road? All of these are fine{badly designed interchanges and some are restricted)
Adare bypass, -> Fine(to bendy, long, and bad junctions again)

Nenagh bypass. -> Eh? Nothing wrong here, (there is alot wrong when you spend another 20million upgrading a road that has only been opened 10 years.

Narrow bridges on the M7/M8 scheme, -> By my calculations won't reach capacity until 2044. Doesn't need to be wide median. (they could of least given extra room under the bridges...

Restricted interchanges of The M4-M6-M7.M8-M9, -> Movement not needed, so not provided. (according to you?)

Newlands cross. -> Discussed elsewhere; won't be a problem.( is a problem)

Dunkettle, -> Built in 90s (being fixed) (not yet)

CSRR interchanges, -> Built in 90s (being fixed) (not yet)

M50 interchanges -> Built in 80s (fixed now) But another waste

Just bolded it

Tech3 · 28-07-2009 6:37pm

I thought this was the M7 Motorway thread?

L1011 · 28-07-2009 6:39pm

tech2 wrote: »

I thought this was the M7 Motorway thread?

No, its become the "mysterious derails another thread with uninformed, anti-NRA rant" thread, clearly.

mysterious · 28-07-2009 7:22pm

Double post.

mysterious · 28-07-2009 7:22pm

MYOB wrote: »

No, its become the "mysterious derails another thread with uninformed, anti-NRA rant" thread, clearly.

No I mentioned the examples of the problem that exists with lack of foresight on our roads the Nenagh bypass was an example.

If we had built the Nenagh bypass right in the first place we would'nt have the problem of tight bridges, no HS etc.

So no one would get in a knickers twist about these problems in the first place. I didn't force Spacetweek or you to make an issue out of the examples I made in relation to this.:)

L1011 · 28-07-2009 7:39pm

mysterious wrote: »

I didn't force Spacetweek or you to make an issue out of the examples I made in relation to this.:)

The other option is leaving them uncorrected, which isn't really an option.

eddiej · 28-07-2009 8:53pm

Was down the N7 on Fri headin to Sneem and just where you took these photos the lat bridge on the bypass seemed like thaty had not even started widening it could you make out if this was so and if so looks like it will be some time yet before this is finished.

Great pics

The Word Is Bor · 28-07-2009 10:51pm

mysterious wrote: »

Ahem, dont say stuff like this without some sources.

Otherwise your just spreading rumours.

Hold up here chief. I gave the info about the December opening and that was good enough for you.

Spreading rumours? Hysterious posts nowt but facts.

Sponge Bob · 29-07-2009 1:52am

Furet wrote: »

This forum THRIVES on rumour, speculation, and fantasy.

Yeah , like the utterly scurrilous rumours that the M20 will be built by 2015 . Mind you I think the Nenagh section may open in 2010 now where I didn't for a looooong time

Love the rumour .:cool:

Zoney · 29-07-2009 10:20am

spacetweek wrote: »

You massively overstate Mysterious. Only the Grannagh (situation is unclear re: what's happening with the N24) and Rathmorrisey M6/M17/M18 junctions are suspect. All the rest are either fine or else were built in the 80s or 90s before anyone had a clue or an economic boom.

LSRR -> Limerick Ring Road? All of these are fine

You surely have not even been to Limerick at rush hour then. The N24 interchange has been a disaster from the beginning, and has now been modified twice (the latest modification simply to make sure the lengthy queues are on the N24 rather than N7 slips). It was very obviously designed with AADT in mind without considering nearly all of that was at either end of the day. Finally - and again this isn't NRA's fault, but there is also now a lot of traffic through the day due to the retail parks. Nevertheless even before they opened peak times were a disaster.

The N20 junction should have city-bound access. Now that isn't the NRA's fault, nevertheless but for local goings-on there would be very valuable access there despite the poor local road network (given as a reason for the disconnect - but it was actually due to local actions). At the least, with the NRA agreeing to no city-access there they really needed to arrange alternative city-bound access - a significant amount of N20 traffic needs to get into the city.

The N69 junction will bear a lot of the city-bound traffic as a result. What's to be used? A dumbell roundabout where one of the roundabouts is a modified existing traffic blackspot with the link road to Raheen on it and the cement factory entrance. How on earth could anyone remotely consider this to be acceptable? It's cheap cheap cheap - probably not directly the NRA's fault too if it really was due to money.

The new Newport junction will be OK for continuing on N7/M7, but it's ridiculous for the main Dublin-bound access from Limerick city itself. Hmmm... lets see, what shall we build. Yeah - a giant roundabout - those have worked great before.

My excuse for continuing this discussion in this thread is that three of those junctions will shortly be on M7 motorway. I consider spacetweek's assertions about the LSRR junctions absolutely preposterous - I agree with mysterious that the junctions are inadequate even if I disagree with mysterious about many things such as preposterous suggestions concerning a junction at the R526 on the SRR and the vociferous denunciation of the NRA.

ilovegermany · 29-07-2009 11:06am

As a non - engineer who deals with Local Authorities, NRA etc on a wide variety of projects (not all transport related) I think that the reason we build such poor road interchanges is primarily down to:

1. The absolute lack of strategic, long term thinking in these organisations;
2. The political pressure exerted on them in the past decade (expecially since around 2003) to build as many schemes as possible for a fixed annual allocation of cash;
3. Total absence of understanding about what an InterUrban Motorway Network is supposed to achieve; and
4. Linked to 1 above is a General lack of vision.

Trust me - the long term impacts (50 years) of not properly specing the motorways recently built or under construction will be ENORMOUS.....even allowing for a huge contraction in economic activity over the next couple of years. The age profile and fertility rates of the Irish population (even excluding immigrants) will ensure a population of 5 million plus over this timeframe...

O how we could now use the billions spent over the last few years rectifying the mistakes of the past....

mysterious · 29-07-2009 4:34pm

Finally people get it.

Carawaystick · 29-07-2009 5:08pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Yeah , like the utterly scurrilous rumours that the M20 will be built by 2015 . Mind you I think the Nenagh section may open in 2010 now where I didn't for a looooong time

Love the rumour .:cool:

I heard the roads will be finished by 2006 - Bertie told me. He also told me had no bank account and he won the money on a horse.

Berty · 29-07-2009 5:51pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

I heard the roads will be finished by 2006 - Bertie told me. He also told me had no bank account and he won the money on a horse.

I said nothing of the kind.

Bertie on National Stadium

mysterious · 29-07-2009 6:02pm

Number 7 is always a mysterious number;)

Tech3 · 03-08-2009 11:23pm

I will continue to say this scheme will be finished for this year. The wearing course is now being laid down or is in the process of doing so. They were working on this tonight at half 8! These were taken from the R504 overbridge:

Looking west of the R504 overbridge

Looking east of the R504 overbridge

Amtmann · 04-08-2009 12:06am

The site is tidy and the barriers are up, plus the cantilevers. What about sign poles? I continue to say November or December this year; maybe even October.

Tech3 · 04-08-2009 12:17am

Furet wrote: »

The site is tidy and the barriers are up, plus the cantilevers. What about sign poles? I continue to say November or December this year; maybe even October.

There is a few cantilevers up but I haven't seen any sign poles. October would be a stretch but certainly possible. The tie with the SRR wont be too hard most of it is in place already only asphalt to be laid over the current surface.

It looks like the final wearing course from the pic but I'm not too sure hard to judge on a wet surface. What do you think Furet?

Tech3 · 04-08-2009 12:23am

Btw the reason I passed along there this evening was to try the birdhill link road. Unfortunately it was closed off.

Amtmann · 04-08-2009 12:24am

tech2 wrote: »

It looks like the final wearing course from the pic but I'm not too sure hard to judge on a wet surface. What do you think Furet?

I don't think it's the wearing course as you can still see a lot of spilt concrete from the median along it. Also, the wearing course doesn't usually allow that much rainwater to sit on it like that. But it definitely looks to be ready for the wearing course!

roosterman71 · 04-08-2009 9:31am

An update on the Borris In Ossory link road. The road is completed, but Iarnroid Eireann have stopped the opening because they want access to the new bridge over the railway line.

Why they only copped this when the road was built remains a mystery. Some say they charged the NRA €40000 so they could close the railway for half a day during construction too.

Chris_533976 · 04-08-2009 11:10am

tech2 wrote: »

I
Looking west of the R504 overbridge

You're on the overbridge there arent you? I see the concrete median is bulging around the support pillars, does that mean we're going to have the bulgey carriageways a la Cashel - Mitchelstown??

marmurr1916 · 04-08-2009 11:59am

Looks good for a 2009 opening. Fingers crossed!

Tech3 · 04-08-2009 12:26pm

Chris_533976 wrote: »

You're on the overbridge there arent you? I see the concrete median is bulging around the support pillars, does that mean we're going to have the bulgey carriageways a la Cashel - Mitchelstown??

I certainly hope not. I didnt get a good chance to look underneath the overbridge itself though as construction was going on at the time. I hope they power on with the rest of this now.

mysterious · 05-08-2009 6:19am

it will be finished in early December the guy on the previous pge was acting the goon and making a rumour.

It was his rumour, because he has no source or explanation.

The Word Is Bor · 05-08-2009 11:19am

Ah well, hysterious. Some rumours you want to believe and others that you don't want to believe. I don't recall the NRA giving a definitive date for this road opening. On their site it simply states Q4 2009. We all know how often those have had to change in the past and their current accuracy.

My source was the same person who confirmed a mid-late December opening a good few months back. The explanation is down to ground conditions in the bogs. Both of which I gave a few pages back.

Now why don't you do your usual trick of posting something by banging your forehead on the keyboard repeatedly while using bold text with your unique brand of grammar to put forward your cogent arguments.

Tech3 · 05-08-2009 12:01pm

mysterious wrote: »

it will be finished in early December

Yeah cant wait to see this section opening soon. We will have continuous motorway from Rossbrien- Nenagh later this year.

mysterious · 05-08-2009 8:08pm

The Word Is Bor wrote: »

Ah well, hysterious. Some rumours you want to believe and others that you don't want to believe. I don't recall the NRA giving a definitive date for this road opening. On their site it simply states Q4 2009. We all know how often those have had to change in the past and their current accuracy.

My source was the same person who confirmed a mid-late December opening a good few months back. The explanation is down to ground conditions in the bogs. Both of which I gave a few pages back.

Now why don't you do your usual trick of posting something by banging your forehead on the keyboard repeatedly while using bold text with your unique brand of grammar to put forward your cogent arguments.

The name is mysterious, careful now.

Who is the mans name?
Who was the man that said the ofiicial date and then backtracked it

Lookig forward to you response.

You said bogs, but thats it. There is a bog of Allen too, in the middle of Kidare there was no stopping the N6 motorway from ploughing through. If the road builders can plough through granite can't see what this fuss is that your trying to spread.

The problem with this route, was the previous contractor went into red, that is what delayed the project.

If this is all through give me the name and email of the guy and I'll talk to him:)

murphaph · 05-08-2009 8:26pm

mysterious wrote: »

The name is mysterious, careful now.

Who is the mans name?
Who was the man that said the ofiicial date and then backtracked it

Lookig forward to you response.

You said bogs, but thats it. There is a bog of Allen too, in the middle of Kidare there was no stopping the N6 motorway from ploughing through. If the road builders can plough through granite can't see what this fuss is that your trying to spread.

The problem with this route, was the previous contractor went into red, that is what delayed the project.

If this is all through give me the name and email of the guy and I'll talk to him:)

The N6 has never passed through any part of Kildare!

The M7 motorway DID duffer LONG delays in Kildare of course (Kildare bypass project) as anyone who KNOWS anyhting about roads knows ;-)

mysterious · 05-08-2009 10:51pm

murphaph wrote: »

The N6 has never passed through any part of Kildare!

The M7 motorway DID duffer LONG delays in Kildare of course (Kildare bypass project) as anyone who KNOWS anyhting about roads knows ;-)

The bogs also go into Offaly as well in case you didn't know. And the N6 at Horseleap goes through the bog.

It's a bog.

In other words no big deal. In other countries they wouldn't look at it(like we do) They would just build the road.

Carawaystick · 05-08-2009 11:48pm

mysterious wrote: »

The bogs also go into Offaly as well in case you didn't know. And the N6 at Horseleap goes through the bog.

It's a bog.

In other words no big deal. In other countries they wouldn't look at it(like we do) They would just build the road.

The N6 doesn't go through Horseleap anymore. There is no bog immediately on any side of the old N6 route through Horseleap, which is very close to the Eiscer Riada.

The M6 goes through bog between near Kinnegad and Kilbeggan. All of this is east of Horseleap and in Westmeath.

Carawaystick · 05-08-2009 11:57pm

De Paper are saying this:

de Paper wrote:

THE massive tunnel highway being built under the Shannon near Limerick city is ahead of schedule and likely to be open for traffic by September 2010.

It will cut travelling times for thousands of commuters every day, connecting all the main routes along the western corridor between the west, the south and the south west. It will bypass Limerick city.

The tunnel is a key element of Limerick’s new Southern Ring Road, a 9.7km four-lane highway. The tunnel will run for 900m, of which 675m will be under the Shannon.

The tunnel connects the southern side of the Shannon near the cement factory in Mungret to the northern riverside near the Radisson Hotel on the Ennis Road.

Then transport minister Martin Cullen turned the first sod on the tunnel site on October 26, 2006.

Mayor of Limerick Cllr Kevin Kiely, following a visit to the tunnel site, said: "Such is the rate of progress being made, there is a good chance the tunnel will be open ahead of schedule as early as September 2010."

The construction of the tunnel is one of the biggest engineering projects of its kind ever undertaken in Ireland.

The road network on either side of the tunnel will include the provision of 11 new access bridges, six underpasses and four interchanges.

The tunnel itself consists of five precast concrete tubes which were made by Austrian specialists, Strabag. They were floated out on to the river and lowered onto foundations which were set on the river bed.

To lay the tunnel foundations, 800,000 tonnes of silt had to be dredged from the river and six million tons of rock placed along the line of the tunnel to stabilise the soft river bed.

This work was completed last July and the road builders, Direct Route, have confirmed mechanical and electrical contractors have been engaged now to start fitting out the tunnel. The work is scheduled to commence later this week.

When open, the tunnel road will be tolled at rates equivalent to other toll routes with a car rate of around €1.90 and lorries at approximately €4.50.

As well as cutting travel times between the south and south-west to the west and north-west, it is also expected to boost business in the mid-west and help attract more travel business to Shannon.

A spokesman for the National Roads Authority said: "This project is a catalyst for Limerick city and country, Shannon airport and Co Clare to continue their collective regional growth."

Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/underwater-tunnel-highway-set-to-open-for-traffic-next-year-98040.html#ixzz0NLtSyTSO

1.90 seems reasonable to avoid stab city the traffic on Dock Road

mysterious · 06-08-2009 1:17am

Stab city was created by blow in Dubliner's who never let Dublin who watch 6.1 news and reads the lines of bull****.They believe what is said only by the news.

In my experience anyone who rants about it, never actually visted Limerck. I live in Dublin 4 years. So its been well spotted.

Wild Bill · 08-08-2009 2:09am

Lordy but that mysterious character is a bit of a...

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Anyway, as I said months ago, I can't see the Stab City - Nenagh section of the M7 opening in 2009. Q1 2010 seems about right.

Tech3 · 08-08-2009 12:02pm

Wild Bill wrote: »

Anyway, as I said months ago, I can't see the Stab City - Nenagh section of the M7 opening in 2009. Q1 2010 seems about right.

Your not related to The Word Is Bor in anyway are you?

Wild Bill · 08-08-2009 8:01pm

Never heard of the WIB. Is he a Limerick gangster?

spacetweek · 08-08-2009 11:09pm

Wild Bill wrote: »

I can't see the Limerick - Nenagh section of the M7 opening in 2009. Q1 2010 seems about right.

Why not? Isn't it nearly finished? God almighty it's taken them long enough.

mysterious · 09-08-2009 1:48am

Wild Bill wrote: »

Never heard of the WIB. Is he a Limerick gangster?

Not funny. . .

Tech3 · 10-08-2009 8:07pm

spacetweek wrote: »

Why not? Isn't it nearly finished? God almighty it's taken them long enough.

This scheme must win the prize for the most drawn out road construction project ever! :mad:

Chris_533976 · 10-08-2009 8:44pm

Nope

http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/MeathCountyCouncil/N51NavanInnerReliefRoad/SchemeName,16474,en.html

Navan Inner Relief Road.

Over three years for 0.6km

BluntGuy · 10-08-2009 8:57pm

Chris_533976 wrote: »

Nope

http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/MeathCountyCouncil/N51NavanInnerReliefRoad/SchemeName,16474,en.html

Navan Inner Relief Road.

Over three years for 0.6km

Wow, why did it take that long?

JupiterKid · 10-08-2009 9:07pm

Probably built by direct County Council labour as many if not most road schemes were back then.

EDIT - I see it was about the N51 Athboy road link. That was inexcusable and someone should have been sacked over that.

The Navan "Relief" road took about 4 or 5 years to build a couple of kilometres of at grade S2. Sure, years before the ground was broken for the Navan RR there were signs proclaiming the coming of the "Navan Ring Road" in the very early 80s - I remember seeing these as a small kid.:rolleyes:

bacon&cabbage · 13-08-2009 8:59pm

tech2 wrote: »

This scheme must win the prize for the most drawn out road construction project ever! :mad:

- The M50 springs to mind

mysterious · 13-08-2009 9:04pm

I have my cam phone fixed so I promise I will upload pictures next week.

They have started the first layer of tarmac at Clash near Moneygall. The bridges are all complete some are open. There is a few remaining that have to be fully laid before it can be opened. The Moneygall interchange has a lot of work going on. Earthworks for the slips are fairly ongoing. The bridge is complete now.

Tech3 · 13-08-2009 9:09pm

Some updates:

Nenagh-Limerick

and heres the state of Nenagh-Castletown

The Word Is Bor · 13-08-2009 9:46pm

mysterious wrote: »

They have started the first layer of tarmac at Clash near Moneygall.

Only very small rip of CBM.

mysterious wrote:

The bridges are all complete some are open. There is a few remaining that have to be fully laid before it can be opened.

The bridges are not all complete. Some haven't even started. There is one overbridge and one underbridge open between Nenagh and Moneygall. There are about three structures open between Moneygall and Borris-in-Ossary. Anything that is open is under roadworks control.

mysterious wrote:

The bridge is complete now.

The beam are in place at Moneygall but it is far from complete. If it were complete then there would be 40/50T dumpers running across it many times a day and there would be no need for the temporary traffic management on the N7.

Sorry to disappoint you chief.

M7 - Nenagh to Limerick

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