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Did humans really evolve from fish?

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  • #52
    Mardy Bum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    Okay, why would I be lying about this, Sherlock? You do realise that not everybody had the same experiences as you, right? And again, for the hard of reading, I am not saying that I was taught intelligent design in school. I am saying that certain teachers, in primary school, had a fairly cack-handed approach to evolution, due in part to how it conflicted with what they were teaching us in religion.

    I do know that I have met a decent number of people who fundamentally misunderstand evolution and really aren't sure of how it works in the slightest. And I'm not talking about anything in depth, just the basics.

    Again, it wasn't an entirely well thought-out or serious post, I'm mostly just replying because your posting style is atrocious and ur mad bro.

    Both Doc Ruby and yourself are correct in your assertions. The reasons a lot of Catholics have difficulty with evolution is because it wasn't accepted by Pope JP II till 1995 therefore many Catholics would have grown up accepting creationist bs. However in 1995 JP said the evidence was overwhelming so it became accepted. Many Irish Catholics whose knowledge of science and the day to day changes in church dogma would not be the strongest still perpetuated some of the older beliefs. Some Catholics accepted it but never bothered actually learning what it entailed. Therefore children never really had a chance of learning about it properly because those teaching them didn't really understand it.

    Pope Benedict has made some statements recently which hinted that he didn't entirely accept evolution which will then continue to confuse some Catholics.


  • #53
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Well I provided a wiki link, that's what you wanted right?

    Are you not aware of his stances on intelligent design?

    Here, have a look.
    For pity's sake. The link you provided had zero evidence to support your point, none, not to mention being about a bishop on a different continent entirely, one known for being the mainstay of creationism. And you then link to LMGTFY as if, agh I give up.

    Best of luck with that.

    The church may be destined for hell, but it's not for creationism or being anti science.


  • #54
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    What I'm saying is you'd have to be off your head to imagine this resembles reality in any way, shape or form. I'm also saying that you've never actually been to an Irish school. By the way I'm the queen of england, I just troll these forums to get a rise out of people, it lights my eighty six year old fires. Amazing what you can claim with anecdotal nonsense in semi anonymous discussions.

    If it helps, I can back up this poster's claim that there are a lot of irish people who have no idea of how evolution works.

    In fact, if you really wanted you could find a lot of posts on this very forum to confirm this.

    But, for some reason, I don't think you're open to acknowledging this.

    If you expect me to believe that you don't know people who don't understand evolution then you must be nuts.

    I know people who think the Moon Landings were fake, who think 9/11 was a conspiracy, who thought the world was gonna end in Dec 2012, who think there is a man in the sky who watches them day and night........................ I don't have proof for any of this though. You'll just have to tell me i'm a liar as a default.


  • #55
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Everyone knows we came from Chimpanzees.


  • #56
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    Both Doc Ruby and yourself are correct in your assertions. The reasons a lot of Catholics have difficulty with evolution is because it wasn't accepted by Pope JP II till 1995 therefore many Catholics would have grown up accepting creationist bs. However in 1995 JP said the evidence was overwhelming so it became accepted
    Utter bollocks. I went to school well pre-1995 and nobody was talking about creationism. Creationism is largely an American protestant post-2000 thing, as far as education is concerned. And I have yet to see a single factual source claiming that any number of Irish people are in favour of creationism.


  • #57
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Internet sarcasm, well that's my week wrecked.


    This is what you're saying

    What I'm saying is you'd have to be off your head to imagine this resembles reality in any way, shape or form. I'm also saying that you've never actually been to an Irish school. By the way I'm the queen of england, I just troll these forums to get a rise out of people, it lights my eighty six year old fires. Amazing what you can claim with anecdotal nonsense in semi anonymous discussions.


    The backpedalling certainly is entertaining.

    You've got me. I never went to school in Ireland, I actually went to school in Glen Oak California. My dad was a minister in the 7th day Adventist church and I had 6 brothers and sisters, one of whom I was slightly attracted to as it was actually Jessica Biel. We went through many things in the family, including teenage pregnancy, drug-abuse, bullying, racism, spousal abuse and intelligent design but in the end, it was okay because we were a family and we realised evolution was actually real.


  • #58
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Utter bollocks. I went to school well pre-1995 and nobody was talking about creationism. Creationism is largely an American protestant post-2000 thing, as far as education is concerned. And I have yet to see a single factual source claiming that any number of Irish people are in favour of creationism.

    I'm sorry, but we'll need some evidence of this.


  • #59
    Mardy Bum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Utter bollocks. I went to school well pre-1995 and nobody was talking about creationism. Creationism is largely an American protestant post-2000 thing, as far as education is concerned. And I have yet to see a single factual source claiming that any number of Irish people are in favour of creationism.

    The Catholic position on evolution changed to one of acceptance in 1995. Have a look if you like.

    Bleckmann, Charles A. "Evolution and Creationism in Science: 1880–2000." BioScience 52.2 (2006): 151-58.


  • #60
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    You've got me. I never went to school in Ireland, I actually went to school in Glen Oak California. My dad was a minister in the 7th day Adventist church and I had 6 brothers and sisters, one of whom I was slightly attracted to as it was actually Jessica Biel. We went through many things in the family, including teenage pregnancy, drug-abuse, bullying, racism, spousal abuse and intelligent design but in the end, it was okay because we were a family and we realised evolution was actually real.
    Well your heritage amounts to more than a double wide, I want you to know this.
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I'm sorry, but we'll need some evidence of this.
    Facepalm.


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  • #61
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    We all came from the big bang in the long term.
    Well, most of us if you know what I mean ;)
    No, we were never fish, lol. We were similar however.


  • #62
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Facepalm.

    You haven't backed yourself up at all here. Am I just supposed to believe you> That you actually learned different things to me in school?

    You're crazy!


  • #63
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Utter bollocks. I went to school well pre-1995 and nobody was talking about creationism. Creationism is largely an American protestant post-2000 thing, as far as education is concerned. And I have yet to see a single factual source claiming that any number of Irish people are in favour of creationism.

    Has anyone here actually said that ANY Irish people accept Creationism? Pretty much everyone has said that everyone believes in evolution. Some people, including me, are suggesting that the way that we were taught in primary school was confusing as some teachers tried to marry the concepts of evolution and "God is in everything" religion. You've jumped the fence on this so many times, it's hilarious to watch.


  • #64
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    We all came from the big bang in the long term.
    Well, most of us if you know what I mean ;)
    No, we were never fish, lol. We were similar however.



  • #65
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I don't think there is anything scarier than crap people.
    I hid under the duvet clutching my testicles the first time I encountered them.


  • #66
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    Has anyone here actually said that ANY Irish people accept Creationism? Pretty much everyone has said that everyone believes in evolution. Some people, including me, are suggesting that the way that we were taught in primary school was confusing as some teachers tried to marry the concepts of evolution and "God is in everything" religion. You've jumped the fence on this so many times, it's hilarious to watch.
    Not as hilarious as watching someone backpedal so fast that they risk turning their cheeks into flaps.


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  • #67
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    You've jumped the fence on this so many times, it's hilarious to watch.
    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Not as hilarious as watching someone backpedal so fast that they risk turning their cheeks into flaps.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8urQgD_TDk


  • #68
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Not as hilarious as watching someone backpedal so fast that they risk turning their cheeks into flaps.

    Ugh, awkward. Stop trying so hard.


  • #69
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    Ugh, awkward. Stop trying so hard.
    Trying hard is you paddling your keyboard. For me this is not the greatest challenge ever shall we charitably say.


  • #70
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    Did your sister spurn your advances tonight, or something? You seem tense.


  • #71
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    Did your sister spurn your advances tonight, or something? You seem tense.
    Hearkening back to the double wide I see.


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  • #72
    Ruudi_Mentari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Ruudi_Mentari


    I don't believe we evolved from fish.

    There's a really dumb song about dolphins being monkeys that didn't like the land, but I dont believe fish evolved from us either


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