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  • Registered Users Posts: 31 a x e 15


    .. i was thinking dublin ink ?

    Please god .. dont go to dublin ink .. they are the biggest rip offs in dublin .. my mate got a tattoo in there and its botched lol .. i get all mine done in V tattoo .. there pretty class cheep aswell

    http://www.facebook.com/djgregoleksevic#!/V.tattooed

    thats there facebook page check them out


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,729 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    a x e 15 wrote: »
    Please god .. dont go to dublin ink .. they are the biggest rip offs in dublin .. my mate got a tattoo in there and its botched lol .. i get all mine done in V tattoo .. there pretty class cheep aswell

    http://www.facebook.com/djgregoleksevic#!/V.tattooed

    thats there facebook page check them out



    Are you connected with them in some way Axe15 because thats against the rules.

    As for whether theyre the best--Im still waiting on one of them to ring me with a price after having a chat with them a few weeks back and showing him what I want done---thats not the sign of a good shop to be honest.

    And I cant be arsed ringing them to see if they came up with a price since it was around the 5th January that I was in with them.They either want the business or they dont.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,408 ✭✭✭naasrd


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Are you connected with them in some way Axe15 because thats against the rules.

    As for whether theyre the best--Im still waiting on one of them to ring me with a price after having a chat with them a few weeks back and showing him what I want done---thats not the sign of a good shop to be honest.

    And I cant be arsed ringing them to see if they came up with a price since it was around the 5th January that I was in with them.They either want the business or they dont.

    I booked a tattoo with them in December and my appointment was this week. I'd had a consultation, left a copy of the image I wanted and paid a deposit. When I went in they hadn't a clue what I wanted, had lost the image and suggested bog standard google images. Needles to say I took to my heels and fled.


  • Registered Users Posts: 31 a x e 15


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Are you connected with them in some way Axe15 because thats against the rules.

    As for whether theyre the best--Im still waiting on one of them to ring me with a price after having a chat with them a few weeks back and showing him what I want done---thats not the sign of a good shop to be honest.

    And I cant be arsed ringing them to see if they came up with a price since it was around the 5th January that I was in with them.They either want the business or they dont.
    naasrd wrote: »
    I booked a tattoo with them in December and my appointment was this week. I'd had a consultation, left a copy of the image I wanted and paid a deposit. When I went in they hadn't a clue what I wanted, had lost the image and suggested bog standard google images. Needles to say I took to my heels and fled.

    Well Considering your both connected to dublin ink .. i really couldnt give a crap .. its an old mate of mines shop .. and im not being biast saying go to them ive friends in connected ink and wild cat and have been inked in all 3 and many many more across europe.. the only reason id suggest going to v is their price as there just outside city center and dont need to charge 110 an hour .. anyway i can personally vouch that you diddnt place a deposit and not get tattooed as the lads dont work on deposits .. and your work wouldnt have been lost either as there very good at leaving everything on or under their light box .. and ive seen this .. its not moved from their till they do a tattoo .. and they dont do google images (to give you ideas they get you to look at some yeah or mabe some stuff in books) but everything they do is costom and drawn out on the spot most of the time .. now if you want to get into an arguement pm me and see what happens


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,729 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    a x e 15 wrote: »
    Well Considering your both connected to dublin ink .. i really couldnt give a crap ..

    I am absolutely in now way connected with Dublin Ink so I expext an apology for that.

    its an old mate of mines shop .. and im not being biast saying go to them
    Yes you are being biased.Its a friends shop so recommending them is being biased and for what its worth is against the forums rules.
    ive friends in connected ink and wild cat and have been inked in all 3 and many many more across europe.. the only reason id suggest going to v is their price as there just outside city center and dont need to charge 110 an hour
    No they charge 55 an hour which is great IF they actually contacted their customers who spent time with them describing what they want tattooed on them.
    .. anyway i can personally vouch that you diddnt place a deposit and not get tattooed as the lads dont work on deposits .. and your work wouldnt have been lost either as there very good at leaving everything on or under their light box .. and ive seen this .. its not moved from their till they do a tattoo .. and they dont do google images (to give you ideas they get you to look at some yeah or mabe some stuff in books) but everything they do is costom and drawn out on the spot most of the time


    Well I can tell you now that I dropped in,went thriough what I wanted and still havent heard from them and thats the honest to god truth.

    .. now if you want to get into an arguement pm me and see what happens


    And whats that supposed to mean??


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Elbow


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    And whats that supposed to mean??

    I'm willing to bet a lotta dollars that caps lock will be involved! ;)






    (I'll go back to minding my own business now :D)


  • Registered Users Posts: 31 a x e 15


    Elbow wrote: »
    I'm willing to bet a lotta dollars that caps lock will be involved! ;)






    (I'll go back to minding my own business now :D)

    no Elbow im not a caps lock kinda person .. and im not a person who says they'll do something on a fourm / website and not follow through with it.

    as for 55 an hour ? where are you getting your prices from Hellraizer its 50 an hour and im sure there is a reasonibal explenation if they havnt gotten back to you mabe drop by the lads in the shop and ask .. and i appoligise if your not in anyway connected to dublin ink HR .. ive had alot of run in's with them and at this rate im at my last wits .. and i know plenty of ppl that feel the same way as i do ..

    if you want to know my exact problem with them HR pm me and i shall explain .. im not going to post their bad habbits here i'll even give you my number in a pm so you can speek to me fully about it or even orgnise to meet face to face


  • Registered Users Posts: 741 ✭✭✭Stripey Cat


    A black butterfly? Really?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Are you connected with them in some way Axe15 because thats against the rules.

    As for whether theyre the best--Im still waiting on one of them to ring me with a price after having a chat with them a few weeks back and showing him what I want done---thats not the sign of a good shop to be honest.

    And I cant be arsed ringing them to see if they came up with a price since it was around the 5th January that I was in with them.They either want the business or they dont.

    They did the same with my brother in law. He called them about getting a piece done and a consult and still hasn't heard a word back from them. It's been two months.

    Shower of eejits in there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,132 ✭✭✭Just Like Heaven


    50 an hour is ****in class. Why are Dublin ink so expensive? I haven't seen any savage work to justify that price.


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,729 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    50 an hour is ****in class. Why are Dublin ink so expensive? I haven't seen any savage work to justify that price.

    Its only a great price if you can actually get tattooed by them :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭bfocusd


    Op, I've had work done by Attila in wildcat on jervis st, he's very good at what he does and doesn't hurt a bit, which I think also shows skills. he's easy going too and I like his input and style, maybe drop in and speak to him or any artist, you should shop around yourself and ask to see some work, everyone likes different artists, it's down to you at the end of the day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭1hnr79jr65


    bfocusd wrote: »
    Op, I've had work done by Attila in wildcat on jervis st, he's very good at what he does and doesn't hurt a bit, which I think also shows skills. he's easy going too and I like his input and style, maybe drop in and speak to him or any artist, you should shop around yourself and ask to see some work, everyone likes different artists, it's down to you at the end of the day.

    What sorta prices is this fella charge roughly ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭bfocusd


    When I go to him, he gives me a price per piece, I don't think I've ever got an hourly rate, first tattoo I got was 280 and it was 3.5 hour sitting, no breaks or anything.
    Then the next piece, will be 350, and I'm booked in for 4.5 hours, it could take two sittings, but thats the complete price, regardless of hours, obviously it can't go on forever, but maybe another hour or two will be needed for whatever.

    The piece I'm getting will be fairly big too from approx my hips to shoulder, it's not a solid detail, but will be intricate. He's going to free hand it onto me, and ive a little cover-up work in there too, the existing tattoo wasn't by him, but it's not going to fit the new piece around it, so it's going.

    Even just pop in and speak to him about what you want, if you like his art and skills and price obviously, as I said before, I don't like every artists work, you need find someone you trust and like there work, no way would I let any other artist free hand on to me though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,132 ✭✭✭Just Like Heaven


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Its only a great price if you can actually get tattooed by them :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Ahh yeah but not getting tattooed doesn't take long :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 745 ✭✭✭baron von something


    €50 an hour.prices hav fairly went down since i got my last one done


  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭NoobSaibot5


    Classic Inks is brilliant up in Dublin, it's where I got mine done and the lads in there are sound


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭swededmonkey


    any experiences of skin city on south william st?

    price and quality in particular


  • Registered Users Posts: 32 BalbrigganGirl


    I can recommend Atilla in Wildcat too - he did my last one ( I have 12 ) and it's way the best one I've had done. It's a pin up girl and the detail and shading and his own take on it are fabulous.
    It didn't hurt a bit. I wouldn't be so worried about price if I am looking for a good artist who knows what he is doing - you have to live with it !
    In saying that it wasn't expensive at all considering the detail and the time it took.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 zx10rick


    only ever heard good things


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  • Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭itac


    I got an old tattoo re-coloured, and some wording done around it at Spilled Ink, about halfway up Great Denmark St a few months back.

    They were brilliant with me from start to finish-popped into on spec one evening, they took a look at my original tattoo, suggested what would work well with it, and got me an apt. for a evening shortly after. I ended up being slightly late because of work, rang ahead & they were sound about it. Just under an hours work, think it was about 70e in total.

    The guy who did the work was dead on, really attentive & really helpful; especially when I was hit with last-minute indecision about location (i.e. should I get the wording encircling the tattoo, underling it, surrounding it etc!) They had so many tips for after care (had the first piece done 4 yrs ago!) & left me feeling that if I had any question, no matter how silly, it would be ok to ring them with it. Even though I've said that's the last piece of work I'll get done, if I ever go for anything else, I'll be straight back to them-can't reccomend them highly enough!

    (Facebook page = https://www.facebook.com/Spilled.Ink.Tattoo.Studio)


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 clairebearxxx


    Have to recommend wildcat ink i think there great. i got my tattoo and all my piercings with them never had one problem and always feel comfortable going to them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 reidid


    I can't recommend <snip>. I went in with a simplistic tattoo and the tattooist managed to do a botched work. Lines that should be straight are not, circle not round, bad filling, the original form was not respected. Either he was taking something, he was in a rush, or was a trainee, I wouldn't know.
    Maybe I got the wrong tattooist, but under these conditions I can't recommend these guys.

    D1 ink tattoo did a great work with lots of details involved. I will go back there for my future words, as well as for fixing the <snip> work. I feel like they are not as busy as <snip>, and yet they really deserve to get more customers. You can tell Yang is passionate and diligent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    reidid wrote: »
    I can't recommend <snip>. I went in with a simplistic tattoo and the tattooist managed to do a botched work. Lines that should be straight are not, circle not round, bad filling, the original form was not respected. Either he was taking something, he was in a rush, or was a trainee, I wouldn't know.
    Maybe I got the wrong tattooist, but under these conditions I can't recommend these guys.

    D1 ink tattoo did a great work with lots of details involved. I will go back there for my future words, as well as for fixing the <snip> work. I feel like they are not as busy as <snip>, and yet they really deserve to get more customers. You can tell Yang is passionate and diligent.

    It's an the tattooist, not the studio that does the tattoo.
    Do you have any pics to back that up?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 reidid


    I know man, I totally agree, not to mention that I went there because several people recommended that studio to me. But what should I do if I get the same artist, say "nah that one has poor skills, give me another one" ? Way too awkward.

    No pictures - custom designed tattooed on my arm. Don't really want anyone to ID me. The fact that I'm frustrated and unhappy should be enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    reidid wrote: »
    I know man, I totally agree, not to mention that I went there because several people recommended that studio to me. But what should I do if I get the same artist, say "nah that one has poor skills, give me another one" ? Way too awkward.

    No pictures - custom designed tattooed on my arm. Don't really want anyone to ID me. The fact that I'm frustrated and unhappy should be enough.

    It's not really enough, as if it was anyone could come on here and try to destroy the reputation of a studio, and that's just not on when they're willing to put a place down but not stand behind their words. I know that may sound harsh, but that's the way it has to be, so I'll edit the studio name out of the post.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 muffles6012


    Have to say ive always found wildcat good to deal with. Dublin ink not so much. Husband getting one done with them though in a few weeks, ill let you know how it goes!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 145 ✭✭MrMan


    Dave Murphy in Dublin Ink has done two for me, he's great. Took my ideas and added loads of his own style to them. Really great black and grey pieces.

    I can't recommend him highly enough.


  • Registered Users Posts: 745 ✭✭✭baron von something


    philie in connected ink in temple bar did 2 big pieces on me (back and ribs.pics in the i'll show u mine thread) and i love them.i'd well recommend him.very professional and very sound dude


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 Mavridi


    If it looks like pimping your own shop and it smells like pimping your own shop!!!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    Stay away from Dublin Ink


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    benwavner wrote: »
    Stay away from Dublin Ink

    You wanna explain that, or should I just delete it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    You wanna explain that, or should I just delete it?

    Do what you want.

    The owner, ****ed my arm up before he opened up DI. He bailed on many appointments that he made and he messed up a lot of guys tattoos. Left them in bits, half done, bad lines, poor quality work.

    6 years I was waiting for him to finish what he started, in the end I had to get it finished by someone else. A good few studios in Dublin wouldnt finish it for me as it was so bad that they did not want to be associated with the previous work.

    They were shocked when I told them the whole story about him.

    Delete these posts if you want but tbh if you do, then someone else will be getting messed up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    benwavner wrote: »
    Do what you want.

    Honestly, there's no need for any attitude. We just don't allow posts slating studios when they offer no explanation why! Trust me, we have had enough of that in the past, and in order to avoid any problems, simply getting an explanation of why you advise against the place covers it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    Honestly, there's no need for any attitude. We just don't allow posts slating studios when they offer no explanation why! Trust me, we have had enough of that in the past, and in order to avoid any problems, simply getting an explanation of why you advise against the place covers it.

    Sorry Damo,

    The post comes across as having attitude but that was not the intention.
    I understand about not bashing studios without due cause. I just hope people dont find themselves in my position.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2 godallmighty22


    try <snip> :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    try <snip> :)


    :pac::pac: Starting to notice a bit of a pattern, you really do love skin city dont you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 godallmighty22


    <snip>
    Quality quality as its for the rest of your life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭Viva La Gloria


    I really want to go to Spilled Ink if I ever get any more tattoos, I've heard great things about the place and I've looked at some of their stuff online- amazing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭BeanFlicker


    Hi all,

    Does anyone have any experience with CRU Tattoo in Abbey Street? The guys name in there is Karl.

    Any idea's?

    Cheers,


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  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭Mick55


    Hi all,

    Does anyone have any experience with CRU Tattoo in Abbey Street? The guys name in there is Karl.

    Any idea's?

    Cheers,

    Hi beanFlicker (lol) i just got a tribal done few weeks ago by Karl, top bloke, good price and great tattoo! definitely recommend Cru.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭BeanFlicker


    Mick55 wrote: »
    Hi beanFlicker (lol) i just got a tribal done few weeks ago by Karl, top bloke, good price and great tattoo! definitely recommend Cru.

    Hi Mick,

    Happy it worked out for you, but I had a very different experience to you,

    He wanted 20e to do my drawing which he said he would discount from my tattoo, so I said fair enough and gave him it. We then had a Thursday booked for my first sitting and 3 hours before I was to go in, he texted me and said he "lost" my drawing.

    We then rearranged for the following day and he bailed on that too. Long story short, I got pissed off and went to Wildcat in Stephens Green.

    Had my first session with Attila yesterday in Wildcat, sound guy, very professional, no bullsh*t, his work is amazing and overall highly highly recommend. I'm delighted with the works he's done, back in two weeks to get it finished, so happy out. :cool:

    Never saw that drawing either, so ultimately a load of ****


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭Mick55


    Hi Mick,

    Happy it worked out for you, but I had a very different experience to you,

    ....

    Never saw that drawing either, so ultimately a load of ****

    That's ****ty man, from my experience I can't fault them. Glad it worked out for you though and you got your piece done. I had been around to a few different places pricing up and didn't like the attitude of the artists ( didn't venture as far as Wildcat mind you ) but found Cru to be bang on. Funny how people can have completely different experiences of a place! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 deepsigh


    A black butterfly? Really?

    Maybe it symbolises something important to them. Maybe it even matches a tattoo a loved one had who passed away. Maybe it's a beautiful design and it's purely for aesthetic reasons. Hell, maybe they just really, really like butterflies.


    Anyway, I've heard very good things about Wildcat. Attila did some really incredible shading on my friends tattoo. Got one done in Zulu recently myself, they're nice, but pricey. Dublin Ink is expensive and my friend who was tattooed there a couple of years ago said the staff were pretty unfriendly. Never been there myself though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 Mr. Pink


    I went to Dublin Ink for my first tattoo and had many problems with appointments being rescheduled.

    The first time was not their fault I was booked in with a guest artist who on the day decided he doesn't do the style I wanted. The owners were extremely sorry and nice about this which led to a nice discount of 250 on the finished piece.

    The other times that were cancelled on me were out of the blue and on the day of the booking leaving me with my appointment nearly 5 moths after the original date.

    The tattoo itself I love and was done by Dave Murphy who was really friendly and obviously very proud of the work he does and was enthusiastic during the work, it was freehanded pic is below.

    I'd recommend Dave for work as I think he did an amazing job just not Dublin Ink unfortunately for him I hope he moves elsewhere as Dublin Ink are terrible with appointments.

    221771.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 andrewosdit


    I second everything being said about Dublin Ink. Personal experience just last week resulted in the following f*** ups:

    Quoted different prices on email/instore/on day of appointment.
    Didn't even take my artwork that i wanted done, instead used crap stock photos that looked nothing similar.

    Even after that (and yes i take some blame for that) i went ahead anyways. Thennnn....

    Dude shaved my arm (no water, no gel no nothing, left me red for two days and now have dry skin.
    Theennnn...

    After about an hour and half of sketching the artwork on my arm informs me (just before starting might i add)...That it will be 2 sittings...which i wasnt even aware of...Calls the guy over..he says "yeah 2 sittings, 550-600 euro piece...for a lower arm tattoo!

    Tried to convince me to get outline done for the money i had, which was my birthday present as well, i told him no and left.

    Shambles.

    Im sure theyre quality is good, dont doubt that....But serious team communication needed in the shop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭D3PO


    Didn't even take my artwork that i wanted done, instead used crap stock photos that looked nothing similar.

    Even after that (and yes i take some blame for that).

    Why in the world did you even consider continuing the process after this ? Its your skin and its permanent. Insane to compromise on quality for convenience.

    I'm glad you didn't go through with it in the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    Dry shaving the area to be tattooed is common practice. You don't want that? Shave it yourself before you go!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 261 ✭✭Dr. Jonathan Crane


    Just dropping my own two cents in here as I've been tattooed and pierced in a good few shops at this stage.

    I wouldn't go near Dublin Ink. For piercings or tattoos. How their piercer got her job is just beyond me, she's made a mess of my sisters helix and a friends lobe (HOW do you f*ck up a lobe piercing) she should give it up before she really tries something she's not able for and leaves someone with a serious problem. Some of their tattoo work is okay, nothing incredible, unfortunately on the people I know with work from Dublin Ink, two are currently in the process of covering them up/fixing them. It seems crazy to me in this day and age that a tattoo only a few months old would be so poorly done it needs to be fixed. I can't speak for their artists as people, but I've heard on here and from people I know that there's some big attitude problems in the shop too, take from that what you will.

    I used to get all my piercings at Wildcat when I was 15 to 17. I never found the people there particularly nice, especially those on the desk but I stuck with them for a long time, until the British woman (who I would gladly shame if I knew her name) messed up my bridge piercing and told me I'd moved during the procedure. The piercing was not only crooked but shallow with a lot of blood. She then said she'd repierce it for me but I would have to pay another €70. I told her no way and she'd be piercing it again correctly for no extra cost which she did after a lot of huffing. That left a bad taste in my mouth and I haven't gone near them in about three years. A shame because Greg (who seems to have vanished into thin air?) and the American guy (Patric?) were both brilliant piercers and a pleasure to deal with. Since then I've gotten all piercings done by Steve at Snakebite and I can't recommend him highly enough, one of the soundest guys I've met in the piercing community. Paddy from Bodyshock is also a gentleman and great piercer, but I only went to him once.

    Spilled Ink are fantastic and I hope to get Paul to do some Japanese work on my right arm when I'm finished the left. He's done one tattoo for me so far and it looks brand new still, healed up perfectly and he was great to deal with before, during and after the tattoo. The owner seems like a very nice guy too, as does the other tattooer Anto, and I've seen a lot of his work on a friend and it's all good. Classic Ink are my other studio of choice, where I've gotten a lot done recently. Great shop and always a good energy in the place, great for anyone who's nervous about a first tattoo or just in general. Lots of flash to choose from if you're looking for reference, or just to choose a classic design. All the lads will also modify any existing flash however you like. I got my first tattoo at Golden Cat when I was young and knew no better, and will be having it covered up soon. It's not the worst, but it's far from the best. Can't speak for them now as I've not been in, but from what I've seen on Facebook the quality of work is still average at best. Got my second tattoo from someone in Snakebite two years ago and for what the tattoo is they did a fine job, but they were far from pleasant to deal with, no interest in naming the artist because everyone has their off days and I only met them once, it just made for a bad experience and an uncomfortable atmosphere, no good when you're getting a six hour tattoo. I've also seen some lovely stuff from Colourworks and Skin City but never been in myself.

    Anyway that's my experience of these shops. I know it's a long post and I'm sure I repeated myself a few times in other posts but I think it's better I give all the details rather than just praising one studio and bashing another. There's a few more I've been into and walked right out of again, a lot of places don't last very long or change their name or artists, so it'd be unfair to say x was a kip last year when it might be putting out incredible work now. I have no connection to any studio nor am I in any way involved in tattooing or piercing others, so I hope this post isn't a problem, just sharing my 5 or so years of experience with Dublin studios.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Dermighty


    I found Pzremo in Skin City very good to deal with (via email) and the speed of responses and his helpfulness is definitely worthy of a mention.

    I've yet to see what the attitude of the artists is like though, heading up next Thursday for my first one with Pawel so I'll find out.


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