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Physical force republican groups unite to form new IRA

  • 26-07-2012 10:06pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭


    Three of the four main dissident republican terror groups in Northern Ireland are to merge and reclaim the banner of the IRA, in a major escalation of attempts to destabilise power sharing.

    The Real IRA has been joined by Republican Action Against Drugs, which has been running a violent vigilante campaign in Derry, and a loose coalition of independent armed republican groups – leaving only the Continuity IRA outside the group.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jul/26/ira-northern-ireland-dissident-republican-groups

    A follow up article telling us how the statement was delivered:
    In the dark isolation of a dirt track just across the border in the Irish republic the 15 minutes seemed like a lifetime. I had been dropped near a disused farmhouse after being driven at top speed out of Derry city centre close to the Bogside, the neighbourhood that bears most of the scars of the Troubles.

    The instructions were firm, the tone cold: walk down, parallel to the city's ancient walls, wait for a car to stop, get in, say nothing and be taken to the destination.

    The republican dissidents who oppose the peace process were going to extraordinary lengths to deliver a statement about a development in their armed campaign; their insistence on security, and insurance that in the process they were not being tailed was extremely thorough.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jul/26/republican-dissidents-statement-real-ira

    And the statement itself;
    "Following extensive consultations, Irish republicans and a number of organisations involved in armed actions against the armed forces of the British crown have come together within a unified structure, under a single leadership, subservient to the constitution of the Irish Republican Army.

    "The leadership of the Irish Republican Army remains committed to the full realisation of the ideals and principles enshrined in the Proclamation of 1916.

    "In recent years the establishment of a free and independent Ireland has suffered setbacks due to the failure among the leadership of Irish nationalism and fractures within republicanism. The root cause of conflict in our country is the subversion of the nation's inalienable right to self-determination and this has yet to be addressed. Instead the Irish people have been sold a phoney peace, rubber-stamped by a token legislature in Stormont.

    "Non-conformist republicans are being subjected to harassment, arrest and violence by the forces of the British crown; others have been interned on the direction of an English overlord. It is Britain, not the IRA, which has chosen provocation and conflict.

    "The IRA's mandate for armed struggle derives from Britain's denial of the fundamental right of the Irish people to national self-determination and sovereignty – so long as Britain persists in its denial of national and democratic rights in Ireland the IRA will have to continue to assert those rights.

    "The necessity of armed struggle in pursuit of Irish freedom can be avoided through the removal of the British military presence in our country, the dismantling of their armed militias and the declaration of an internationally observed timescale that details the dismantling of British political interference in our country.

    "Signed Army Council … IRA."

    Surprised there was no thread on this already, given the potential significance of it. If this is true, and they have unified (I believe it is true) and the three groups (RIRA, RAAD and more significantly ONH) have managed to put aside their numerous differences and form a unified group, something which I thought was impossible, this is probably the biggest development for armed republicanism since 1997.

    There has to be serious questions asked about British policy in the six counties if groups which were at each others throats not too long ago can put aside their differences. One of the main reason for this I feel is what has happened in the prisons and with Marian Price and Martin Corey. Anti GFA republicans have stood together over issues with prisoners, perhaps this development is a natural one stemming from that.

    Intransigence from people who should really know better has thrust these groups together and sprung a "new IRA", an atmosphere of unity has been forged by the powers that be, something which could have been easily prevented by using some common sense.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Just in case it's not clear, and before someone puts words in my mouth, I am NOT happy that this has happened, quite the opposite in fact.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    To be honest I think the vast majority of people in Ireland wish they'd all just go away at this stage. Most people don't care.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭blindside88


    I would consider myself a republican (in the true meaning of the word) and cannot see how this will help anything, the fight for Irish freedom will be won with the pen rather than the sword, surely that has become obvious. The idea of the RIRA and the RAAD working together is laughable considering the influence the RIRA has on the Irish drug scene. The people than are abstaining from this group is more important than those who have aligned with it


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 the mer


    hope it doesnt start up again


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    gpf101 wrote: »
    To be honest I think the vast majority of people in Ireland wish they'd all just go away at this stage. Most people don't care.
    True, but if you want them to go away you need to do things (or not do things) in order to encourage that to come about. That however is not happening, quite the opposite in fact.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    gpf101 wrote: »
    To be honest I think the vast majority of people in Ireland wish they'd all just go away at this stage. Most people don't care.


    Not caring might be part of the reason these people continue to behave as they do. Too many people seem to wish their problem would just go away, few ever attempt to make that so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    RichardAnd wrote: »
    Not caring might be part of the reason these people continue to behave as they do. Too many people seem to wish their problem would just go away, few ever attempt to make that so.

    True, but what can be done? Until the people themselves accept that living peacefully with both sides accommodated is the only way forward then there will always be a small group willing to go to extremes to get their agenda across.

    As much as I'd like a 32 county Republic in theory, in reality I know it will never happen and we have to make the best of the way things are.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    They're a pack of old fat men who need to get laid.

    Sorry I'm unwilling to analyse it further, but I think the biggest problem is the poisonous legacy of 1916 in Irish history and the fact that these people have guns. So long as Ireland is divided there will be people like this. Just like as in America there will always be people to go on a murdering rampage. What is there to do? Its a national disease that affects an overwhelmingly tiny minority, just like the American mass killers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Denerick wrote: »
    They're a pack of old fat men who need to get laid.

    Sorry I'm unwilling to analyse it further, but I think the biggest problem is the poisonous legacy of 1916 in Irish history and the fact that these people have guns. So long as Ireland is divided there will be people like this. Just like as in America there will always be people to go on a murdering rampage. What is there to do? Its a national disease that affects an overwhelmingly tiny minority, just like the American mass killers.

    Then why post?

    Some of us might want to, and not go down the road of debating the merits of 1916 once again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    True, but if you want them to go away you need to do things (or not do things) in order to encourage that to come about. That however is not happening, quite the opposite in fact.
    You mean make concessions that favour your views. I wonder if unionist paramilitaries reformed off this would you be as quick to propose consessions to them. I say do nothing about this groups and let MI5, the PSNI and the BA do their jobs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    You mean make concessions that favour your views. I wonder if unionist paramilitaries reformed off this would you be as quick to propose consessionsto them. I say do nothing about this groups and let MI5, the PSNI and the BA do their jobs.

    Reformed? They never disbanded.

    Concessions?

    Simple steps that could be taken to undermine support would be to reform the prisons, have them the same way as Portlaoise. Stop breaching the human rights of republicans (described as such by a Judge) like Martin Corey. Reign in stop and searches and house raids.

    These are hardly major things.

    My political agenda is to see a united Ireland brought about by peaceful means, armed republicanism, which has no chance of working in this climate, hinders that goal.

    Intransigence has brought about unity among these armed groups. This is not a good development, clearly a rethink is necessary. Letting those people "do their jobs" clearly hasn't worked has it? It never has.

    I'm sure they are delighted however, won't be getting their budgets cut!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Hannibal


    these groups are always going to be there proclaiming to be the next/new IRA etc but the conditions aren't ripe for an armed campaign, the wheels are in motion for a 32 county Ireland and it will only come through dialogue, openness, respect and reconciliation.

    I find most of these groups are basically anti-SF to the extent most of the people involved with them and others like 32CSM, Eirigi etc would be better off joining the DUP and letting their steam off.

    Around 20 years ago the IRA realised that they couldn't win alone with an armed campaign, they accepted SF's strategy and playing the long game of politics coupled with forward thinking. I reckon easily about 95% of IRA members gave the game up but there's a small minority who have missed the boat and still think there's a war going on.

    Not one leading member of any dissident group has accepted MMcG's offer of talks because deep down they know their campaign is futile and having the bigger picture explained to them would probably blow their minds.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭LoYL


    So the PIRA joins with the RIRA, the CIRA and the OIRA to form the PORC IRA. They should smuggle sausages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Reformed? They never disbanded.

    Concessions?

    Simple steps that could be taken to undermine support would be to reform the prisons, have them the same way as Portlaoise. Stop breaching the human rights of republicans (described as such by a Judge) like Martin Corey. Reign in stop and searches and house raids.

    These are hardly major things.

    My political agenda is to see a united Ireland brought about by peaceful means, armed republicanism, which has no chance of working in this climate, hinders that goal.

    Intransigence has brought about unity among these armed groups. This is not a good development, clearly a rethink is necessary. Letting those people "do their jobs" clearly hasn't worked has it? It never has.

    I'm sure they are delighted however, won't be getting their budgets cut!
    Yes they are concessions. We can not allow men with guns to make demands of the government. If they are concerned with the conditions of prisoners let them take it up with their member of parliment as is their democratic right. Intransigence shows weakness and the government cannot be scene to bow at the threat of the resurgence of violence.

    Reign in stop and searches and house raids? If these groups are really reforming then it seems to me we should be dramatically increasing searchs and house raids. And if the PSNI, BA and MI5 do prove incapable of controlling these people then there may be call for policy or budgetary reforms to stop this terrorism before it spreads.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    There seems to be a collective shoulder shrug at most about this news. Most people will just think its all very 20th century and quite irrelevant here and now. Who is going to back them? Running an on going terror campaign takes money. Do they have money-raising friends in Libya? The USA? Kerry? North Korea?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    They don't have much support so they will only ever be a thorn in the side. Peace is the only way forward. Not many are interested in rehashing the old ways in the north.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭poeticseraphim


    They should be hunted down and exiled.

    Seriously they are hated ...by Irish people ..they are oppressive to Irish culture.

    I wonder how SF will try to spin it?? It should destroy their gains.

    They have effectively destroyed any chance of the South accepting the Idea of a united Ireland now never mind the North.

    They should be treated as nothing more than criminals.

    Forget about them...they are as oppressive as any foreign force really anti democratic scum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,304 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    The following concessions shall be made if they start doing the same sh|te again;

    The army will come back
    There will be random checks at borders
    More republican civilians get targeted

    Also, the other side shall probably reform, and we'll be back to step one again, but the rules will be slightly different.

    They'll all be seen as terrorists, and if, when they attempt to import arms, any links to Al Qaeda are made, they'll very soon understand the words;

    Sh|tstorm
    Unmanned UAV drones
    Bunker bombs
    Collateral damage.

    Oh, and they'll be getting lads coming from Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, who fully understand what war means.

    =-=

    As for the "Republican Action Against Drugs" - I wonder do they only kick you out if you don't pay protection money?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,268 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    It's arguably a good thing. A more centralised criminal group is easier for law enforcement groups to take down.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭h2005


    Did the Dundon/McCarthys release a statement when they amalagamated ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Republican Action Against Drugs? lol. Yes, like they don't run their own fúcking drug business.

    At this stage, they are largely just militarized criminal gangs, clutching on to supposed republican ideals as an excuse for their existence, so they can profit from criminal activities.

    The longer the conflict goes on, the longer they can try to justify their existence, and the longer they can perpetuate their criminal enterprise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    the_syco wrote: »
    The following concessions shall be made if they start doing the same sh|te again;

    The army will come back
    There will be random checks at borders
    More republican civilians get targeted

    Also, the other side shall probably reform, and we'll be back to step one again, but the rules will be slightly different.

    They'll all be seen as terrorists, and if, when they attempt to import arms, any links to Al Qaeda are made, they'll very soon understand the words;

    Sh|tstorm
    Unmanned UAV drones
    Bunker bombs
    Collateral damage.

    Oh, and they'll be getting lads coming from Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, who fully understand what war means.

    =-=

    As for the "Republican Action Against Drugs" - I wonder do they only kick you out if you don't pay protection money?
    Is that an attempt at a joke?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Sleepy wrote: »
    It's arguably a good thing. A more centralised criminal group is easier for law enforcement groups to take down.
    No, its not a good thing.

    Having armed groups divided and weakened is surely better than having them unified.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Republican Action Against Drugs? lol. Yes, like they don't run their own fúcking drug business.

    At this stage, they are largely just militarized criminal gangs, clutching on to supposed republican ideals as an excuse for their existence, so they can profit from criminal activities.

    The longer the conflict goes on, the longer they can try to justify their existence, and the longer they can perpetuate their criminal enterprise.
    RAAD run their own drug business? Thats news to me. Any evidence at all or is it simply evening herald "IRA drugs kingpins" type nonsense?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭scuba8


    So now we have two groups of criminal thugs making demands and trying to subvert the democratic will of the people of Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    RAAD run their own drug business? Thats news to me. Any evidence at all or is it simply evening herald "IRA drugs kingpins" type nonsense?
    It is about the remainder of the IRA groups in general, not that specific group; do you claim that none of the IRA groups run their own drug enterprise, or engage in regular criminal for-profit activity?

    In my opinion, it would be extremely naive to think there is any reason for the IRA to attack drug gangs, other than to take over their market, or to extort money out of existing gangs.

    There is no good reason left for their existence, except to maintain their built up criminal enterprise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    ^^^^
    Seriously a lot of the people involved are probably the old hard line republicans who were (and presumably are) extremely anti-drugs, and anyway these people aren;t particularly logical if they were they wouldn;t be doing what they;re doing!! what ever you say about them they are ideologically driven
    Look at the amount of evidence of loyalist paramilitaries being involved in drugs there is a loads of verified evidence, if the dissidents were involved in drugs there would be at least a fair few proven cases.
    Criminality is a different matter, some people make a lot of money of non-drug related illegal imports, at a certain point a fair few years ago half the population of Derry seemed to be smoking dodgy "Palace" fags.

    ps the INLA is a different matter.

    pps they're bad enough anyway so there's not really a need to smear them


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    These people are tedious..and hopefully they are disorganised and badly equipped as has been the case for the last 15 odd years. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    ^^^^
    Seriously a lot of the people involved are probably the old hard line republicans who were (and presumably are) extremely anti-drugs, and anyway these people aren;t particularly logical if they were they wouldn;t be doing what they;re doing!! what ever you say about them they are ideologically driven
    Look at the amount of evidence of loyalist paramilitaries being involved in drugs there is a loads of verified evidence, if the dissidents were involved in drugs there would be at least a fair few proven cases.
    Criminality is a different matter, some people make a lot of money of non-drug related illegal imports, at a certain point a fair few years ago half the population of Derry seemed to be smoking dodgy "Palace" fags.

    ps the INLA is a different matter.

    pps they're bad enough anyway so there's not really a need to smear them
    Granted, the remaining IRA groups don't allow any direct connections to drug dealing activity within their groups, but you still need to be very naive to look past the groups significant connections with individuals and criminal groups directly involved in the drug trade, and particularly the Colombian FARC group a decade ago (which was a huge embarrassment to them).

    The remaining IRA groups have their fingers dipped in significant criminal enterprise in every area, and are renowned for their extortion rackets; while there's no evidence nailing them directly regarding the drug trade, I'm personally of the opinion that it's very unlikely they stay out of just that one market, which happens to be the most lucrative one around.


    Info on their connection to FARC a decade ago:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/dec/09/northernireland.colombia

    More recent events that potentially link the IRA to drug dealing in the UK (but which I don't believe is hard evidence):
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/14/drug-mule-jailed-double-murder

    It can't be said that they definitely are involved in drug dealing, but to me, with their history of extortion (allegedly extending to drug gangs), connections with significant international individuals/groups involved in drug trading, their campaign hitting out at (potentially rival) drug gangs, their expansive criminal actions in just about every area etc....it's hard to look past all of that and not be cynical, to not think they don't have their fingers dipped into the drug trade as well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Denerick wrote: »
    They're a pack of old fat men who need to get laid.

    Sorry I'm unwilling to analyse it further, but I think the biggest problem is the poisonous legacy of 1916 in Irish history and the fact that these people have guns. So long as Ireland is divided there will be people like this. Just like as in America there will always be people to go on a murdering rampage. What is there to do? Its a national disease that affects an overwhelmingly tiny minority, just like the American mass killers.

    The republican and loyalist armed campaigns and British Army and RUC killed far more than American nutjobs. Not even comparable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Dotsey wrote: »
    the wheels are in motion for a 32 county Ireland and it will only come through dialogue, openness, respect and reconciliation.

    Do you really think the wheels are in motion?
    I think its centuries away if ever.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Intransigence from people who should really know better has thrust these groups together and sprung a "new IRA", an atmosphere of unity has been forged by the powers that be, something which could have been easily prevented by using some common sense.
    Wow. For a change, its everybody else's fault but the protagonists themselves.
    Quelle surprise . . .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Sometimes the greater good of society has to be protected and the individual rights of the few sacrificed for the greater good of society.
    These guys are hoods, thugs, criminals nothing else. Since the people north and South endorsed the Belfast Agreement these thugs have continued to murder and maim remember Masserene, Omagh, Constables Carroll and Kerr?
    The only way to fight fire is with fire and the Real Politic of this situation demands that any and all coercive measure required , from internment to shoot to kill be enacted to halt these criminals now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    JustinDee wrote: »
    Wow. For a change, its everybody else's fault but the protagonists themselves.
    Quelle surprise . . .
    Why do you think the groups involved, which have been at each others throats for years, have unified?

    Instead of this division being encouraged, the opposite has happened, unity has been encouraged by giving them things to rally around, ie prisons.

    This is a bad development for the peace process.

    It is Britians fault, namely the secretary of state and Mi5. This could have easily been prevented.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    It's the fault of a bunch of dinosaurs who did not accept the will of the majority of the people of Ireland. Blaming anyone else is quite disrespectful to the rest of us who continue to show our lack of support for these toerags at election time. Sinn Fein's vote grows precisely because they have moved away from their physical force past.

    My hope, although the security forces will never admit it, is that a single organisation which a unified command will be easier to infiltrate, monitor and disrupt. So long as this is done in a way which doesn't offer up any martyrs then I believe the expertise is in place to control these clowns, at least I hope so.

    If my comments seem disrespectful, it is intentional. I have absolute no respect for anyone associated with these murderers.


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    Why do you think the groups involved, which have been at each others throats for years, have unified?

    Instead of this division being encouraged, the opposite has happened, unity has been encouraged by giving them things to rally around, ie prisons.

    This is a bad development for the peace process.

    It is Britians fault, namely the secretary of state and Mi5. This could have easily been prevented.

    Do tell, how might Britain have appeased criminals such as these?

    I would class them as a criminal gang, because that is what the are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Why do you think the groups involved, which have been at each others throats for years, have unified?

    Instead of this division being encouraged, the opposite has happened, unity has been encouraged by giving them things to rally around, ie prisons.

    This is a bad development for the peace process.

    It is Britians fault, namely the secretary of state and Mi5. This could have easily been prevented.
    Bollocks.
    The fault lies with those who refuse to accept what the overwhelming majority of the electorate on this island want and bugger all else. The sooner they realise this, the better. Usurping the democratic wishes of population, particularly via violent means, is nothing more than fascism, allegedly one of the original causes of their struggle in the first place.
    I'd actually pity these ill-educated, misinformed deludées along with any excuse who supports them if it weren't for their means. Seriously lost characters.

    Its about time certain Irish folk grew up and realised that everything to blame is not across the ditch but right on their own effing doorstep.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    JustinDee wrote: »
    Bollocks.
    The fault lies with those who refuse to accept what the overwhelming majority of the electorate on this island want and bugger all else. The sooner they realise this, the better. Usurping the democratic wishes of population, particularly via violent means, is nothing more than fascism, allegedly one of the original causes of their struggle in the first place.
    I'd actually pity these ill-educated, misinformed deludées along with any excuse who supports them if it weren't for their means. Seriously lost characters.

    Its about time certain Irish folk grew up and realised that everything to blame is not across the ditch but right on their own effing doorstep.
    Well if you say its bollocks then it must be.

    What I'm saying is that this could have easily been prevented with a common sense approach, but it hasnt been, because of intransigence and sheer stupidity.

    It shouldn't be an unreasonable "concession" to have a just legal system which doesn't breach peoples human rights and a decent, safe and secure prison like Portlaiose. The issue in the prisons has forged unity, if this had have been removed by having a good system in place (if people object so much why are they content to have the system in Portlaoise?) not only would it not be bringing these groups together but it would starve them of their most potent propaganda.

    But it seems I'm totally unreasonable and full of bollocks for wanting to further the peace process.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Sometimes the greater good of society has to be protected and the individual rights of the few sacrificed for the greater good of society.
    These guys are hoods, thugs, criminals nothing else. Since the people north and South endorsed the Belfast Agreement these thugs have continued to murder and maim remember Masserene, Omagh, Constables Carroll and Kerr?
    The only way to fight fire is with fire and the Real Politic of this situation demands that any and all coercive measure required , from internment to shoot to kill be enacted to halt these criminals now.

    Oh my God. You are suggesting this new group be stamped out by the two things that swelled the ranks of the PIRA and gave them their biggest ever boosts.
    There are a lot of people on here talking a lot of crap about something they know very little about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Triangla


    New republican armed threat = more soldiers drafted in to deal with it

    Epic fail there lads


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    These clowns do not represent Ireland & they will receive very little support. By continuing the conflict they are actually declaring war on the wishes of the majority of the people in the Republic and the 6 counties who want peace.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Triangla wrote: »
    New republican armed threat = more soldiers drafted in to deal with it

    Epic fail there lads
    You don't comprehend the situation.

    That is exactly what they want, to shatter normalization and, as they would say, smash the false reality SF have built up and reveal the north as being just as much under the control, and at the mercy of, the Brits as ever before.

    So it's not an "epic fail". Brits on the street would be a win for them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    You don't comprehend the situation
    I do. They and their apologists don't. That's the problem.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    JustinDee wrote: »
    I do. They and their apologists don't. That's the problem.
    Congratulations.

    But that comment was not said to you... Are you aiming that "apologist" jibe at me? Looks that way seen as you dismissed the rest of my post.


  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭maddragon


    LoYL wrote: »
    So the PIRA joins with the RIRA, the CIRA and the OIRA to form the PORC IRA. They should smuggle sausages.

    That's a very hammy comment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭celtictiger32


    They should be hunted down and exiled.

    Seriously they are hated ...by Irish people ..they are oppressive to Irish culture.

    I wonder how SF will try to spin it?? It should destroy their gains.

    They have effectively destroyed any chance of the South accepting the Idea of a united Ireland now never mind the North.

    They should be treated as nothing more than criminals.

    Forget about them...they are as oppressive as any foreign force really anti democratic scum.

    why should sf have to try and spin it at all? and how would it destroy their gains? these are dissident republican groups that have been condemned by sf on numerous occasions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Triangla


    You don't comprehend the situation.

    That is exactly what they want, to shatter normalization and, as they would say, smash the false reality SF have built up and reveal the north as being just as much under the control, and at the mercy of, the Brits as ever before.

    So it's not an "epic fail". Brits on the street would be a win for them.

    I comprehend alright - don't worry about that.

    It's an epic fail, let's hope they someday achieve their goal so that they stop complaining about British rule and start giving out about Irish government rule like the rest of us!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Triangla wrote: »
    I comprehend alright - don't worry about that.

    It's an epic fail, let's hope they someday achieve their goal so that they stop complaining about British rule and start giving out about Irish government rule like the rest of us!
    How is it an epic fail if it's what they want?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Triangla


    It's an epic fail in my opinion.

    If it's what they want - it's an even more epic fail.

    Epic fail squared?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Triangla wrote: »
    It's an epic fail in my opinion.

    If it's what they want - it's an even more epic fail.

    Epic fail squared?
    I thought you were saying it was an "epic fail" from their POV.


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