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A discussion on the rules.

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  • #2652
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,537 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Here in the UK for instance we are facing a trade union bill which will place severe restrictions on picketing and other trade union activities, the general secretary of Unite, Len McCluskey, has said they'll carry on such actions regardless. If I advocate McCluskey's position (and I do genuinely agree with him here by the way) is that something that would also be covered by the rule you're describing above?

    I'm not asking these questions in order to be an awkward bastard either by the way, but I am genuinely curious as to what extent this charter curtails discussion. Unfortunately politics and the dynamics that drive it are not rigidly encased in a legal framework all of the time.

    Good example. I would say that it depends on both the wording of the post and the interpretation of the moderator. Moderation is more of an art than a science so we can and will make mistakes from time to time. I agree with Len here as well for what it's worth. However, it's when someone advocates the breaking of the law via a specific action that the problem arises, ie "You should go and protest this specific action and damn the police if they interfere".

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2653
    nesf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Here in the UK for instance we are facing a trade union bill which will place severe restrictions on picketing and other trade union activities, the general secretary of Unite, Len McCluskey, has said they'll carry on such actions regardless. If I advocate McCluskey's position (and I do genuinely agree with him here by the way) is that something that would also be covered by the rule you're describing above?

    I'm not asking these questions in order to be an awkward bastard either by the way, but I am genuinely curious as to what extent this charter curtails discussion. Unfortunately politics and the dynamics that drive it are not rigidly encased in a legal framework all of the time.

    There's a massive difference between a "right" being taken away and people continuing to exercise it and people doing something that has been illegal for many generations (also a massive difference between violent and non-violent breaches/actions). I think you've a point and one simple rule can't cover it but I think the context will give an obvious course of action in most cases.


  • #2654
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Grand, if it's based on curbing triumphalist nonsense about "shoot the terrorist scum" or "blow up the Brits" etc then that's fair enough but as I said above, when discussing incidents like South Africa, Irish conflict et al I wouldn't agree with someone being sanctioned for expressing sentiment contrary to a state-sponsored narrative.

    Violence is violence at the end of the day.


    I have some sympathy for your view.

    Say Berlin suffered like Paris and someone came on here and said Germany should send ground troops to Syria and join the effort against Islamic State. That would be in breach of the German constitution and technically therefore in breach of the charter on illegal violence but would be a fairly normal response.


  • #2655
    lochderg
    Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭lochderg


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Grand, if it's based on curbing triumphalist nonsense about "shoot the terrorist scum" or "blow up the Brits" etc then that's fair enough but as I said above, when discussing incidents like South Africa, Irish conflict et al I wouldn't agree with someone being sanctioned for expressing sentiment contrary to a state-sponsored narrative.

    Violence is violence at the end of the day.

    absolutely agree-a forum that follows guidelines as in above but that has a modern , fresh take on the 'old white guy' view alongside traditional viewpoints is long overdue


  • #2656
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Here in the UK for instance we are facing a trade union bill which will place severe restrictions on picketing and other trade union activities, the general secretary of Unite, Len McCluskey, has said they'll carry on such actions regardless. If I advocate McCluskey's position (and I do genuinely agree with him here by the way) is that something that would also be covered by the rule you're describing above?

    If you actively encourage people in the UK to break the law then it possibly breaches the sitewite t&c that says you cannot use boards.ie to promote or encourage illegal activity. I havent asked for a specific ruling on whether promoting extra territorial offences is covered because it hasnt arisen (this is not an invitation to test the limits by the way).

    Its a sitewide policy and out of our hands Im afraid.


  • #2657
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Godge wrote: »
    I have some sympathy for your view.

    Say Berlin suffered like Paris and someone came on here and said Germany should send ground troops to Syria and join the effort against Islamic State. That would be in breach of the German constitution and technically therefore in breach of the charter on illegal violence but would be a fairly normal response.

    Only a problem if the post was designed to encourage the German government to break the law.


  • #2658
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Thankfully Rosa Park's work is done. Boards is well, the world is well.


  • #2659
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Grand, if it's based on curbing triumphalist nonsense about "shoot the terrorist scum" or "blow up the Brits" etc then that's fair enough but as I said above, when discussing incidents like South Africa, Irish conflict et al I wouldn't agree with someone being sanctioned for expressing sentiment contrary to a state-sponsored narrative.

    Violence is violence at the end of the day.

    I think that is exactly the spirit of the rule. This isn't the place to discuss dissident armed campaigns, Loyalist paramilitary ones or state sponsored ones.

    That's the general idea behind it.

    A general civil disobedience campaign doesn't come under it really.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #2660
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    When it comes to N.I. we'll make a decision.

    We aren't here to solve the N.I. Peace process, so whether N.I. should be part of International politics or not, we aren't George Mitchell.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #2661
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    K-9 wrote: »
    When it comes to N.I. we'll make a decision.

    We aren't here to solve the N.I. Peace process, so whether N.I. should be part of International politics or not, we aren't George Mitchell.

    Does that mean you are here to solve all the other issues that haven't been partitioned off into their own corral?


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  • #2662
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Does that mean you are here to solve all the other issues that haven't been partitioned off into their own corral?

    Sure it's now reunited so..............

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #2663
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    So I was just wondering with the anniversary of the 1916 rising coming up will we be seeing bans being handed out for anyone celebrating the violent criminal acts that led to the foundation of the state?

    It seems the logical course once you accept this sort of guff at its own level I suppose.


  • #2664
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    My post the other day clarifies that.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #2665
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Mod Note:

    Nodin and Dan, the legitimacy or otherwise of racism is not part of the discussion on the rules of the Politics forum.


  • #2666
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Sigh. Yet another attack on moderation (this is not the free for all attack the mods thread) based on vague assertions and gut feelings. Ive deleted that post.

    This thread is to discuss rules and people despite warnings are not discussing rules.

    The next poster to make allegations of bias in relation to moderation will be banned. If you want to take this as proof that we really are biased feel free to do so

    Edit: Ive moved the whole discussion to feedback for all these grievances. You can post there once it has been mod approved in feedback and they reopen the thread:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057545787


  • #2667
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    I am in the process of reviewing the Mediterranean migrant thread, should be in a position to post about it tomorrow.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #2668
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Finally got around to finishing the review, apologies for the delay.

    Overall the thread is more lightly moderated than usual because of the subject matter, trying to keep a balance on the thread, mods posting on the thread and it being a megathread. It's a two way street though, and that means posters have to help us out so we can continue to mod it in a lighter style.

    I looked over the last 6 weeks or so of posts and can see a few cases when mods could have given cards or on thread warnings but didn't. It would be unfair to name individual posters but I can see 3 cases at least when cards would have been more appropriate, but mods gave the benefit of the doubt, hoping a warning would steer the thread back on track or ignored a few below standard posts to see if the thread would sort itself out.

    Often it is best to see if a thread corrects itself, particularly in threads like this, and then discussion goes on as normal, with no intervention needed.

    Thanks to everybody for their feedback, there are a few things we can take away from listening to the feedback, and we'll bear those in mind for future modding,

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #2669
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Some recent events have brought this thread to the attention of the admins, and some of what we have seen has been a definite cause for concern. While it's clear that the thread was initially created with the best of intentions to generate more feedback from the users of the forum, more recently it appears that it's being used as a one-stop shop to beat the forum mods up over any and every action, or lack of action they take. The mods time is being wasted defending themselves against unfair accusations of bias or in many cases they're just being subjected to some good old-fashioned trolling. This isn't fair to the mods and the efforts they put into running the forum voluntarily, or the rest of the users of the forum as it's taking away from the time the mods have to review other issues that arise in the forum.

    I'm not saying that the thread is completely worthless, far from it and I'm sure a lot of excellent feedback has been provided over the years, but from a Boards perspective it is a bit of an oddity. Other forums, most notably AH and Soccer, also have feedback threads, but these are annual events with the threads open for a limited period of time, rather than a permanently open thread. So on that basis it's time to close this particular chapter in the life of the Politics forum. It's had a good run, but having morphed over the years into something that's being used for purposes other than it was originally intended, perhaps a more focussed annual thread is now the better approach. This is one option that the forum mods will be looking at in the future, but they also may come up with better, alternative approaches.

    Either way, thanks to all who have contributed positively or who have provided constructive criticism over the years, it has been invaluable in helping to shape the forum.

    Zaph


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