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safely reduce body fat

  • 24-07-2014 3:13pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭!RAY


    Regular gym user. I have changed my routine and noticed good results. Anyway my bodyfat is between 16 and 19. I want to reduce it to around the 10% mark. My diet is health but not sure how many carbs I should be eating per day
    My weight is always between 88-90 k g and I am 6 ft 4. I work different shifts so one week I need to train at about 9 in the morning which I find hard as my energy level is not great.i wake up and have a bowl of portage then 15 later in the gym. Sorry for long winded question.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭!RAY


    !RAY wrote: »
    Regular gym user. I have changed my routine and noticed good results. Anyway my bodyfat is between 16 and 19. I want to reduce it to around the 10% mark. My diet is health but not sure how many carbs I should be eating per day
    My weight is always between 88-90 k g and I am 6 ft 4. I work different shifts so one week I need to train at about 9 in the morning which I find hard as my energy level is not great.i wake up and have a bowl of portage then 15 later in the gym. Sorry for long winded question.

    Sorry my diet is.
    Breakfast
    Porrage and a fruit smother I make small bit of protein in it.
    Lunch
    Potatoes green veg samon. Two peaches or other fruit.
    Snack
    Protein shake.
    Dinner
    Much the same as lunch.
    Snack
    Jacobs crackers cheese about 6.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    !RAY wrote: »
    Regular gym user. I have changed my routine and noticed good results. Anyway my bodyfat is between 16 and 19. I want to reduce it to around the 10% mark. My diet is health but not sure how many carbs I should be eating per day
    My weight is always between 88-90 k g and I am 6 ft 4. I work different shifts so one week I need to train at about 9 in the morning which I find hard as my energy level is not great.i wake up and have a bowl of portage then 15 later in the gym. Sorry for long winded question.

    Under 150 grams of carbs daily. The ideal way to do this is by limiting or eliminating sugar (including fruit) and grains from your diet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭!RAY


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Under 150 grams of carbs daily. The ideal way to do this is by limiting or eliminating sugar (including fruit) and grains from your diet.

    Thanks Bruno
    One concern I have is in the morning before the gym what should I eat for energy. Don't want to take supplements


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    !RAY wrote: »
    Thanks Bruno
    One concern I have is in the morning before the gym what should I eat for energy. Don't want to take supplements

    If I've time I eat an omelette (3-4 eggs, 2 tablespoon creme fraiche, some grated cheddar or feta and sometimes spinach) and sometimes with 2-3 slices of bacon from butchers.

    If time is limited I'd have Greek yogurt with blueberries and cinnamon (as much as I want until I feel full).

    I'd always have coffee made either with full fat cream and coconut oil or butter and coconut oil.

    I never need to eat again until lunch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭!RAY


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    If I've time I eat an omelette (3-4 eggs, 2 tablespoon creme fraiche, some grated cheddar or feta and sometimes spinach) and sometimes with 2-3 slices of bacon from butchers.

    If time is limited I'd have Greek yogurt with blueberries and cinnamon (as much as I want until I feel full).

    I'd always have coffee made either with full fat cream and coconut oil or butter and coconut oil.

    I never need to eat again until lunch.

    Cheers ill give that a go.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    !RAY wrote: »
    Thanks Bruno
    One concern I have is in the morning before the gym what should I eat for energy. Don't want to take supplements

    How much are you doing in the gym for morning session?

    You have a limited glycogen store in morning and an enormous fat store. Train your body to use the latter one. Maybe no need to eat anything in morning.

    Why the need to get to 10% bf?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    !RAY wrote: »
    Cheers ill give that a go.

    Just an FYI but Bruno's ideas are some what fringe and not generally accept by the majority here or science .


  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭!RAY


    ford2600 wrote: »
    How much are you doing in the gym for morning session?

    You have a limited glycogen store in morning and an enormous fat store. Train your body to use the latter one. Maybe no need to eat anything in morning.

    Why the need to get to 10% bf?
    Hi ford2600
    Just what to see the results from the gym. Heading on holiday. In the gym I do about 15 min bike and 30-40 weights. How do I train body to use the latter one ?
    Cheers


  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭!RAY


    Just an FYI but Bruno's ideas are some what fringe and not generally accept by the majority here or science .
    Hi LeinsterDub
    Can you add any help.
    Cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    !RAY wrote: »
    Hi LeinsterDub
    Can you add any help.
    Cheers

    Calculate you're BMR (see the stickies) and have a calorific deficient

    You do seems to be ingesting a lot of calories


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Just an FYI but Bruno's ideas are some what fringe and not generally accept by the majority here or science .

    Any chance you'd offer a solution instead? What can you not accept about what I said to the op?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Toombs


    Hi, for what its worth I used to have a bowl of cereal with blueberries before doing a workout in the gym. But found myself feeling lighted headed in the mornings after doing a reasonable level of aerobic exercise. I'd then move onto some weights and found myself getting light headed so I used to take a banana with me. I found eating it after I'd finished my aerobic exercise gave me the energy boost to get around a pretty intense weights programme with plenty of energy.

    Banana's are a good slow release of energy...

    However, I could do with getting my body fat percentage lower. So I'm leaner and fitter any suggestions on eating plan. I have a friend (ironically I know from down the pub) who works out a lot and he doesn't do carbs from mid-day onwards... I'm guessing it saves your body storing the carbs over night as fat. I don't want a quick fix but something more long term that's doable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Any chance you'd offer a solution instead? What can you not accept about what I said to the op?

    The fact that you just throw out posts to consume either less than 150g or 100g of carbs to everyone, regardless of sex, age, weight, height, fitness level, or activity type, would lead anyone to be sceptical of your knowledge in the discourse.

    I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, just saying that you can't expect anyone to think you know anything about nutrition.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    @OP - Your diet looks good, obviously can't tell without the size of the meals but for your weight and height it looks good. Have you stalled on weight loss or anything? The diet mightn't get you to 10% without a bit of macro-cycling but 10% is a lot further away from 19% than a lot of people think. I just say that because if you are losing weight and maintaining performance (no reason why you shouldn't be increasing performance) with your current diet then it's the perfect diet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭!RAY


    @OP - Your diet looks good, obviously can't tell without the size of the meals but for your weight and height it looks good. Have you stalled on weight loss or anything? The diet mightn't get you to 10% without a bit of macro-cycling but 10% is a lot further away from 19% than a lot of people think. I just say that because if you are losing weight and maintaining performance (no reason why you shouldn't be increasing performance) with your current diet then it's the perfect diet.

    Thanks.
    Food portions are average. One piece of salmon 2-3 patties hand portion of veg. Weight has always been between 88-90 k g. Performance is in providing. Actually I am superised by how much I got some pt sessions.massive difference after them
    I am just looking at diet and curious what to eat before gym at 9 in the morning
    The following week when I hit the gym after work in the evening are grand lots of energy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    Doesn't really matter what eat before the gym if you train at 9 in the morning, maybe if you do lots of cardio or lots of volume with your resistance training but it won't affect you otherwise. When I train in the morning I don't bother eating before it. If you're eating breakfast when you're not hungry that would be the first thing I'd look at cutting out if I was you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭!RAY


    Calculate you're BMR (see the stickies) and have a calorific deficient

    You do seems to be ingesting a lot of calories

    Right bmr is 1939.134 and for mod active person 3,000 calories


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    The fact that you just throw out posts to consume either less than 150g or 100g of carbs to everyone, regardless of sex, age, weight, height, fitness level, or activity type, would lead anyone to be sceptical of your knowledge in the discourse.

    I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, just saying that you can't expect anyone to think you know anything about nutrition.

    As immature and predictable as ever!

    It's not thrown out. It's pretty simple really and it applies to everyone. Limit carbohydrate intake to less than 150 grams daily from only real foods. Any person who adheres to this will reach an appropriate weight / body fat level for them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    As immature and predictable as ever!

    It's not thrown out. It's pretty simple really and it applies to everyone. Limit carbohydrate intake to less than 150 grams daily from only real foods. Any person who adheres to this will reach an appropriate weight / body fat level for them.

    So you think 150g of carbs will have the same effect on Benedikt Magnusson as it will for my 16 year old niece? You are a person well grounded in reality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    15mins cardiovascular? ?

    More cardio


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    How much pasta or potatoes or porridge is 150g of carb?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    So you think 150g of carbs will have the same effect on Benedikt Magnusson as it will for my 16 year old niece? You are a person well grounded in reality.

    That's a great comparison!
    This thread is about your average person reducing body fat and keeping it off. Well done on adding no relevance to another thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    That's a great comparison!
    This thread is about your average person reducing body fat and keeping it off. Well done on adding no relevance to another thread.

    Well why did you literally say it applies to everyone?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    bilbot79 wrote: »
    How much pasta or potatoes or porridge is 150g of carb?

    I can't remember exactly. You could try google?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    !RAY wrote: »
    Hi ford2600
    Just what to see the results from the gym. Heading on holiday. In the gym I do about 15 min bike and 30-40 weights. How do I train body to use the latter one ?
    Cheers

    Your looking for a very low body fat percentage.
    Hard enough to get there and certainly quickly in a sustainable healthy way.

    I can't tell you what will work for you only what I do which maybe of no use to you.

    There was a time I wouldn't train unless I was fueled up for fear of bonking, but now I'm the complete opposite. I can cycle for up to 5hrs/140km or so on empty in morning.

    Given I completely changed how I trained and also diet, very hard if impossible to say what contributed most. Placebo may also be at play of course.

    My body fat has dropped quite a bit in 11 months although that wasn't a goal. Don't have metrics for you other than weight is identical but clothes much looser, visibly leanrr face etc and waist about an inch less. Currently 13% bf.

    What it was previously I can't say.

    Whether diet or exercise related I can't say again.

    BTW I wouldn't dream of eating what Bruno suggested before gym. Our bofies struggle when attempting to digest large amounts of food while exercising. Different hormones required and we only have so much blood to go around!

    Best of luck. Take your time and don't hurry it. Your not doing too bad


  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭!RAY


    ford2600 wrote: »
    Your looking for a very low body fat percentage.
    Hard enough to get there and certainly quickly in a sustainable healthy way.

    I can't tell you what will work for you only what I do which maybe of no use to you.

    There was a time I wouldn't train unless I was fueled up for fear of bonking, but now I'm the complete opposite. I can cycle for up to 5hrs/140km or so on empty in morning.

    Given I completely changed how I trained and also diet, very hard if impossible to say what contributed most. Placebo may also be at play of course.

    My body fat has dropped quite a bit in 11 months although that wasn't a goal. Don't have metrics for you other than weight is identical but clothes much looser, visibly leanrr face etc and waist about an inch less. Currently 13% bf.

    What it was previously I can't say.

    Whether diet or exercise related I can't say again.

    BTW I wouldn't dream of eating what Bruno suggested before gym. Our bofies struggle when attempting to digest large amounts of food while exercising. Different hormones required and we only have so much blood to go around!

    Best of luck. Take your time and don't hurry it. Your not doing too bad

    Cheers Ford 2600
    To be honest just enjoying myself in the gym and getting in shape. Well done with 13% bf id be delighted with that. The reason I posted was that in 3-6 months time I don't want to look back and (not that it would bother me too much) say I should have done things a bit different. Your right everybody is different. Thanks for your replies and the best of luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Any chance you'd offer a solution instead? What can you not accept about what I said to the op?
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    If time is limited I'd have Greek yogurt with blueberries and cinnamon (as much as I want until I feel full)
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Under 150 grams of carbs daily. The ideal way to do this is by limiting or eliminating sugar (including fruit) and grains from your diet.


    Eh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    Eh?


    carbs dont count if some nut job on a paleo website says they're ok. are you silly r sumtn?

    u hafto ignore logic for it to work tho. There's carbs in eggs but they count because something etc...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Eh?

    What's your question?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    ill get your next post for you brunzie, you sit back and have a no bread, bread and butter sambo!

    aw another great contribution LeinsterDub! you really are redundant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    What's your question?

    Cut out fruit, eat as much fruit as you like. Explain this contradiction?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭TimeToShine


    Not this again...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Cut out fruit, eat as much fruit as you like. Explain this contradiction?

    A bit pedantic!

    I suppose I should have said as much Greek yogurt as I like with a handful of chopped blueberries and a sprinkling of cinnamon.

    Definitely don't eat as much fruit as you like. Stick to the berries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    A bit pedantic!

    I suppose I should have said as much Greek yogurt as I like with a handful of chopped blueberries and a sprinkling of cinnamon.

    Definitely don't eat as much fruit as you like. Stick to the berries.


    Berries aren't fruit now? Check
    Remind me what's the current stance on calories? All the same or some are different?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Berries aren't fruit now? Check
    Remind me what's the current stance on calories? All the same or some are different?

    You really need it spelled it out for you!

    If eating fruit- choose berries as they are lower in sugar / carbs than other fruit commonly eaten.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    !RAY wrote: »
    Regular gym user. I have changed my routine and noticed good results. Anyway my bodyfat is between 16 and 19. I want to reduce it to around the 10% mark. My diet is health but not sure how many carbs I should be eating per day
    My weight is always between 88-90 k g and I am 6 ft 4. I work different shifts so one week I need to train at about 9 in the morning which I find hard as my energy level is not great.i wake up and have a bowl of portage then 15 later in the gym. Sorry for long winded question.

    I reduced my bodyfat from 23% to 14%. It's taken about 18-24 months. Pretty much all done through food with a small bit of exercise. I used to run a lot but could never lose the body fat as I was eating too many carbs at every meal. The process became easier and the results were better when I completely removed grains and sugar and added in lots of healthy fats.

    You are clearly training a fair bit so you should see good results. Good luck with it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭!RAY


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    I reduced my bodyfat from 23% to 14%. It's taken about 18-24 months. Pretty much all done through food with a small bit of exercise. I used to run a lot but could never lose the body fat as I was eating too many carbs at every meal. The process became easier and the results were better when I completely removed grains and sugar and added in lots of healthy fats.

    You are clearly training a fair bit so you should see good results. Good luck with it.

    Cheers


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    @bruno26 - you talk of healthy fats, could you mention a few unhealthy ones?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    @bruno26 - you talk of healthy fats, could you mention a few unhealthy ones?
    im not replying to you so dont reply to me.

    That lasted long!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    it wasn't a reply? to quote another poster on this forum, 'do I need to spell it out?'

    u jus gonna avoid this question too?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10 Sibhsoo


    Unhealthy fats are usually man made ones such as trans fats. Eat animal fat, olive oil, real butter and coconut oil to name a few good fats to eat.

    Although there is a theory that all polyunsaturated fats are actually harmful.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    Sibhsoo wrote: »
    Unhealthy fats are usually man made ones such as trans fats. Eat animal fat, olive oil, real butter and coconut oil to name a few good fats to eat.

    Although there is a theory that all polyunsaturated fats are actually harmful.

    There is a theory that the moon landing was a hoax, there are also people who actually believe the world is flat. Just because someone thinks it doesn't make it true.

    Anyway, it was just a question to see if Bruno26 could directly answer one. Which it appears he can't. High fat people will tend to waffle and nearly give a concrete statement, but they never say anything accurate/specific enough to prove right or wrong. This also has the effect of making their nearly information totally useless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    There is a theory that the moon landing was a hoax, there are also people who actually believe the world is flat. Just because someone thinks it doesn't make it true.

    Anyway, it was just a question to see if Bruno26 could directly answer one. Which it appears he can't. High fat people will tend to waffle and nearly give a concrete statement, but they never say anything accurate/specific enough to prove right or wrong. This also has the effect of making their nearly information totally useless.



    Just a reminder!

    Quote: generic2012
    im not replying to you so dont reply to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    So you obviously can't.... doesn't bode very well for the 'information' you're posting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    For everything you ever wanted to know about fats- natural, man-made, healthy or unhealthy check out a book called The Big Fat Surprise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    Thanks for backing up my last post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    @bruno26 - you talk of healthy fats, could you mention a few unhealthy ones?

    It really is a great book. Seeing you don't know the answer to the above question I feel it will greatly benefit you. It's also full of science therefore it has to be all true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    I just asked because I enjoy watching the lengths you'll go to to answer a question. I don't mind that you don't have a clue what you're on about, it's just that I think it's reprehensible and very dangerous that you give out advice to persuadable posters.

    And it's not 'full of science', it's full of numbers which it uses to posit some very dubious ideas based on some, at best, very flimsy correlations.

    Any chance of listing the unhealthy fats?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    I just asked because I enjoy watching the lengths you'll go to to answer a question. I don't mind that you don't have a clue what you're on about, it's just that I think it's reprehensible and very dangerous that you give out advice to persuadable posters.

    And it's not 'full of science', it's full of numbers which it uses to posit some very dubious ideas based on some, at best, very flimsy correlations.

    Any chance of listing the unhealthy fats?[/QUOT

    Anything man-made found in processed food would be the answer to that. Fat in real food- it's all good.

    Oh I thought you asked because you hadn't a clue! I suppose that was an easy assumption to make based on some of your incoherent recent posts.

    Read the book- you just might question everything you believe to be correct.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭MaceFace


    To the OP, my advise, after spending years following various plans and doing a lot (and I mean a lot) of reading on the wider subject.

    The basics are eat what you want as long as your calorie intake is under or at the level you need for your desired weight loss.
    The calories need to contain a certain amount of protein - everyone has their opinion. Mine would be 1g/lb LBM on a cut, maybe higher.
    Also needs to contain fats. I don't know if anyone really knows how much fat is absolutely necessary as for too long there was controversy about fat and the common thinking was that it was bad for you. Personally, on a cut, I use anywhere from 1.2g/lb - 2g/lb of bodyweight
    Don't need Carbs - ever.

    First two are opinion, third is fact.

    The longer version is what there is constant arguing about here - how much carbs should one take.
    Where Bruno gets a magic 150g number from, I have no idea. I don't understand this "magic" number. There was a time when I ate a low carb (<20g/day) diet and put on weight, so it completely flies in the face of the facts that Bruno puts out.
    Maybe for him, 150g/day has worked, but I don't see how that can apply to a general population.

    Following a low carb diet (<50g/day generally speaking) should put you into ketosis and your body will look to fat as the primary energy source. I went 3 months with <20g/day of carbs without losing any strength or cardio impact - I never had problems doing 45 mins of cardio. People who never tried keto did not understand how I could do this, but I did. So, carbs are not required, but are difficult to avoid. Problem with a high carb diet though is the blood sugar spikes which cause hunger when they come back down. Protein and fats will keep you satisfied for longer without the spikes.

    So, keeping this all very basic, which is all you can do in a forum like this, my recommendation would be to make a plan, write it down - how many calories/protein/fat/carbs you want to consume in a day for your goals. Measure and track everything. Follow religiously and wait.

    The other piece of advise I would give is how low your calorie intake should be. Getting to anywhere near 10% bf is going to be very hard. When I cut, I tend to use a deficit of 29 calories/day per lb fat. So, I work out how much fat I am carrying, multiply by 29 and that's my deficit. Anything more risks losing lbm.


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