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Luke Ming Flanagan's Credibility

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  • #52
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Yes why say that he was in 34 of 35 sittings. :confused:


  • #53
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Godge wrote: »
    What a rebel, he doesn't use his fob to key in.
    There is a signing option. Oireachtas.ie says there is also an option to correct an attendance on the record at the end of a data period.

    So yes, the Indo should have checked this. It would only be courteous to ask the Deputy for an explanation before going to print, and it is certainly the prudent thing to do, given the alternatives set out above.


  • #54
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    He has the highest attendance rates and contributions for Dail debates.

    On half the salary of the rest of the TDs.


  • #55
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    He has the highest attendance rates and contributions for Dail debates.

    On half the salary of the rest of the TDs.

    And still can't bring a legalise weed Bill.


  • #56
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    He has the highest attendance rates and contributions for Dail debates.

    On half the salary of the rest of the TDs.

    Its a pity all his contributions are worth feck all.


  • #57
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    This happens a lot with TDs - the Indo report people as not attending even though they may have (we wont know for certain I suspect) but they just didn't 'clock in'.


  • #58
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Here we go again. In the real world If you don't clock un you don't get paid.


  • #59
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Here we go again. In the real world If you don't clock un you don't get paid.

    funny.
    never 'clocked in' at work

    but have always been paid.


  • #60
    Sully
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    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    funny.
    never 'clocked in' at work

    but have always been paid.

    Depends on the company. I know some companies are very strict on this and have big reminder notices up as you walk into the staff area reminding people they need to clock in.


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  • #61
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Sully wrote: »
    Depends on the company. I know some companies are very strict on this and have big reminder notices up as you walk into the staff area reminding people they need to clock in.

    I don't work for a company
    I provide a service and get paid a salary


  • #62
    Sully
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    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    I don't work for a company
    I provide a service and get paid a salary

    Nobody suggested it was done in every single company.


  • #63
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Looks like he could get elected as a Euro MP, according to the polls...


  • #64
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Looks like he could get elected as a Euro MP, according to the polls...

    And deservedly so


  • #65
    comongethappy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    And deservedly so

    Why?

    On what merit does he or anyone get elected to the EU parliament?

    Especially if they are not an incumbent.


  • #66
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,657 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Any person who arrives in to the Dail dressed as he and Wallace dress should never be permitted. Straight off the bat they are showing an arrogance, and a contempt for the Dail. But I guess there will folks who will defend it. Standards have been slipping in Ireland for many years now.


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  • #67
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    walshb wrote: »
    Any person who arrives in to the Dail dressed as he and Wallace dress should never be permitted. Straight off the bat they are showing an arrogance, and a contempt for the Dail. But I guess there will folks who will defend it. Standards have been slipping in Ireland for many years now.

    Why does this really bother people so much? I am truly more concerned with what comes out of his mouth rather than his lovely slim fitted Copeland suit.


  • #68
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    walshb wrote: »
    Any person who arrives in to the Dail dressed as he and Wallace dress should never be permitted. Straight off the bat they are showing an arrogance, and a contempt for the Dail. But I guess there will folks who will defend it. Standards have been slipping in Ireland for many years now.

    riiiiiight.
    cause they are upholding the standards that the other TDs set.
    Ha!

    maybe they need suits so they can line their own pockets.


  • #69
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    comongethappy wrote: »
    Why?

    On what merit does he or anyone get elected to the EU parliament?

    Especially if they are not an incumbent.

    Thats a different argument I guess and I agree to an extent that sitting TD’s who have been elected on a mandate to serve should not be allowed to break that contract and run for another office.

    With that said..it will be interesting to see how if gets on in Europe if he's elected.


  • #70
    walrusgumble
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    walshb wrote: »
    Any person who arrives in to the Dail dressed as he and Wallace dress should never be permitted. Straight off the bat they are showing an arrogance, and a contempt for the Dail. But I guess there will folks who will defend it. Standards have been slipping in Ireland for many years now.

    Evidentially, you have never seen the dress code of many European MP's so.

    People, I believe, are more interested in what they say and so as oppose to what they wear.

    After all, it was the suits that broke the country.

    Standards? Don't make me laugh


  • #71
    baldbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,587 ✭✭✭baldbear


    walshb wrote: »
    Any person who arrives in to the Dail dressed as he and Wallace dress should never be permitted. Straight off the bat they are showing an arrogance, and a contempt for the Dail. But I guess there will folks who will defend it. Standards have been slipping in Ireland for many years now.

    You judge a person by what they wear? The suits are the people getting sentenced this week.

    Mick Wallace is a easy target for his tax affairs but he did bring the penalty point scandal to the dáil whilst the suits kept quiet.


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  • #72
    walshb
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    baldbear wrote: »
    You judge a person by what they wear? The suits are the people getting sentenced this week.

    Mick Wallace is a easy target for his tax affairs but he did bring the penalty point scandal to the dáil whilst the suits kept quiet.

    I don't only gauge an impression by clothes. Like I said, standards have been slipping. No different than people going to funerals in runners and track suits. It's just shows a lack of respect and dignity.


  • #73
    Birdie Num Num
    Registered Users Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Birdie Num Num


    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    Why does this really bother people so much? I am truly more concerned with what comes out of his mouth rather than his lovely slim fitted Copeland suit.

    I really don't mind Ming all that much. I used to dislike the guy but admire him on some levels. I do think the dress wear, particularly that of Wallace, smacks of disrespect and does them no favours.

    Presuming you are from Mayo. How would you feel if a Mayo player ran on to the pitch in a Championship game wearing a different Jersey to his team mates? ...and would he be allowed to stay on the pitch?


  • #74
    Birdie Num Num
    Registered Users Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Birdie Num Num


    baldbear wrote: »
    You judge a person by what they wear? The suits are the people getting sentenced this week

    And you don't judge people that wear suits?


  • #75
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    The two most recent ministers for health look like walking big mac's......... but what ya gonna do...........


  • #76
    Triangla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Triangla


    walshb wrote: »
    Any person who arrives in to the Dail dressed as he and Wallace dress should never be permitted. Straight off the bat they are showing an arrogance, and a contempt for the Dail. But I guess there will folks who will defend it. Standards have been slipping in Ireland for many years now.

    Ivor Callely was always smartly dressed. Not sure how that enhanced him as a person or public representative.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ivor-callely-a-controversial-and-divisive-figure-during-his-long-political-career-1.1711237

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/supreme-court-finds-in-favour-of-committee-over-callely-expenses-1.1755641

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/ivor-callely-pleads-guilty-to-fraudulently-using-an-invoice-30057455.html

    I don't care what politicians wear once they're honest and do their jobs.


  • #77
    RoboRat
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    I really don't mind Ming all that much. I used to dislike the guy but admire him on some levels. I do think the dress wear, particularly that of Wallace, smacks of disrespect and does them no favours.

    Same as myself, used to hate the guy and wondered what the hell he was doing in politics but he has altered my opinion of him. He is one of the few TD's that seems to have any kind of integrity. I don't agree with his manifest but I sure as hell respect him.

    What he wears is of no significance, he is a TD, not a reporter of Paris fashion week. He could tone it down a bit but I don't see the need to wear suits.


  • #78
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Triangla wrote: »
    Ivor Callely was always smartly dressed. Not sure how that enhanced him as a person or public representative.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ivor-callely-a-controversial-and-divisive-figure-during-his-long-political-career-1.1711237

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/supreme-court-finds-in-favour-of-committee-over-callely-expenses-1.1755641

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/ivor-callely-pleads-guilty-to-fraudulently-using-an-invoice-30057455.html

    I don't care what politicians wear once they're honest and do their jobs.

    He'd probably kit out well for the Mayo team, but be embroiled in a match fixing scandal before the quarter finals.
    Sharp looking jersey though.......... well pressed etc.


  • #79
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,657 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Triangla wrote: »
    Ivor Callely was always smartly dressed. Not sure how that enhanced him as a person or public representative.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ivor-callely-a-controversial-and-divisive-figure-during-his-long-political-career-1.1711237

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/supreme-court-finds-in-favour-of-committee-over-callely-expenses-1.1755641

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/ivor-callely-pleads-guilty-to-fraudulently-using-an-invoice-30057455.html

    I don't care what politicians wear once they're honest and do their jobs.

    Not sure what this has to do with Wallace and Ming coming to the Dail dressed like tramps!


  • #80
    Birdie Num Num
    Registered Users Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Birdie Num Num


    RoboRat wrote: »
    Same as myself, used to hate the guy and wondered what the hell he was doing in politics but he has altered my opinion of him. He is one of the few TD's that seems to have any kind of integrity. I don't agree with his manifest but I sure as hell respect him.

    What he wears is of no significance, he is a TD, not a reporter of Paris fashion week. He could tone it down a bit but I don't see the need to wear suits.

    Nothing about wearing suits, it's about having a bit of respect for our houses of the Oireachtas and the people you represent. Not directed at you RoboRat but it always surprises me how many people who claim they don't judge people by what they wear are quick to judge people who wear suits?


  • #81
    Triangla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Triangla


    walshb wrote: »
    Not sure what this has to do with Wallace and Ming coming to the Dail dressed like tramps!


    As per your original post: "Any person who arrives in to the Dail dressed as he and Wallace dress should never be permitted. Straight off the bat they are showing an arrogance, and a contempt for the Dail. But I guess there will folks who will defend it. Standards have been slipping in Ireland for many years now."

    Wallace and Flanagan may dress casually. You say that this shows arrogance and contempt for the Dail. You say standards have been slipping in Ireland for many years now.

    Well dressed, respectable seeming politicians have lied and cheated the state out of vast amounts of money for as long as I can remember. We all remember Charlie Haughey and his lovely Charvet shirts.

    Callely is the most recent incarnation of this. Bending the rules and milking the state coffers all the while hiding under an air of respectability. The nice clothes, the nice house.

    I have never seen an election poster with "Vote No 1 - I wear nice suits!".

    I'm sure those who elected Ming Flanagan knew what they were voting for and they got that.


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  • #82
    mikom
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    There are tramps and then there are TRAMPS............


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UngkJ2hdsgo


  • #83
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,657 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Triangla wrote: »

    Wallace and Flanagan may dress casually. You say that this shows arrogance and contempt for the Dail. You say standards have been slipping in Ireland for many years now.

    Well dressed, respectable seeming politicians have lied and cheated the state out of vast amounts of money for as long as I can remember. We all remember Charlie Haughey and his lovely Charvet shirts.

    Callely is the most recent incarnation of this. Bending the rules and milking the state coffers all the while hiding under an air of respectability. The nice clothes, the nice house.

    I have never seen an election poster with "Vote No 1 - I wear nice suits!".

    I'm sure those who elected Ming Flanagan knew what they were voting for and they got that.

    Not sure what others have got to do with it. Not sure what politicians wearing appropriate attire has got to do with Ming and Wallace not wearing appropriate attire.


  • #84
    Yellowblackbird
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Yellowblackbird


    Triangla wrote: »
    As per your original post: "Any person who arrives in to the Dail dressed as he and Wallace dress should never be permitted. Straight off the bat they are showing an arrogance, and a contempt for the Dail. But I guess there will folks who will defend it. Standards have been slipping in Ireland for many years now."

    Wallace and Flanagan may dress casually. You say that this shows arrogance and contempt for the Dail. You say standards have been slipping in Ireland for many years now.

    Well dressed, respectable seeming politicians have lied and cheated the state out of vast amounts of money for as long as I can remember. We all remember Charlie Haughey and his lovely Charvet shirts.

    Callely is the most recent incarnation of this. Bending the rules and milking the state coffers all the while hiding under an air of respectability. The nice clothes, the nice house.

    I have never seen an election poster with "Vote No 1 - I wear nice suits!".

    I'm sure those who elected Ming Flanagan knew what they were voting for and they got that.

    This is the flow of your logic.....
    I know a guy once who committed murder. He was wearing a suit.
    Never wear a suit to an interview.


  • #85
    Triangla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Triangla


    Yellowblackbird wrote: »
    This is the flow of your logic.....
    I know a guy once who committed murder. He was wearing a suit.
    Never wear a suit to an interview.

    No.

    This thread restarted with a post about Ming and Wallace not dressing up in suits for the dail.

    As per my posts, wearing a suit is inconsequential to them both performing their jobs.

    Suit does not guarantee any type of superior performance.


  • #86
    Pedro K
    Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Pedro K


    Birdie Num Num wrote: »
    I really don't mind Ming all that much. I used to dislike the guy but admire him on some levels. I do think the dress wear, particularly that of Wallace, smacks of disrespect and does them no favours.

    Presuming you are from Mayo. How would you feel if a Mayo player ran on to the pitch in a Championship game wearing a different Jersey to his team mates? ...and would he be allowed to stay on the pitch?
    Bit of a silly analogy. The jerseys are used to identify members of the same team for all concerned. Teammates, spectators, referees etc.

    Unless you're suggesting we put all the Labour TDs in red, FF in blue, indies in yellow etc.


  • #87
    Yellowblackbird
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Yellowblackbird


    Triangla wrote: »
    No.

    This thread restarted with a post about Ming and Wallace not dressing up in suits for the dail.

    As per my posts, wearing a suit is inconsequential to them both performing their jobs.

    Suit does not guarantee any type of superior performance.

    Forget the thread. If you can't defend your post above don't go running to the thread to save you. In your post you said Callely was a crook and he wore a suit. I have no particular stand on society's dress codes but your argument against them re Callely is illogical. Formulate a proper argument against dress codes.


  • #88
    Birdie Num Num
    Registered Users Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Birdie Num Num


    Pedro K wrote: »
    Bit of a silly analogy. The jerseys are used to identify members of the same team for all concerned. Teammates, spectators, referees etc.

    Unless you're suggesting we put all the Labour TDs in red, FF in blue, indies in yellow etc.

    Not at all the point I was making. I went to school, I respected I had to wear a school uniform. I worked in a company where there was a dress code which I respected also. I competed for an athletic club and I respected that club colours had to be worn in championship events.


  • #89
    Zubeneschamali
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    Birdie Num Num wrote: »
    I went to school, I respected I had to wear a school uniform. I worked in a company where there was a dress code which I respected also. I competed for an athletic club and I respected that club colours had to be worn in championship events.

    Ming was elected to the Dail, and it turns out there are no rules for what to wear there, so he can wear what he likes.

    What was your point exactly?


  • #90
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,657 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Triangla wrote: »

    Suit does not guarantee any type of superior performance.

    Who said it does?


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  • #91
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,657 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Birdie Num Num wrote: »
    Not at all the point I was making. I went to school, I respected I had to wear a school uniform. I worked in a company where there was a dress code which I respected also. I competed for an athletic club and I respected that club colours had to be worn in championship events.

    Exactly. It's all down to certain standards. It's sorely lacking in society.


  • #92
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    Birdie Num Num wrote: »
    Not at all the point I was making. I went to school, I respected I had to wear a school uniform. I worked in a company where there was a dress code which I respected also. I competed for an athletic club and I respected that club colours had to be worn in championship events.

    If people in his constituency wanted that type of person representing them, that's what they would have voted for. Have a little bit of respect for democracy. This country was destroyed by suit wearing criminals with school ties and club memberships.


  • #93
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Ming was elected to the Dail, and it turns out there are no rules for what to wear there, so he can wear what he likes.

    What was your point exactly?

    Dress according to your job, it's an unwritten social rule, one we all judge - to dress inappropriately is generally a sign of disrespect/contempt for the job, co-workers or worse, having personal issues

    Seriously, if your lawyer turned up to court in a jeans and tshirt.. I'm sure you'd be the first to form a negative opinion


  • #94
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Dress according to your job, it's an unwritten social rule, one we all judge - to dress inappropriately is generally a sign of disrespect/contempt for the job, co-workers or worse, having personal issues

    Seriously, if your lawyer turned up to court in a jeans and tshirt.. I'm sure you'd be the first to form a negative opinion

    No 1. Mistake, judging a book by its cover, Irish people won't be fooled by that shyte anymore.


  • #95
    dinorebel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    ryan101 wrote: »
    No 1. Mistake, judging a book by its cover, Irish people won't be fooled by that shyte anymore.
    Problem is the book in question seems to have nothing between its slightly shabby covers.


  • #96
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,657 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    ryan101 wrote: »
    No 1. Mistake, judging a book by its cover, Irish people won't be fooled by that shyte anymore.

    Sorry, that's nonsense. Like it or not we as people do form opinions based on appearance. The issue is not how honest and decent and effective the dress codes makes the politician. To come to your place of work, in this case, Leinster house and to deliberately dress down, because that is what they are doing, is showing a lack of respect for the house and what the house represents. Nobody is saying they have to wear Armani suits, but those two boys are blatantly taking the p&S*.


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  • #97
    Birdie Num Num
    Registered Users Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Birdie Num Num


    ryan101 wrote: »
    If people in his constituency wanted that type of person representing them, that's what they would have voted for. Have a little bit of respect for democracy. This country was destroyed by suit wearing criminals with school ties and club memberships.

    He may well be representing me. I may even agree with him on some levels. Not sure if you have read my posts. I completely respect democracy and I am democratic enough not to judge people by what they wear. That is entirely different to having a bit of respect for who you represent and where you represent them.


  • #98
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    walshb wrote: »
    Sorry, that's nonsense. Like it or not we as people do form opinions based on appearance. The issue is not how honest and decent and effective the dress codes makes the politician. To come to your place of work, in this case, Leinster house and to deliberately dress down, because that is what they are doing, is showing a lack of respect for the house and what the house represents. Nobody is saying they have to wear Armani suits, but those two boys are blatantly taking the p&S*.

    Respect for Leinster house ? What respect did that hoor 'house' ever show to the ordinary working taxpayers of Ireland ?
    Respect for Leinster house and what it represents - LOL


  • #99
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,657 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    ryan101 wrote: »
    Respect for Leinster house ? What respect did that hoor 'house' ever show to the ordinary working taxpayers of Ireland ?
    Respect for Leinster house and what it represents - LOL

    You are missing the point. Nobody is saying that every suit wearing politician did his/her best for this country. That doesn't mean we show the house contempt. Leinster house represents a hell of a lot for a hell of a lot of people on this island. Ming and Wallace's dress code is completely inappropriate for their positions in the house.


  • #100
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    walshb wrote: »
    You are missing the point. Nobody is saying that every suit wearing politician did his/her best for this country. That doesn't mean we show the house contempt. Leinster house represents a hell of a lot for a hell of a lot of people on this island. Ming and Wallace's dress code is completely inappropriate for their positions in the house.

    No you're missing the point.
    People are not that stupid about Leinster house anymore, I'd have more respect for my local knocking shop than that den of scumbags.


  • #101
    Birdie Num Num
    Registered Users Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Birdie Num Num


    ryan101 wrote: »
    Respect for Leinster house ? What respect did that hoor 'house' ever show to the ordinary working taxpayers of Ireland ?
    Respect for Leinster house and what it represents - LOL

    And are you being selective in that comment or are you including Ming?


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