Israeli apartheid

BlaasForRafa · 01-04-2010 4:41pm

joesoap007 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JglKSFrhjec

Finklestein on Al Jazeera, are you kidding? try something less phenomenally biased next time.

anymore · 02-04-2010 2:16pm

wes wrote: »

The post you quote talks about Hebron, and not Jerusalem. So I think you conclusion is an interesting one.

Secondly, if you read the numerous replies to that post, you would know that the Palestinian are the indigenous population, who are descended from the various people who lived there. So your whole longevity arguement kind of falls apart, as the Palestinians were there longer, than European colonists. However, that isn't basis for Palestinian claims to East Jerusalem, there claims are based in International law.

Finally, there are various UN resolutions and the International concensus for resolution of the conflict, which all say that East Jerusalem is occupied and belongs to the Palestinians.

Just out of curiosity, how did those well known democracies and respectors of Human Rights such as Libya, Zimbabwe, China, Cuba, Afghanistan etc vote on these various resolutions ? After all these fine democracies contribute to what is somewhat laughably called 'International law', do they not ?
Also out of curiosity, are there any members of the Bahai Faith in Palestine ?

wes · 02-04-2010 3:54pm

anymore wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, how did those well known democracies and respectors of Human Rights such as Libya, Zimbabwe, China, Cuba, Afghanistan etc vote on these various resolutions ? After all these fine democracies contribute to what is somewhat laughably called 'International law', do they not ?

I fail to see the relevance again. Another attempt to derail the thread.

So you reject international law, and that puts you in the same camp as Likud etc in this regard. Btw, you can easily look up who voted for resolutions in question, and who voted for them.

anymore wrote: »

Also out of curiosity, are there any members of the Bahai Faith in Palestine ?

Irrelevant, and another attempt to derail the thread.

As per usual, you don't address anything said by others and try and avoid the issue, and try and change the subjec to talk about something else, and you repeatedly state you opposition to International law, and then complain about several other countries who have nothing to do with the topic.

comeraghs · 02-04-2010 4:18pm

Does any comment that isn't bashing Israel derail this topic?

wes · 02-04-2010 11:59pm

comeraghs wrote: »

Does any comment that isn't bashing Israel derail this topic?

Nope, people can support Israel to there hearts content, but I personally don't see how discussing Zimbabwe qualifies exactly. Why not address the points brought up, as opposed to whataboutery and obfuscation? Surely, it can't be so hard if Israel is in the right?

anymore · 03-04-2010 10:51am

wes wrote: »

I fail to see the relevance again. Another attempt to derail the thread.

So you reject international law, and that puts you in the same camp as Likud etc in this regard. Btw, you can easily look up who voted for resolutions in question, and who voted for them.

Irrelevant, and another attempt to derail the thread.

As per usual, you don't address anything said by others and try and avoid the issue, and try and change the subjec to talk about something else, and you repeatedly state you opposition to International law, and then complain about several other countries who have nothing to do with the topic.

Its very simple, if it invloves the mad men of Libya and Zimbabwe, etc then it hardly merits a great deal of respect.
It is a pity that Israel's neoghbours didnt respect Israel's international borders, isnt it ? Which is why israel is in East Jerusalem and where it should stay whilst Islamic militants, i.e terrorists, are controlling the destiny of palestine.

Nodin · 03-04-2010 3:05pm

anymore wrote: »

Its very simple, if it invloves the mad men of Libya and Zimbabwe, etc then it hardly merits a great deal of respect.
It is a pity that Israel's neoghbours didnt respect Israel's international borders, isnt it ? Which is why israel is in East Jerusalem and where it should stay whilst Islamic militants, i.e terrorists, are controlling the destiny of palestine.

....but oddly enough it was there before most of those groups were formed....it was there for well over a decade before the first suicide bombing....

wes · 03-04-2010 8:47pm

anymore wrote: »

Its very simple, if it invloves the mad men of Libya and Zimbabwe, etc then it hardly merits a great deal of respect.

It also involves much of the rest of the world, and only opposed by Israel, the US, and some Pacific Islands. You pick and choose a couple of dodgy regimes, and happily ignore the rest of the planet, as other respectable countries also voted on those resolutions.

anymore wrote: »

It is a pity that Israel's neoghbours didnt respect Israel's international borders, isnt it ? Which is why israel is in East Jerusalem and where it should stay whilst Islamic militants, i.e terrorists, are controlling the destiny of palestine.

Its pretty funny that in the same sentence you complain about other countries not respecting Israels borders, and then make an excuse for Israel not respecting anyone else borders, and then blame it all on Islamic militants. Of course, Hamas only came into prominence in the last decade or so, and didn't exist until the 80s if I remember correctly, and as such Israel was occupying and buidling colonies, long before they even existed, which is an ideological thing that they are doing, the old Zionist nonsense about a greater Israel, which you once again happily ignore.

You see it doesn't matter what the Palestinians do, Zionism is about the greater Israel, and has been for a long time. As we have seen Fatah have worked with Israel, and are even stopping terrorists attacking Israel, and all we see is Israel continuing there siege of Gaza, stealing more land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. So your point of Palestine destiny being controlled by Islamic militants is laughable. They don't matter in regard to Israel stealing land, the Zionists would still be stealing the land, its sort of there thing, and they have been at it for decaders, before Hamas even showed up.

T "real deal" J · 08-04-2010 5:23pm

You people need to start understanding the situation more. Apartheid? So muslims aren't allowed get on buses in Jerusalem, not allowed go to the beach? stop ****ing on.

In 1967 Israel went to war with Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and defeated them all. The Arab nations wanted to "drive the jews into the red sea - Nasser". Being victorious the Israelis assimilated the westbank, sinai and golan heights. How is this an "illegal occupation"? When the germans lost WW2 they lost tons of original territories and there were millions of german refugees. That's what happens when you go to war and lose. Personally I think the Israelis shouldn't have bothered giving the Egyptians back the Sinai peninsula.

As regards the contruction of the wall and restrictions to palestinians lives, yes this is awful. The ordinary palestinian Joe Soap doesn't need this ****e, they don't need gunships coming in to smash the place up. It's the muslim jihad extremists who are irrationally bombing Israel with rockets and suicides that are causing this. Obviously this just hardens the Israeli hard line leadership and causes more destruction. Please note that Israeli governance is tough and hard line, but most Israeli people are more moderate and just want peace. The infada and jihad actions keep a more hard line govt in power.

Israel doesn't care what western europeans and especially what the irish think. Why should they? Europe has been anti-jewish for millenia, why would they start trusting us now? Ireland is an insignificant catholic country traditionally anti-semetic, and Irish media will continue to report on "Israeli atrocities". The whole passport fiasco emphasises this; the mossad surgically assassinated a terrorist murderer in order to avoid having to send gunships into Gaza (risk of collateral damage). These actions help to avoid what happened in your posted video.

The Saint · 08-04-2010 5:36pm

T real deal J wrote: »

You people need to start understanding the situation more. Apartheid? So muslims aren't allowed get on buses in Jerusalem, not allowed go to the beach? stop ****ing on.

In 1967 Israel went to war with Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and defeated them all. The Arab nations wanted to "drive the jews into the red sea - Nasser". Being victorious the Israelis assimilated the westbank, sinai and golan heights. How is this an "illegal occupation"? When the germans lost WW2 they lost tons of original territories and there were millions of german refugees. That's what happens when you go to war and lose. Personally I think the Israelis shouldn't have bothered giving the Egyptians back the Sinai peninsula.

As regards the contruction of the wall and restrictions to palestinians lives, yes this is awful. The ordinary palestinian Joe Soap doesn't need this ****e, they don't need gunships coming in to smash the place up. It's the muslim jihad extremists who are irrationally bombing Israel with rockets and suicides that are causing this. Obviously this just hardens the Israeli hard line leadership and causes more destruction. Please note that Israeli governance is tough and hard line, but most Israeli people are more moderate and just want peace. The infada and jihad actions keep a more hard line govt in power.

Israel doesn't care what western europeans and especially what the irish think. Why should they? Europe has been anti-jewish for millenia, why would they start trusting us now? Ireland is an insignificant catholic country traditionally anti-semetic, and Irish media will continue to report on "Israeli atrocities". The whole passport fiasco emphasises this; the mossad surgically assassinated a terrorist murderer in order to avoid having to send gunships into Gaza (risk of collateral damage). These actions help to avoid what happened in your posted video.

There's just so much wrong with the post that I don't think I'm even going to bother.

Nodin · 08-04-2010 5:36pm

T real deal J wrote: »

You people (....) posted video.

So a fair summary would be "They treat the muslims ok, its the Palestinians fault, and you all just hate Jews anyway".?

Nodin · 08-04-2010 5:40pm

This, by the way is symptomatic of the Apartheid people refer to, not just 'going to the beach'

On December 26th, the State responded to the High Court of Justice in reaction to a petition filed by the residents of the Palestinian village of Ein Yabrud on whose lands a sewage purification facility was built illegally. In violation of international law, and contradicting the Bar-Ilan speech made by Netanyahu in June in which the Prime Minister pledged that "no lands will be seized to expand existing settlements," the State Attorney's Office notified the High Court of Justice last week that it is examining a possible seizure of private Palestinian lands on which a sewage purification facility was built illegally for the settlement of Ofra.

http://www.yesh-din.org/site/index.php?page=index&lang=en&id=

dlofnep · 08-04-2010 5:44pm

T real deal J wrote: »

In 1967 Israel went to war with Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and defeated them all. The Arab nations wanted to "drive the jews into the red sea - Nasser". Being victorious the Israelis assimilated the westbank, sinai and golan heights. How is this an "illegal occupation"? When the germans lost WW2 they lost tons of original territories and there were millions of german refugees. That's what happens when you go to war and lose. Personally I think the Israelis shouldn't have bothered giving the Egyptians back the Sinai peninsula.

Absolute nonsense.

It is an illegal occupation because the UN, and in general the international community says it's illegal.

T real deal J wrote: »

It's the muslim jihad extremists who are irrationally bombing Israel with rockets and suicides that are causing this.

I would say they are pretty rational. They are attempting to remove an illegal occupier, oppressor, and state that has murdered 1000's of it's civilians.

Why exactly are those who attack Israel are 'irrational' - But Israel is "rational" it it's attacks. The death count doesn't lie. Israel has caused the deaths of a needless amount of innocent women and children. Far more than any militants in Palestine.

T real deal J wrote: »

Obviously this just hardens the Israeli hard line leadership and causes more destruction. Please note that Israeli governance is tough and hard line,

Hard-line? Understatement of the year.

T real deal J wrote: »

but most Israeli people are more moderate and just want peace.

What rational minded civilians wouldn't want peace? Of course the Israelis want peace. But many of them are happy to thwart the Palestinians by occupying illegal settlements, and provoking Palestinians with attacks.

T real deal J wrote: »

Israel doesn't care what western europeans and especially what the irish think. Why should they?

Nobody can put their head under the sand. Every country should be held accountable for their actions and be willing to listen to the voices of the international community.

T real deal J wrote: »

Europe has been anti-jewish for millenia, why would they start trusting us now?

Bollocks. Europe has been anti-everything in the past. Modern day Europe is no more anti-Jewish than anywhere else in the world.

T real deal J wrote: »

Ireland is an insignificant catholic country traditionally anti-semetic, and Irish media will continue to report on "Israeli atrocities".

Anti-semitic my hole. They report on the Israeli atrocities because they deserve to be reported on, and Israel's actions merit the condemnation it receives.

T real deal J wrote: »

The whole passport fiasco emphasises this; the mossad surgically assassinated a terrorist murderer in order to avoid having to send gunships into Gaza (risk of collateral damage).

And did so at the expense of European citizens. Interesting that you choose to only use the word "terrorist" when it comes to Palestinians. Israel is unquestionably as guilty for committing acts of terrorism.

wes · 08-04-2010 5:45pm

T real deal J wrote: »

You people need to start understanding the situation more. Apartheid? So muslims aren't allowed get on buses in Jerusalem, not allowed go to the beach? stop ****ing on.

The Israeli only roads in the West Bank tell a different story:

200 Israelis, Palestinians protest new Israeli-only W. Bank road

Sadly, those roads do exists, so Apartheid is most certianly fact.

T real deal J wrote: »

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In 1967 Israel went to war with Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and defeated them all. The Arab nations wanted to "drive the jews into the red sea - Nasser". Being victorious the Israelis assimilated the westbank, sinai and golan heights. How is this an "illegal occupation"? When the germans lost WW2 they lost tons of original territories and there were millions of german refugees. That's what happens when you go to war and lose. Personally I think the Israelis shouldn't have bothered giving the Egyptians back the Sinai peninsula.

Yes, it is illegal, and you version of history is very one sided, and incorrect narrative, but regardless of you version of history. The aquisition of territory by war is illegal under International law, and East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza are covered under UN security council resolution 242:

UN Resolution 242

So to put it simply, you factually incorrect to claim Israel occupation of Palestine is not illegal.

T real deal J wrote: »

As regards the contruction of the wall and restrictions to palestinians lives, yes this is awful. The ordinary palestinian Joe Soap doesn't need this ****e, they don't need gunships coming in to smash the place up. It's the muslim jihad extremists who are irrationally bombing Israel with rockets and suicides that are causing this. Obviously this just hardens the Israeli hard line leadership and causes more destruction. Please note that Israeli governance is tough and hard line, but most Israeli people are more moderate and just want peace. The infada and jihad actions keep a more hard line govt in power.

Well, you see before a single suicide bombing or intifada even happened. Israel was stealing land that didn't belong to them, and treating the Palestinian like sub-humans. The wall is just another land grab. If it was about security it would be built in Israel, but its about land theft as per the Zionist ideology central to Israel, based on some stuff written in the Bible or simple crazed ultra nationalism.

T real deal J wrote: »

Israel doesn't care what western europeans and especially what the irish think. Why should they? Europe has been anti-jewish for millenia, why would they start trusting us now? Ireland is an insignificant catholic country traditionally anti-semetic, and Irish media will continue to report on "Israeli atrocities". The whole passport fiasco emphasises this; the mossad surgically assassinated a terrorist murderer in order to avoid having to send gunships into Gaza (risk of collateral damage). These actions help to avoid what happened in your posted video.

Well, Israel should care what Europe thinks, as we have a lot trade with them. If they want to use our passports, and murder people, then they have to suffer the consequence of there actions. I could care less what lame and pathetic excuses there government comes up with, they had no right to use our passports or anyone else. No need to drag the rest of us into there war to steal land that doesn't belong to them.

You claim the person they killed was a terrorist murderer, and yet there was no trial to prove this. I take it Israel get to kill anyone they want without a trial, not unlike the evil terrorists they bang on about.

Also, Israel regularly targets civilians, so what they did in Gaza was not "collateral damage", but rather purposeful targets, as per the Goldstone report, which was endorsed by the EU. Then, there is the criminal collective punishment of 1.5 million people in Gaza, which is completely indiscriminate, in much the same way as Hamas is indiscriminate in its attack against Israel civilians, which show's Israel is no position to claim any kind of moral superirity, considering there own murderous state terrorism.

FlutterinBantam · 08-04-2010 5:57pm

T real deal J wrote: »

You people need to start understanding the situation more. Apartheid? So muslims aren't allowed get on buses in Jerusalem, not allowed go to the beach? stop ****ing on.

In 1967 Israel went to war with Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and defeated them all. The Arab nations wanted to "drive the jews into the red sea - Nasser". Being victorious the Israelis assimilated the westbank, sinai and golan heights. How is this an "illegal occupation"? When the germans lost WW2 they lost tons of original territories and there were millions of german refugees. That's what happens when you go to war and lose. Personally I think the Israelis shouldn't have bothered giving the Egyptians back the Sinai peninsula.

As regards the contruction of the wall and restrictions to palestinians lives, yes this is awful. The ordinary palestinian Joe Soap doesn't need this ****e, they don't need gunships coming in to smash the place up. It's the muslim jihad extremists who are irrationally bombing Israel with rockets and suicides that are causing this. Obviously this just hardens the Israeli hard line leadership and causes more destruction. Please note that Israeli governance is tough and hard line, but most Israeli people are more moderate and just want peace. The infada and jihad actions keep a more hard line govt in power.

Israel doesn't care what western europeans and especially what the irish think. Why should they? Europe has been anti-jewish for millenia, why would they start trusting us now? Ireland is an insignificant catholic country traditionally anti-semetic, and Irish media will continue to report on "Israeli atrocities". The whole passport fiasco emphasises this; the mossad surgically assassinated a terrorist murderer in order to avoid having to send gunships into Gaza (risk of collateral damage). These actions help to avoid what happened in your posted video.

Well said TJ I agree totally.

The idealistic dreamers amongst us ,in fairness,are brainwashed to support the so called 'underdog' but in reality they unwittingly are pawns in the terrorist web of subterfuge, and will eventually see the real truth of modern political exchange.

Oh dear:cool:

dlofnep · 08-04-2010 6:06pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

The idealistic dreamers amongst us ,in fairness,are brainwashed to support the so called 'underdog' but in reality they unwittingly are pawns in the terrorist web of subterfuge, and will eventually see the real truth of modern political exchange.

Oh dear:cool:

Do you have the capacity to write anything other than this bollocks? I mean - Is it possible that we might ask you to actually engage in the discussion rather than write defective poetry?

The Saint · 08-04-2010 6:32pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Well said TJ I agree totally.....

Another stellar post from FB. Well done sir. :rolleyes:

FlutterinBantam · 08-04-2010 7:22pm

The Saint wrote: »

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Well said TJ I agree totally.....

Another stellar post from FB. Well done sir. :rolleyes:

The truth is always the winner lads.

Left wing rhetoric has it's place, but when all is said and done, reality will out.

Single issue punters always let themselves down by wrong headed dreamers ignoring the macro view and driving a single issue agenda ad nauseum.

Balanced posters like myself can see through this tactic, but unfortunately, the impetuous and hot blooded element amongst us latch onto the idealistic bulldust and are influenced by the quasi authoritative aspect of their posts and fail to see the vested interest behind them.

The Saint · 08-04-2010 7:48pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

The Saint wrote: »

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Well said TJ I agree totally.....

The truth is always the winner lads.

Left wing rhetoric has it's place, but when all is said and done, reality will out.

Single issue punters always let themselves down by wrong headed dreamers ignoring the macro view and driving a single issue agenda ad nauseum.

Balanced posters like myself can see through this tactic, but unfortunately, the impetuous and hot blooded element amongst us latch onto the idealistic bulldust and are influenced by the quasi authoritative aspect of their posts and fail to see the vested interest behind them.

I think I can safely say that you haven't a bulls notion of what is going on there and you most likely come onto these threads to troll and to try to get a rise. You have shown no ability to even make an arguement, instead deciding to come out with this innane rubbish that you seem to delight in posting. I'd imagine if you spent just one day seeing some of the stuff that goes on there, you'd change your tune fairly quickly.

FlutterinBantam · 08-04-2010 8:01pm

The Saint wrote: »

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

The Saint wrote: »

I think I can safely say that you haven't a bulls notion of what is going on there and you most likely come onto these threads to troll and to try to get a rise. You have shown no ability to even make an arguement, instead deciding to come out with this innane rubbish that you seem to delight in posting. I'd imagine if you spent just one day seeing some of the stuff that goes on there, you'd change your tune fairly quickly.

Buddy ..word in your earhole.

I have a different view than you have.

Don't think that you're ,and your fellow traveler's view, of what is happening in that area, is the definitive status of what is happening there.

People like you love to spout rhetoric and idealism ad nauseum, but people like me will always be there to challenge your views and rebut your single issue platform.

learn to live with that, and accept that there are contrary views in all aspects of life and politics.;)

Nodin · 08-04-2010 8:06pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

....(....).....

You don't challenge anything. You don't refute anything thats posted. You avoid details like the plague.

As for rhetoric, bluster and hot air , see your last three posts.

dlofnep · 08-04-2010 8:08pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

People like you love to spout rhetoric and idealism ad nauseum, but people like me will always be there to challenge your views and rebut your single issue platform.

You haven't refuted one single point made in this thread.

The Saint · 08-04-2010 8:20pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Buddy ..word in your earhole.

I have a different view than you have.

Don't think that you're ,and your fellow traveler's view, of what is happening in that area, is the definitive status of what is happening there.

People like you love to spout rhetoric and idealism ad nauseum, but people like me will always be there to challenge your views and rebut your single issue platform.

learn to live with that, and accept that there are contrary views in all aspects of life and politics.;)

There is a big difference. You don't back up your arguements or your different world view. You add nothing to the debate. At least I have the good courtesy to put some thought and knowledge into my posts. I couldn't give a fiddlers if you think it's "rhotoric" or "idealism", However, hearing you state that I spout rhetoric is quite amusing tbh. Anyway, I think that I have quite a good idea of what is happening in the area. A hell of a lot better than you I'd wager.

FlutterinBantam · 08-04-2010 8:59pm

The Saint wrote: »

There is a big difference. You don't back up your arguements or your different world view. You add nothing to the debate. At least I have the good courtesy to put some thought and knowledge into my posts. I couldn't give a fiddlers if you think it's "rhotoric" or "idealism", However, hearing you state that I spout rhetoric is quite amusing tbh. Anyway, I think that I have quite a good idea of what is happening in the area. A hell of a lot better than you I'd wager.

Excuse me for having a laugh .:D

You people just expurgate anti Israeli/US propaganda and expect other posters to lie down and accept it!

Buddy, another word in your earhole, you are talking to wrong lad here.

What do you want, dog chasing it's tail with refutement after refutement followed by links and accounts?:D

I know where you guys are coming from and ,fair enough, if you want to promulgate the numerous fly-blown causes that permeate the world's countries and latch onto the most sexy issues that gain the media's attention ,fair enough.

Don't expect me to swallow that sour bitter auld pill lads;)

dlofnep · 08-04-2010 9:06pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

You people just expurgate anti Israeli/US propaganda and expect other posters to lie down and accept it!

Firstly, it's not propaganda. The actions of Israel (US discussion can be kept for another thread) have been very well documented.

And if you're not going to lie down and accept criticism of your beloved Israel - then why don't you defend them? Why don't you counter any of the points offered? The truth is, because you can't. You've gone down the route of O'Reilly by attacking the character of those posting, rather than the merits of their argument. That is not offering a rebuttal, that is just you intentionally trying to take the thread off topic. You've offered not an iota of a debate, other than ad hominem attacks.

Every single time you've been asked to comment on anything, you've run and avoided debate. You post complete and utter nonsense, and when you are called out for your deliberate lies - you avoid posting in the thread for a few pages - only to come back and remind us your version of reality.

Either engage in the debate, or don't. :rolleyes: And stop reciting the same old bollocks that we've been accustomed to hearing from you.

The Saint · 08-04-2010 9:22pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Excuse me for having a laugh .:D

You people just expurgate anti Israeli/US propaganda and expect other posters to lie down and accept it!

Buddy, another word in your earhole, you are talking to wrong lad here.

What do you want, dog chasing it's tail with refutement after refutement followed by links and accounts?:D

I know where you guys are coming from and ,fair enough, if you want to promulgate the numerous fly-blown causes that permeate the world's countries and latch onto the most sexy issues that gain the media's attention ,fair enough.

Don't expect me to swallow that sour bitter auld pill lads;)

I back up everything I write from credible sources. That's the way it works. You write nothing of any worth. And please don't assume where I am "coming from". You know nothing about me or my motivations.

GuanYin · 08-04-2010 10:31pm

Mod note:

Can we please use our sig's or blogs if we want to write about ourselves. This thread has a topic, I expect people to stay on it.

dlofnep wrote: »

Either engage in the debate, or don't. :rolleyes: And stop reciting the same old bollocks that we've been accustomed to hearing from you.

and YOU can use the report post in future if you have a problem. DO NOT attack posters on thread.

joesoap007 · 09-04-2010 4:44am

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Finklestein on Al Jazeera, are you kidding? try something less phenomenally biased next time.

biased ?but what other story is there to tell??

They stole my land, burnt my olive trees, destroyed my house, took my water, imprisoned my father, killed my mother, starved us all, humiliated us all. But I am to blame : I shot a rocket back. So they stole more of my land, burnt my olive trees, destroyed my house, took my water, bombed my country

joesoap007 · 09-04-2010 5:08am

T real deal J wrote: »

You people need to start understanding the situation more. Apartheid? So muslims aren't allowed get on buses in Jerusalem, not allowed go to the beach? stop ****ing on.

In 1967 Israel went to war with Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and defeated them all. The Arab nations wanted to "drive the jews into the red sea - Nasser". Being victorious the Israelis assimilated the westbank, sinai and golan heights. How is this an "illegal occupation"? When the germans lost WW2 they lost tons of original territories and there were millions of german refugees. That's what happens when you go to war and lose. Personally I think the Israelis shouldn't have bothered giving the Egyptians back the Sinai peninsula.

As regards the contruction of the wall and restrictions to palestinians lives, yes this is awful. The ordinary palestinian Joe Soap doesn't need this ****e, they don't need gunships coming in to smash the place up. It's the muslim jihad extremists who are irrationally bombing Israel with rockets and suicides that are causing this. Obviously this just hardens the Israeli hard line leadership and causes more destruction. Please note that Israeli governance is tough and hard line, but most Israeli people are more moderate and just want peace. The infada and jihad actions keep a more hard line govt in power.

Israel doesn't care what western europeans and especially what the irish think. Why should they? Europe has been anti-jewish for millenia, why would they start trusting us now? Ireland is an insignificant catholic country traditionally anti-semetic, and Irish media will continue to report on "Israeli atrocities". The whole passport fiasco emphasises this; the mossad surgically assassinated a terrorist murderer in order to avoid having to send gunships into Gaza (risk of collateral damage). These actions help to avoid what happened in your posted video.

That's what happens when you go to war and lose.

didn the U.S get beat in the viet nam war .korean war oh and they will never win in afghanistan thers about 4 more wars they lost to.but never lost land for losing

anymore · 09-04-2010 10:19am

wes wrote: »

Nope, people can support Israel to there hearts content, but I personally don't see how discussing Zimbabwe qualifies exactly. Why not address the points brought up, as opposed to whataboutery and obfuscation? Surely, it can't be so hard if Israel is in the right?

As you well know International relations are seldom black and white, particularily in this most vexed areas of all. One never quite knows who is ones friend or ones enemy. Curiousily, the only palestinian I have personally known claimed refugee status in Irelnad not because of israel, but because of the inter palestinian conflict. So who is your enemy and who is your friend if you are a palestinian. And which apartheid system do you fear most ? Is it the Israeli one or the one imposed by either fatah or Hamas or one of the convenient satellite militant gangs used by hamas ?
And where exactly is the respect for international law betwen the various groups within Palestine itself - is it suspened until one group is victorious and when it will then virtuosly proclaim the primacy of International law - at least n so far as it is convenient for attacking Israel ? " All hail International Law !

Israeli apartheid

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