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General Election 2016

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Jim2007 wrote: »
    Well you don't need to be an economist to figure this one out! It is painfully obvious that if you earn half as much as your friend and you both buy the same vat able item, you'll have spent a larger portion of you income on paying down the vat on it - where is the wonder in that?

    This is exactly how vat is expected to work and why essentials carry little or no vat. You decide to pay the tax by choosing discretionary items. Now you may make a case for some discretionary items being essential, but that is a different argument.


    It could also be argued that if social welfare recipients are paying significant amounts of tax in the form of VAT that either

    (1) not enough essential goods are zero-rated,
    (2) social welfare rates are too high as they allow purchases of luxury goods,
    (3) combination of the above.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Godge wrote: »
    It could also be argued that if social welfare recipients are paying significant amounts of tax in the form of VAT that either

    (1) not enough essential goods are zero-rated,
    (2) social welfare rates are too high as they allow purchases of luxury goods,
    (3) combination of the above.

    Yes it all makes me feel they started with the conclusion and worked backwards :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭eire4


    The latest poll numbers:


    image.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭Keepan Eye


    Still it will be interesting to see how the 700,000 NO votes in the last Gay referendum will translate in the next General Election. All TD's were in favout of YES .......no one has emerged to represent the 700,000 NO Orphan Voters. The one sided media refuse to acknowledge the existence of this group. [ no surprise there ]. BUT WHO WANTS THOSE 700,000 VOTES ......FF OR FG or a coalition of both. .....incidently , who's organising the going away party for TD Finian McGrath and that girl Avril .


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Keepan Eye wrote: »
    ...no one has emerged to represent the 700,000 NO Orphan Voters. The one sided media refuse to acknowledge the existence of this group.

    Seriously?

    Seriously?!

    You're claiming that the media pretended that nobody voted against the referendum?

    What have you possibly got to gain by posting something that's completely, objectively, incontrovertibly false?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    eire4 wrote: »
    The latest poll numbers:


    image.jpg

    Why are Fianna Fail down so much? Obviously cos they are not leading the opposition but the government seems to tbe the most unpopular one ever


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Grudaire


    Why are Fianna Fail down so much? Obviously cos they are not leading the opposition but the government seems to tbe the most unpopular one ever

    Fianna Fail are struggling to evolve past the old guard. Names like Haughey, Hannigan etc keep cropping up.

    In addition FF seem to be too busy infighting during the selection process to appear competent (Chambers vs McGuinness, Lennihan not being nominated, Male candidates vs the Gender quotas)


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,968 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Keepan Eye wrote: »
    Still it will be interesting to see how the 700,000 NO votes in the last Gay referendum will translate in the next General Election. All TD's were in favout of YES .......no one has emerged to represent the 700,000 NO Orphan Voters. The one sided media refuse to acknowledge the existence of this group. [ no surprise there ]. BUT WHO WANTS THOSE 700,000 VOTES ......FF OR FG or a coalition of both. .....incidently , who's organising the going away party for TD Finian McGrath and that girl Avril .

    Don't worry, there's always Identity Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Why are Fianna Fail down so much? Obviously cos they are not leading the opposition but the government seems to tbe the most unpopular one ever

    Because they're autricuous both in opposition and govt- people do have short memories, but not THAT short. It's not yet a mere 5 years since that shower had to sell us out to the IMF, so memories still fresh and as the elevtion beckons people are becoming more focused on who they will actually vote for...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭lanos


    eire4 wrote: »
    The latest poll numbers:


    image.jpg
    Why are Fianna Fail down so much? Obviously cos they are not leading the opposition but the government seems to tbe the most unpopular one ever

    you are commenting on an infographic that was posted in March


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭323


    Grudaire wrote: »
    Fianna Fail are struggling to evolve past the old guard. Names like Haughey, Hannigan etc keep cropping up.

    No surprise there, seeing as they still have a leader who was one of Haughey’s protege's.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭Keepan Eye


    What will happen to Labour, Anti Auterity and the Independent Communist TD's etc......lets face it. They are made up of TD's all from wealthy backgrounds. Playing at Politics but if they fail have cushey jobs to fall back on. No credibility as they are seen as being born with silver spoons in their mouths.They didnt do anything for the Lower sections during their reign. They attacked people on S.W. Water charged us to bits. The Lower socio economic groups don't vote and if they did wouldnt vote for this 'Labour' sector. SOME middle class types who are just maverick will vote for them but sure thats madness as the Labour types want to tax them harshly . So the Voting class is middle and upper class.[ and pensioners- a lot of them ]. Sinn Féin have lost credibility too. They stand with labour and AAA and are fast becoming outdated in the six counties. They broke the bond with the Old Irish Republican ideal as they now are seen to subscribe to the so called 'Liberal as long as you agree with me" LABOUR" type policies. FG may lose out as the Liberal Wing seems to rule the roost and the conservative voter and farmer who was their main supporter has become dis affected with FG Liberal policy. So FF may not be out of the running in making inroads, if as a previous writer said they can 'put Order on the trouble makers'. So its anybodys guess but FF AND FG may be the next gov. God spare us from the head bangers in all parties I suppose is all I can say. I'm part Brit so may try for citizenship there ......no smart remarks please.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    I think Enda may have underestimated Paddy

    There is a lot of people out there waiting to vote them out.
    Only problem is, where is the alternative?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    There is a lot of people out there waiting to vote them out.
    Only problem is, where is the alternative?

    Oh I agree, We are long overdue a change. The only complete alternative would be back to Fianna Fail and a mixture of independents. I cant see IBEC and the banks being pleased with Sinn Fein, being in government as wither the junior or senior partner. Which is kind of what we were trying to get away from. So out of the frying pan into the fire and down unto the lazer grid.

    Who ever will come in will be unsatisfactory and it will be the 1980's all over again with short term governments for a few years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭Keepan Eye


    Conservatives who voted NO in the 34th gay rights amendment tend to be the people who always Vote as they feel its their moral duty. So with 700,000 NO VOTERS left out in the cold by almost all Politicians, if I were running I'd be -a] Hoping the Irish Independent or Irish Times or RTE wouldnt be dredging it up and b] hoping the 700,000 definite conservative NO voters will forget their betrays by the Political classes of all shades. There are a lot of conservative votes going ' a beggin'...........................


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Keepan Eye wrote: »
    Conservatives who voted NO in the 34th gay rights amendment tend to be the people who always Vote as they feel its their moral duty. So with 700,000 NO VOTERS left out in the cold by almost all Politicians, if I were running I'd be -a] Hoping the Irish Independent or Irish Times or RTE wouldnt be dredging it up and b] hoping the 700,000 definite conservative NO voters will forget their betrays by the Political classes of all shades. There are a lot of conservative votes going ' a beggin'...........................

    the no votes were counted they just didn't outnumber the yes votes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Keepan Eye wrote: »
    Conservatives who voted NO in the 34th gay rights amendment tend to be the people who always Vote as they feel its their moral duty. So with 700,000 NO VOTERS left out in the cold by almost all Politicians, if I were running I'd be -a] Hoping the Irish Independent or Irish Times or RTE wouldnt be dredging it up and b] hoping the 700,000 definite conservative NO voters will forget their betrays by the Political classes of all shades. There are a lot of conservative votes going ' a beggin'...........................

    These people will still vote.

    But, assuming that the 700k 'no' voters are not some homogeneous hive mind.... they will I'm sure vote on issues relative to the general election.

    Most adults are capable of holding multiple opinions & don't live/die based on what the icky gays get up to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Most adults are capable of holding multiple opinions & don't live/die based on what the icky gays get up to.

    What's the Pre-Vatican II Catholic Lunacy party called these days?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    What's the Pre-Vatican II Catholic Lunacy party called these days?

    Renua


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭eire4


    Renua



    Haha you beat me to it there.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Have they released yet what date the general election will be on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭eire4


    fin12 wrote: »
    Have they released yet what date the general election will be on?



    No date released yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    eire4 wrote: »
    No date released yet.

    ok thanks:):)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    fin12 wrote: »
    Have they released yet what date the general election will be on?

    heard several, immediately after the budget, after marriage equality ...... You dont want a winter or spring election (bad weather and empty bellies) so I am guessing after the 1916 commerations.

    22 of April as soon as the weather picks up. would be my guess. Try to keep the college kids from voting and an older more conservative vote to keep Sinn Fein out.

    *(These are my thoughts not party preferance I believe what ever party gets in will do what ever Dennis O Brien/banks/petroleum tells them to do)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    heard several, immediately after the budget, after marriage equality ...... You dont want a winter or spring election (bad weather and empty bellies) so I am guessing after the 1916 commerations.

    22 of April as soon as the weather picks up. would be my guess. Try to keep the college kids from voting and an older more conservative vote to keep Sinn Fein out.

    *(These are my thoughts not party preferance I believe what ever party gets in will do what ever Dennis O Brien/banks/petroleum tells them to do)

    I heard someone saying that they thought the government might want to have it before the 1916 commemorations because if the leave it after or around that time there might be a big increase in people voting for Sinn Fein, does anyone think that will happen?

    Does anyone think that there will be an increase in votes of Sinn Fein because of the 1916 commemorations?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    fin12 wrote: »
    I heard someone saying that they thought the government might want to have it before the 1916 commemorations because if the leave it after or around that time there might be a big increase in people voting for Sinn Fein, does anyone think that will happen?

    Does anyone think that there will be an increase in votes of Sinn Fein because of the 1916 commemorations?

    I would never call an election in that weather. Cold windy and wet between Patricks weekend and Easter? not a chance. It actually does affect voters perspective.

    Might give Sinn Fein an edge but that will be dampened by another scandal that is garunteed to appear. Plus Sinn Fein have to address their own leadership issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    I would never call an election in that weather. Cold windy and wet between Patricks weekend and Easter? not a chance. It actually does affect voters perspective.

    Might give Sinn Fein an edge but that will be dampened by another scandal that is garunteed to appear. Plus Sinn Fein have to address their own leadership issues.

    Would the weather really effect people not voting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    It actually says on Wikipedia that the next Irish general election must take place no later than the 8th April 2016.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    fin12 wrote: »
    It actually says on Wikipedia that the next Irish general election must take place no later than the 8th April 2016.

    That is why the Government should have called it before Christmas. Because from January to Easter it is all down hill. Last two weeks of January, Biting March, fodder shortage, bit of flooding. (I know I am a barrel of laughs). When you have a full belly, the price of a pint, crop set, exams passed and plenty of over time..... you have a completely differnt out look on life. At the previous general Election however Moses couldnt hold back the deluge that was about to come to the previous sitting government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Do they usually hold the general elections on a Friday? because any time Iv'e voted it always seems to be on a Friday?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,412 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    fin12 wrote: »
    Do they usually hold the general elections on a Friday? because any time Iv'e voted it always seems to be on a Friday?

    No the days vary, but its often later in the week I.e. Thursday or Friday.

    In my life time there has never been a Saturday GE even though a Saturday is the date based on the report in the OP of this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    No the days vary, but its often later in the week I.e. Thursday or Friday.

    In my life time there has never been a Saturday GE even though a Saturday is the date based on the report in the OP of this thread.
    Teachers' unions wouldn't like that. No day off?

    Seriously though, didn't they do Saturday voting for one of the Referendums and found that turnout was just as bad, if not worse? Or maybe I'm thinking of something else.

    In any case, one issue with Saturday votes is that some people and interest groups will have a bit of a whinge about the count being held on a Sunday. Holy Joes and the like complaining that the poor counters won't be able to participate in the zombie flesh-eating ritual.
    Also, you'd have to pay those in the count centres double time for Sunday working.

    Or you could not count on Sunday at all, which means a day's delay in getting the count, and also a day where boxes are sitting unopened, leaving a greater potential for fraud.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Many (most?) countries have a voting day - elections are always held on the same day of the week, whether by tradition or by statute. We should do something similar, if only to avoid the endless bickering about how whatever day it is held is the wrong one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    seamus wrote: »
    Teachers' unions wouldn't like that. No day off?

    Seriously though, didn't they do Saturday voting for one of the Referendums and found that turnout was just as bad, if not worse? Or maybe I'm thinking of something else.

    In any case, one issue with Saturday votes is that some people and interest groups will have a bit of a whinge about the count being held on a Sunday. Holy Joes and the like complaining that the poor counters won't be able to participate in the zombie flesh-eating ritual.
    Also, you'd have to pay those in the count centres double time for Sunday working.

    Or you could not count on Sunday at all, which means a day's delay in getting the count, and also a day where boxes are sitting unopened, leaving a greater potential for fraud.

    Id love to get a job in one of those counting centres, is it just the returning officer that employs staff in the counting centre as well?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    seamus wrote: »
    Teachers' unions wouldn't like that. No day off?

    Seriously though, didn't they do Saturday voting for one of the Referendums and found that turnout was just as bad, if not worse? Or maybe I'm thinking of something else.

    Or you could not count on Sunday at all, which means a day's delay in getting the count, and also a day where boxes are sitting unopened, leaving a greater potential for fraud.

    it was the court of appeal and seanad abolition referendums https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendments_to_the_Constitution_of_Ireland
    so the amount of interest wasn't high


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭eire4


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Many (most?) countries have a voting day - elections are always held on the same day of the week, whether by tradition or by statute. We should do something similar, if only to avoid the endless bickering about how whatever day it is held is the wrong one.



    Would be a good idea and maybe make the day a national holiday as well so as to make it easier for people to vote.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭Keepan Eye


    heard several, immediately after the budget, after marriage equality ...... You dont want a winter or spring election (bad weather and empty bellies) so I am guessing after the 1916 commerations.

    22 of April as soon as the weather picks up. would be my guess. Try to keep the college kids from voting and an older more conservative vote to keep Sinn Fein out.

    *(These are my thoughts not party preferance I believe what ever party gets in will do what ever Dennis O Brien/banks/petroleum tells them to do)

    Too true, not to mention the Irish Independent, Irish Times, Irish Radio and TV Talkin'heads and XFactor facebook generation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭nuac


    Keepan Eye wrote: »
    What will happen to Labour, Anti Auterity and the Independent Communist TD's etc......lets face it. They are made up of TD's all from wealthy backgrounds. Playing at Politics but if they fail have cushey jobs to fall back on. No credibility as they are seen as being born with silver spoons in their mouths.They didnt do anything for the Lower sections during their reign. They attacked people on S.W. Water charged us to bits. The Lower socio economic groups don't vote and if they did wouldnt vote for this 'Labour' sector. SOME middle class types who are just maverick will vote for them but sure thats madness as the Labour types want to tax them harshly . So the Voting class is middle and upper class.[ and pensioners- a lot of them ]. Sinn Féin have lost credibility too. They stand with labour and AAA and are fast becoming outdated in the six counties. They broke the bond with the Old Irish Republican ideal as they now are seen to subscribe to the so called 'Liberal as long as you agree with me" LABOUR" type policies. FG may lose out as the Liberal Wing seems to rule the roost and the conservative voter and farmer who was their main supporter has become dis affected with FG Liberal policy. So FF may not be out of the running in making inroads, if as a previous writer said they can 'put Order on the trouble makers'. So its anybodys guess but FF AND FG may be the next gov. God spare us from the head bangers in all parties I suppose is all I can say. I'm part Brit so may try for citizenship there ......no smart remarks please.

    Could you use paragraphs, pls


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭sozbox


    heard several, immediately after the budget, after marriage equality ...... You dont want a winter or spring election (bad weather and empty bellies) so I am guessing after the 1916 commerations.

    22 of April as soon as the weather picks up. would be my guess. Try to keep the college kids from voting and an older more conservative vote to keep Sinn Fein out.

    *(These are my thoughts not party preferance I believe what ever party gets in will do what ever Dennis O Brien/banks/petroleum tells them to do)



    What?

    The Electoral Act 1992 requires that the Dáil be dissolved within five years after its first meeting following the previous election, which was on 9 March 2011. Section 96 requires that the poll is held, not earlier than the seventeenth day or later than the twenty-fifth day, following the day on which the writs for the election are issued.

    With these restrictions, the Dáil must be dissolved no later than Tuesday 9 March 2016, and the next general election must take place no later than Friday 8 April 2016.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,412 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    sozbox wrote: »
    What?

    The Electoral Act 1992 requires that the Dáil be dissolved within five years after its first meeting following the previous election, which was on 9 March 2011. Section 96 requires that the poll is held, not earlier than the seventeenth day or later than the twenty-fifth day, following the day on which the writs for the election are issued.

    With these restrictions, the Dáil must be dissolved no later than Tuesday 9 March 2016, and the next general election must take place no later than Friday 8 April 2016.

    You have to take ST Patrick's day out of the 25 so its the 9th of April that is the last day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    eire4 wrote: »
    Would be a good idea and maybe make the day a national holiday as well so as to make it easier for people to vote.
    They're less likely to vote if it's a national holiday, in my guess. They'll plan an outing, or go out of town, or generally relax and recreate, and heading off to the local primary school may get in the way of that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭Keepan Eye


    Massive move to the Right across Europe. I suppose we will follow suit. Like, we don't want the rest of the world laughing at us by being out of step with everything every other country does. People would be sayin' "Its an Irish solution to an Irish problem" if we swung to the Left. when they are turning Right--- and if you voted SF you could be accused of being a Hush Puppy Tiocfaidh (pron chuckey). Labour who Orchestrated section 31 forbidding SF to speak on the Donnybrook TV chanel wouldn't play ball with SF lefties.
    Ah this country is priceless for laughs.......and the electorate do what they are told by FACEBOOK and Radio........so much for 3rd level education. Anyhow,,,,,,I hear there is 50cent going on the Pound of Sausages.......I mean you cant put it on the Fags and not tax the Saussies too.........they both cause HEALTH PROBLEMS................TEE HEE HEE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭eire4


    Keepan Eye wrote: »
    Massive move to the Right across Europe. I suppose we will follow suit. Like, we don't want the rest of the world laughing at us by being out of step with everything every other country does. People would be sayin' "Its an Irish solution to an Irish problem" if we swung to the Left. when they are turning Right--- and if you voted SF you could be accused of being a Hush Puppy Tiocfaidh (pron chuckey). Labour who Orchestrated section 31 forbidding SF to speak on the Donnybrook TV chanel wouldn't play ball with SF lefties.
    Ah this country is priceless for laughs.......and the electorate do what they are told by FACEBOOK and Radio........so much for 3rd level education. Anyhow,,,,,,I hear there is 50cent going on the Pound of Sausages.......I mean you cant put it on the Fags and not tax the Saussies too.........they both cause HEALTH PROBLEMS................TEE HEE HEE.




    We already have a right wing party as the majority party in power right now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    seamus wrote: »
    In any case, one issue with Saturday votes is that some people and interest groups will have a bit of a whinge about the count being held on a Sunday. Holy Joes and the like complaining that the poor counters won't be able to participate in the zombie flesh-eating ritual.

    Hmm, seems like that's based more on your own prejudice than facts. Sunday counts definitely aren't unheard of. I'm sure others can chime in here but for instance, Galway West in 2011*
    ...Counting had stalled first on Sunday afternoon when Fine Gael senator Fidelma Healy-Eames sought a full recount, after the tenth count had shown her trailing party colleague Kyne by 56 votes.

    A recount began shortly after 7:15pm on Sunday, but the results of the revised first count were not answered for another 26 hours. Healy-Eames’ appeal proved fruitless, though, with Kyne’s supremacy remaining at 45 votes.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/results-in-after-epic-73-hour-count-in-galway-west-94669-Mar2011/



    *I'm picking that one in particular as I was there, and really did feel for the lads counting having to placate FHE.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭Keepan Eye


    eire4 wrote: »
    We already have a right wing party as the majority party in power right now.

    I take it you mean Labour and Fine Gael. I suppose both are quite Right Wing.
    Labour with its Section 31 muzzle on balanced Media reporting and its trade union supporters who are complicit in this. Fine Gael cover up of acts of war by foreign states against a sovereign nation. Mind you the National Socialists who dominate the media also help this Right Wing situation. Who bank roles these people beside the Union?. Shades of 1930's-1940's reich. If you offer an opinion different from the Herd you are pillioried. The Irish nation. Gone to the dogs. Best way to commemorate 1916 is forget it happened. I doubt the women and men and civilians who gave their lives would now consider their sacrifice worthwhile.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Keepan Eye wrote: »
    I take it you mean Labour and Fine Gael. I suppose both are quite Right Wing.
    Labour with its Section 31 muzzle on balanced Media reporting and its trade union supporters who are complicit in this. Fine Gael cover up of acts of war by foreign states against a sovereign nation. Mind you the National Socialists who dominate the media also help this Right Wing situation. Who bank roles these people beside the Union?. Shades of 1930's-1940's reich. If you offer an opinion different from the Herd you are pillioried. The Irish nation. Gone to the dogs. Best way to commemorate 1916 is forget it happened. I doubt the women and men and civilians who gave their lives would now consider their sacrifice worthwhile.

    Do people really believe this stuff ? As for 1916 you may have a point there but not for the reasons you think , do you think they would have been happy with closing the Vatican embassy , SSM referendum , repealing the 8th ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭Keepan Eye


    marienbad wrote: »
    Do people really believe this stuff ? As for 1916 you may have a point there but not for the reasons you think , do you think they would have been happy with closing the Vatican embassy , SSM referendum , repealing the 8th ?

    Can't argue with the facts. Do you know what Labours Section 31 was?
    Did you speak with Gardai at the time of Dublin/Monaghan bombings.
    Isn't it true Unions give finance to Labour without asking members permission.
    Isn't it the policy of self interested groups to get control of the media .. Check out the Labour party...aka Official Sinn Féin / Workers Party/Official IRA control of RTE 1980'S-1990's..[ and today]...ask former President Mary McAlesse... she was an RTE Broadcaster in those days who fell foul of this scenario. Maybe I only dreamed this and if so Tá Brón Orm. Tá an ceart agat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Keepan Eye wrote: »
    Can't argue with the facts. Do you know what Labours Section 31 was?
    Did you speak with Gardai at the time of Dublin/Monaghan bombings.
    Isn't it true Unions give finance to Labour without asking members permission.
    Isn't it the policy of self interested groups to get control of the media .. Check out the Labour party...aka Official Sinn Féin / Workers Party/Official IRA control of RTE 1980'S-1990's..[ and today]...ask former President Mary McAlesse... she was an RTE Broadcaster in those days who fell foul of this scenario. Maybe I only dreamed this and if so Tá Brón Orm. Tá an ceart agat.

    So what ? what has all that got to do with 1916 ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,746 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Keepan Eye wrote: »
    I take it you mean Labour and Fine Gael. I suppose both are quite Right Wing.

    Given that half the pop are recipients or beneficiaries of weekly welfare payments, I would not call these parties right-wing.

    FG I would describe as maybe "centre-right".

    Lab as "centre-left".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Blue Magic wrote: »
    One thing that is certain is we'll have a hung dail after next year's election. Furthermore, by current look of polls, FF & FG - the only natural looking coalition - will most likely not have the numbers...

    I can see 1 of three governments:

    1) FF/FG/Independents (I.e. likes of Shane Ross, Mattie McGrath, Stephen Donnelly,etc. - Not Mick Wallace!!!);

    2) SF/Labour/ULA + independents (if needed) Couldn't see this last half a term though so least likely;

    3) FF/SF/Independents. Slightly signs from time to time of solidarity in opposition, e.g. with whole Sean Barrett debacle... Would be a huge for SF into future though considering their core electorate so can't see them being inclined to opt for it...

    To me, the next dail won't last full term barring a substantial growth of both FF & FG support in polls...

    * As a footnote, I haven't really considered the Greens or Lucinda's party (whatever they'll be called). Between them they may collect 3/4/5 seats...

    on the subject of polls how do they decide who to call
    i've never been polled do they ring people at home who have landlines
    i only have a work landline and my mobile is ex directory
    i suppose i'm wondering if those who are polled are a skewed goup
    i know a friend of mine did a red sea survey on road safety and dosen't drive
    when i question her on this she said them man had a nice voice and she gave the answers she thought were right


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