Next for Dunne

spongeman · 29-08-2009 1:21pm

Johner wrote: »

not really. if you get a 50-90euro. sure you would spend that on a night out! its fairly good value.

It is. i went for the 90 euros as I wanted to be a bit nearer.

Should be an interesting fight, points perhaps.

Vintagekits · 29-08-2009 2:53pm

spongeman wrote: »

It is. i went for the 90 euros as I wanted to be a bit nearer.

Should be an interesting fight, points perhaps.

Points = Dunne win. KO = Poonsawat win. IMO!

unknown13 · 30-08-2009 12:58am

geurrp the yard wrote: »

Does anyone else not think the prices for this fight are a bit steep.Would love to go but im not paying mad money for it.

I think the prices are very fair. I went to UFC and the ticket was 75 but the 02 is a great venue so you get a good view in the 60 seats

30-08-2009 1:51am

Yeah but in UFC you get to see top fighters,90 euro for Dunne is taking the piss.

It should be 40 at max,the way they market these things you would think you are seeing Hatton Mayweather 2.

Whenwhat you are actually seeing is the fake champion in his division fighting a chump.

colly10 · 30-08-2009 2:00am

itouchmyself wrote: »

Jesus a company trying to make a profit what next!!! :pac:

6.35 is totally taking the piss in fairness

unknown13 · 30-08-2009 2:04am

Trey White Sax, you dont know what your talking about.
Dunne is fighting a Thai that is ranked in the top 5 in the World for the Original World title.
40 max for a tix, I would love to pay that price for a tix since Im a student but prices will not be that low because its a World title fight.

mark renton · 30-08-2009 11:59am

:rolleyes:

touchingyourself - were you on the beer last night??

itouchmyself · 30-08-2009 12:23pm

john47832 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

touchingyourself - were you on the beer last night??

:pac::pac::pac:.... Vodka's bad... :pac::pac::pac:

spongeman · 30-08-2009 2:06pm

Trey White Sax wrote: »

Yeah but in UFC you get to see top fighters,90 euro for Dunne is taking the piss.

It should be 40 at max,the way they market these things you would think you are seeing Hatton Mayweather 2.

Whenwhat you are actually seeing is the fake champion in his division fighting a chump.

This fake champ came back from being destroyed in a round to being knocked down twice in a world title fight to winning the title.

This chump has lost once in nearly 40 fights.

We must be talking about 2 completely different people.

itouchmyself · 30-08-2009 2:18pm

spongeman wrote: »

This fake champ came back from being destroyed in a round to being knocked down twice in a world title fight to winning the title.

This chump has lost once in nearly 40 fights.

We must be talking about 2 completely different people.

40 fights

you's must be alright this thread is about Bernard Dunne....
because he hasnt even had 30 fights!

Says it all really...:rolleyes: if you think he's the best in the world at that weight believe it but its obvious you have not a clue if thats what you think!

p.s. Trey White Sax ufc my arse:D

Vintagekits · 30-08-2009 2:22pm

Trey White Sax wrote: »

Yeah but in UFC you get to see top fighters,90 euro for Dunne is taking the piss.

It should be 40 at max,the way they market these things you would think you are seeing Hatton Mayweather 2.

Whenwhat you are actually seeing is the fake champion in his division fighting a chump.

deluded 12 year old!

"in UFC you get to see top fighters" - eh naw! they are pretty **** actually and get paid **** all - but lets not turn this into a UFC v Boxing thread please.

"Whenwhat you are actually seeing is the fake champion in his division fighting a chump" - Poonsawat is rated higher in the division by The Ring and BoxRec than Dunne and only the "legit champions" above him.

Now toddle off and watch Royal Rumble!

Big Ears · 30-08-2009 3:39pm

itouchmyself wrote: »

40 fights you's must be alright this thread is about Bernard Dunne....
because he hasnt even had 30 fights!

Have you confused yourself, the person being referred to as the 'chump' aka one of the top Super-Bantamweights in the World is the one with nearly 40 fights. No one said Dunne had nearly 40.

itouchmyself · 30-08-2009 3:47pm

Big Ears wrote: »

Have you confused yourself, the person being referred to as the 'chump' aka one of the top Super-Bantamweights in the World is the one with nearly 40 fights. No one said Dunne had nearly 40.

Yeah I read it wrong.

spongeman · 30-08-2009 3:54pm

itouchmyself wrote: »

40 fights you's must be alright this thread is about Bernard Dunne....
because he hasnt even had 30 fights!

Says it all really...:rolleyes: if you think he's the best in the world at that weight believe it but its obvious you have not a clue if thats what you think!

p.s. Trey White Sax ufc my arse:D

Try and learn to read my friend, you referred to the challenger as a chump. I said the chump had lost once in nearly 40 fights, which is true. He has fought 39 times. I lived in Thailand for a few years and saw the way they go about their business, this guy is no fool.

Where did I say that he was the best in the world at that weight ? D'ont put words in my mouth.

itouchmyself · 30-08-2009 3:56pm

spongeman wrote: »

Try and learn to read my friend, you referred to the challenger as a chump. I said the chump had lost once in nearly 40 fights, which is true. He has fought 39 times. I lived in Thailand for a few years and saw the way they go about their business, this guy is no fool.

Where did I say that he was the best in the world at that weight ? D'ont put words in my mouth.

Were did I say anyone is a "chump"????
As you said learn to read my friend:mad:

spongeman · 30-08-2009 4:22pm

Anyway, moving along and ignoring the ignorance, does anybody have any idea who may be on the undercard ?

itouchmyself · 30-08-2009 4:28pm

spongeman wrote: »

Anyway, moving along and ignoring the ignorance, does anybody have any idea who may be on the undercard ?

Ignorance hey....

Anyway Murray, Patrick Hyland and talk about Tyson Fury but I dont know I thought he was fighting McDermott soon?

walshb · 30-08-2009 5:45pm

Tone it down boys, less of the aggressive posts and try to debate civilly.

Anyway, I read here that this fight is for the ORIGINAL title?

Can someone explain, as I was under the impression that Dunne
holds a version of the original. What has changed?

Vintagekits · 30-08-2009 6:22pm

walshb wrote: »

Tone it down boys, less of the aggressive posts and try to debate civilly.

Anyway, I read here that this fight is for the ORIGINAL title?

Can someone explain, as I was under the impression that Dunne
holds a version of the original. What has changed?

nothing has changed - the original or regular or normal or ordinary (dependant or what you call it yourself) title is the title that it is for.

Celestino Caballero remains the "super" and in my eyes true champion

mark renton · 30-08-2009 6:55pm

walshb wrote: »

Tone it down boys, less of the aggressive posts and try to debate civilly.

Anyway, I read here that this fight is for the ORIGINAL title?

Can someone explain, as I was under the impression that Dunne
holds a version of the original. What has changed?

read where?

mark renton · 30-08-2009 6:56pm

Vintagekits wrote: »

nothing has changed - the original or regular or normal or ordinary (dependant or what you call it yourself) title is the title that it is for.

Celestino Caballero remains the "super" and in my eyes true champion

whats the latest on Caballero moving up to feather?

spongeman · 30-08-2009 7:27pm

walshb wrote: »

Tone it down boys, less of the aggressive posts and try to debate civilly.

Anyway, I read here that this fight is for the ORIGINAL title?

Can someone explain, as I was under the impression that Dunne
holds a version of the original. What has changed?

The Thai is the WBA interim champion I believe.

However the only time he fought outside Thailand he lost.

Vintagekits · 30-08-2009 7:38pm

john47832 wrote: »

whats the latest on Caballero moving up to feather?

just talk.

Big Ears · 30-08-2009 9:09pm

Vintagekits wrote: »

just talk.

Ya he won last night against a very easy opponent and it seems just as(if not more) likely he'll fight Juan Manuel Lopez as move up in weight.

joepenguin · 31-08-2009 1:20am

walshb wrote: »

Tone it down boys, less of the aggressive posts and try to debate civilly.

Anyway, I read here that this fight is for the ORIGINAL title?

Can someone explain, as I was under the impression that Dunne
holds a version of the original. What has changed?

Calling a spade a spade, Dunne has the interim version(the call it the regular title) of Cabaleros title(which is called the super title as he has the ibf also), and poonswat as the interim version of Dunnes title.

So thats 3 titles from the wba in the one association.

On a positive note though Dunne fought a top 7-8 fighter for the title in cordoba who has a win over cab, and poonswat is said to be waiting his shot for a year and a half. He is also rated in the top 5 independantly and defo above Dunne. So its a big step forward for Irish boxing to have guys competing at such a high level.

Guys like McLoskey, Lee and Duddy arent that far behind him at the moment.

31-08-2009 2:44am

Vintagekits wrote: »

deluded 12 year old!

"in UFC you get to see top fighters" - eh naw! they are pretty **** actually and get paid **** all - but lets not turn this into a UFC v Boxing thread please.

"Whenwhat you are actually seeing is the fake champion in his division fighting a chump" - Poonsawat is rated higher in the division by The Ring and BoxRec than Dunne and only the "legit champions" above him.

Now toddle off and watch Royal Rumble!

I can just see you now,some scumbag thinking he knows anything about boxing screaming at a Dunne fight,your a clown.

He is an average at best fighter who will get bashed if he fights any sort of proper champion such as Lopez.He is an average fighter who will be bashed if he fights a proper champion.#

Btw they get paid a **** load more than Dunne will ever get.But you knew that already.

unknown13 · 31-08-2009 10:07am

Trey White Sax wrote: »

I can just see you now,some scumbag thinking he knows anything about boxing screaming at a Dunne fight,your a clown.

He is an average at best fighter who will get bashed if he fights any sort of proper champion such as Lopez.He is an average fighter who will be bashed if he fights a proper champion.#

Btw they get paid a **** load more than Dunne will ever get.But you knew that already.

A World champion is not an average fighter.

mark renton · 31-08-2009 10:40am

Trey White Sax wrote: »

I can just see you now,some scumbag thinking he knows anything about boxing screaming at a Dunne fight,your a clown.

He is an average at best fighter who will get bashed if he fights any sort of proper champion such as Lopez.He is an average fighter who will be bashed if he fights a proper champion.#

Btw they get paid a **** load more than Dunne will ever get.But you knew that already.

:rolleyes: have you tried the spiritual forum Goose - may help you with your anger, and will also give the dog a break from being kicked

walshb · 31-08-2009 11:10am

joepenguin wrote: »

Calling a spade a spade, Dunne has the interim version(the call it the regular title) of Cabaleros title(which is called the super title as he has the ibf also), and poonswat as the interim version of Dunnes title.

So thats 3 titles from the wba in the one association.

On a positive note though Dunne fought a top 7-8 fighter for the title in cordoba who has a win over cab, and poonswat is said to be waiting his shot for a year and a half. He is also rated in the top 5 independantly and defo above Dunne. So its a big step forward for Irish boxing to have guys competing at such a high level.

Guys like McLoskey, Lee and Duddy arent that far behind him at the moment.

Exactly what I thought, but reading here I thought something had changed because it was mentioned that this fight vs Poonsawat was for the ORIGINAL
WBA title, which it is not...

mark renton · 31-08-2009 11:21am

walshb wrote: »

Exactly what I thought, but reading here I thought something had changed because it was mentioned that this fight vs Poonsawat was for the ORIGINAL
WBA title, which it is not...

Depends what way you look at it - This is for the original / and Cordobas title is unified

or - This is for interim type of belt and Cordoba holds original

calling a spade a spade - the history books will show the mighty Dunne as World Champion

walshb · 31-08-2009 12:09pm

john47832 wrote: »

Depends what way you look at it - This is for the original / and Cordobas title is unified

or - This is for interim type of belt and Cordoba holds original

calling a spade a spade - the history books will show the mighty Dunne as World Champion

Do you not mean Caballero?

Caballero holds the real world title, Dunne holds a version
of this belt. So, history will show certain things to
certain people. I believe in ONE world champ
at best in each weight. Unfortunately, this
is not the case, so we have to put up with 3, 4, and 5
world champions. The real WC at 122 lbs is IMO Lopez or Caballero.

Anyway, I guess we have discussed this extensively before, so let
us just sit back and enjoy the Sept 26th fight

triv88 · 31-08-2009 12:27pm

Would the Thai boxer be favourite to win this fight?

spongeman · 31-08-2009 12:32pm

Paddy Powers :

Dunne 8/13
Thaiguy 6/5

reflects home advantage perhaps ?

mark renton · 31-08-2009 12:58pm

spongeman wrote: »

Paddy Powers :

Dunne 8/13
Thaiguy 6/5

reflects home advantage perhaps ?

reflects the fact there are more questions about this fight than answers

will Bernard be able to cope with anoter martinez type fighter?
will the Thai travel well?
is the Thai's record really any good outside ogf the Cordoba fight?

makes for a very interesting fight in which the winner will be looking to fight higher ranked fighters - of which there are only 2 or 3 in this division, and there are also questions if those will move up weight, so this winner could be left to fill top spot at some time in the future

gmkgreaney · 31-08-2009 1:05pm

thais dont fight great outside of asia

joepenguin · 31-08-2009 1:43pm

john47832 wrote: »

Depends what way you look at it - This is for the original / and Cordobas title is unified

or - This is for interim type of belt and Cordoba holds original

calling a spade a spade - the history books will show the mighty Dunne as World Champion

Dunnes title holds as much value as Hattons welterweight title.
The way I look at it is a divsion only has a world champion after someone has cleaned up, or beaten everyone else worth talking about, or is the linear champ and still fighting top contenders.

Super bantam is a stacked division but since Vasquez has left the divison we are without a world champion. The winner of cab-lopez will give us a champ. Until then we have belt holders.

Cabalerro has the wba and ibf
lopez has the wbo
nishioka has the wbc

and dunne has the wba regular.

Without having an actual champion of the world I look at the belts as just awards that at least mean their owners are top ten fighters and maybe more. They are however world class. In Dunnes case I give him more credit than most give him for the simple fact that cordoba beat cabellerp albeit a few years back and dunne beat cordoba. This doesnt put dunne in the top 2-3 by any means but the fighter he beat for the belt had some class and could hang with and beat the best in the division. This by todays standards makes Dunne a world champion.

Its certainly better than winning a vacant belt against the 15th ranked fighter in the weight division below.

Goose: Dunne is way better than average and a tad below top 5 in the world at the mo. Things might change come september 26th, we'll see him ranked 5th or 15th give or take. Both of which are well above average.

And for the most part, Dunne would make more than most mma fighters.
Its a well known fact, boxers purses are bigger than mma fighters.
MMA cards are often better than boxing cards with better match ups etc. but boxing is where the money is for fighters.

Big Ears · 31-08-2009 2:57pm

gmkgreaney wrote: »

thais dont fight great outside of asia

Not really true, it's not a case of Thai fighters traveling poorly but more a case of the weaker ones having to travel to fight top guys and then being shown up.

Somsak Sithchatchawal certainly didn't do too badly in France when he took the WBA Super-Bantamweight title of Mayhar Monshipour.

Thai fighters often upset the odds in Japan aswell, now yes Japan is still in Asia but it's regarded as being an very tough thing to go to Japan and beat the home country fighter on points. Yet Thai fighters manage this quite a lot, probably more than fighters from any other country.

Poonsawat will come to Dublin in great shape, he'll be prepared both physically and mentally and if he's not at his best he'll be near it. This is his big chance.

I actually think he's going to stop Dunne(I thought Cordoba would aswell however), so Bernard pulling this off would once again be very special.

Vintagekits · 31-08-2009 8:14pm

Trey White Sax wrote: »

I can just see you now,some scumbag thinking he knows anything about boxing screaming at a Dunne fight,your a clown.

He is an average at best fighter who will get bashed if he fights any sort of proper champion such as Lopez.He is an average fighter who will be bashed if he fights a proper champion.#

Btw they get paid a **** load more than Dunne will ever get.But you knew that already.

Average fighters are now rated in the top ten in their weight are they?

So you reckon he can now go from an "average fighter" to a "proper champion" in just one fight - thats some step!

"they get paid a **** load more than Dunne" - do they!? Not sure about that - none of the top ten have PPV draw inside the US - the closest being JML. But I think you are underestimating Dunne's earning potential within the SBW division.

Next for Dunne

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