Dublin Bus strike from Sunday 04/08 [called off - service resumes 07/08]

Stevek101 · 01-08-2013 2:12pm

It's great hearing about these other options. If this goes ahead I'm all for privatisation, nip these antics in the bud.

end of the road · 01-08-2013 2:36pm

Stevek101 wrote: »

If this goes ahead I'm all for privatisation, nip these antics in the bud.

these antics are vital to make management examine all options for cost cutting rather then just the staff while the wastefulness continues, privatisation won't nip them in the bud and nor should it be able to be, complete privatisation of dublin bus shouldn't be able to happen as it would still mean a monopoly only probably service cuts and more in the name of maximising proffits, supporting privatisation because the drivers go on strike the very odd time just proves one is petty and a begrudger.

LoonyLovegood · 01-08-2013 2:42pm

My bus driver this morning didn't seem to know anything about a strike when I asked him getting on...

LXFlyer · 01-08-2013 2:50pm

end of the road wrote: »

these antics are vital to make management examine all options for cost cutting rather then just the staff while the wastefulness continues, privatisation won't nip them in the bud and nor should it be able to be, complete privatisation of dublin bus shouldn't be able to happen as it would still mean a monopoly only probably service cuts and more in the name of maximising proffits, supporting privatisation because the drivers go on strike the very odd time just proves one is petty and a begrudger.

These "antics" are not vital.

This should have been resolved within 3 months of negotiations starting, and not still unresolved 1 year later, and should have been arrived at through the industrial relations processes without affecting customers.

Stevek101 · 01-08-2013 3:08pm

end of the road wrote: »

these antics are vital to make management examine all options for cost cutting rather then just the staff while the wastefulness continues, privatisation won't nip them in the bud and nor should it be able to be, complete privatisation of dublin bus shouldn't be able to happen as it would still mean a monopoly only probably service cuts and more in the name of maximising proffits, supporting privatisation because the drivers go on strike the very odd time just proves one is petty and a begrudger.

Vital for what exactly? It will only bring further undermining towards the cause of non privatisation of CIÉ. The DB customer base is fed up and staff will make no friends through strike action. The cost base is way too high and needs to be tackled. Maybe the 20% raise was a little too high in 2000? It's hard to be understanding after 14 months and a Labour Court agreement.

end of the road · 01-08-2013 3:19pm

Stevek101 wrote: »

Vital for what exactly?

i all ready told you, go read my post again

Stevek101 wrote: »

It will only bring further undermining towards the cause of non privatisation of CIÉ.

from the government and some people here on boards

Stevek101 wrote: »

The DB customer base is fed up

many of the customers who post here in this forum, but the rest while they whinj and whine about strike action just get on with it

Stevek101 wrote: »

staff will make no friends through strike action.

they don't need friends, all they need to do is to use this vital tool as a last resort to get management to put all options on the table for cuts, nothing wrong with that, most people if they could strike without being sacked would do so, i don't believe anyone who says they wouldn't

Stevek101 wrote: »

The cost base is way too high and needs to be tackled.

the drivers agree with that and are both willing and commited to taking cuts, their just not willing to be the only port of call for cuts when their are other options for cuts along with them, thats reasonable to me

n97 mini · 01-08-2013 3:23pm

end of the road wrote: »

supporting privatisation because the drivers go on strike the very odd time just proves one is petty and a begrudger.

You're implying the odd strike does no harm to anyone? This, combined with your suggestion that people can just get taxis instead... I'm speechless!

Please tell me you don't work for CIE!

Stevek101 · 01-08-2013 3:23pm

Like BÉ this deal won't be changed. All that will be added in is a core management pay cut. Is it really worth striking for that?

LXFlyer · 01-08-2013 3:26pm

end of the road wrote: »

i all ready told you, go read my post again

from the government and some people here on boards

many of the customers who post here in this forum, but the rest while they whinj and whine about strike action just get on with it

they don't need friends, all they need to do is to use this vital tool as a last resort to get management to put all options on the table for cuts, nothing wrong with that, most people if they could strike without being sacked would do so, i don't believe anyone who says they wouldn't

the drivers agree with that and are both willing and commited to taking cuts, their just not willing to be the only port of call for cuts when their are other options for cuts along with them, thats reasonable to me

I find this sort of attitude frankly unreal. Many people can't "get on with it" without this having a serious cost impact on their pocket as they don't have the option of rail or LUAS or walking. A taxi or taking holidays may be their only option which is going to be damned expensive, and completely unnecessary.

I'll ask the question again.

Do you think 14 months of negotiations on cost reduction proposals (including LRC involvement) is acceptable in the context of running a company?

end of the road · 01-08-2013 3:31pm

n97 mini wrote: »

You're implying the odd strike does no harm to anyone? This, combined with your suggestion that people can just get taxis instead... I'm speechless!

its a reasonable suggestion if the busses are down and you don't have access to a car luas or dart, yes a strike is an inconvenience but it isn't the end of the world, you do have options

n97 mini wrote: »

Please tell me you don't work for CIE!

no, however i understand and except why their taking this action and i don't believe its the end of the world like some make it out to be, most would down tools as a last resort if they had the option to do so

TheIrishGrover · 01-08-2013 3:32pm

end of the road wrote: »

claptrap, their not holding the traveling public to ransom as their are many options to get round if a strike goes ahead, yeah it might mean getting up and leaving the house a little earlier or either driving or getting a taxi rather then the bus but if striking as a last resort means that all options are examined for cuts rather then the staff just being the first port of call because its easier then thats what has to happen.

Yep, nobody's affected. I have loads of options getting back home to Blanch from busaras after visiting my mam. I can walk the 14Km.... or get a taxi...... except, unlike the drivers, I'm unemployed and can't bloody afford it.

I'm still going down for my mother's birthday and appreciate your transport advice......

end of the road · 01-08-2013 3:34pm

lxflyer wrote: »

Do you think 14 months of negotiations on cost reduction proposals (including LRC involvement) is acceptable in the context of running a company?

its unfortunate yes, i think if the time for them allowed to happen was less then management might move quicker to put a deal on the table that will suit all involved

dukedalton · 01-08-2013 3:34pm

As usual, it's going to be the paying customer who suffers most from industrial action.

Here's a novel suggestion: instead of not showing up for work and causing mass disruption for the public, why don't workers instead refuse to take fares from commuters? Thus management gets the message, and commuters get to where they need to go.

Devilman40k · 01-08-2013 3:55pm

end of the road wrote: »

its a reasonable suggestion if the busses are down and you don't have access to a car luas or dart, yes a strike is an inconvenience but it isn't the end of the world, you do have options

Ok what are these options then?... mine seems to be spend 50 per day on taxis (and if I do that should I request reimbursement from the union??)

liger · 01-08-2013 4:06pm

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Yep, nobody's affected. I have loads of options getting back home to Blanch from busaras after visiting my mam. I can walk the 14Km.... or get a taxi...... except, unlike the drivers, I'm unemployed and can't bloody afford it.

I'm still going down for my mother's birthday and appreciate your transport advice......

Head to a taxi rank, share a cab with a couple of others.

BuffyBot · 01-08-2013 4:09pm

free travel scheme

Let's keep on topic. The existance or not of the scheme is very much outside of DB's control.

stop · 01-08-2013 4:43pm

Will this strike affect Oxegen Buses?
Or as Marathon Sports travel are involved will they just get other buses?

_Kaiser_ · 01-08-2013 5:01pm

stop wrote: »

Will this strike affect Oxegen Buses?
Or as Marathon Sports travel are involved will they just get other buses?

According to this it may well affect Oxegen and more besides:

Thousands travelling from the Oxegen music festival in Co Kildare, which will take place from Friday to Monday, could be left without transport.

Meanwhile, organisers of The Gathering Ireland have predicted the busiest weekend of the year for family and community events.

Around 87 separate gatherings are planned across the country with a huge portion of those happening in the capital.

cdebru · 01-08-2013 5:08pm

lxflyer wrote: »

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the free travel scheme - that is a matter for government policy, and is outside the remit of Dublin Bus. It is a completely separate issue.

The reality is that DB's cost base is too high and this has to change. I'm sorry to break this news to you, as you seem to be in denial - but that has to be addressed. I am saying this as someone who has worked in two companies over the last 10 years where we continually reviewed costs, and who has had to make not insignificant personal sacrifices to keep my job.

For negotiations to be ongoing for a full year with no agreement is nothing short of a disgrace, and suggests to me that the people involved don't seem to be grasping the seriousness of the situation. No company can operate with that sort of inability to change work practices, or review costs. As I said above - there have to be negotiations, but they have to have a defined time limit - really this has gone beyond a joke.

that's a cop out, the company have a financial short fall the company is not being paid properly for the free travel scheme, you cant just ignore that fact as if it has no bearing on the issue.

And no the companies cost base is not the problem the problem is a cut in subvention, the removal of the fuel rebate, and the fact that 1.1 million people are entitled to travel for free for which DB gets about 2euro per person per year.

And this is another in a series of cost cutting exercises, and not the last the subvention will be cut again next year.

Lastly the negotiations have dragged on because the company has not been honest or transparent in what they wanted or on how changes will affect their staff.

cdebru · 01-08-2013 5:09pm

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

According to this it may well affect Oxegen and more besides:

Alan Martin coaches has the contract for oxygen so it will have no affect.

LXFlyer · 01-08-2013 5:10pm

I can't see this affecting Oxegen as Dublin Bus are no longer providing the service.

cdebru · 01-08-2013 5:16pm

BuffyBot wrote: »

Let's keep on topic. The existance or not of the scheme is very much outside of DB's control.

How is it off topic ? There is a hole in the companies finances, pointing out a huge contributory factor to that hole is not off topic.

And you have just highlighted the problem it is out of their control, so instead they are looking to the employees to plug the hole.
if you are being asked to provide a service it is not unreasonable to ask to be paid properly to provide it nor is it unreasonable or off topic to point out that the government is behind the massive hole in their finances.
Unless you prefer to dance around it, and we will all just ignore the elephant in the room.

cdebru · 01-08-2013 5:19pm

dukedalton wrote: »

As usual, it's going to be the paying customer who suffers most from industrial action.

Here's a novel suggestion: instead of not showing up for work and causing mass disruption for the public, why don't workers instead refuse to take fares from commuters? Thus management gets the message, and commuters get to where they need to go.

2 reasons the company have threatened legal action against unions for no fare days.

second if you work the new arrangements you are defacto accepting them.

LXFlyer · 01-08-2013 5:20pm

cdebru wrote: »

that's a cop out, the company have a financial short fall the company is not being paid properly for the free travel scheme, you cant just ignore that fact as if it has no bearing on the issue.

And no the companies cost base is not the problem the problem is a cut in subvention, the removal of the fuel rebate, and the fact that 1.1 million people are entitled to travel for free for which DB gets about 2euro per person per year.

And this is another in a series of cost cutting exercises, and not the last the subvention will be cut again next year.

Lastly the negotiations have dragged on because the company has not been honest or transparent in what they wanted or on how changes will affect their staff.

All of the matters you refer to are outside the company's control. They are an issue for the Government. I understand the point you make, but they are a separate issue.

I'm sorry, but I can tell you that regardless of those issues, the cost base is still way too high, and has to reduce. The biggest element is payroll. And as I have already said, senior management should individually be making a larger contribution than everyone else in percentage terms, but any reduction they make is going to be minute in the context of overall payroll savings.

You seem to want not to hear this, but change has to happen for this company to survive and become competitive.

No company can live in a vacuum - they need to respond and quickly. If either of the companies that I've worked in over the past 10 years had not responded to the financial realities for 14 months because of procrastinated negotiations, then both would be out of business.

It is not acceptable. Bottom line.

cdebru · 01-08-2013 5:29pm

lxflyer wrote: »

All of the matters you refer to are outside the company's control. They are an issue for the Government. I understand the point you make, but they are a separate issue.

I'm sorry, but I can tell you that the cost base is still way too high, and has to reduce. The biggest element is payroll. And as I have already said, senior management should be making a larger contribution than everyone else in percentage terms, but any reduction they make is going to be minute in the context of overall payroll savings.

You seem to want not to hear this, but change has to happen for this company to survive and become competitive.

No company can live in a vacuum - they need to respond and quickly. If either of the companies that I've worked in over the past 10 years had not responded to the financial realities for 14 months because of procrastinated negotiations, then both would be out of business.

It is not acceptable. Bottom line.

Then the unions should take it up with the government and make it clear to them that they will not accept any cuts until the issue is addressed.
It is a nonsense to pretend that it is not an issue or that the current scheme is sustainable. cuts alone will not sort this out, the free travel scheme is a millstone dragging all 3 companies into oblivion and cuts and fare increases will not solve the problem.

bmaxi · 01-08-2013 6:05pm

cdebru wrote: »

Then the unions should take it up with the government and make it clear to them that they will not accept any cuts until the issue is addressed.
It is a nonsense to pretend that it is not an issue or that the current scheme is sustainable. cuts alone will not sort this out, the free travel scheme is a millstone dragging all 3 companies into oblivion and cuts and fare increases will not solve the problem.

OK, scrap the Free Travel Scheme tomorrow. Then you can tell us where the transport companies can find the additional €80 million+ in subsidies every year to replace it. In extra fares? Don't make me laugh, because of high fares and unreliable service, people will only travel when it's essential. The biggest problem with the FTS is fraud, and that is within the power of CIE to prevent. How many times have you had a ticket inspector on your bus in the last month? I'd wager that you could number it on the fingers of one hand if you'd had five amputated. How many of the passengers on any single journey pay the minimum fare and travel the full distance? I'd wager you'd need at least all your fingers and toes to number them. Dublin Bus seem to think that the elimination of conductors from buses would also eliminate fraud and fare evasion, like in so many other things, they were wrong.

monument · 01-08-2013 6:28pm

cdebru wrote: »

How is it off topic ? There is a hole in the companies finances, pointing out a huge contributory factor to that hole is not off topic.

And you have just highlighted the problem it is out of their control, so instead they are looking to the employees to plug the hole.
if you are being asked to provide a service it is not unreasonable to ask to be paid properly to provide it nor is it unreasonable or off topic to point out that the government is behind the massive hole in their finances.
Unless you prefer to dance around it, and we will all just ignore the elephant in the room.

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n97 mini · 01-08-2013 7:37pm

What's the bets this will play out with 2 days of no service, everyone back to the negotiating table, company capitulates on nearly everything, unions on practically nothing, and we move on pretending the problems in DB are solved for now.

Atilla · 01-08-2013 7:41pm

At last some group of workers do not roll over , we spend years griping about austerity and all it entails ,we sit on our hands and grumble , These workers should be commended not castigated .

end of the road · 01-08-2013 7:47pm

n97 mini wrote: »

What's the bets this will play out with a day of no service, everyone back to the negotiating table, company and unions come to a deal that suits both sides, and we slowly but surely cut out all the waste along with other needed cuts

thats what will happen

reckoner · 01-08-2013 7:48pm

end of the road wrote: »

its a reasonable suggestion if the busses are down and you don't have access to a car luas or dart, yes a strike is an inconvenience but it isn't the end of the world, you do have options

I find it remarkable that some people think that it is reasonable to pay 35+ euro's to get a taxi into work, which is more than half my day's wages, but certainly not for these already over-paid bus drivers, who work for a company that barely have services past 11pm or before 6am in a capital city of the world.

Once again the customer pays the price. Sham.

Atilla · 01-08-2013 7:54pm

reckoner wrote: »

I find it remarkable that some people think that it is reasonable to pay 35+ euro's to get a taxi into work, which is more than half my day's wages, but certainly not for these already over-paid bus drivers, who work for a company that barely have services past 11pm or before 6am in a capital city of the world.

Once again the customer pays the price. Sham.

Dub Bus to my knowledge did run a nitelink service 6 days per week some years ago , the average patronage was 4 passengers per journey hence its scrapping

end of the road · 01-08-2013 7:54pm

reckoner wrote: »

these already over-paid bus drivers

their worth every penny, having to deal with members of the public some of who are extremely uncivilised and having to take abuse and sit there and put up with it, they should be commended as i certainly wouldn't stay in a cab and take abuse from somebody

reckoner wrote: »

a company that barely have services past 11pm or before 6am in a capital city of the world.

thats not the drivers fault, some routes wouldn't have the demand for such services, all though i would like to see a 24 hour bus service myself, i'd even like to see late night rail services to outside dart and commuter but how and ever

reckoner · 01-08-2013 7:58pm

end of the road wrote: »

their worth every penny, having to deal with members of the public some of who are extremely uncivilised and having to take abuse and sit there and put up with it, they should be commended as i certainly wouldn't stay in a cab and take abuse from somebody

I really wonder if you think that bus drivers are the only service in the world that interacts with customers, and hence face all of the above on a regular basis?
Because i certainly do....i guess that makes just myself and our "beloved" bus drivers eh

n97 mini · 01-08-2013 8:11pm

Atilla wrote: »

Dub Bus to my knowledge did run a nitelink service 6 days per week some years ago , the average patronage was 4 passengers per journey hence its scrapping

They typically ran two buses, one at 1230 and 0200. So it barely qualified as a "service." Routing was different on Mon-Thur too, which didn't help as none of the Nitelinks follow the same route as their daytime counterparts. God knows how long it'd take to get to the Celbridge for example.

n97 mini · 01-08-2013 8:13pm

end of the road wrote: »

thats what will happen

That's also not what I said.

reckoner · 01-08-2013 8:15pm

n97 mini wrote: »

They typically ran two buses, one at 1230 and 0200. So it barely qualified as a "service." Routing was different on Mon-Thur too, which didn't help as none of the Nitelinks follow the same route as their daytime counterparts. God knows how long it'd take to get to the Celbridge for example.

Yeah thats the one i used to get actually. Palmerstown, Lucan, Leixlip, Celbridge and Maynooth, it had far more than 4 on it, but obviously they preferred scrapping midweek nitelink in its entirety rather than keeping the routes that actually had passengers.

Good times, haha

CreepingDeath · 01-08-2013 9:22pm

end of the road wrote: »

their worth every penny, having to deal with members of the public some of who are extremely uncivilised and having to take abuse and sit there and put up with it, they should be commended as i certainly wouldn't stay in a cab and take abuse from somebody

No more than any other group of unskilled public facing workers, eg. shop assistants, fast food workers, barmen etc and Dublin bus drivers have a perspex shield to protect them from physical attack.

Also they have a defined benefits pension where the taxpayer has to fund the shortfall.

Let's face it, at the end of it, everyone in Dublin is going to have to cough up more money in fare increases to keep these unskilled workers in their current position. The monthly Dublin bus ticket has already gone up from €98 to €112 in the last year or two, if my memory is correct, and the service has gone to shit as they reduce the service to the bare minimum.

I for one would welcome privatisation.

TheIrishGrover · 01-08-2013 9:44pm

liger wrote: »

Head to a taxi rank, share a cab with a couple of others.

I'm unemployed! Not all of us are raking in 500-600-whatever AHers seem to think it is nowadays.

I have my leap card and I can't afford another 10-20 odd quid because somebody decides to strike. I know mr end-of-the-road-"not"-a-driver thinks it's a taxi is a valid option but not me.

Lets face it, the strike-ANY strike is timed to cause as much heartache as possible. If it didn't affect as many people as possible then what's the point? So hearing unions etc saying they don't want to cause problems for people is a flat out LIE. (To be fair though, Dublin Bus didn't even say this)

end of the road · 01-08-2013 9:53pm

CreepingDeath wrote: »

unskilled workers
unskilled public facing workers[/quote
i'l think you'l find driving a bus takes a lot of skill, not everyone can do it dispite what you or others might delude your self in to thinking, if anyone could do it we'd all be bus drivers, some of us just won't be able to do it as were not right for the job

Atilla · 01-08-2013 9:53pm

CreepingDeath wrote: »

No more than any other group of unskilled public facing workers, eg. shop assistants, fast food workers, barmen etc and Dublin bus drivers have a perspex shield to protect them from physical attack.

Also they have a defined benefits pension where the taxpayer has to fund the shortfall.

Let's face it, at the end of it, everyone in Dublin is going to have to cough up more money in fare increases to keep these unskilled workers in their current position. The monthly Dublin bus ticket has already gone up from €98 to €112 in the last year or two, if my memory is correct, and the service has gone to shit as they reduce the service to the bare minimum.

I for one would welcome privatisation.

So you rate carrying the most precious commodity as unskilled work , I am not a bus driver but have admiration for them making a stand , it should be noted that this is an all out strike not just drivers , all grades i believe will be in dispute .

CreepingDeath · 01-08-2013 10:06pm

end of the road wrote: »

i'l think you'l find driving a bus takes a lot of skill, not everyone can do it dispite what you or others might delude your self in to thinking, if anyone could do it we'd all be bus drivers, some of us just won't be able to do it as were not right for the job

No it doesn't, just a simple HGV license and Dublin bus even help with the training for that.
I knew a guy who got into a round of Dublin bus recruitment maybe 5 years ago.
He was thick as a plank and got booted out of the HGV training for knocking the wing mirror off a truck.
But he was just one wing mirror away from joining the ranks.

What's the minimum requirements of a Dublin bus driver?

Atilla wrote: »

So you rate carrying the most precious commodity as unskilled work

Yep.
What Dublin bus drivers do daily, is what most car drivers do just to get to work, it's just a matter of scale.

And a bus is robust enough to take a few knocks, it's safer than a car.

n97 mini · 01-08-2013 10:17pm

Atilla wrote: »

So you rate carrying the most precious commodity as unskilled work

They're not airline pilots, more like drivers of big taxis.

lucernarian · 01-08-2013 10:17pm

CreepingDeath wrote: »

No it doesn't, just a simple HGV license and Dublin bus even help with the training for that.
I knew a guy who got into a round of Dublin bus recruitment maybe 5 years ago.
He was thick as a plank and got booted out of the HGV training for knocking the wing mirror off a truck.
But he was just one wing mirror away from joining the ranks.

What's the minimum requirements of a Dublin bus driver?

Yep.
What Dublin bus drivers do daily, is what most car drivers do just to get to work, it's just a matter of scale.

And a bus is robust enough to take a few knocks, it's safer than a car.

The second point you've made is frankly ridiculous. There are far more stringent rules for Category C and D licences. Any public service vehicle is required to comply with stringent safety requirements and especially when the passengers involved have little to no bearing on the safety of the vehicle they're in or the skill and consideration of the driver. They're almost entirely in the driver's hands. The number of passengers a car can carry is obviously much smaller, never mind how a car passenger is in a better position to inform the driver of any concerns etc.

There's a reason why those getting Category C or D licences have to go for a medical no matter what, and a variety of illnesses that don't stop you driving a car will basically either preclude a doctor from being able to certify you for category C or D, or else the risks involved are uninsurable for a bus or lorry driver while having little or no effect on car insurance.

n97 mini · 01-08-2013 10:22pm

Just curious, but what is the minimum standard of education required to be a bus driver with DB?

end of the road · 01-08-2013 10:31pm

n97 mini wrote: »

They're not airline pilots, more like drivers of big taxis.

their only a step below airline pilots, just like train drivers, both are extremely skilled jobs that any old jobsworth couldn't do

bmaxi · 01-08-2013 10:45pm

end of the road wrote: »

CreepingDeath wrote: »

unskilled workers
unskilled public facing workers[/quote
i'l think you'l find driving a bus takes a lot of skill, not everyone can do it dispite what you or others might delude your self in to thinking, if anyone could do it we'd all be bus drivers, some of us just won't be able to do it as were not right for the job

Bus driving is not an unskilled job and it is not a highly skilled job, what it is is a demanding job. It is no joke dragging a bus around city traffic all day, particularly a city where scant regard is paid to observation or enforcement of traffic law, a wet rush hour in Dublin is no party. They deserve to be paid a fair wage for what they do and some would argue that they are, but given that Dublin Bus relies on taxpayer subsidies,then the only solution is to cut your cloth to suit your measure.
It has been argued that management should take pay cuts and I agree. Is that going to avert this strike? Possibly. Is it going to plug the gap in the finances? Definitely not. So, we're on to the next phase. Cut the fleet, cut jobs, remodel the pension scheme, sick pay, medical cover? At some stage there is going to be pain for bus drivers so realistically the unions should be looking for an alternative to strike action which is only going to lead to more pain. Dublin Bus has said they're available to talk but they've set what the unions would probably call unacceptable conditions, but I say, call them on it, if they're available to talk then they have to have something to talk about.

end of the road · 01-08-2013 10:54pm

carpejugulum wrote: »

they don't even want to accept small changes

nonsense, they will except changes however they believe all options should be examined for changes along with them

carpejugulum wrote: »

ungratefulness and sense of entitlement so typical to many in public service.

obviously reading to much of the herald, shur its not as if you don't get the odd ungreatful person in the picture perfect private sector where everything is so fine and dandy

foggy_lad · 01-08-2013 10:58pm

end of the road wrote: »

nonsense, they will except changes however they believe all options should be examined for changes along with them

What are these options that they want examined?

Dublin Bus Staff are paid too much in things like uncertified sick days, shift allowances etc for the current situation to carry on, so if they value their positions they should be examining their own options instead of following on like sheep when the big unions tell them what to do.

rx8 · 01-08-2013 11:32pm

If they put everything on the table and had a meaningful discussion on it, then this current situation would be sorted in a few days. But no. ....as usual they want the workers at the coal-face to take all the pain. There is so much money wasted on quangos and junkets that it's just not going to wash this time.

Take your cuts too in 59 Upr O'Connell St.and we might get somewhere.

Dublin Bus strike from Sunday 04/08 [called off - service resumes 07/08]

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