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Will I go to prison? Would I get deported?

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  • #52
    walrusgumble
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    Newgirl19 wrote: »
    But will I go to prison? Or be deported?


    I learn my lesson

    Considering that you got caught with another's atm card, whether intentionally or by accident, one doubts that.


  • #53
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Shady Tady wrote: »
    It will probably be adjourned 5 times at the behest of the solicitor and cost the state thousands! That's the real theft in all of this!

    Lol do you even know the district court rates. Each adjournment gets the solicitor about €50 you hang around court all day for €50. A district court case in on 5 days will cost less than €500. Criminal legal aid in ireland is amongst the cheapest in the world and I can assure you no one gets rich from criminal legal aid. In a circuit court case no lawyer gets paid for any adjournment before the trial starts, the barrister gets €1144 for the day the trial starts and the solicitor gets less than €900 that is to cover all work done and the first day of the indictment on average it will work out less than €30 an hour as even a simple case will involve 30-40 hours work. Criminal legal aid has been cut by in excess of 30%.

    But to give actual facts on the first day of DC solicitor gets €201.00 it is then adjourned to allow copy statements to be served. On the second day €50 and the accused is given adjournment to say if he is pleading or wants a trial, on the final day €50 the matter is usually disposed of.


  • #54
    walrusgumble
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    oldyouth wrote: »
    Gobsmacked.

    If this is not a wind up, I hope the State takes a hard line with you and you become another country's problem

    Please, Alan Shatter won't take a hard line

    Despite the previous regime, where you would unlikely get citizenship if you claimed welfare for 3 years before application and at least 2 or 3 dishonest criminal offences, ie theft, you got refused citizenship. Under shatter, you might still get it!!!

    Of course residency is a different issue, shatter might not have much leeway if eu law is relevant.


  • #55
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    walrusgumble wrote: »
    Please, Alan Shatter won't take a hard line

    Despite the previous regime, where you would unlikely get citizenship if you claimed welfare for 3 years before application and at least 2 or 3 dishonest criminal offences, ie theft, you got refused citizenship. Under shatter, you might still get it!!!

    Of course residency is a different issue, shatter might not have much leeway if eu law is relevant.

    Under the old regime you got refused for any welfare payment and any conviction. I know of a case the only conviction was non production on demand of a driving licence. The person was a highly qualified and had a high salary.


  • #56
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    retrogamefan wrote: »
    Spending more to get her legal aid than she robbed. Problem with this country is *put over dramatic issues here*

    It costs about €1.5bn to pay for the Gardai per annum, €300m for our prisons, €100m for our courts, €40bn for our prosecution service and just under €50m for the legal aid budget. So, roughly 92.5% of the justice spend is on the prosecution side, 5% in the Courts, and 2.5% on the legal aid defence side.

    Put another way, it costs (if we assume the same overall proportion of spend in this individual case) approximately 37 times more for the gardai to arrest detain charge and prosecute her.

    The legal aid budget of €50m represents a drop in the ocean as regards the total state spending on justice, and there are no doubt circumstances where you can say that legal aid should/should not have been granted, or other changes.

    But that small amount is very often the only thing that stands between the state and the citizen, and has the capacity to prevent multiple miscarriages of justice and other breaches of the rights of the citizen.

    Of course, you are perfectly entitled to criticise legal aid solicitors to your hearts content. And if you should be so unfortunate that you end up on the wrong side of a criminal charge and can't afford private representation, they will defend you notwithstanding your criticisms.

    If you really wanted to save money, perhaps we should legalise shoplifting?


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