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The great big "ask an airline pilot" thread!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    The fun part about corporate flying is finding yourself waking up in a hotel and having to get ready to fly to a destination that neither of you have ever flown to before, there is a sense of excitement as its new, we have done all the preparation that we can, right down to googling the local words for good evening and thank you..... And also checked out how to coordinate our entry with the local air force as they operate an air defence zone over the whole country. GoPro batteries are charged... this is gonna be fun.


  • Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭greenybaby


    Smurf have you ever went into the live atc archives and listened to yourself conversing with the atc :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    :) Generally no as the recordings are not available for this part of the world, but we operated a roundtrip Geneva - Shannon - New York JFK - Paris last year so I did listen to the JFK ATC recordings of our arrival and departure. Its a good way to learn if we are doing something wrong and to learn from our mistakes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Its a good way to learn if we are doing something wrong and to learn from our mistakes.

    I have to say this is a theme that comes up again and again in aviation. From several replies on this and other threads, learning from everything, at every opportunity possible is something I hear consistently.

    It's an incredible attitude but is it hard to maintain? You must get to a stage and think to yourself - "yeah I can pretty much handle anything that is thrown at me"????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    keith16 wrote: »
    You must get to a stage and think to yourself - "yeah I can pretty much handle anything that is thrown at me"????

    And that's an attitude that will get you killed.
    It's a never ending learning curve. Any pilot who claims to know everything and that they know how to handle any event is either lying or incredibly stupid.:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Thats why this job creates such an adrenaline rush, it's not like an office job where you do the same thing every single day, we have to keep learning, either from our mistakes, or learn new regulations or procedures, and then just as you think that you have almost reached the peak, its time to change aircraft and start all over again :)
    "yeah I can pretty much handle anything that is thrown at me"????
    Look how rapidly the UPS 747 went from a normal flight to a disaster, or the 744 in Bagram....

    smurfjed


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭conor_ie


    Not sure if this has been asked before but here goes....

    So Friday morning while I was listening to the Dublin Approach frequency... it was the usual comms between the arriving planes and atc then when American 290 came through, the pilot was asking about how good the golf courses were around Dublin. (I'm assuming he spotted Portmarnock on approach!) Have any of the pilots who post here any stories about different conversations they've had with atc's around the place??


  • Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭greenybaby


    conor_ie wrote: »
    Not sure if this has been asked before but here goes....

    So Friday morning while I was listening to the Dublin Approach frequency... it was the usual comms between the arriving planes and atc then when American 290 came through, the pilot was asking about how good the golf courses were around Dublin. (I'm assuming he spotted Portmarnock on approach!) Have any of the pilots who post here any stories about different conversations they've had with atc's around the place??
    What time was that at, can't find the flight in the archives for flightradar or live atc :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    This is quoted as the crew rules for the Abercrombie and Fitch G550....
    * Pre-flight, workers are directed to mount a fingerprint hunt throughout the Gulfstream G550.

    * In the rear lavatory, “washcloths are to be tri-folded,” while toilet paper is not to be exposed (nor should its “end square” be folded).

    * A 13-title magazine assortment should be available in a credenza, with all inserts removed.

    * Seat belts “should be folded neatly into the seat backing. The buckles should have a ten inch space between them and should be free of fingerprints or marks.

    * "Clean shaven" male staffers should “spritz their uniforms with Abercrombie & Fitch 41 cologne” and adhere to a uniform that includes boxer briefs, flip flops, a polo shirt, and gloves. When wearing a winter coat (but only when the temperature is 50 or below), crew member must “Zip the jacket up to the fourth button from the bottom. The lowest button should be left undone, but the next three buttons up should be fastened.” Also, “Flip up the collar on the coat.”

    * The jeans of crew members “should sit at the hips. The belt is flipped over at the buckle.” As for shirts, they “should be tucked in at the front between the front two belt loops and none of the buttons should be fastened.” That’s right, the male staffers--usually wannabe models and actors--do not need to worry about fussing with tricky shirt buttons.

    * A steward must “Check the Cross pens and make sure that they will be writing properly. They should be changed once a month, or when the pen is not writing properly.”

    Hope that my boss never reads that :):):) Although in our usual environment, boxers and flip flops would be great.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/af-plane-rules?page=0

    smurfjed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Have any of the pilots who post here any stories about different conversations they've had with atc's around the place??
    For me its more fun to listen to the arguments.... We frequently get to listen to great arguments between flight crew and atc, the best that i heard was "you cannot talk to me like that, I AM THE CAPTAIN"... That was following an argument when the aircraft assumed that once he vacated the runway that he could taxi on a specific taxiway.

    Strangely enough, the crew are usually from one specific country.



    smurfjed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭LeftBase


    conor_ie wrote: »
    Not sure if this has been asked before but here goes....

    So Friday morning while I was listening to the Dublin Approach frequency... it was the usual comms between the arriving planes and atc then when American 290 came through, the pilot was asking about how good the golf courses were around Dublin. (I'm assuming he spotted Portmarnock on approach!) Have any of the pilots who post here any stories about different conversations they've had with atc's around the place??

    A few months ago I saw a cargo aircraft make a right on to a main parallel taxiway when it should have made a left they were immediately informed of that by the ground controller but not before they were pretty much nose to nose with an A310 that was holding to allow them out...sadly neither had a reverse gear! :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭Jimmy444


    Question for Airbus pilots: the video below shows the energetic actions of the pilot on the joystick as he comes in to land manually. I thought the way fly-by-wire works is that you put the aircraft in the attitude you require e.g 10 degree climb or bank 20 degrees, then let go the controls and the system recognises the current attitude as the situation you require and automatically corrects to maintain it until a further input is made. Do you think the pilot in this video is making the corrections for gusts, or is it to prevent diverging from the centreline due to varying crosswinds? I'm surprised he has to work so hard despite so much automation.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBuoA9qkKi4


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭LeftBase


    Jimmy444 wrote: »
    Question for Airbus pilots: the video below shows the energetic actions of the pilot on the joystick as he comes in to land manually. I thought the way fly-by-wire works is that you put the aircraft in the attitude you require e.g 10 degree climb or bank 20 degrees, then let go the controls and the system recognises the current attitude as the situation you require and automatically corrects to maintain it until a further input is made. Do you think the pilot in this video is making the corrections for gusts, or is it to prevent diverging from the centreline due to varying crosswinds? I'm surprised he has to work so hard despite so much automation.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBuoA9qkKi4

    Having the nose at 10 degrees and it staying there is grand when you want to climb but at lower speed when landing you need to make larger and more regular control inputs to keep the aircraft where you want it. Setting the aircraft up with a pitch/thrust setting is grand in still wind but gusts and windhsear can make a mess of it. A lot of modern jets are designed to cruise like the clappers but are divas in the landing configuration. In this clip I get the impression he may be over correcting/controlling a little bit as he seems to make a big enough deflection one way and then the same deflection the other afterwards.

    Interesting issue with Airbus side-sticks is that one guy can be throwing the stick around or have it all the way back(a la Air France) and the other guy's stick stays central and does not move like Boeing control wheels would. This means that a Captain flying with an inexperienced FO has to monitor the systems he monitors as PNF and keep a close eye on the inputs the FO is putting in as he cannot see them through his stick.


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Shamrock231


    Heard a story a couple days ago about a training Captain, who, as a practical joke on a new 250 hour FO's line training, convinced him that you still needed to shout "CLEAR!" out the window when starting the engines in their A320, leading to some funny looks when he was finally released onto the line.

    Any of the pilots on here have stories of other practical jokes like this played on innocent new FOs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭LeftBase


    Heard a story a couple days ago about a training Captain, who, as a practical joke on a new 250 hour FO's line training, convinced him that you still needed to shout "CLEAR!" out the window when starting the engines in their A320, leading to some funny looks when he was finally released onto the line.

    Any of the pilots on here have stories of other practical jokes like this played on innocent new FOs?

    Heard of a Training Captain on a check flight turning off the LCD screens without saying he had done so to see how the FO would react to having to use the back up instruments(and for ****s and giggles)...FO immediately called a mayday despite the fact the autopilot was still engaged and he had his backup instruments to hand.....the screens were off...thats all that was wrong! Training Captain is said to have given a rather gruff and firm "CANCEL MAYDAY" over the radio soon after.

    An FO on his first day told to go "kick the tires" by the Captain did exactly that and came back 2 mins later.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,927 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    LeftBase wrote: »
    .....
    An FO on his first day told to go "kick the tires" by the Captain did exactly that and came back 2 mins later.

    I fervently hope this is urban myth.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭pclancy


    Heard a story a couple days ago about a training Captain, who, as a practical joke on a new 250 hour FO's line training, convinced him that you still needed to shout "CLEAR!" out the window when starting the engines in their A320, leading to some funny looks when he was finally released onto the line.

    Ha-ha I do this whenever I start up our pipers or cessnas and I feel like a complete idiot each time. Can't imagine doing it from the window of an A320 :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭Surveyor11


    Was out on Portmarnock beach on Sunday with my son, we decided to sit on the beach and watch the planes coming into land over our head.

    One thing we noticed is that with almost every Ryanair plane (say 9 out of 10 aircraft), they flew with wheels up the longest. Is this to conserve fuel? Or is it due to aircraft type - with the mainly Airbuses of Aer Lingus, Lufthansa and (what looked like) Swissair, the landing gear was down well over the water before they flew over us.


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Shamrock231


    Could be a number of things, gear creates a lot of drag, so if the other planes were fast, they'd lower them earlier to make sure they weren't too fast by the stable approach gate.
    I don't know about the difference between Airbus and Boeing, but depending on the aircraft, if you reach a certain flap setting and the gear isn't down yet, an alarm will go off, so it may be that the 737 with it's 8 flap settings vs. the A320's 4 may be able to drop the flaps further before they need to lower the gear.

    Those would be the main reasons that come to mind.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭basill


    Aer Lingus sops are for wide bodies to take the gear at 6.5nm from the runway threshold and for narrows 5.5nm. Ryanair probably have different sops if they are consistently taking the gear later.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,265 ✭✭✭RangeR


    basill wrote: »
    Aer Lingus sops are for wide bodies to take the gear at 6.5nm from the runway threshold and for narrows 5.5nm. Ryanair probably have different sops if they are consistently taking the gear later.

    I hope to sweet jeebus that you are talking nautical miles, not nanometers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭View Profile


    Ryanair like the gear down at 4nm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Shamrock231


    basill wrote: »
    Aer Lingus sops are for wide bodies to take the gear at 6.5nm from the runway threshold and for narrows 5.5nm. Ryanair probably have different sops if they are consistently taking the gear later.

    Is that a compulsory thing or "We'd recommend lowering at X nm"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭pclancy


    Just wait, Channel Four will now produce a Dispatches episode about Ryanairs landing gear policy.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    pclancy wrote: »
    Just wait, Channel Four will now produce a Dispatches episode about Ryanairs landing gear policy.

    I was waiting for someone to say that :D


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    LeftBase wrote: »
    Interesting issue with Airbus side-sticks is that one guy can be throwing the stick around or have it all the way back(a la Air France) and the other guy's stick stays central and does not move like Boeing control wheels would. This means that a Captain flying with an inexperienced FO has to monitor the systems he monitors as PNF and keep a close eye on the inputs the FO is putting in as he cannot see them through his stick.
    Interesting. A little worrying too, for me anyway. Just talking through my arse from an interested amateur POV, but when I first saw those side sticks mooted as a good thing I had a real "eh wut?" moment. Made little or no sense compared to a central joystick/control column. Take your example. It increases the chances of one pilot not being aware of what the other is doing. With the old stylee yoke this is far more clear.

    Take the Air France jet that plunged into the atlantic ocean on the flight from Brazil a few years back. The copilot stalled her all the way into the sea. He was holding back on the stick all the way down(major WTF in a stall but anyway). The captain didn't realise this. If a central stick had been in place it's far more likely he would have been aware of this. It's kinda madness they don't even have servos that transmit what one pilot is doing. :eek:

    The other aspect is handedness. Most people are righties, but many are lefties. Yes you can learn to be pretty good with your non dominant hand, but again it's adding an issue where it doesn't need to.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭LeftBase


    Wibbs wrote: »

    The other aspect is handedness. Most people are righties, but many are lefties. Yes you can learn to be pretty good with your non dominant hand, but again it's adding an issue where it doesn't need to.

    I'm a righty and fly with my right as an FO. However most pilots learn to fly with their left hand so I actually had a harder time adapting to flying with my dominant hand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Shamrock231


    Well, regardless of whether you use a side-stick or yoke, the throttles are always going to be in the middle, so for half* your career, you'll be using your dominant hand on the control column/side-stick, and the other half* your non-dominant one.

    *Just go with it, no need to be pedantic... ;)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Still, what are the actual practical advantages of a sidestick arrangement? I can see few, but can see more disadvantages compared to the centre mounted yoke.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Shamrock231


    Weight savings and pilot incapacitation come to mind.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭amen


    but when I first saw those side sticks mooted as a good thing I had a real "eh wut?" moment

    Take the Air France jet that plunged into the atlantic ocean on the flight from Brazil a few years back. The copilot stalled her all the way into the sea. He was holding back on the stick all the way down(major WTF in a stall but anyway). The captain didn't realise this. If a central stick had been in place it's far more likely he would have been aware of this. It's kinda madness they don't even have servos that transmit what one pilot is doing.

    This though is nothing to do with side sticks or traditional yokes. This is more a design Philosophy whereby Airbus don't have the sidesticks move in tandem. You could just as easily have this occur for traditional control.

    Similarly Airbus could have implemented this feature for the side stick.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    amen wrote: »
    This though is nothing to do with side sticks or traditional yokes. This is more a design Philosophy whereby Airbus don't have the sidesticks move in tandem. You could just as easily have this occur for traditional control.
    Oh I agree, but IMH that's only partially the case. It's simply easier to visually acquire a traditional yoke and see it's relative position especially in a darkened cockpit(even if they weren't in tandem). Are there examples where traditional yokes aren't in tandem? I understood they were, so pardon my ignorance. In the air france incident, it would be a lot more obvious to the rest of the crew that the guy flying was flying nose up with a traditional yoke, even from his body/arm position and that may have averted disaster in a situation of confusion and overload from alarm and instrument failure.

    The lack of tandem cues just adds to the idea being a daft one. It just seems like an "improvement" for the sake of being different. I could see the advantages in say a single seat fighter aircraft, the potential for high G loadings would make the closer and smaller sidestick a better bet, but for commercial aircraft? I really don't see any advantages as Airbus implements them.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭Surveyor11


    Wasn't it the case that the pilot in the jump seat could see the error i.e. Captain pulling the yoke up, but the co-pilot couldn't / didn't realise what the captain was doing? Sorry, just my amateur 10c:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Flew DUB to CDG on 13/08 - a very smooth flight EIN522. Over the English Channel the engines seemed to almost switch off, is this done as a fuel saving exercise?

    The return leg home on 17/08 - a little turbulent flight EIN523. Over England at good height the plane was a little bumpy and at one stage I felt the plane being pushed eastwards - was this a jet stream ribbon? It felt like a strong crosswind hitting a car when you pass a gap in the hedgerows driving along.
    We seemed to be beneath the low cloud base from around 40 miles out over the Irish sea with the plane swaying - in fairness the captain (J Donoghue?) got us down with a little thud in Dublin, as a nervous flyer this was probably the most uncomfortable flight I was ever on (not a frequent flyer by any stretch).

    This was my first time to fly on an airbus and felt that the takeoff and landing were generally more smooth than the boeings I flew with in previous flights, however the airbus when up seemed to be more sensitive to weak turbulence than the boeing with the wing tips visibly shimmying more in the air.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    the engines seemed to almost switch off, is this done as a fuel saving exercise?
    This procedure would save a lot of fuel, but the aircraft range would suffer dramatically. :)
    one stage I felt the plane being pushed eastwards - was this a jet stream ribbon?
    Wow, are you sure that you really felt the aircraft being pushed sidewards, this seems strange.
    as a nervous flyer this was probably the most uncomfortable flight I was ever on (not a frequent flyer by any stretch).
    You appear to be extremely sensitive to flying, your ears can play some terrible tricks on you as you have little or no visual reference, I can assure you that the only time that the engines will have the power reduced in a cruise is when they are in idle power for descent, and even this is a misnomer as for us, idle power means that the engine is rotating at 67% of the possible speed and still delivering power.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    smurfjed wrote: »
    ...You appear to be extremely sensitive to flying...

    Absolutely!!! :P

    Every little twitch the plane makes my stomach churns!!! :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭whitebriar


    Danno wrote: »
    Absolutely!!! :P

    Every little twitch the plane makes my stomach churns!!! :o
    You wouldn't have liked part of my flight on BA from lhr to yvr last year then.
    Somewhere over Newfoundland,the plane hit the strongest turbulence I've ever experienced.I was in 1k in the nose of the plane and at one stage in the worst of the shaking and rattling,the champagne glass leaped off the table and my dinner ended up on the companion seat :D


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,927 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    whitebriar wrote: »
    ...Somewhere over Newfoundland,the plane hit the strongest turbulence I've ever experienced.....the champagne glass leaped off the table and my dinner ended up on the companion seat :D

    Did you at least save the champagne?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭whitebriar


    Warey of the risk,that was drank before the dinner was finished.. Priorities Priorities :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 jubawombbe


    Can any Aer Lingus pilot on here answer any of these questions:

    1) What is the current job as an EI Pilot like? Hours, Pay, Benefits/Perks, Progression/Promotion etc.

    2) Is there any chance that they will reopen the Cadet Recruitment process next year?

    I really wanted to apply for the cadet program but missed out due to age.

    Thanks in advance


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭basill


    Pay scales are pretty accurate on ppjn. There is an ongoing pay review under way so watch this space on what happens to that. Short haul has a fixed pattern of 5 days on and 3 off. There is an online preferential bidding system where you can select a myriad of things like check in/out, flight lengths, specific flights etc. Depending on your seniority you get a notional satisfaction ratio that the software will try and achieve when it prepares the roster. Most give out about the system as it is not really transparent and also we effectively paid for it by giving up working conditions over the years. As a final measure you an swap flights or even entire rosters if you wish so long as its legal.

    Perks are what you would expect from any national carrier. Staff travel on interline carriers to pretty much anywhere in the world. All standby of course - great if your single, not much fun if you have kids in tow. Crew meals, water etc all included.

    Progression can be fast or slow depending on when you join. Like any airline with a seniority list it is invariably better to join at the beginning of a recruitment surge. All newcomers go to the rhs of the short haul fleet. Generally most would progress onto the rhs of the 330 around the 6-8 year mark. The record I heard was 18 months but I can't see that being repeated. Having said that some never see the 330 as command comes around beforehand.

    With new bases and the 757 wet lease this is creating a huge range of opportunities. Commands are coming up in LHR on the little red for those that have been in around 6-7 years. Normal average would be 10-12 years to see the LHS of the A320 in the ROI.

    Unfortunately none of us have an operational crystal ball so time will tell what the future will hold.

    Can't answer your point number two as I have no idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Staff travel on interline carriers to pretty much anywhere in the world.
    Interesting as EI stopped providing ID travel to interline airline employees some years ago, I better check if we got it back :):)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Radharc na Sleibhte


    Noob ridiculously stupid question, what are medical requirements for a pilot?
    Sight, hearing, height?


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Shamrock231


    Out of curiosity, is there a set minimum number of hours you get flying with EI, presumably the most junior FO could find it difficult to successfully bid for anything other than standby, so is there a fudge factor involved to make sure that all pilots stay current?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    The basic medical level is that of a CLASS 1 Medical certificate as defined by JAR. Then the company can apply any other restriction that they like. So if you are interested in a particular airline you should name them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Shamrock231


    smurfjed wrote: »
    The basic medical level is that of a CLASS 1 Medical certificate as defined by JAR. Then the company can apply any other restriction that they like. So if you are interested in a particular airline you should name them.

    Any specific restrictions EI apply out of curiosity?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭basill


    ID90s only Smurf with most of the national carriers around the world. On short haul flights your better off buying a confirmed ticket often not far off what the ID90 would have been.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    I actually get to work this week, deadhead to Paris tomorrow night, First Class (I hope), spend two nights in Paris and ferry an empty plane back. With our duty time regulations, one crew could operate both in the inbound and outbound flights, but that wouldn't be as much fun :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭adam88


    smurfjed wrote: »
    I actually get to work this week, deadhead to Paris tomorrow night, First Class (I hope), spend two nights in Paris and ferry an empty plane back. With our duty time regulations, one crew could operate both in the inbound and outbound flights, but that wouldn't be as much fun :)

    Why two nights in Paris. Are you on stand by???? Would it not make more sense if they flew you out that day or the night before

    Sorry if this is a stupid question???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    You are right, it would be cheaper and legal, but not as much fun for us. In the same way the inbound crew will stay until Tuesday although there is a flight back on Monday.


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