Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod request post#5808

5starpool · 03-09-2013 12:09pm

Anyone wrote: »

Hmmmm....although it worked out in the end, I wasn't too happy when we beat Blackburn in '95.

Given a similar situation(ie us beating a team hands the league to a big rival) I wouldn't be too put out if we didnt try and win.

OK, you might have me on that one specific game, and for more than just the obvious reason.

I was in first year in college at the time, and in March found a betting slip in a cupboard of a bet I put on in August. It was a £2 bet on the following teams to win their leagues:

PL: Blackburn
Div 1 (as it was then): Middlesboro
Div 2: Birmingham
SPL: Rangers

I looked at it and though "hold on, this has a chance", so I kept it in mind over the next couple of months. On the day of the Liverpool v Blackburn and WHU vs Man U games the other teams on my bet had all secured their titles. I was watching the games in the college bar and I really didn't know which way was up and what I wanted to happen. It went against everything I knew to not want Liverpool to win, so I essentially just kept nervously quiet throughout the matches hoping that West Ham would do everyone a favour.

My relief at the perfect outcome having seen Andy Cole miss chance after chance and LFC getting a win as well was massive. It was a £2 bet at odds of 387.5/1, and in 1995 for a student when a pint of beer still cost less than £2, that was huge. I had never had so much money and I was so paranoid that I got my older brother to collect the winnings as I was still just 17 (if barely) when I put on the bet in the first place.

I thought maybe I was some great football prognosticator, but it turns out I was just lucky getting it right that season. Pity I didn't stretch to a fiver

Good times.

Paulegend · 03-09-2013 12:12pm

Mickalus wrote: »

Sakho can play LB as well, replace Ilori with Sakho at LB and put Lucas or Gerrard in midfield and I'd be Ok with that team.

id just be worried about gerrard or lucas getting injured

sakho and ilori have both played left back and def mid aswell. ilori would have more pace so it depends who is on the wing.

i just think that to spite united in one game we could get an injury to either gerrard or lucas and destroy our midfield

Paulegend · 03-09-2013 12:13pm

Grayditch wrote: »

That LFC paid forum isnt the haven you might imagine.

Boards should rent out it's own little forum spaces for privats clubs of all kinds, maybe.

yea alot of the lads on here use to be on the official site. the paid forum is just rubbish though. same as here but you pay for it.

can you not just do pm chats if you want private debates? as in can you pm multiple people at once in a conversation type thing

Tusky · 03-09-2013 12:18pm

Sturridge
----Suarez

Moses

Coutiniho

Gerrard

Lucas

Enrique

Agger----Sakho----Johnson

Mingolet

BENCH: Jones, Skrtel, Toure, Llori, Cissokho, Kelly, Wisdom, Henderson, Allen, Aspas, Sterling, Ibe, Alberto

We may not have got the new top quality attacker that we needed but by my count we brought in three players that improve our first XI, to add the two (Sturridge and Coutiniho) we brought in last January. We have also improved our bench significantly. Many are probably disappointed by the lack of a marquee signing (Sakho aside) but it's probably the best approach until we get back into the top four.

qvsr46ofgc792k · 03-09-2013 12:19pm

mike65 wrote: »

Nah, Moyes will play the kids, Utd usually do in the League Cup until the quarters

United have a new manager now.
A manager who has never won a trophy before.
Id say he will play a very decent squad.

Grayditch · 03-09-2013 12:22pm

Lorelei Clever Pepperoni wrote: »

United have a new manager now.
A manager who has never won a trophy before.

Real shame, cause I thought they could have won the Carling that year.

:pac:

Paulegend · 03-09-2013 12:23pm

Tusky wrote: »

Sturridge
----Suarez
Moses
Coutiniho
Gerrard
Lucas

Enrique
Agger----Sakho----Johnson
Mingolet

We may not have got the new top quality attacker that we needed but brought in three players that improve our first XI, to add the too we brought in last January. We have also improved our bench significantly. Many are probably disappointed by the lack of a marquee signing (Sakho aside) but it's probably the best approach until we get back in the top four.

id love to see sturridge get 20 league goals for us this season. not many teams have 2 strikers who can score more than 20 goals and not finish in the top 4.

your right about waiting until we get top 4. without top 4 we almost had costa or mhky as our marquee signing. with top 4 we might get derossi alonso mash type of marquee signings. surely that type of money suits them better

Agueroooo · 03-09-2013 12:23pm

Antonio Adan has been released by Madrid and now a free agent.

why the hell aint we chasing Adan as GK backup? seeing we went after Given.

D'Agger · 03-09-2013 12:24pm

Haven't posted since the match as I was straight onto the Kerry game after...unfortunately.

Very good win against United, we were at home so 1 point was the minimum we should be expecting from that match. There are a number of reasons I was absolutely delighted when the final whistle blew though:

1) Three games, 9 points, two home games, 6 points - we need to make Anfield a fortress this season in order to do well and push for 4th and so far we've done well.

2) Mentality - people in the past have likened Rodgers to David Brent and how he talks rubbish sometimes, something he mentioned alot last year was the mentality of the squad, which was weak - too many times we threw away good positions and squandered league points that were there for the taking. In all three games this season, we've done well, setup ourselves well defensively and countered. Three clean sheets thus far would suggest that we've showed a bit of mettle in grinding out results, maybe there was an element of luck involved, but overall, we've showed steel to collect the 3 on Sunday

3) FSG came under scrutiny for being tight with spending - while we didn't get a marquee signing, we've brought in some pace and power with Moses (something Ibe & Sterling offer only one of - Sterling was bullied by Valencia physically 2nd half, I'd expect Moses to pose more of a threat) we've also signed a very strong CB in Sahko, with ILori providing cover and potential. Overall this window, we've improved the squad from a defensive & attacking POV, midfield is the only place we're somewhat bare, but even then we can be happy with the business we've done.

4) Considering we were crying out for signings, the initial squad we've started this season with have gotten us maximum points thus far, we couldn't ask for more and great credit should go to the likes of Sturridge, Henderson, Toure, Rodgers etc. for attaining that good start.

Hopefully with the additional players we've brought in, and with Suarez coming back, we can continue the good start and get some momentum going - when you consider we haven't played very well for more than 45mins, there's more to be had from this team.

I'm feeling optimistic right now and it feels....strange

segadreamcast · 03-09-2013 12:25pm

Grayditch wrote: »

In fairness, before your edit you talked about a lot of stuff you had to scroll past, I'm sure some people would feel the same about Arsenal injury worries.

Yeah, fair point well made. Thought the pre-edit was a bit harsh, but every time I read pointless back and forths on Ozil, it just comes back up...

More to the point: someone made the suggestion earlier of 3-5-2/5-3-2 now being deployed by Rodgers and, in truth, given the way our purchases have gone, I can't see around this - I think Rodgers will be deploying it in a fair few away games, with Johnson and Cissokho moving further up the wings, and Agger/Toure/Sakho in the centre. This would make sense given the purchases, and would give us sufficient options.

In terms of Suarez returning up front, I came across this which I found interesting: http://eplindex.com/30366/shot-placement-stats-michu-cisse-surez.html - it's a little dated, but I think it makes some interesting points.

EDIT: http://eplindex.com/39072/glen-johnson-injury-wisdom-vs-kelly-comparison.html - Actually this just went up today and is surely worthy of a bit of chat too - side by side of Wisdom Vs. Kelly. Wisdom didn't look too well in the last few games I saw - though in October against Reading when I saw him in Anfield he looked great... again, for the bit against United I thought he looked tricky enough and was happy, though nervous. The only thing with this stats comparison between 12 games is to take into account the difficulty level of each game played and put a weighting on that which would give a more accurate outcome... still worth a think though.

Grayditch · 03-09-2013 12:27pm

In fairness, I shouldnt take you to task on an edit. You edited it for a reason. I can see why you'd want a forum for specifically what you're after, though, I wouldn't say you're alone, there seems to have been a lot of posters dropping out of the circus.

Raif Severance · 03-09-2013 12:29pm

Why does everyone keep putting Sakho in as RCB?

Is this some Wishful Thinking or some Secret Info, I'm not privy to?

I'm not an Expert on him, in fact I've only seen him twice for PSG, but from the 2 Compilation Vids that were posted on here, you could clearly see, he is as 1-footed as Enrique.

Every Tackle he made, every Pass was done with his Left.

Now, I'm not saying that someone predominantly Left-footed can't be a success playing RCB. But surely it makes more sense to move Agger to RCB, if you really want to play him that is, than Sakho?

Besides, I highly doubt someone of Sakho's Stature would have come here, unless we've promise him the Starting LCB Position.

Paulegend · 03-09-2013 12:39pm

Raif Severance wrote: »

Why does everyone keep putting Sakho in as RCB?

Is this some Wishful Thinking or some Secret Info, I'm not privy to?

I'm not an Expert on him, in fact I've only seen him twice for PSG, but from the 2 Compilation Vids that were posted on here, you could clearly see, he is as 1-footed as Enrique.

Every Tackle he made, every Pass was done with his Left.

Now, I'm not saying that someone predominantly Left-footed can't be a success playing RCB. But surely it makes more sense to move Agger to RCB, if you really want to play him that is, than Sakho?

Besides, I highly doubt someone of Sakho's Stature would have come here, unless we've promise him the Starting LCB Position.

isnt agger just as one footed

Raif Severance · 03-09-2013 12:47pm

Paulegend wrote: »

isnt agger just as one footed

Yup.

That's why it didn't make sense to me, why many are putting them on the same Line-up.

I don't know, maybe we'll play Sakho as RCB, like many here seems to think.

But that's another Putting a Square Peg in a Round Hole Solution. Which to me, has always been one of the Problems this Club has, and I think it's high-time we move away from there.

D'Agger · 03-09-2013 12:50pm

Paulegend wrote: »

isnt agger just as one footed

I'd retract that if I were you, because you're embarrassingly incorrect

Agueroooo · 03-09-2013 12:51pm

Agger one footed? Is there some urine extraction going on here?

Dickerty · 03-09-2013 12:53pm

I love this pic. He can't help sneaking a look.

That's right, Al - it's all ours, forever...

Paulegend · 03-09-2013 12:53pm

Raif Severance wrote: »

Yup.

That's why it didn't make sense to me, why many are putting them on the same Line-up.

I don't know, maybe we'll play Sakho as RCB, like many here seems to think.

But that's another Putting a Square Peg in a Round Hole Solution. Which to me, has always been one of the Problems this Club has, and I think it's high-time we move away from there.

yea i think alot of people are over looking aggers form over teh last couple of years. yes everyone is entitled to have bad spells but thats why competition is there. i think it wouldnt be a bad thing to have Toure and Sakho partnered together. Sakho could learn from Toure and then when Toure is coming to the end of his career we can put Ilori in to take his place and Sakho will have had the couple of years of Toure's presence to mature him as a defender

i dont think skrtel and agger will be here this time next season. and just becuase they are loyal it shouldnt mean they deserve a starting spot. if anything skrtel has been a better defender in the last 3 or 4 years(overall) but because agger is a ball playing defender and has ynwa tattoed on his knuckles people dont seem to agree

noodler · 03-09-2013 12:54pm

I've always thought of Agger being one-footed.

I can't think of any examples of hand though!

Perhaps, subtle touches on his right are just being lost on me because he does his noticable stuff like passing, driving forward, shooting etc with his right.

Tusky · 03-09-2013 12:54pm

Is there any examples of top teams that play with two CD who are both left or right footed?

Paulegend · 03-09-2013 12:55pm

YES he is one footed. at least he is mostly one footed. he is a left footed player. has he ever played on the right side of the center back???

Paulegend · 03-09-2013 12:57pm

Tusky wrote: »

Is there any examples of top teams that play with two CD who are both left or right footed?

im sure there are. im sure we have played with two right footed defenders

listen i think that a left sided defender can play rcb and i said it in an earlier post

but i dont think agger is better than toure right now and if anyone is being replaced its agger

Knex* · 03-09-2013 1:00pm

Tusky wrote: »

Is there any examples of top teams that play with two CD who are both left or right footed?

Bayern have been known to play two left footed a fair bit.

Two right footed is extremely common, but you'll often find that there are right footed players who specialise in the LCB role.

Thiago Silva, Hummels, and I think Vidic are all right footed LCBs, and there are plenty more of them tbh.

Bobeagleburger · 03-09-2013 1:01pm

Just skimmed the last few pages.

Such horsesheeeeet being posted

Nuri Sahin · 03-09-2013 1:07pm

Tusky wrote: »

Is there any examples of top teams that play with two CD who are both left or right footed?

Off the top of my head

Dortmund - Hummels and Subotić
Bayern - Boetang and Dante

PSG - Thiago Silva, Alex and Marquinhos

Atleti - Godin and Miranda, can include Alderweireld now as well.
Real - Pepe, Ramos and Varene
Barca - Pique and Puyol, can include Mascherano.

Arsenal - Kosc and Mertesacker
Man United - Vidic, Rio, Evans, Smalling and Jones

All of which are right footed though.

citytillidie · 03-09-2013 1:07pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

Just skimmed the last few pages.

Such horsesheeeeet being posted

Something not right the United thread is going a lot faster

5live · 03-09-2013 1:08pm

Tusky wrote: »

Sturridge
----Suarez
Moses
Coutiniho
Gerrard
Lucas

Enrique
Agger----Sakho----Johnson
Mingolet

BENCH: Jones, Skrtel, Toure, Llori, Cissokho, Kelly, Wisdom, Henderson, Allen, Aspas, Sterling, Ibe, Alberto

We may not have got the new top quality attacker that we needed but by my count we brought in three players that improve our first XI, to add the two (Sturridge and Coutiniho) we brought in last January. We have also improved our bench significantly. Many are probably disappointed by the lack of a marquee signing (Sakho aside) but it's probably the best approach until we get back into the top four.

I dont see Sakho starting just yet. I think Toure and Agger will be starters for a while yet, if fit, until they get a bit more exposure to the way Rodgers wants to play and a bit of understanding of where the other players would/should be during the game.

And atm its looking like Agger would be the one replaced long term, imo.

And that team would be my best 11, with Toure instead of Sakho for now, until we play a strong team away. Then Henderson in for Coutinho just for his energy for defending.

Nuri Sahin · 03-09-2013 1:11pm

Completely forget about Seria A with Juve as well. Bonucci, Chiellini and Barzagli are right footed and play as part of a back three.

~Rebel~ · 03-09-2013 1:11pm

Sami Hyypia was right footed playing on the left. (Though to be fair to him, he was decent off both feet)

Vicxas · 03-09-2013 1:13pm

Reading over the last few pages,

makes me miss the transfer bull

Kess73 · 03-09-2013 1:13pm

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Off the top of my head

Dortmund - Hummels and Subotić
Bayern - Boetang and Dante

PSG - Thiago Silva, Alex and Marquinhos

Atleti - Godin and Miranda, can include Alderweireld now as well.
Real - Pepe, Ramos and Varene
Barca - Pique and Puyol, can include Mascherano.

Arsenal - Kosc and Mertesacker
Man United - Vidic, Rio, Evans, Smalling and Jones

All of which are right footed though.

Boetang and Dante are lefties, as is Badstuber.:p

Knex* · 03-09-2013 1:17pm

Jerome Boateng can use both feet, in fairness to him. Always found it very hard to peg down which one is his strongest.

Chiellini though is left footed , is he not? Bit different anyway, as Nuri said, in that he's on the left side of a 3 CB system.

SlickRic · 03-09-2013 1:23pm

maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't think this left-footed/right-footed nonsense matters a jot. it's nonsense. it can only matter if you're severely one-footed (i.e. to the point where you can barely kick a ball with your bad foot).

Nuri Sahin · 03-09-2013 1:24pm

Knex. wrote: »

Jerome Boateng can use both feet, in fairness to him. Always found it very hard to peg down which one is his strongest.

Chiellini though is left footed , is he not? Bit different anyway, as Nuri said, in that he's on the left side of a 3 CB system.

Yeah you're right according to more sources he is left footed, some other sites are saying he's ambidextrous though.

Paulegend · 03-09-2013 1:25pm

yea so i think we can all agree its not about what foot they are. any footed defender should be able to play on either sdide of defence. its just about how they throw in a tackle has to be altered. ie: a lefty is going to slide in differently than a righty on an on coming player regardless of its the right side or left. in fact a lefty on the right would stop the trailing leg from taking a man down??

but its more about who should start

toure has to start due to his early season form. he has been commanding in the role.

sakho is a big money signing and our most expensive cb ever. im sure he isnt here to warm the bench.

i think whatever about the next few games but late on in the season i see it being toure and sakho holding the defence

Jason Todd · 03-09-2013 1:32pm

Sorry if posted already...

Suarez happy to have stayed
Luis Suarez claims he decided to stay at Liverpool 'some weeks ago' and gave no thought to a late summer switch.

After arriving in South America for international duty, Suarez is quoted in the Daily Mirror as saying: "For me, it has been closed for some time. I made the decision to stay at Liverpool some weeks ago and I want to stay and work for the team from now on.

"I will go back to Liverpool to play and I hope to be the same player the fans can trust.

"I said I wanted to play in the Champions League, but when that didn't happen I knew I'd be happy with life to have my future at Liverpool."

Reports on Monday suggested that Real made a dramatic bid to land Suarez before the transfer deadline passed, but the 26-year-old says he paid little attention to the rumours.

He added: "It is closed now and I am comfortable with the decision.

"I said if there was something good I would be interested. If not, then I am happy at Liverpool. I can say now I am happy.

"Of course I am not playing. I just want to concentrate on getting ready to play for Liverpool again. It is good I will be able to play in Uruguay."

Link

audman · 03-09-2013 1:34pm

Jason Todd wrote: »

Sorry if posted already...

Link

Same goes for this, Sturridge didn't train with England. Let it stay that way

What an absolute disaster it'd be if he did more damage playing for England.

http://m.skysports.com/article/sports//8904384

LuckyLloyd · 03-09-2013 1:36pm

SlickRic wrote: »

maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't think this left-footed/right-footed nonsense matters a jot. it's nonsense. it can only matter if you're severely one-footed (i.e. to the point where you can barely kick a ball with your bad foot).

Except former pros indicate that it means something...

Dont be at yourself · 03-09-2013 1:36pm

SlickRic wrote: »

maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't think this left-footed/right-footed nonsense matters a jot. it's nonsense. it can only matter if you're severely one-footed (i.e. to the point where you can barely kick a ball with your bad foot).

This x a million

danoriordan1402 · 03-09-2013 1:41pm

audman wrote: »

Same goes for this, Sturridge didn't train with England. Let it stay that way What an absolute disaster it'd be if he did more damage playing for England.

http://m.skysports.com/article/sports//8904384

Hope he's pulled out of the squad - would be typical of Hogdson to try to get him to play 90mins.

let England start with Welbeck..

amber69 · 03-09-2013 1:51pm

Tusky wrote: »

Is there any examples of top teams that play with two CD who are both left or right footed?

John Terry plays on the left

SlickRic · 03-09-2013 1:52pm

i'd love it if Suarez would just shhhh and not say another fúcking word.

the man embarrassed us this summer. fúck him.

he is an employee who is brilliant at his job, and all i want is for us to extract the most that we can from his considerable talent before we sell him.

Paulegend · 03-09-2013 1:54pm

SlickRic wrote: »

i'd love it if Suarez would just shhhh and not say another fúcking word.

the man embarrassed us this summer. fúck him.

he is an employee who is brilliant at his job, and all i want is for us to extract the most that we can from his considerable talent before we sell him.

id love it if we got 4th or 3rd this season and signed a top class striker with the lure of champions league football then turned around and sold suarez and replaced him aswell:D

Daemonic · 03-09-2013 1:55pm

Depends on how the player likes to tackle as P.Legend said. If you're competing with a forward as you run toward your own goal, the first instinct should be to push them wide. Assuming the CB does this, if they are a leftie playing on the right, they will either need to tackle by swinging their weaker foot across (and I think most players tackle this way as a preference) or they need to tackle in the manner Gerrard did on Sunday.
Either way it may take quite a bit of adaption if they are used to playing on the left of a CB pairing.
The other option would be to allow their man on the inside, effectively guiding them toward the goal.

Mickalus · 03-09-2013 2:02pm

There was a good bit of talk about Toby Alderweireld on here for Liverpool, he ended up going to Atletico Madrid yesterday. undisclosed fee according to Sky Sports.

Grayditch · 03-09-2013 2:07pm

Mickalus wrote: »

There was a good bit of talk about Toby Alderweireld on here for Liverpool, he ended up going to Atletico Madrid yesterday. undisclosed fee according to Sky Sports.

Yeah, but Sahko.

Pepe LeFrits · 03-09-2013 2:07pm

amber69 wrote: »

John Terry plays on the left

Koscielny also plays on the left side and seems to be better there.

OwaynOTT · 03-09-2013 2:08pm

Top of th3 table ftw!

Kess73 · 03-09-2013 2:12pm

SlickRic wrote: »

maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't think this left-footed/right-footed nonsense matters a jot. it's nonsense. it can only matter if you're severely one-footed (i.e. to the point where you can barely kick a ball with your bad foot).

Course it matters.

There are far more right footed players than left footed ones. So if we look at that with regards to the centre back positions, then right footed centre backs will be used in either of the two CB a lot through their development and as senior players, but given that natural lefties are a more rare commodity they will spend more of their development and senior time playing in one specific role and as such most, imo of course, will have spent years and years being very one sided in terms of how they develop.

Even look at when we have had injuries in the full back positions, how often have you seen any of our naturally left footed defenders being used to cover a position on the right? Then think about how often we have used right footed players to cover the left hand slot.

I do agree that a professional footballer should be able to use both feet to as high a level as they are playing in the game, and I do agree that in theory a player should be able to play in a right sided or left sided position equally, but in the more specialised (and probably rigid in terms of development) positions the players who are left footed do tend, for a large number of them it would appear, to be used on one side only throughout their careers and that force of habit has to stick.

Even take other sports, the same can apply. When I was very young and started boxing I was encouraged to fight in a southpaw stance as often as I did in an orthodox stance, same thing carried over when I started to practise martial arts at the start of the 1990's. but most tend to fight out of one stance or the other, and if you took the average amatuer fighter who has fought and trained in an orthodox stance for the past ten years and told him that he was to fight his next fight in a southpaw stance then he would most likely find himself in a bit of bother.

Basically my point is that a person who is taught and trained to compete in a number of positions or stances will stand a better chance of being adaptable to change of position/stance in a competitive enviroment than the guy who has spent most of his time since he was young training/competing in the one position/stance.

asdfgh86 · 03-09-2013 2:19pm

In October 2011 when the Suarez-Evra incident brought up the issue of race and football I remember thinking how 'white' the current squad was.
Glen Johnson was the only 'black' player in the whole 26 man squad (bar Sterling who at that point had never played) We also had the skinhead quartet of Spearing, Shelvey, Skrtel and Reina roaming around Anfield which wasn't helping our image either!

Fast forward 23 months and the Liverpool squad now features: Kolo Touré, Daniel Sturridge, Glen Johnson, Aly Cissokho, Raheem Sterling, Jordon Ibe, Andre Wisdom, Jerome Sinclair, Tiago Ilori, Victor Moses and Mamadou Sakho.

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