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building milking parlour

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  • #52
    funny man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭funny man


    was on a farm last back end 22 unit no acr's milking off a stand off pad, it was something that i wouldn't like to see again. using a box of Tetra-delta every 3 weeks on 180 cows. i watched him teat-dip and i got him to look at what he was doing and he realised he was covering the back two tis at 60% and some of the front ones were barely hit. he done one row right after that and then back to high speed after that. in fairness there was no over milking as he just changed from 1-22 without waiting on some cows to finish, so you could say there was under milking. his scc were constantly over 200k and were at 450k when i was there.


  • #53
    jersey101
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    funny man wrote: »
    was on a farm last back end 22 unit no acr's milking off a stand off pad, it was something that i wouldn't like to see again. using a box of Tetra-delta every 3 weeks on 180 cows. i watched him teat-dip and i got him to look at what he was doing and he realised he was covering the back two tis at 60% and some of the front ones were barely hit. he done one row right after that and then back to high speed after that. in fairness there was no over milking as he just changed from 1-22 without waiting on some cows to finish, so you could say there was under milking. his scc were constantly over 200k and were at 450k when i was there.
    id say now if i ever get to that size parlour i will employ someone to clean cows before cups and teat spray. They could do the tail painting aswell and feed calves.


  • #54
    Viewtodiefor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Viewtodiefor


    delaval wrote: »
    Problem cows in seperate group, a few extra mins cleaning yards, cubicles etc goes a long way

    Maybe if you could give the prep and milking routine you wouldn't have the need for a problem group?


  • #55
    delaval
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭delaval


    Viewtodiefor wrote: »
    Maybe if you could give the prep and milking routine you wouldn't have the need for a problem group?

    Fresh penicillin and lame cows would be in a seperate group. A bit more attention to detail with cleanliness where cows lie and stand is a great help

    Another poster mentioned disinfection after an Scc cow, I suggest that best practice would be to have her away from main group and milked last

    No prep here and Scc sitting <140 for the year. It was a problem but a bit more attention to high traffic areas and cubicles did the trick along with culling persistent offenders


  • #56
    Viewtodiefor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Viewtodiefor


    delaval wrote: »
    Fresh penicillin and lame cows would be in a seperate group. A bit more attention to detail with cleanliness where cows lie and stand is a great help

    Another poster mentioned disinfection after an Scc cow, I suggest that best practice would be to have her away from main group and milked last

    No prep here and Scc sitting <140 for the year. It was a problem but a bit more attention to high traffic areas and cubicles did the trick along with culling persistent offenders

    I'd love to be able to get away with no prep. As it is I wash dirty ones, spray after only strip early in d year . Or if mastitis in filter. I agree clean sheds beds Etc helps. Wht bedding you use?
    This weather great all out dry n hardly any washing!


  • #57
    Viewtodiefor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Viewtodiefor


    jersey101 wrote: »
    Uncle came down today and gave me a rough estimate for the parlour. He fits fullwood parlours. For 12 units and for what i wanted he reckoned €2,500 - €3,000 a unit. That includes a pipe big enough for 20 units, a dump line, he's going to use the old milk line and pump and jars for that, a low line wash unit and swing over arms. He was recommending the swing over arms because my pit is wide and it would suit. What do ye think good price?

    I got a quote last week for a mueller tank also, for 12k it was coming in at 27k and if i wanted to put on better conpressors it was 30k, ill think ill get a better deal else were

    Jersey wht u getting new for that? What u doing wit stalls? Is it direct to line?


  • #58
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,329 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Lads what' have ye all got against technology in parlours.whatever about meters acrs are a must I think if your goibg tobyhe expense of putting in a new parlour.ive a 14 unit wit a heap of gizmos and the obe I really wouldn't be without is the acr .withoutvthem you'd proably need a second person in parlour unless you want to be tearing up and down the pit like a blue arse fly.no over milking and prep work before milking done correctly.on meters they do a hell of a lot more than just record volume and conductivity.when building my parlour I wanted something that would require one person in parlour all year and that is what I got.i will milk 110 on my own in aroubd an hour once quotas go.dont know how ye lads with x breeds stop over milking from August on in 20 unit parlours with no acrs and one man milking.jersey you seem to have the nuts and bolts of ur farm(cows ,grassland etc) well in place so why not spend a few extra quid in the place where you will do most of your work and make most of your money????.


  • #59
    delaval
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭delaval


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Lads what' have ye all got against technology in parlours.whatever about meters acrs are a must I think if your goibg tobyhe expense of putting in a new parlour.ive a 14 unit wit a heap of gizmos and the obe I really wouldn't be without is the acr .withoutvthem you'd proably need a second person in parlour unless you want to be tearing up and down the pit like a blue arse fly.no over milking and prep work before milking done correctly.on meters they do a hell of a lot more than just record volume and conductivity.when building my parlour I wanted something that would require one person in parlour all year and that is what I got.i will milk 110 on my own in aroubd an hour once quotas go.dont know how ye lads with x breeds stop over milking from August on in 20 unit parlours with no acrs and one man milking.jersey you seem to have the nuts and bolts of ur farm(cows ,grassland etc) well in place so why not spend a few extra quid in the place where you will do most of your work and make most of your money????.

    I have nothing against tech, in fact I use as much as possible and am moving to edrafting from semi auto.

    Quiet honestly I cannot afford it, have bought land. I am getting out a lot of litres without it. If I stop expanding I will consider such, but will continue to take all opportunities as they appear. I have a few years to go and one piece of key land 14 acres to acquire and then an 80 point rotary fully loaded, till then I'll have to bang away with what we have


  • #60
    Viewtodiefor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Viewtodiefor


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Lads what' have ye all got against technology in parlours.whatever about meters acrs are a must I think if your goibg tobyhe expense of putting in a new parlour.ive a 14 unit wit a heap of gizmos and the obe I really wouldn't be without is the acr .withoutvthem you'd proably need a second person in parlour unless you want to be tearing up and down the pit like a blue arse fly.no over milking and prep work before milking done correctly.on meters they do a hell of a lot more than just record volume and conductivity.when building my parlour I wanted something that would require one person in parlour all year and that is what I got.i will milk 110 on my own in aroubd an hour once quotas go.dont know how ye lads with x breeds stop over milking from August on in 20 unit parlours with no acrs and one man milking.jersey you seem to have the nuts and bolts of ur farm(cows ,grassland etc) well in place so why not spend a few extra quid in the place where you will do most of your work and make most of your money????.

    They let them over milk Mahoney
    They run up and down d parlour it's addictive I've done it! Wait till they are 50! And the knees n hips collapse! What's saved now will be spen on the replacements ( oh wait there's another thread about paying for health ins but lets not go there! )
    Second herd for to justify the running!


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  • #61
    delaval
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭delaval


    Viewtodiefor wrote: »
    I'd love to be able to get away with no prep. As it is I wash dirty ones, spray after only strip early in d year . Or if mastitis in filter. I agree clean sheds beds Etc helps. Wht bedding you use?
    This weather great all out dry n hardly any washing!

    I am using White rhino twice daily but installed a brisket board and this has really helped. I put in a new concrete yard beside cubicles and let cows stand for half an hour after milking to allow sphincter to close in teat after milking. I also mix in a teat conditioner to the teat spray Btw tbc is between 6 and 12 every test


  • #62
    Viewtodiefor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Viewtodiefor


    delaval wrote: »
    I am using White rhino twice daily but installed a brisket board and this has really helped. I put in a new concrete yard beside cubicles and let cows stand for half an hour after milking to allow sphincter to close in teat after milking. I also mix in a teat conditioner to the teat spray Btw tbc is between 6 and 12 every test


    What's a brisket board excuse my ignorance!


  • #63
    delaval
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭delaval


    Viewtodiefor wrote: »
    What's a brisket board excuse my ignorance!

    It's placed at the front of cubicle bed 5'6" from the step. Stops cows going up too far and soiling the bed. I'll post a pic tomorrow as I have afternoon off and will be in the yard in the am


  • #64
    jersey101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭jersey101


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Lads what' have ye all got against technology in parlours.whatever about meters acrs are a must I think if your goibg tobyhe expense of putting in a new parlour.ive a 14 unit wit a heap of gizmos and the obe I really wouldn't be without is the acr .withoutvthem you'd proably need a second person in parlour unless you want to be tearing up and down the pit like a blue arse fly.no over milking and prep work before milking done correctly.on meters they do a hell of a lot more than just record volume and conductivity.when building my parlour I wanted something that would require one person in parlour all year and that is what I got.i will milk 110 on my own in aroubd an hour once quotas go.dont know how ye lads with x breeds stop over milking from August on in 20 unit parlours with no acrs and one man milking.jersey you seem to have the nuts and bolts of ur farm(cows ,grassland etc) well in place so why not spend a few extra quid in the place where you will do most of your work and make most of your money????.

    parlour has been built for the last ten years, were using pur old 6 unit. All stall work is done and concrete work.
    On mahoneys point about tech, id live it too, bit im paying for land and trying to build it up and ive alot of money to put into housing, im bedding cows and heifers here everyday because i havent enough housing, and theres a few opportunities coming down the line that i can double my numbers, from 150 post 2015, when i get them numbers that is l. so i dont want to have a big fancy parlour in thats going to be too small and of no use to me.


  • #65
    delaval
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭delaval


    jersey101 wrote: »
    parlour has been built for the last ten years, were using pur old 6 unit. All stall work is done and concrete work.
    On mahoneys point about tech, id live it too, bit im paying for land and trying to build it up and ive alot of money to put into housing, im bedding cows and heifers here everyday because i havent enough housing, and theres a few opportunities coming down the line that i can double my numbers, from 150 post 2015, when i get them numbers that is l. so i dont want to have a big fancy parlour in thats going to be too small and of no use to me.

    Spot on Jersey, have to creep for a while. I have a farm rented with brand new facilities massive cubicle shed built in 09, and the reason I'm there you guessed the 250k shed!!!


  • #66
    KCTK
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    delaval wrote: »
    It's placed at the front of cubicle bed 5'6" from the step. Stops cows going up too far and soiling the bed. I'll post a pic tomorrow as I have afternoon off and will be in the yard in the am

    What you using for brisket board? I've got hold of a few lengths of 4 x 3 that I'm planning on screwing down tomorrow. Do you find 5'6" a good distance for incalf heifers and bigger Cows when in together?


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  • #67
    delaval
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭delaval


    KCTK wrote: »
    What you using for brisket board? I've got hold of a few lengths of 4 x 3 that I'm planning on screwing down tomorrow. Do you find 5'6" a good distance for incalf heifers and bigger Cows when in together?

    I used 20' lengths of Jfc 6" drainage pipes. 5'6" was suggested dont know measurement for heifs of large hols


  • #68
    jersey101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭jersey101


    Just doing a few sums while i was milking,
    By the time i put in new parlour and bulk tank and feeders it will have cost me 7,133 a unit to build parlour, inc. Conc, rails, machine , tank, feeders.
    Now if i put in pig feeders i can bring this price down to 6,333.

    Seeing as i have a diet feeder, should i put in the batch feeders?


  • #69
    Viewtodiefor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Viewtodiefor


    jersey101 wrote: »
    Just doing a few sums while i was milking,
    By the time i put in new parlour and bulk tank and feeders it will have cost me 7,133 a unit to build parlour, inc. Conc, rails, machine , tank, feeders.
    Now if i put in pig feeders i can bring this price down to 6,333.

    Seeing as i have a diet feeder, should i put in the batch feeders?


    Jersey what exactly are you getting for 2590-3000 per unit ? Seems pricy to me


  • #70
    jersey101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭jersey101


    Viewtodiefor wrote: »
    Jersey what exactly are you getting for 2590-3000 per unit ? Seems pricy to me

    pipe to big enough for 20 units, swing over arms, low line wash and a dump line.

    That was a rough estimate but accurate enough id reckon.

    Any one else able to tell me what they paid per unit for it.


  • #71
    delaval
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭delaval


    jersey101 wrote: »
    pipe to big enough for 20 units, swing over arms, low line wash and a dump line.

    That was a rough estimate but accurate enough id reckon.

    Any one else able to tell me what they paid per unit for it.

    20 unit s/h 8k with electric work done
    Tank s/h 15k
    3k other bits
    Fitted into 4 span shed


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  • #72
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,394 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Viewtodies figures here said alot about the cost of a new 10unit parlour: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85529902&postcount=7

    23000grand for a 10unit with 8000 of a grant, so that works out at 1500/unit after the grant.


  • #73
    jersey101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭jersey101


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Viewtodies figures here said alot about the cost of a new 10unit parlour: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85529902&postcount=7

    23000grand for a 10unit with 8000 of a grant, so that works out at 1500/unit after the grant.
    Ye sorry didnt mention that my figure was before grant. Were getting the proper figure for the parlour this week, id be hoping for it to be coming in below 2,700.

    I wont be going second del, thats for sure, by the time ye have it taken out and put back in it will still cost a good bit.


  • #74
    Viewtodiefor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Viewtodiefor


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Viewtodies figures here said alot about the cost of a new 10unit parlour: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85529902&postcount=7

    23000grand for a 10unit with 8000 of a grant, so that works out at 1500/unit after the grant.

    Tnks Tim saves me writing it up again. Feed troughs included in that.


  • #75
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,394 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    jersey101 wrote: »
    On mahoneys point about tech, id live it too, bit im paying for land and trying to build it up and ive alot of money to put into housing, im bedding cows and heifers here everyday because i havent enough housing, and theres a few opportunities coming down the line that i can double my numbers, from 150 post 2015, when i get them numbers that is l. so i dont want to have a big fancy parlour in thats going to be too small and of no use to me.

    I personally think Leinster has alot more scope than say likes of Tipp/Cork to really ramp up milk production post quotas, there is far more tillage land up here, so good scope for either greenfield conversions, or high stocking rates of 3-4units/ha, with bought in fodder. I've heard of afew local tillage farmers who are sick of the large fluctuation in grain prices, and are very interested in forage crops for local livestock farmers. Would suit me fine.


  • #76
    Timmaay
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    jersey101 wrote: »
    I wont be going second del, thats for sure, by the time ye have it taken out and put back in it will still cost a good bit.

    I wouldnt rule it out myself. It would have to be a very fresh parlour however. But anyways, in fairness, once you can just cut the whole frame out, and transplant the lot straight into your parlour I can't see it being a huge challenge. Taking your figure of 2700, 40% grant on that drops the price down to 1600. Is that the figure with vat, or ex vat? Anyways, contrast that to dels figure of 8k for a 20unit, 400quid/unit, huge saving in fairness! Thats a decent few extra heifers paid for!


  • #77
    jersey101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭jersey101


    Timmaay wrote: »
    I wouldnt rule it out myself. It would have to be a very fresh parlour however. But anyways, in fairness, once you can just cut the whole frame out, and transplant the lot straight into your parlour I can't see it being a huge challenge. Taking your figure of 2700, 40% grant on that drops the price down to 1600. Is that the figure with vat, or ex vat? Anyways, contrast that to dels figure of 8k for a 20unit, 400quid/unit, huge saving in fairness! Thats a decent few extra heifers paid for!
    Well the big thing for me is that i can extend it to a 20 unit parlour with the bigger line, if i buy s/h i cant do that. I might never extend it to 20 units but incase i get the chance at the land beside me i have the option. Were not registerd for vat here so will be paying for that. A lad in my discussion group got a s/h 20 unit parlour with all the extras in england 3 yrs ago but he went to alotbof effort to get that,
    Sure by the time you go look at all these second hand parlours it can be a day goneand alot of them are well clapped out.


  • #78
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,329 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    jersey101 wrote: »
    parlour has been built for the last ten years, were using pur old 6 unit. All stall work is done and concrete work.
    On mahoneys point about tech, id live it too, bit im paying for land and trying to build it up and ive alot of money to put into housing, im bedding cows and heifers here everyday because i havent enough housing, and theres a few opportunities coming down the line that i can double my numbers, from 150 post 2015, when i get them numbers that is l. so i dont want to have a big fancy parlour in thats going to be too small and of no use to me.
    Around here a hell of a lot of lads are so caught up on expansion and increasing herd size and aint looking at the big picture.Why go milking mad nos just to say youve 100 cows or 200 cows and then have totally inadequate accomodation or parlours that take 2 lads to milk and 3 or 4 hours a day in the parlour.The best guys around her are `consolodating what they have for now by improving their parlour or putting adequate accomodation in lace for current nos and maby 10% more.nitrates directives still have to be followed and adhered to.Milk wont always be making 39 cen base.Extra cows mean extra cost and not nesecrally extra profit,More cows also mean more slurry storage more feed to conserve more vet costs etc.expand with caution .this country aint new zealand with its land and herd size oppurtinities never mind its climate


  • #79
    jersey101
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Around here a hell of a lot of lads are so caught up on expansion and increasing herd size and aint looking at the big picture.Why go milking mad nos just to say youve 100 cows or 200 cows and then have totally inadequate accomodation or parlours that take 2 lads to milk and 3 or 4 hours a day in the parlour.The best guys around her are `consolodating what they have for now by improving their parlour or putting adequate accomodation in lace for current nos and maby 10% more.nitrates directives still have to be followed and adhered to.Milk wont always be making 39 cen base.Extra cows mean extra cost and not nesecrally extra profit,More cows also mean more slurry storage more feed to conserve more vet costs etc.expand with caution .this country aint new zealand with its land and herd size oppurtinities never mind its climate

    but that was the reason we bought the farm. We didnt buy a farm to stey at 50 cows we bought so we could milk more.
    Thats the advantage here also i have a clean enough slate i can put accomodation for 150 cows in one area. With the parlour im not putting in the 20 units now i will only ever put them in if i get more land.
    We wouldn't have gone through the hardship of buying a farm if the figures didnt work, tge bank wouldn't have given us the loan either if they didnt either and i certainly wouldn't have gone farming if there wasnt money in it, well i enjoy it also so that has a factor.
    I dont want to be 10 years down the line and say fcuk i should have moved that tank over further. Im thinking towards the futur. Ive another 50 yrs ahead farming full time.


  • #80
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,329 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    jersey101 wrote: »
    but that was the reason we bought the farm. We didnt buy a farm to stey at 50 cows we bought so we could milk more.
    Thats the advantage here also i have a clean enough slate i can put accomodation for 150 cows in one area. With the parlour im not putting in the 20 units now i will only ever put them in if i get more land.
    We wouldn't have gone through the hardship of buying a farm if the figures didnt work, tge bank wouldn't have given us the loan either if they didnt either and i certainly wouldn't have gone farming if there wasnt money in it, well i enjoy it also so that has a factor.
    I dont want to be 10 years down the line and say fcuk i should have moved that tank over further. Im thinking towards the futur. Ive another 50 yrs ahead farming full time.
    In no way criticising you jersey as you seem to be well on the way to been a successfull dairy farmer with a good herd of cows and good grazing infrastructure but cruically little or no accomodation for 150 cows .Stand off pads need to be ruled out as you simply cant milk cows off them so you really need cubicles for 150 cows and followeers as well as slurry storage and feed space for 150.Shed is prefered option or possibly topless cubicles but with them you need even more slurry storage to catch all the rain that falls from the sky.If you had our departement inspectors or county council inspectors i shudder to think what theyd make of a dairy farm with little or no slurry storage or sheds.Your first port of call would be as i said consolidation of what u have first namely get slurry storage and accomodation in place before you even consider expanding further


  • #81
    jersey101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭jersey101


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    In no way criticising you jersey as you seem to be well on the way to been a successfull dairy farmer with a good herd of cows and good grazing infrastructure but cruically little or no accomodation for 150 cows .Stand off pads need to be ruled out as you simply cant milk cows off them so you really need cubicles for 150 cows and followeers as well as slurry storage and feed space for 150.Shed is prefered option or possibly topless cubicles but with them you need even more slurry storage to catch all the rain that falls from the sky.If you had our departement inspectors or county council inspectors i shudder to think what theyd make of a dairy farm with little or no slurry storage or sheds.Your first port of call would be as i said consolidation of what u have first namely get slurry storage and accomodation in place before you even consider expanding further

    oh no dont get me wrong i know your not criticizing.
    my idea is build one big tank for the cows and just cover over the cubicles. I can do this in phases, tank next year, cubicles year after and the like. I will then have all the room i need for young stock and calving cows.
    If you look on the outdoor cubicle thread and go back a few pages you will see my idea. Ive seen these covered cubicles before and i think there a nice job


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  • #82
    Timmaay
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    [QUOTE=mahoney_j;87674577Stand off pads need to be ruled out as you simply cant milk cows off them so you really need cubicles for 150 cows and followeers as well as slurry storage and feed space for 150.[/QUOTE]

    He could split the herd, and milk the winter ladies indoors, the rest outdoors, be it a pad, topless cubicles or those covered cubicles. We always use to outwinter 10/15 drycows in a sandy sheltered paddock, access was the biggest problem we had, feeding the cows meant driving through and ploughing up other paddocks for access, but I might well extend the laneway to it in the future and use it again.


  • #83
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    delaval wrote: »
    I used 20' lengths of Jfc 6" drainage pipes. 5'6" was suggested dont know measurement for heifs of large hols

    How long have you those in I trialled it and the cows were denting and breaking them.


  • #84
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    jersey101 wrote: »
    Well the big thing for me is that i can extend it to a 20 unit parlour with the bigger line, if i buy s/h i cant do that. I might never extend it to 20 units but incase i get the chance at the land beside me i have the option. Were not registerd for vat here so will be paying for that. A lad in my discussion group got a s/h 20 unit parlour with all the extras in england 3 yrs ago but he went to alotbof effort to get that,
    Sure by the time you go look at all these second hand parlours it can be a day goneand alot of them are well clapped out.

    Put in a 14 unit here with all new pipelines/pulsators/stainless steel pans/20 unit stallwork and kerbing for 16,000 installed, milking machine lads are absolutley creaming it, the real winners in all the expansion post 2015 will be these boys its basically daylight robbery.


  • #85
    delaval
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭delaval


    keep going wrote: »
    How long have you those in I trialled it and the cows were denting and breaking them.

    This is the first year.


  • #86
    delaval
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭delaval


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Around here a hell of a lot of lads are so caught up on expansion and increasing herd size and aint looking at the big picture.Why go milking mad nos just to say youve 100 cows or 200 cows and then have totally inadequate accomodation or parlours that take 2 lads to milk and 3 or 4 hours a day in the parlour.The best guys around her are `consolodating what they have for now by improving their parlour or putting adequate accomodation in lace for current nos and maby 10% more.nitrates directives still have to be followed and adhered to.Milk wont always be making 39 cen base.Extra cows mean extra cost and not nesecrally extra profit,More cows also mean more slurry storage more feed to conserve more vet costs etc.expand with caution .this country aint new zealand with its land and herd size oppurtinities never mind its climate

    When an opportunity presents itself you MUST take it. If I hadn't driven on cow numbers and did without buildings I wouldn't have been able to pay for the land and quota I bought.

    There are absolutely loads of opportunities in Ireland if you look in the right places with an open mind, but if a person wants to play safe there is a good living to be made either way. Putting an add on the Journal as I see some doing is a waste of time. Depends on your make up and your goals I suppose


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    KCTK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭KCTK


    jersey101 wrote: »
    Were not registerd for vat here so will be paying for that.

    Don't forget even though your not registered you will be claiming all the vat back on this parlour so the cost ex vat is your real cost.


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    jersey101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭jersey101


    Any way back to the other question i had, would i be aswell to put in batch feeders seeing as i have a diet feeder or buy better feeders?


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    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,329 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    delaval wrote: »
    When an opportunity presents itself you MUST take it. If I hadn't driven on cow numbers and did without buildings I wouldn't have been able to pay for the land and quota I bought.

    There are absolutely loads of opportunities in Ireland if you look in the right places with an open mind, but if a person wants to play safe there is a good living to be made either way. Putting an add on the Journal as I see some doing is a waste of time. Depends on your make up and your goals I suppose

    Agree re opportunities and taking them but in taking extra land you have yo look at the extra cow nos,slurry storage,accommodation,milking facilities etc.i would regard myself as optimistic and open minded as regards expansion and taking a chance or 2 but it will be a thought out and well judged one.i don't want to be a slave to the job and slave to the banks.nitrates directives is a big concern when expanding in this country and when I hear story's here and else where about how people out winter cows etc I cringe to think how they'd get on if any of our north tipp inspectors carried out any farm inspections.you need sheds and slurry storage for your required no of cows end of .timmay made a good point earlier that ye lads in the east have much more opportunities for expansion with all the tillage land.in this part of the country it's a different kettle of fish,land is gold and scarce and makes up to 300 an acre .i wouldn't pay that to loose money on it even though I have a fairly efficiently ran dairy farm.thsts a lot of the reason I seem to have different views than some of u guys.i have my milking block,fertile land ,dry land and facalaties in place to stock it at 3.5 Lu per he.


  • #90
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,329 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    jersey101 wrote: »
    Any way back to the other question i had, would i be aswell to put in batch feeders seeing as i have a diet feeder or buy better feeders?

    Parlour feeders of some sort definetly jersey.either that or cows will have to be feed at feed rail daily and diet feeder will be going all year.


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  • #91
    td5man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,081 ✭✭✭td5man


    keep going wrote: »
    How long have you those in I trialled it and the cows were denting and breaking them.

    Water main would be a better job , wouldnt be cheap though.


  • #92
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,394 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    jersey101 wrote: »
    Any way back to the other question i had, would i be aswell to put in batch feeders seeing as i have a diet feeder or buy better feeders?

    What is the most milk your cows give, and whats the average? I have a large mix of cows giving out between 4k and 8klitres, my feed to yeild is done with 20yr old fully manual cashman feeders, but totally necessary for me. However uf your looking for a 5/6k grass based cow moving forward, I'd throw in batch feeders and flog the diet feeder.


  • #93
    jersey101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭jersey101


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Parlour feeders of some sort definetly jersey.either that or cows will have to be feed at feed rail daily and diet feeder will be going all year.

    ye atm were using buckets, put the meal down first and then bring them in, i wouldn't have a hope getting cows up in the parlour with 12 troughs full of meal. The only thing is if ive an odd number in the parlour, say 8 how do i feed them 8 cows? And you cant individualy feed the wonter cows either


  • #94
    jersey101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭jersey101


    Timmaay wrote: »
    What is the most milk your cows give, and whats the average? I have a large mix of cows giving out between 4k and 8klitres, my feed to yeild is done with 20yr old fully manual cashman feeders, but totally necessary for me. However uf your looking for a 5/6k grass based cow moving forward, I'd throw in batch feeders and flog the diet feeder.

    herd average at the moment is at 5,500, not recording so some cows cpuld be doing more but id reckon 22 would abput tops in winter or summer


  • #95
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,329 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    jersey101 wrote: »
    herd average at the moment is at 5,500, not recording so some cows cpuld be doing more but id reckon 22 would abput tops in winter or summer

    At an average of 5500 litres andvit saying a peak of 22 I'd say your selling yourself short jersey.you could have cows doing anything from 18 up to 30 plus at peak I reckon.barch feeders would be the cheapest (well if you discount bucketing it in ur self!!)but all cows have to be fed the same amount.on the uneven last row not much you can do bar do what I did put another chute on the bin so you can manually take a bucket or 2 out at a time and manually put meal in trough.vatch feeders in a say 20 unit could be setup up with a handle to drop feed in first 10 and then second 10 or 4 fives or whatever u wish.whatever u go for I think feeders are a must in the parlour.was in greenfield earlier this year and through the spring the 2 boys there manually fed 150 tonnes with barrow and buckets in collecting yard,hardly sustainable.


  • #96
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,329 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    jersey101 wrote: »
    herd average at the moment is at 5,500, not recording so some cows cpuld be doing more but id reckon 22 would abput tops in winter or summer

    At an average of 5500 litres andvit saying a peak of 22 I'd say your selling yourself short jersey.you could have cows doing anything from 18 up to 30 plus at peak I reckon.barch feeders would be the cheapest (well if you discount bucketing it in ur self!!)but all cows have to be fed the same amount.on the uneven last row not much you can do bar do what I did put another chute on the bin so you can manually take a bucket or 2 out at a time and manually put meal in trough.vatch feeders in a say 20 unit could be setup up with a handle to drop feed in first 10 and then second 10 or 4 fives or whatever u wish.whatever u go for I think feeders are a must in the parlour.was in greenfield earlier this year and through the spring the 2 boys there manually fed 150 tonnes with barrow and buckets in collecting yard,hardly sustainable.


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  • #97
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    td5man wrote: »
    Water main would be a better job , wouldnt be cheap though.

    Know some else that used wavin and it worked out ok


  • #98
    Timmaay
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    At an average of 5500 litres andvit saying a peak of 22 I'd say your selling yourself short jersey.you could have cows doing anything from 18 up to 30 plus at peak I reckon.

    Definitely, I'm about 5500 delivered also, best cow did 40L at peak, and afew other knocking out about 35L. That lady with the 40L did have fairly poor solids however, despite me pumping 8kg/day nuts into her! God knows what state she'd be in if I wasn't feeding her the extra nuts! You don't have jars in the parlour I take it Jersey either? Milk recording would be of massive massive benefit to you, at least the 4 times a year. I have someone in recorded every month, each cows yields, BF, P, Lactose and SCC get recorded for that full day, gives you a very good snapshot of what each cow is doing. Only one thing I'd say against milk recording is it does appear to consistently overestimate milk volume, by about 500L/cow against bulk tank volume.


  • #99
    jersey101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭jersey101


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Definitely, I'm about 5500 delivered also, best cow did 40L at peak, and afew other knocking out about 35L. That lady with the 40L did have fairly poor solids however, despite me pumping 8kg/day nuts into her! God knows what state she'd be in if I wasn't feeding her the extra nuts! You don't have jars in the parlour I take it Jersey either? Milk recording would be of massive massive benefit to you, at least the 4 times a year. I have someone in recorded every month, each cows yields, BF, P, Lactose and SCC get recorded for that full day, gives you a very good snapshot of what each cow is doing. Only one thing I'd say against milk recording is it does appear to consistently overestimate milk volume, by about 500L/cow against bulk tank volume.

    nope no jars here either.ye were signed uo to recording here now, your man is supposed to comd over some day
    soon


  • #100
    quader
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭quader


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Put in a 14 unit here with all new pipelines/pulsators/stainless steel pans/20 unit stallwork and kerbing for 16,000 installed, milking machine lads are absolutley creaming it, the real winners in all the expansion post 2015 will be these boys its basically daylight robbery.

    jaymla627 where did u source a machine for that money


  • #101
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    quader wrote: »
    jaymla627 where did u source a machine for that money

    Of a lad down in carrick that does milfois parlours, if the cost of the stallwork (3,000) stainless steel pans (4,200) plus stainless kerbing (1,000) wasnt included the actual cost of the parlour was 7,800 euro fitted with all new pipelines/pulsation/ and all new rubberwear with the clusters/milk pump/ and vaccum pump which was only a year old being the only secondhand parts.
    Once you dont go for acrs/swingover arms/ and all that other fancy gear you can put in a parlour pretty right and if going secondhand with some new bits like milkline/pulsators a 1,000 a unit is achieveable.


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