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UKIP doner very upset about women wearing trousers

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    #32
    TheUsual
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    Only Jessica Alba can wear assless leather chaps.


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    #33
    mike65
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    Death and Taxes wrote: »
    They recieved almost 25% of all votes cast in the last local elections, hardly insignificant.

    They didn't they got 22% of votes cast where they stood, they have 201 seats of 21,259! They gained most of them in this recent elections but so what? You have the Tories running about like a fire was lit under them for no good reason, come the next general election Ukip will win a handful of seats if they are lucky.


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    #34
    SeanW
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    Wow, party supporter has nutty views ... what a shocker.

    This sounds like a "Hitler was a vegetarian ..." type story, and coming from the Guardian it's not really a surprise.


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    #35
    Femme_Fatale
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    SeanW wrote: »
    Wow, party supporter has nutty views ... what a shocker.

    This sounds like a "Hitler was a vegetarian ..." type story, and coming from the Guardian it's not really a surprise.
    It's on the Daily Mail too though. Not sure such nutty views are as easily found in all political parties really. And it doesn't look good for the party either, in my opinion.


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    #36
    SeanW
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    It's on the Daily Mail too though. Not sure such nutty views are as easily found in all political parties really. And it doesn't look good for the party either, in my opinion.
    Actually, I'm fairly sure you will find fruitcakes all over the political spectrum.

    For example, former minister in the Treasury (Labour) Stephen Timms credited Islam with intimidating secular commentators into silence.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/4387596/Labour-does-do-God-says-Stephen-Timms.html wrote:
    He said it is wrong to believe that religious belief is dying out, and credited Britain's growing Muslim population with raising the public profile of all faiths because secular commentators are afraid to criticise them.
    And that's a good thing?

    But yet I didn't see anyone using this as a stick to beat the Labour party as religious whackjobs.

    But UKIP and Nigel Farage in particular have been accused of being misogynists because Mr. F went to (and enjoyed visiting) lap dancing clubs.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/24/farage-lap-dancing-anti-women
    Make no mistake: the Greek mans view in the OP is crazy: if a woman wants to dress in manly clothes that's none of his business.

    But its equally insane, IMO that Nigel F. should have to answer charges being "anti women" or anything else because he has visited lap dancing bars. And in my mind anyone who would make such a charge is equally as out of line as the doner in the OP. Yet such people could probably be found in their droves in left wing parties like the Liberal Democrats and possibly a few others.

    Additionally, while policies that are flat out misadrist equal in craziness (if not worse) to the Greek tycoons view are held as policy throughout entire nations.

    Yet only UKIP gets criticised for having the odd nutty supporter?


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    #37
    Foxhound38
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    SeanW wrote: »
    Actually, I'm fairly sure you will find fruitcakes all over the political spectrum.

    For example, former minister in the Treasury (Labour) Stephen Timms credited Islam with intimidating secular commentators into silence.
    And that's a good thing?

    But yet I didn't see anyone using this as a stick to beat the Labour party as religious whackjobs.

    But UKIP and Nigel Farage in particular have been accused of being misogynists because Mr. F went to (and enjoyed visiting) lap dancing clubs.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/24/farage-lap-dancing-anti-women
    Make no mistake: the Greek mans view in the OP is crazy: if a woman wants to dress in manly clothes that's none of his business.

    But its equally insane, IMO that Nigel F. should have to answer charges being "anti women" or anything else because he has visited lap dancing bars. And in my mind anyone who would make such a charge is equally as out of line as the doner in the OP. Yet such people could probably be found in their droves in left wing parties like the Liberal Democrats and possibly a few others.

    Additionally, while policies that are flat out misadrist equal in craziness (if not worse) to the Greek tycoons view are held as policy throughout entire nations.

    Yet only UKIP gets criticised for having the odd nutty supporter?

    Could trousers really be described as "manly" clothes these days?

    And which misandrist policies are you talking about?


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    #38
    Capt'n Midnight
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    mike65 wrote: »
    They didn't they got 22% of votes cast where they stood, they have 201 seats of 21,259! They gained most of them in this recent elections but so what? You have the Tories running about like a fire was lit under them for no good reason, come the next general election Ukip will win a handful of seats if they are lucky.
    That's the beauty of first past the post.

    The Green party can pull in a million votes and get 2 MEPs elected on a regular basis.

    In Westminister they've only ever won one seat out of 570


    first past the post means the seats you get is proportional to an exponential of your share of the votes


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    #39
    hooradiation
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    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    And which misandrist policies are you talking about?

    Oh this'll be good.

    Let's see what's through the bullshit door today.


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    #40
    Seaneh
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    Greek Döner is mistrustful Gyros.
    :pac:


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    SeanW
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    Well, lets take a look at Scandinavia+Iceland ... given some of the laws on the books there you would be forgiven for thinking it was like Saudi Arabia or the Bible Belt in the U.S. The "Swedish model" on prostitution is pervasive, deriving as it does from hard Left feminism. Lap dancing clubs and in store porn sales are banned in Iceland for the same reasons and we've had the farcical situation where the government there wants to censor the Internet like in Saudi Arabia or China.

    Also plans throughout Europe for gender quotas in politics and private employment are hot issues.

    I put it to you that these are as extreme, overbearing and a lot more hateful than anything Demetri Marchessini or any UKIP supporter can come out with, it's just hateful overbearing and extreme in a different direction.

    My central point is that UKIP is not alone in being supported by cranks. Whether it's Stephen Timms (Labour) who thinks it's a good thing that radical Islam has intimidated secular commentators into silence, "Red" Ken Livingstone who doesn't like Jews very much, radical feminists and probably many others with crazy and extreme views, fruitcakes are all over the political spectrum and exist in all walks of life.

    But we don't judge the UK Labour party by the standards of those two, nor do we judge other parties by the few cranks that show up in the ranks of their supporters.


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    #42
    Zebra3
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    Sure big swing.

    In Britain, Labour had a war criminal as their leader for years.


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    #43
    Grayson
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    This story does seem like UKIP bashing. Why make the link in the first place? What's this guys book got to do with UKIP?


    The headline might as well read "coffee drinker holds outdated views on making the bed".

    Didn't two women who were former high ranking members of the UKIP say that sexism is endemic?

    Besides, the guys who usually rant about how foreigners should go home are generally the first to say that women belong in the home.


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    #44
    Grayson
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    Besides, his whole argument was that women are wearing trousers to make their arse unattractive. Am I the only person who thinks you can appreciate an arse more when it's in trousers?

    And has he never seen those yoga pants/leggings girls wear nowadays.


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    #45
    Seaneh
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    Grayson wrote: »
    Besides, his whole argument was that women are wearing trousers to make their arse unattractive. Am I the only person who thinks you can appreciate an arse more when it's in trousers?

    And has he never seen those yoga pants/leggings girls wear nowadays.

    Yoga pants are one of the greatest fashion trends ever.


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    Roger_007
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    Death and Taxes wrote: »
    They recieved almost 25% of all votes cast in the last local elections, hardly insignificant.
    That is just spin. They received 25% of the votes in the seats they contested.


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    #47
    Seaneh
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    Roger_007 wrote: »
    That is just spin. They received 25% of the votes in the seats they contested.

    Yup, and in a general elections they wouldn't have gained a single seat in the parliament.


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    #48
    Rascasse
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    Roger_007 wrote: »
    That is just spin. They received 25% of the votes in the seats they contested.

    Well Wikipedia says they polled 23% of the the popular vote, which suggests to me that 23% of votes cast that day were for UKIP.

    They were projected to gain around 50 seats, in the end they gained nearly 150, no spin there.


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    Roger_007
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    Rascasse wrote: »
    Well Wikipedia says they polled 23% of the the popular vote, which suggests to me that 23% of votes cast that day were for UKIP.

    They were projected to gain around 50 seats, in the end they gained nearly 150, no spin there.
    Your faith in Wikipedia is touching.:rolleyes:


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    #50
    Rascasse
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    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Your faith in Wikipedia is touching.:rolleyes:
    Well do you have another source beyond the rolls eye smiley? In 2013 Wikipedia is generally well sourced when it comes to these types of articles.

    Anyway, I'll do you a favour an provide more sources that a two second Google provides:
    Ukip emerged as the big winner from the 2013 local council elections after the party polled around a quarter of all votes cast to emerge as a major challenger on the national political stage.
    England's shire county councils have a strikingly different face this weekend, after almost a quarter of those voting in the local elections opted for Ukip to represent them,

    Are you able to muster anything more than a smiley?
    Seaneh wrote: »
    Yup, and in a general elections they wouldn't have gained a single seat in the parliament.
    That's due to first past the post. I wouldn't be surprised if they got a seat or two if there was an election tomorrow. After all the Greens have no national profile yet Caroline Lucas was elected in Brighton and there are independents that get seats (George Galloway, Martin Bell).


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    #51
    Pumpkinseeds
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    People are disillusioned with the other parties and the economy is in a mess. Extremist parties like UKIP give the voters an opportunity to vent about Johnny immigrant and they're attact a certain type who still believe that England should be for the English:rolleyes:


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    #52
    hooradiation
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    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    People are disillusioned with the other parties and the economy is in a mess. Extremist parties like UKIP give the voters an opportunity to vent about Johnny immigrant and they're attact a certain type who still believe that England should be for the English:rolleyes:

    I'd love to see them defined Englishness somehow.
    The best part will be watching them try to reconcile a definition that that doesn't involve 90% of the party having to pack their backs and go back where they came from with the fact that it'd also mean "dem immigants" as as English as they are.


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