UKIP doner very upset about women wearing trousers

Foxhound38

https://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/may/17/ukip-donor-women-hostile-trousers

Looks like someone has his panties in a bunch over nothing...

Jaysus, we complain about some of the lunatics we have in the Dail here - at least something along the lines of UKIP isn't on the scene (well, much anyway - they did briefly intervene in the Lisbon referendum here)!

Yakult

How petty..

Cool_CM

I read that as being UKIP Döner.

Foxhound38

Cool_CM wrote: »

I read that as being UKIP Döner.

That's turkish food made by foreigners - UKIP wouldn't have anything to do with it :pac:

Iwasfrozen

Any one else have firefox block the site?

mike65

Ukip like all new(ish) parties that suddenly expand have any number of nutters eccentrics and loons within their number. It'll take another electoral cycle to flush them back out.

Fratton Fred

Google chrome won't let me visit that site.

Fratton Fred

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Google chrome won't let me visit that site.

take off the s from https

c_man

Can't open that link. Maybe my browser has had enough of the Guardian's coverage of UKIP?

Hoop66

These UKIP turds are being touted as some kind of new force in British politics.

They're not, they're the same old protest vote from a bunch of angry little-englanders. So they got a few councillors elected, big deal. Most of them were obviously insane, and a few weeks on the council finding out they're not "cleaning up England", but in fact arguing with twats about bin collections, they'll soon fuck off.

Cool_CM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

That's turkish food made by foreigners - UKIP wouldn't have anything to do with it :pac:

Bet they love drinking "English" tea though:pac:

Foxhound38

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Any one else have firefox block the site?

I did at the beginning, but it's just the guardian

Robbo

mike65 wrote: »

Ukip like all new(ish) parties that suddenly expand have any number of nutters eccentrics and loons within their number. It'll take another electoral cycle to flush them back out.

The crazy train stops for nobody whilst the likes of "Lord" Monckton are still aboard.

Also, in before someone spams up Nigel's "who do you think you are" video and pretends that it actually means anything more than "old man yells at cloud".

Duggy747

He should set an example and wear a skirt.

Or chapless leather pants.

Capt'n Midnight

And the guy's name is Demetri Marchessini a good AngloSaxon name if ever there was on.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326011/Women-wear-trousers-deliberately-making-unattractive-says-UKIPs-new-donor-cash-strapped-party-issues-plea-funds.html

He is the author of a book entitled Women In Trousers: A Rear View in which he photographed women from behind and then commented on their clothes.

Solair

Safari queried the validity of its certificate too and checked if I really wanted to continue to visit the site.

Seriously, that guy's views are ridiculous and offensive. It's like suggesting that guys should only wear muscle tops and speedos as to do otherwise is offensive to women who like to admire them.

I'm a bloke and I find his views just utterly absurd. People don't walk around all day to give other people a bit of sexual gratification.

As for UKIP, they'll just split the tory vote anyway and result in Labour getting back in then the Tories, much like that robot on Terminator 2 will merge back together again and try and fight an election in 2020 or so.

Fratton Fred

People are angry with the Tories because of austerity, given up with the liberals and still haven't forgiven labour, so they voted UKIP, the thinking person's bnp.

UKIP's popularity will last as long in the UK as the united left alliance here.

Foxhound38

Some of the comments on the Mail article are gas!

"Is this a smear campaign against the UKIP by the CONservatives/LIMPdems/LIEbor Party, are they trying to get the women voters riled up, because it won't work, same as the organised bully tactics against the UKIP didn't work, UKIP WILL WIN the next election, so I suggest the CONservatives, the LIMPdems and the LIEbor Parties concentrate more on their Policies and less on childish plans to discredit the UKIP, you're not at school now you know!"

Did you hear that lads? UKIP is bloody well going TO WIN the next UK election! I'm off to Paddy Power, he's gonna make me a rich man!

Tabnabs

Meanwhile, in Edinburgh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w65VhJi9jWU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CODZsA_wr4k

Death and Taxes

Hoop66 wrote: »

These UKIP turds are being touted as some kind of new force in British politics.

They're not, they're the same old protest vote from a bunch of angry little-englanders. So they got a few councillors elected, big deal. Most of them were obviously insane, and a few weeks on the council finding out they're not "cleaning up England", but in fact arguing with twats about bin collections, they'll soon fuck off.

They recieved almost 25% of all votes cast in the last local elections, hardly insignificant.

Tabnabs

Death and Taxes wrote: »

They recieved almost 25% of all votes cast in the last local elections, hardly insignificant.

25% of an extremely low turn out. The Green Party in England and Wales (who?!) have more elected representatives than UKIP.

Pherekydes

Daily Fail headline:

Right Wing Donor In Stupid Statement Shocker!

Hoop66

Death and Taxes wrote: »

They recieved almost 25% of all votes cast in the last local elections, hardly insignificant.

25% of a turnout in the low 30s percent. As I said, a protest vote. They won 147 out of a possible 1124 seats, so not really a revolution.

This happens every few years in UK local elections, cf the BNP a few years ago, although their "success" was slightly less dramatic and they don't have anyone as media friendly as Farage. Speaking of the BNP, how many of their seats have they held on to? Not strictly relevant, it just gives me a warm feeling to remember...

I'm prepared to bet UKIP will not win a single seat in the 2015 general election. In fact, I'm going to a well-known betting exchange right now to see if I can find a frustrated little-englander that thinks they will.

ScumLord

This story does seem like UKIP bashing. Why make the link in the first place? What's this guys book got to do with UKIP?


The headline might as well read "coffee drinker holds outdated views on making the bed".

Pherekydes

ScumLord wrote: »

This story does seem like UKIP bashing. Why make the link in the first place? What's this guys book got to do with UKIP?

Because he's a doner [sic].

UKIP: full of kebabs.

ScumLord

Pherekydes wrote: »

Because he's a doner [sic].

UKIP: full of kebabs.

You'd find the same level of looney in every parties supporters I'm sure.

Foxhound38

ScumLord wrote: »

You'd find the same level of looney in every parties supporters I'm sure.

In fairness, it would be difficult to find that level of looneyness outside UKIP and the Monster Raving Looney Party

Femme_Fatale

"The interesting thing about this phenomenon is that, because women cannot see themselves from the rear, the vast majority of women are unaware that trousers are very unflattering to them."

What if she's 20 stone? Skirt or plain black trousers?

Chuck Stone

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

What if she's 20 stone? Skirt or plain black trousers?

Assless leather chaps.

Femme_Fatale

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

"The interesting thing about this phenomenon is that, because women cannot see themselves from the rear, the vast majority of women are unaware that trousers are very unflattering to them."

What if she's 20 stone? Skirt or plain black trousers?

Then she's not doing her best to look attractive to men HOW DARE SHE :mad::mad::mad:

Legs.Eleven

Trooooooousers!

TheUsual

Only Jessica Alba can wear assless leather chaps.

mike65

Death and Taxes wrote: »

They recieved almost 25% of all votes cast in the last local elections, hardly insignificant.

They didn't they got 22% of votes cast where they stood, they have 201 seats of 21,259! They gained most of them in this recent elections but so what? You have the Tories running about like a fire was lit under them for no good reason, come the next general election Ukip will win a handful of seats if they are lucky.

SeanW

Wow, party supporter has nutty views ... what a shocker.

This sounds like a "Hitler was a vegetarian ..." type story, and coming from the Guardian it's not really a surprise.

Femme_Fatale

SeanW wrote: »

Wow, party supporter has nutty views ... what a shocker.

This sounds like a "Hitler was a vegetarian ..." type story, and coming from the Guardian it's not really a surprise.

It's on the Daily Mail too though. Not sure such nutty views are as easily found in all political parties really. And it doesn't look good for the party either, in my opinion.

SeanW

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It's on the Daily Mail too though. Not sure such nutty views are as easily found in all political parties really. And it doesn't look good for the party either, in my opinion.

Actually, I'm fairly sure you will find fruitcakes all over the political spectrum.

For example, former minister in the Treasury (Labour) Stephen Timms credited Islam with intimidating secular commentators into silence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/4387596/Labour-does-do-God-says-Stephen-Timms.html wrote:

He said it is wrong to believe that religious belief is dying out, and credited Britain's growing Muslim population with raising the public profile of all faiths because secular commentators are afraid to criticise them.

And that's a good thing?

But yet I didn't see anyone using this as a stick to beat the Labour party as religious whackjobs.

But UKIP and Nigel Farage in particular have been accused of being misogynists because Mr. F went to (and enjoyed visiting) lap dancing clubs.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/24/farage-lap-dancing-anti-women
Make no mistake: the Greek mans view in the OP is crazy: if a woman wants to dress in manly clothes that's none of his business.

But its equally insane, IMO that Nigel F. should have to answer charges being "anti women" or anything else because he has visited lap dancing bars. And in my mind anyone who would make such a charge is equally as out of line as the doner in the OP. Yet such people could probably be found in their droves in left wing parties like the Liberal Democrats and possibly a few others.

Additionally, while policies that are flat out misadrist equal in craziness (if not worse) to the Greek tycoons view are held as policy throughout entire nations.

Yet only UKIP gets criticised for having the odd nutty supporter?

Foxhound38

SeanW wrote: »

Actually, I'm fairly sure you will find fruitcakes all over the political spectrum.

For example, former minister in the Treasury (Labour) Stephen Timms credited Islam with intimidating secular commentators into silence.
And that's a good thing?

But yet I didn't see anyone using this as a stick to beat the Labour party as religious whackjobs.

But UKIP and Nigel Farage in particular have been accused of being misogynists because Mr. F went to (and enjoyed visiting) lap dancing clubs.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/24/farage-lap-dancing-anti-women
Make no mistake: the Greek mans view in the OP is crazy: if a woman wants to dress in manly clothes that's none of his business.

But its equally insane, IMO that Nigel F. should have to answer charges being "anti women" or anything else because he has visited lap dancing bars. And in my mind anyone who would make such a charge is equally as out of line as the doner in the OP. Yet such people could probably be found in their droves in left wing parties like the Liberal Democrats and possibly a few others.

Additionally, while policies that are flat out misadrist equal in craziness (if not worse) to the Greek tycoons view are held as policy throughout entire nations.

Yet only UKIP gets criticised for having the odd nutty supporter?

Could trousers really be described as "manly" clothes these days?

And which misandrist policies are you talking about?

Capt'n Midnight

mike65 wrote: »

They didn't they got 22% of votes cast where they stood, they have 201 seats of 21,259! They gained most of them in this recent elections but so what? You have the Tories running about like a fire was lit under them for no good reason, come the next general election Ukip will win a handful of seats if they are lucky.

That's the beauty of first past the post.

The Green party can pull in a million votes and get 2 MEPs elected on a regular basis.

In Westminister they've only ever won one seat out of 570


first past the post means the seats you get is proportional to an exponential of your share of the votes

hooradiation

Foxhound38 wrote: »

And which misandrist policies are you talking about?

Oh this'll be good.

Let's see what's through the bullshit door today.

Seaneh

Greek Döner is mistrustful Gyros.
:pac:

SeanW

Well, lets take a look at Scandinavia+Iceland ... given some of the laws on the books there you would be forgiven for thinking it was like Saudi Arabia or the Bible Belt in the U.S. The "Swedish model" on prostitution is pervasive, deriving as it does from hard Left feminism. Lap dancing clubs and in store porn sales are banned in Iceland for the same reasons and we've had the farcical situation where the government there wants to censor the Internet like in Saudi Arabia or China.

Also plans throughout Europe for gender quotas in politics and private employment are hot issues.

I put it to you that these are as extreme, overbearing and a lot more hateful than anything Demetri Marchessini or any UKIP supporter can come out with, it's just hateful overbearing and extreme in a different direction.

My central point is that UKIP is not alone in being supported by cranks. Whether it's Stephen Timms (Labour) who thinks it's a good thing that radical Islam has intimidated secular commentators into silence, "Red" Ken Livingstone who doesn't like Jews very much, radical feminists and probably many others with crazy and extreme views, fruitcakes are all over the political spectrum and exist in all walks of life.

But we don't judge the UK Labour party by the standards of those two, nor do we judge other parties by the few cranks that show up in the ranks of their supporters.

Zebra3

Sure big swing.

In Britain, Labour had a war criminal as their leader for years.

Grayson

ScumLord wrote: »

This story does seem like UKIP bashing. Why make the link in the first place? What's this guys book got to do with UKIP?


The headline might as well read "coffee drinker holds outdated views on making the bed".

Didn't two women who were former high ranking members of the UKIP say that sexism is endemic?

Besides, the guys who usually rant about how foreigners should go home are generally the first to say that women belong in the home.

Grayson

Besides, his whole argument was that women are wearing trousers to make their arse unattractive. Am I the only person who thinks you can appreciate an arse more when it's in trousers?

And has he never seen those yoga pants/leggings girls wear nowadays.

Seaneh

Grayson wrote: »

Besides, his whole argument was that women are wearing trousers to make their arse unattractive. Am I the only person who thinks you can appreciate an arse more when it's in trousers?

And has he never seen those yoga pants/leggings girls wear nowadays.

Yoga pants are one of the greatest fashion trends ever.

Roger_007

Death and Taxes wrote: »

They recieved almost 25% of all votes cast in the last local elections, hardly insignificant.

That is just spin. They received 25% of the votes in the seats they contested.

Seaneh

Roger_007 wrote: »

That is just spin. They received 25% of the votes in the seats they contested.

Yup, and in a general elections they wouldn't have gained a single seat in the parliament.

Rascasse

Roger_007 wrote: »

That is just spin. They received 25% of the votes in the seats they contested.

Well Wikipedia says they polled 23% of the the popular vote, which suggests to me that 23% of votes cast that day were for UKIP.

They were projected to gain around 50 seats, in the end they gained nearly 150, no spin there.

Roger_007

Rascasse wrote: »

Well Wikipedia says they polled 23% of the the popular vote, which suggests to me that 23% of votes cast that day were for UKIP.

They were projected to gain around 50 seats, in the end they gained nearly 150, no spin there.

Your faith in Wikipedia is touching.:rolleyes:

Rascasse

Roger_007 wrote: »

Your faith in Wikipedia is touching.:rolleyes:

Well do you have another source beyond the rolls eye smiley? In 2013 Wikipedia is generally well sourced when it comes to these types of articles.

Anyway, I'll do you a favour an provide more sources that a two second Google provides:

Ukip emerged as the big winner from the 2013 local council elections after the party polled around a quarter of all votes cast to emerge as a major challenger on the national political stage.

England's shire county councils have a strikingly different face this weekend, after almost a quarter of those voting in the local elections opted for Ukip to represent them,

Are you able to muster anything more than a smiley?

Seaneh wrote: »

Yup, and in a general elections they wouldn't have gained a single seat in the parliament.

That's due to first past the post. I wouldn't be surprised if they got a seat or two if there was an election tomorrow. After all the Greens have no national profile yet Caroline Lucas was elected in Brighton and there are independents that get seats (George Galloway, Martin Bell).

Pumpkinseeds

People are disillusioned with the other parties and the economy is in a mess. Extremist parties like UKIP give the voters an opportunity to vent about Johnny immigrant and they're attact a certain type who still believe that England should be for the English:rolleyes: