Time To End Internment - Release Marian Price and Martin Corey

Fenian Army · 06-07-2012 2:40pm

Laminations wrote: »

Does she have an actual biological medical condition? And it was her that refused to be moved to a female prison

source

Are they so complex they don't have a name?

No.... she was moved to one in February after campaigning.

Severe depression, sever arthritis, lost lots or weight and as I understand it there are other things wrong with her which stem from her hungerstrike and being forcefed... she's never fully recovered.

Bonus_Pack · 06-07-2012 3:26pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

She suffered greatly while she was in prison in England, on hungerstrike... it has had lasting effects

This is rediculous. She has no-one to blame only herself for any health problems caused by her going on hunger strike.

It really is amazing that no matter what the problem be, republican fanboys will universally blame "d'brits".

Me: -Oh it's raining I see
Ra head: - Ah it's the bleddy Brits, opressing us with their imperialist weather.

gaffer91 · 06-07-2012 3:39pm

Wolfe Tone, why are you still bothering with this thread? It should have finished after the first reply really, it's a complete non story.

RMD · 07-07-2012 11:33am

RMD wrote: »

Didn't say anything of the sort, care to point out where I did? I said she's a convicted terrorist who still associates with dissident Republican terrorists as demonstrated by the Easter commemoration.

I asked you what is she since you claim stating she was and still currently is a terrorist is "wilful blindness". How in anyway does that make a blanket claim of all her release supporters being RIRA supporters also.

Fenian Army I noticed you still haven't answered my reply, would you mind answering it please? It's rather immature to deliberately misconstrue statements on a forum to suit your agenda.

Fenian Army · 07-07-2012 1:11pm

getzls wrote: »

Fenian Army wrote: »

She went to a commemoration and held a sheet.

She committed no crime and the charges were dismissed.

You seem to think that attending commemorations like that one warrants being jailed... thats internment

Did she think the guy was wearing a mask to hid his bad acne? Really, i think people who want her out are eager for her to get her-self back into the murder business again.

RMD I was talking about the reason he gave for people who want her released, which is clearly nonsense ... unless everyone calling for her release, a campaign with support from parties of every type, secretly support dissidents.

SocSocPol · 07-07-2012 2:16pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

She suffered greatly while she was in prison in England, on hungerstrike... it has had lasting effects

Not as lasting as the effects of the SFIRA terror campaign she was an intricate part of had on its innocent victims, leave her where she is as a warning to other would be terrorists!:mad:

Fenian Army · 07-07-2012 2:26pm

SocSocPol wrote: »

Not as lasting as the effects of the SFIRA terror campaign she was an intricate part of had on its innocent victims, leave her where she is as a warning to other would be terrorists!:mad:

Anti republicans like yourself have always been intransigent, you are so blinded by your hate that you can't see that her imprisoned is the greatest propaganda coup anti GFA republicans have ever had

SocSocPol · 07-07-2012 4:43pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

Anti republicans like yourself have always been intransigent, you are so blinded by your hate that you can't see that her imprisoned is the greatest propaganda coup anti GFA republicans have ever had

How anyone with a name like yours can accuse me of hate or intransigance defies belief, the irony oh the irony!

fasttalkerchat · 07-07-2012 7:28pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

Her imprisoned is the greatest propaganda coup anti GFA republicans have ever had

That's just it. Its as if it suits them to have a split within republicanism... :eek:

Laminations · 07-07-2012 9:37pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

She suffered greatly while she was in prison in England, on hungerstrike... it has had lasting effects

So the terrorist should be released from prison because of the effects prison has had on her?

God they should all use that excuse, 'sorry pal I want out, I'm not well, prison doesn't suit me'.

Fenian Army · 08-07-2012 1:42am

SocSocPol wrote: »

How anyone with a name like yours can accuse me of hate or intransigance defies belief, the irony oh the irony!

Whats wrong with my name?

Ashamed of the fenians? I'm certainly not, some of the greatest men we have seen in Ireland.

Its not a refernce to them however but a popular football chant (Paddy McCourt)

But sure keep up with the deflecting

Fenian Army · 08-07-2012 1:45am

Laminations wrote: »

So the terrorist should be released from prison because of the effects prison has had on her?

God they should all use that excuse, 'sorry pal I want out, I'm not well, prison doesn't suit me'.

I see little point in engaging with you any further, you constantly spew falsehoods (she's on protest, she refused to move prison etc etc) and now you come out with glib shite like that... I've made it clear why I think she should be released.

RMD · 08-07-2012 1:54am

RMD wrote: »

RMD wrote:

Didn't say anything of the sort, care to point out where I did? I said she's a convicted terrorist who still associates with dissident Republican terrorists as demonstrated by the Easter commemoration.

I asked you what is she since you claim stating she was and still currently is a terrorist is "wilful blindness". How in anyway does that make a blanket claim of all her release supporters being RIRA supporters also.

Fenian Army I noticed you still haven't answered my reply, would you mind answering it please? It's rather immature to deliberately misconstrue statements on a forum to suit your agenda.

You've posted 4 times Fenian Army since I've quoted myself. Again care to answer my question? Seems to be typical Republican rhetoric, misconstrue a statement to suit their agenda and then ignore when called upon to explain their statement. You expect me to answer a question of yours and then ignore mine repeatedly, how childish.

Fenian Army · 08-07-2012 1:58am

RMD wrote: »

You've posted 4 times Fenian Army since I've quoted myself. Again care to answer my question? Seems to be typical Republican rhetoric, misconstrue a statement to suit their agenda and then ignore when called upon to explain their statement. You expect me to answer a question of yours and then ignore mine repeatedly, how childish.

I did, post 143, I think there has been a bit of a misunderstanding

RMD · 08-07-2012 3:40am

Fenian Army wrote: »

I did, post 143, I think there has been a bit of a misunderstanding

Apologies, I didn't see my name in the quote tags so assumed you hadn't responded. My mistake.

Fenian Army · 09-07-2012 1:24pm

Fantastic news today!

He has been released!

Martin Corey, 61, from County Armagh, is to be freed on unconditional bail.

On Monday, a judge ruled that parole commissioners breached his human rights in refusing to release him. Corey was sentenced to life in 1973 and was released on licence in 1992.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18770477

Commenting on the decision by the High Court in Belfast to release Lurgan Republican Martin Corey, Sinn Féin Assembly member Raymond McCartney said:

“The decision by the court in Belfast today to release Lurgan man Martin Corey is a welcome move. Like in Marion Price’s case it is unacceptable that you can be imprisoned by the decision of a British Secretary of State to revoke a licence and place no evidence or proof before a court.

“Since Martin’s arrest Sinn Féin have been to the fore in demanding his release. We have visited Martin on a regular basis and raised his case repeatedly with the British and Irish governments.

“The British government now need to end the pursuit of Martin Corey and drop any further attempts to intern him in the way they have.”

It's now clear that the British authorities namely the secretary of state and his lackeys in the parole board have no qualms about once again disregarding Irish peoples human rights in order to imprison them, the battle isn't over however as I'm fully expecting them to concoct some other tenuous reason to imprison him - the thinking caps will be on no doubt seen as this time they will actually have to give a reason.

A welcome victory for human rights and justice.

K-9 · 09-07-2012 1:39pm

Martin Corey thread merged with existing thread on prisoners. No point having 2 threads on related topics.

Fenian Army · 09-07-2012 1:41pm

Who messed up my threads?

This thread is about Marian Price

K-9 · 09-07-2012 1:46pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

Who messed up my threads?

This thread is about Marian Price

Read the post above your last reply. 2 threads on the first page on one specific issue, is a bit of an overkill. This forum isn't a blog site for you to use about Republican prisoners. Any issues, pm a mod as you should well know.

Fenian Army · 09-07-2012 1:49pm

Didnt see the post, thought just my post about him being released had been moved... mea cupla.

PM sent

K-9 · 09-07-2012 2:01pm

Title and OP edited to add Martin Corey.

Laminations · 09-07-2012 2:30pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

“The British government now need to end the pursuit of Martin Corey and drop any further attempts to intern him in the way they have.”

Why?

'The judge found that the open evidence did not advance the Northern Ireland Secretary's case against Corey, meaning that the decision was solely based on closed material.'

So presuming there is some sensitive intelligence-based operational impediment to the disclosure of this material I say keep gathering evidence on this double-murdering terrorist sympathiser. What weight of evidence must they produce to show he is associating with dissidents? I mean you can stand holding hate speech surrounded by them in balaclavas while being secretary of their political wing and that's still not evidence enough for some people.

I think with the vast majority of people in Britain and Ireland accepting the GFA, terrorist sympathisers and those who wish to oppose the political process so be pursued to their deaths* by both the Irish and British governments.

*I'm not advocating hangings or execution squads, I'm saying they should be pursued regardless of age or well-being.

Fenian Army · 09-07-2012 2:37pm

I think that if they do something which is a crime and they can be prosecuted for it then thats the way it should be done. If they have committed no crimes then they should be left alone.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

People are entitled to opinions and political beliefs, they shouldn't be jailed over them.

Nor should, as has happened, their human rights be violated and be jailed without trial.

Laminations · 09-07-2012 2:42pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

I see little point in engaging with you any further, you constantly spew falsehoods (she's on protest, she refused to move prison etc etc) and now you come out with glib shite like that... I've made it clear why I think she should be released.

Then why bring up her health?

Your point is she should be released because you don't like her being in prison, because you mistakenly interpret it as internment rather than it being due to her blatant breach of the terms of her release. It was reported at the time of her release that it was on licence - a cursory search for the type of conditions that apply to release on licence will show that you end back up in prison for breaches to these conditions.

What are the conditions?
Prisoners serving an indeterminate sentence (Life/IPP) have an additional condition placed on their licence as standard where the licence was issued after 16 May 2005. This is as follows:
He/she shall be well behaved and not do anything which could undermine the purposes of supervision on licence which are to protect the public, by ensuring that their safety would not be placed at risk, and to secure his/her successful reintegration into the community.

How will the prisoner know what their licence conditions are?
The prisoner will get a copy of their licence before they leave the prison. The licence will tell them of all the conditions they must meet and will inform them of when they should report to the probation office managing their licence.

What happens if the offender breaks the terms of their licence?

If an offender breaks the terms and conditions of their licence then they may be recalled to prison immediately, or depending on the circumstances, the offender might get a warning the first or second time they break the conditions of their licence. If the offender breaches their licence for a third time they will be recalled to prison.

How long will they be on licence for?
Life sentenced prisoners will be on licence for the rest of their life. source

Laminations · 09-07-2012 2:45pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

I think that if they do something which is a crime and they can be prosecuted for it then thats the way it should be done. If they have committed no crimes then they should be left alone.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

For God's Sake how many times does this need to be repeated??

They are not in prison for committing a crime - they are back in prison to complete the sentence for the original crime BECAUSE they breached the terms of their licence (this breach does not need to be a crime)

Fenian Army · 09-07-2012 2:49pm

After 2005...

Do you know what the conditions were?

I believe she was released on license, then received a royal pardon which has mysteriously vanished.

Regardless, not being involved in politics is hardly a condition of her license, real or not, or she would have been imprisoned decades ago.

Her health is also a factor... do you think it would be a good thing for her to die in jail? A new martyr? I'm struggling to think of anything more damaging to the peace process then that. (I'm not saying more violence but certainly a withdrawal from political institutions)

Fenian Army · 09-07-2012 2:54pm

Laminations wrote: »

Why?

'The judge found that the open evidence did not advance the Northern Ireland Secretary's case against Corey, meaning that the decision was solely based on closed material.'

So presuming there is some sensitive intelligence-based operational impediment to the disclosure of this material I say keep gathering evidence on this double-murdering terrorist sympathiser. What weight of evidence must they produce to show he is associating with dissidents? I mean you can stand holding hate speech surrounded by them in balaclavas while being secretary of their political wing and that's still not evidence enough for some people.

I think with the vast majority of people in Britain and Ireland accepting the GFA, terrorist sympathisers and those who wish to oppose the political process so be pursued to their deaths* by both the Irish and British governments.

*I'm not advocating hangings or execution squads, I'm saying they should be pursued regardless of age or well-being.

I believe that the licensing system is being abused and licenses are being selectively revoked in order to silence political dissent via internment. No political figure should have the power to imprison people on a whim.

Do you agree with Martin Coreys human rights being violated in order to have him jailed? I was scoffed at for saying his rights had been ignored, now what do you say?

Its' clear at this stage that we will simply not agree, shall we keep going around in circles?

Laminations · 09-07-2012 2:59pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

After 2005...

Do you know what the conditions were?

There are six standard conditions for prisoners serving determinate sentences i.e. a custodial sentence with a fixed length. The prisoner should:

Behave appropriately and not commit further offences or undertake any activity that may undermine their attempts to resettle in the community.
Maintain contact with their supervising probation officer and do what is asked of them.
Allow their supervising probation officer to visit them at home if they need to.
Live at an address approved by their probation officer and keep them informed of any changes of address (even if only for one night).
Only do work, paid or unpaid, that has been approved by their probation officer and keep them notified of any changes in employment.
Not travel outside of the United Kingdom. (Travel outside of the United Kingdom will only be granted in certain circumstances and then only very rarely).

Prisoners serving an indeterminate sentence (Life/IPP) have an additional condition placed on their licence as standard where the licence was issued after 16 May 2005. This is as follows: see above

I believe she was released on license, then received a royal pardon which has mysteriously vanished.

Link to media reports of this, or better still produce the document. Like I said this was likely applied to the 20 yr sentence (to avoid some technicality) and doesn't override the licence for her life sentence.

Regardless, not being involved in politics is hardly a condition of her license, real or not, or she would have been imprisoned decades ago.

Reading hate speeches in a cemetery with men in balaclavas is closer to fetishism than politics. Many Price opposes the SF political route.

Her health is also a factor... do you think it would be a good thing for her to die in jail?

Yes.

A new martyr? I'm struggling to think of anything more damaging to the peace process then that. (I'm not saying more violence but certainly a withdrawal from political institutions)

Her death wouldn't damage the peace process. She is a nobody when it comes to the peace process, she wasn't involved in it. The people looking for an excuse to damage the peace process would be the offending culprits.

A withdrawal from political institutions by who?

Laminations · 09-07-2012 3:02pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

Its' clear at this stage that we will simply not agree, shall we keep going around in circles?

As long as you keep intimating their piousness I'll be here to highlight their atrocities, their lack of remorse, their dissent to the political peace process and how deserved they are of long spells in prison.

Fenian Army · 09-07-2012 3:09pm

If a republican who SF claim should be released, who claim she is interned unjustly, died in jail then something would have to give. It would take major political moves at senior levels to prevent a mass walk out of SF members.

I'm a member of SF and I fully support the GFA. I don't support Marian Price's political opinions or any political group which opposes the GFA. However if a republican like Marian Price or Martin Corey, or Gerry McGeough died because of their imprisonment I would seriously question participation in the political institutions. Whats they point if republicas are still being interned and dying in British jails?

The fact that you want her dead in jail confirms for me, you intransigence.

The single largest threat to the peace process is the situation in the jails. I fully expect that if things keep going the way they are we will have a hunger strike on our hands in a few years. That would be devastating.

And it would all be because of stupidity, it's all easily preventable.

Try to see the larger picture.

Laminations · 09-07-2012 3:31pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

If a republican who SF claim should be released, who claim she is interned unjustly, died in jail then something would have to give. It would take major political moves at senior levels to prevent a mass walk out of SF members.

I'm a member of SF and I fully support the GFA. I don't support Marian Price's political opinions or any political group which opposes the GFA. However if a republican like Marian Price or Martin Corey, or Gerry McGeough died because of their imprisonment I would seriously question participation in the political institutions. Whats they point if republicas are still being interned and dying in British jails?

Are republicans all the same to you? You support the GFA. She doesn't support the GFA. You don't support her views. Yet you allign yourself with her and call her imprisonment on the back of her breaching her licence (something included in the GFA that you claim to support) internment. You refer to them as British jails? For all I care you can stick her in an Irish jail.

Maybe if you are worried about creating martyrs you would suggest to SF that they shouldn't support people like this, people opposed to their politics and set on continuing violent 'struggle' - you know, balaclava-clad terrorists and their sympathisers. Maybe SF should cop on and stop spreading the notion that she is imprisoned unjustly.

The fact that you want her dead in jail confirms for me, you intransigence.

I don't want her dead in jail, but I also don't want her out in xociety spreading her hate and trying to indoctrinate a new generation who were never touched by the troubles.

The single largest threat to the peace process is the situation in the jails. I fully expect that if things keep going the way they are we will have a hunger strike on our hands in a few years. That would be devastating.

I'd disagree. The single largest threat are the people who try and kick up stink over the imprisonment of someone who associates with dissidents (in breach of their licence), who dishonestly refers to this as the emotive 'British internment' and who makes threats to the peace process should they not get their way. The biggest threat are the people who support her, and who support dissidents. They haven't gone away you know. You stoke the flames and rile up the crowd just as much as you claim your opponents (the Brits) do.

oscarBravo · 09-07-2012 3:54pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

If a republican who SF claim should be released, who claim she is interned unjustly, died in jail then something would have to give. It would take major political moves at senior levels to prevent a mass walk out of SF members.

I'm a member of SF and I fully support the GFA. I don't support Marian Price's political opinions or any political group which opposes the GFA. However if a republican like Marian Price or Martin Corey, or Gerry McGeough died because of their imprisonment I would seriously question participation in the political institutions.

I'm strongly tempted to bookmark this post for the next time I'm asked why I still don't consider Sinn Féin a fully legitimate political party. Their commitment to purely political means is a very fragile thing. When the time comes that nothing could cause their commitment to non-violence to waver, then they'll have earned full legitimacy.

And it would all be because of stupidity, it's all easily preventable.

Just as Marian Price could have easily prevented the revocation of her licence by not associating with terrorists. But somehow that's far, far too much to ask.

JustinDee · 09-07-2012 9:08pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

Try to see the larger picture.

People have been trying to tell this to your chosen party, its members, its 'connections', its supporters, sympathisers and apologists for some decades now.

Di0genes · 09-07-2012 10:14pm

I'm sorry Fenian Army, but the IT article you quoted said this

The panel found that Paterson’s view was correct, that while the balance of Price’s 20-year sentence was remitted, her release from the life sentences was conditional on future behaviour. They cite a letter dated April 30th, 1980 – the day Price was released – from the private secretary to the Secretary of State to the private secretary to the Queen: “Her (McGlinchey’s) release involves release from the life sentence which means that she will always remain liable to be recalled to prison if her behaviour justifies this step.”

She does not need to found guilty of being involved of holding a piece of paper, handing over a mobile phone used in a terrorist attack. She was released on licence, and simply the being at these events, and colluding with terrorist sympathisers is enough to see her sent back to prison to serve the remainder of her sentence.

She was treated with leniency in 1980 on the proviso she adhere to some pretty simple rules. She failed to do, and is back in prison. Price admitted in the interview that she drove the car that the kidnapped Jean Mc Conville was driven to be executed in a unmarked grave by thugs with delusions of grandeur. Pity she can't remember the route she took, so at least the Mc Conville family could find their mother's body and get a degree of closure.

The woman can rot in prison, and deservedly so.

Sunnyisland · 09-07-2012 10:37pm

This might have some relevance to this discussion and the possible outcome,

Re martin corey,

On Monday, Mr Justice Treacy held there had been a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights which states that anyone deprived of their liberty can have the lawfulness of detention decided speedily by a court.
The judge found that the open evidence did not advance the Northern Ireland Secretary’s case against Corey, meaning that the decision was solely based on closed material.
Mr Justice Treacy also ruled that the Parole Commissioners misdirected themselves in law and failed to provide a sufficient safeguard against the lack of full disclosure.
He stated: “I’m going to remit the matter to the commissioners to reconsider the matter in light of the judgment of the court.”
Corey was also awarded legal costs in bringing the challenge.
While Corey waited in Maghaberry jail to be freed the secretary of state moved to block the release and at around 5.30pm the veteran republican was re-arrested and remains in the prison.
Republican Sinn Féin said the British state was “determined to keep Martin interned at all costs.” from bbc.

My opinion is there has to be clear guidelines in why there keeping these people in prison, and publicly spoken, as the way its been handled at the moment only gives more support for the rejectionists of the GFA.

K-9 · 09-07-2012 11:29pm

They seem very selective in enforcing ECHR judgments, wasn't there a big controversy just a few months ago about one?

Laminations · 10-07-2012 11:26am

Di0genes wrote: »

Price admitted in the interview that she drove the car that the kidnapped Jean Mc Conville was driven to be executed in a unmarked grave by thugs with delusions of grandeur. Pity she can't remember the route she took, so at least the Mc Conville family could find their mother's body and get a degree of closure.

I think you're confusing the two Price sisters. There's Marian (the terrorist) and Delours (the terrorist).... I can see how it's easy to confuse them!

AFAIK it was Delours that admitted to driving Jean McConville to her execution

Di0genes · 10-07-2012 11:36am

Laminations wrote: »

I think you're confusing the two Price sisters. There's Marian (the terrorist) and Delours (the terrorist).... I can see how it's easy to confuse them!

AFAIK it was Delours that admitted to driving Jean McConville to her execution

Apologises. you are correct. Marian just killed a man, and injured hundreds.

Dubhlinner · 13-07-2012 6:21pm

think SDLP and Sinn Fein should leave stormont over this.Whats the point in a devolved assembly if one Englishman has more power in his little finger than the the supposedly devolved justice system.

fasttalkerchat · 13-07-2012 6:25pm

Dubhlinner wrote: »

think SDLP and Sinn Fein should leave stormont over this.Whats the point in a devolved assembly if one Englishman has more power in his little finger than the the supposedly devolved justice system.

When Stormont falls so will the SDLP and SF. Years ago something like this would have ended the ceasefire and SF would have pulled out of talks. Now it just means a surge in support for "dissidents".

Fenian Army · 29-07-2012 3:18am

http://thepensivequill.am/2012/07/martin-corey-psychological-torture.html

Worth a read.

SocSocPol · 29-07-2012 11:53am

Fenian Army wrote: »

If a republican who SF claim should be released, who claim she is interned unjustly, died in jail then something would have to give. It would take major political moves at senior levels to prevent a mass walk out of SF members.

I'm a member of SF and I fully support the GFA. I don't support Marian Price's political opinions or any political group which opposes the GFA. However if a republican like Marian Price or Martin Corey, or Gerry McGeough died because of their imprisonment I would seriously question participation in the political institutions. Whats they point if republicas are still being interned and dying in British jails?

The fact that you want her dead in jail confirms for me, you intransigence.

The single largest threat to the peace process is the situation in the jails. I fully expect that if things keep going the way they are we will have a hunger strike on our hands in a few years. That would be devastating.

And it would all be because of stupidity, it's all easily preventable.

Try to see the larger picture.

In other words, if SF dont get their way then its members like yourself would go back to the bullet and the bomb!
So much for exclusivley peaceful and democratic means.

Fenian Army · 29-07-2012 12:44pm

SocSocPol wrote: »

In other words, if SF dont get their way then its members like yourself would go back to the bullet and the bomb!
So much for exclusivley peaceful and democratic means.

No, why jump to conclusions?

Not everyone who disagrees with the current political situation has "gone back to the bullet and bomb", in fact most haven't.

Dubhlinner · 29-07-2012 2:06pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

If a republican who SF claim should be released, who claim she is interned unjustly, died in jail then something would have to give. It would take major political moves at senior levels to prevent a mass walk out of SF members.

I'm a member of SF and I fully support the GFA. I don't support Marian Price's political opinions or any political group which opposes the GFA. However if a republican like Marian Price or Martin Corey, or Gerry McGeough died because of their imprisonment I would seriously question participation in the political institutions. Whats they point if republicas are still being interned and dying in British jails?

The fact that you want her dead in jail confirms for me, you intransigence.

The single largest threat to the peace process is the situation in the jails. I fully expect that if things keep going the way they are we will have a hunger strike on our hands in a few years. That would be devastating.

And it would all be because of stupidity, it's all easily preventable.

Try to see the larger picture.

To be honest I used to think this but I question it now.

In terms of principle there is no real difference between dying in jail and simply being there for Corey Price & McGeough.

So despite them being imprisoned you remain a member of a party who support the government who have imprisoned them.

I don't mean that as a dig at you - you are obviously weighing up the pros and cons of engaging with the political institutions and have decided engaging is the better option.

I think most people in Sinn Fein think in similar terms to yourself. I think that the types who'd leave the party over them dying have already left due to them being imprisoned.

Furthermore I think a hungerstrike would be largely ignored. One guy was already on one for 40 days and it barely made the news.

The reality now is that Sinn Fein aren't reliant on their dedicated grass root republicans for support. They have the nationalist middle class vote in the north sewn up and are growing in the south. Make no mistake that's all the handshake with the queen of england was about - normalising SF in the eyes of southern voters.

whitelines · 29-07-2012 3:29pm

Sinn Fein, let alone The SDLP, aren't going anywhere. If SF pulls out of Stormont then it's leadership strategy will have failed and have been seen to fail. The vanity of SF's key players would not allow this to happen. It's possible that The SDLP would then take SF's executive positions, permanently freezing SF out. Most northern Catholics like devolved government within The UK and they'd not reward any party that put that system in jeopardy.

No, whatever happens in the prisons, the dye has been cast. There's no going back.

Fenian Army · 05-08-2012 1:20am

Old Bailey bomber Marian Price is seriously ill in hospital with pneumonia.

Her family has expressed “deep concern” about her deteriorating mental and physical health.

In June Price, who is suffering from severe depression after a year in solitary confinement, was moved from Hydebank prison to Belfast City Hospital’s Windsor House unit, which treats patients with psychiatric issues.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/fears-grow-for-bomber-marian-price-after-shes-hospitalised-with-pneumonia-16192714.html

Its getting ridiculous at this stage. She's a bigger threat in jail than on the outside, and if she becomes a modern day republican martyr, in death she'll be a more powerful enemy than ever.

getzls · 05-08-2012 1:29pm

How many times do her supporters expect her to be released if she is at deaths door? She abused it once, i hope she won't have the chance to abuse it twice.

fasttalkerchat · 05-08-2012 1:47pm

In all honesty I don't see Stormont falling over this. At best about 5% of voters will abstain from voting and the secretary of state will be sent home.

whitelines · 05-08-2012 2:49pm

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

In all honesty I don't see Stormont falling over this. At best about 5% of voters will abstain from voting and the secretary of state will be sent home.

The vast majority of people in NI couldn't give a damn.

fasttalkerchat · 07-08-2012 12:09pm

whitelines wrote: »

The vast majority of people in NI couldn't give a damn.

From the song Joe McDonnell:

Then a hunger strike we did commence
For the dignity of man
But it seemed to me that no one gave a damn
Oh but now I am a saddened man
I've watched my comrades die
If only people cared or wondered why

Now people go on with their lives but if Marian dies many more people will care. Already thousands have attended protests and held candlelit vigils. There was a few hundred turned out in Glasgow last week.

Time To End Internment - Release Marian Price and Martin Corey

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