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5starpool · 23-02-2007 7:03pm

Definitely "Overtired". Never occurred to me that it would be anything else.

Ardent · 23-02-2007 7:52pm

What they are actually saying is "ohhhhhh, they're tired!". Even if you don't want to listen properly, if you just think about it it'll make sense - it's called irony.

As for card sharp, what?!! When did you ever see those words written, let alone spoken?? A shark is a player who preys on weaker card players (fish).

ziggy · 23-02-2007 7:59pm

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Blush_01 · 23-02-2007 8:03pm

Thread of the day? Potentially? I lolled, I cried, I may have even roffled.

I would've gone with "Oh, they're tired" too - didn't yer man just drop the plates yer wan got from her mother, for gods sake, and she snapped at him. They're moving in and the bad humour is because they're tired. The kids just twigged it when the kerfuffle over the damaged delph took place. Simple, to my mind. (I like simple, me!)

Overtired is a word. You get well used to the word overtired when you're around small kids. Have you never been so tired that you just couldn't sleep? You were overtired at that point. It happens to most people at some stage.

I HATE when people say then instead of than. "I'd rather take this one then that one." That's fine if you're getting both, but if you're only having one and you're choosing between the two, change you're bloody vowel! It makes my eyes bleed.

ziggy · 23-02-2007 8:17pm

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shamblertine · 23-02-2007 9:28pm

its "oh, they're tired". Why would they be saying oooooovertired? that would be so camp. Just listen to it and you won't hear any v and there is a pause between the "oh" and the "they".

hullaballoo · 23-02-2007 10:43pm

humanji wrote:

I'm pretty sure "I could care less" and "I couldn't care less" are both correct and both eqaully common in use. Even though "I couldn't care less" logically doesn't make sense, it's basically sarcasm. I apparently comes from the dry upper class british wit, that uses a lot of self-deprivating and sarcastic remarks. (the way I think of it is "I could care less, but I'm not going to be bothered to" meaning they're not worth thinking about). And this proves that my years of watching Countdown were not a waste!

Also, "You can't have your cake and eat it." Yes you can! The actual phrase is "You can't eat you cake and have it". (I heard that one on Joe Duffy).

Did you see this?

http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caringha0.png

It explains the logic behind the phrase "I couldn't care less". I mean, the only place where I can see any reason behind your contention that it doesn't make logical sense is if you don't know what the word "less" means.

If you say, "I could care less about Jessica Alba", it means that you care about Jessica Alba to some extent.

nesf · 24-02-2007 12:12am

humanji wrote:

Also, "You can't have your cake and eat it." Yes you can! The actual phrase is "You can't eat you cake and have it". (I heard that one on Joe Duffy).

Originally the phrase was "You can't eat your cake and have it" but it's evolved into the shorter form "You can't have your cake and eat it". It still works, it's just ambiguous. But being a phrase, its literal meaning isn't really that important tbh. Like the whole rock and a whirlpool/hard place and being between Scylla and Charybdis thing and their relation.

simu · 24-02-2007 12:26am

Blush_01 wrote:

Overtired is a word. You get well used to the word overtired when you're around small kids.

Yes, it's common parenting jargon which is why they use it in the ad - the kids are acting like parents.

This thread rocks btw!

Red Hand · 24-02-2007 12:33am

"T'is far from cappachinnos/[insert whatever] ye were "rared".:) It's only lately that I realise it was reared and not rared.

cjt156 · 24-02-2007 12:39pm

Steven wrote:

Actually I'm pretty sure he was listing it as one of his pet-hates.

Exactamundo.

Irregardless:D , the kids say Overtired in a Yorkshire accent, hense the stress on the "OOHH"
The whole point of that series of (irritating but effective) ads is that the kid/parent role is swapped.
Parents regularly describe young children as overtired; usually when they've lost reason & become irritable, like me, rereading the "Oh, there tired" theory.

Jack B. Badd · 28-02-2007 8:48pm

nesf wrote:

Originally the phrase was "You can't eat your cake and have it" but it's evolved into the shorter form "You can't have your cake and eat it".

Please explain to me exactly how one sentence can be shorter than the other when they contain exactly the same words? Transposing the words "eat" and "have" does not shorten the sentence in any way as far as I can see

Femelade · 01-03-2007 10:50am

oh my god its definatley "overtired". I love them ads, i love the one at the moment,

boy 1: remember last year
boy 2: Don't!
Boy 1: Think i'll have a kip
Boy 2: Think i'll join ya.

Love it.
Oh and how can you forget: "someone forgot to go toilet"..

Tar.Aldarion · 01-03-2007 2:03pm

RobertFoster wrote:

Exactly! "I could care less" really annoys me.

Although "I could care less" is usually the one that applies...

nicolo · 01-03-2007 4:02pm

you know the phrase upset the apple cart?well i got the best one my grand mother thought the phrase was "upset the apple tart" no matter how many people argue it with her she's stayin loyal :d
she also thought that black people where the product of dogs raping women (shes very old and from kerry)

Lothaar · 01-03-2007 4:53pm

Futureman wrote:

wierd

That should read: weird.

'I could care less' is fine when used sarcastically, as the intended meaning is the direct opposite of the apparent meaning. So it really means 'I couldn't care less'.
The most grammatically correct way of saying 'I could care less' is to include a :rolleyes: just after it.

Lothaar · 01-03-2007 4:56pm

humanji wrote:

"I couldn't care less" logically doesn't make sense, it's basically sarcasm. ... self-deprivating

It's not sarcasm. It's stating that you absolutely do not care.

And it's self-deprecating.

This is pacificly the type of mistake that this thread was set up to bemoan!

gazzer · 01-03-2007 5:14pm

I hate, hate, hate it when people say DefinItely instead of Definitely.

Also for some bizzare reason its wrecks my head when Gerry Ryan says Paydofeel instead of Peadofile (for Paedophile). He has been saying that word a lot lately cos of various news reports.

humanji · 01-03-2007 5:37pm

Lothaar wrote:

It's not sarcasm. It's stating that you absolutely do not care.

And it's self-deprecating.

This is pacificly the type of mistake that this thread was set up to bemoan!

Actually the thread was set up to settle a debate. And anyway, I type faster than I think. If it bothers you then the internet probably isn't for you

Lothaar · 01-03-2007 5:48pm

You're right about the thread, but I just wanted to say 'pacificly' cos it's a pet-hate of mine.

Fair enough if it was just a typo - it's just that 'self-deprivating' is a fairly common error.

It does bother me... but I like porn. Can I still look at porn on the Internet?

humanji · 01-03-2007 7:15pm

Lets all look at porn on the internet

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