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Eircom fibre for direct to exchange news?

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  • #552
    liverpool
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭liverpool


    How do I see wholesale vs retail on map and what does this mean?
    dbit wrote: »
    Hmmmm on wholesale still says building in macroom exchange .............
    yuloni wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.


  • #553
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,071 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    liverpool wrote: »
    How do I see wholesale vs retail on map and what does this mean?

    Wholesale = http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/Our_Network/
    Retail = http://www.eircom.net/efibreinfo/map/

    Retail is used by salespeople who you ring up to order eFibre from and we all trust them to be 100%, bang-on, totally and completely accurate - right? :rolleyes:

    The wholesale should be actually be closer to the truth - don't know why though. :D


  • #554
    mailsanchu
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭mailsanchu


    mailsanchu wrote: »
    Is it certain that the WIP exchanges (turned blue ) got approval for evdsl from comreg ?


    Any body know the answer for this question


  • #555
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,331 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Akenny010 wrote: »
    The exchanged I'm connected to has finally turned blue & says

    ETY1_E01

    Fibre Build commenced - completion work is in progress

    Any idea how long this process takes & how long it should take to get an estimated date? Thanks

    I spoke to the guy working on my exchange the other day, he reckoned about 4 weeks from when they finish, the put the tarmac back down today so fingers crossed i'll have fiber in the next 6 weeks or so, 480mt from the exchange to my hallway :)


  • #556
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    What we might see isntead of lower profiles is cab launched ADSL. Theres room for the cards in a riser if they wanted to do it and COMREG allowed it. In rural areas using cabs as remote ADSL service units could make a big impact.
    This is also a consequence of eircom's procurement choice. 192 port DSLAMS, often with many ports unused like in the Dunleer and Termonfeckin exchange areas, while a hundred or so customers who could benefit (especially with the Termonfeckin cabinets) can get nothing. I can't find any absolute technical reasons why VDSL2 couldn't be used at very low speeds with long-line tailored PSD masks (like perhaps using profile 8b) and a willingness by eircom, huawei and ComReg to let it happen.

    Most importantly, VDSL2 line cards are backwards-compatible with ADSL2+ anyway!


  • #557
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    lucernarian, I think and hope that it is just a case of them being focused on the low hanging fruit of high speed VDSL.

    I'm hoping that when they complete the VDSL rollout, that they don't just turn all their attention to FTTH and will also look at getting most out of the FTTC cabs too by:

    1) Enabling ADSL2+ from the cabs for longer lines.
    2) Reroute long lines to closer FTTC cabs.


  • #558
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    bk wrote: »
    lucernarian, I think and hope that it is just a case of them being focused on the low hanging fruit of high speed VDSL.

    I'm hoping that when they complete the VDSL rollout, that they don't just turn all their attention to FTTH and will also look at getting most out of the FTTC cabs too by:

    1) Enabling ADSL2+ from the cabs for longer lines.
    2) Reroute long lines to closer FTTC cabs.
    They'd be better off spending the money on more eVDSL than enabling ten lines in the case of one cabinet in Drogheda.

    There are some reports I read here that at least 2) is happening but it seems that nowadays there are legal issues with transferring lines to cabinets served by different exchanges, even if it's just an RSU of a nearby exchange. I know that a couple of thousand lines on the southern edge of Drogheda were all collectively transferred to a new exchange and DSLAM in the area engineering headquarters but perhaps a deal was done with BT (the only LLU operator in Drogheda) to cheaply allow LLU access in the new exchange as there were still thousands of lines that could be served. This was several years ago now and I don't have enough info on how those lines were transferred en-masse.


  • #559
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    lucernarian wrote: »
    They'd be better off spending the money on more eVDSL than enabling ten lines in the case of one cabinet in Drogheda.

    This isn't just about Drogheda, there are lines all over the country that are more then 2km from a cab, but would get better performance from the cab if it had ADSL2+ enabled.

    The priorities should be:
    1) deploy VDSL cabs
    2) EVDSL
    3) reroute cables to closer cabs
    4) enable ADSL2+ from cabs

    My sisters home is a perfect example of 3, she seems to be just 850 Meters from a cab which for some strange reason it seems her cable passes right by, but doesn't connect to, instead connecting directly to the exchange 2.5km away!

    Of course EVDSL is important, however the delay with it doesn't seem to have anything to do with priorities or money, in fact it is pretty cheap to stick a VDSL rack in an exchange. No the issue seems to be regulatory.

    I say enable ADSL2+ in cabs is lowest priority, assuming that it isn't a simple throwing of a software switch in the cab to enable it, if it is that simple (if the VDSL cards are backwards compatible with ADSL2+ as some have suggested, then obviously the priority should be increased).


  • #560
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Anyone got this exchange launched service yet?

    If so please post speed tests and line stats. I'm curious to see how it compares to FTTC.

    Calling it "fibre" is a bit of a stretch though. I don't think that should be allowed as a marketing term. It's exchange launched DSL just like an enhanced version of ADSL. No fibre in the local loop is involved at all.


  • #561
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    bk wrote: »
    I say enable ADSL2+ in cabs is lowest priority, assuming that it isn't a simple throwing of a software switch in the cab to enable it, if it is that simple (if the VDSL cards are backwards compatible with ADSL2+ as some have suggested, then obviously the priority should be increased).

    Thats bound to run in the same objections from LLU operators, probably why they havent tried it already.


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  • #562
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    ED E wrote: »
    Thats bound to run in the same objections from LLU operators, probably why they havent tried it already.

    Yes, I was thinking the same. Though I do think they should do it from exchanges with no LLU, just like they seem to be doing with EVDSL.

    Though I do understand that EVDSL is the priority and one battle at a time.


  • #563
    loyatemu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,107 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    Calling it "fibre" is a bit of a stretch though. I don't think that should be allowed as a marketing term. It's exchange launched DSL just like an enhanced version of ADSL. No fibre in the local loop is involved at all.

    It's all copper feeding into fibre backhaul, doesn't really make much difference where the fibre starts.

    Having marketed VDSL as "eFibre" I'm curious as to how they will market FTTH when it launches in August - "SuperFibre", "FibrePlus"?


  • #564
    dbit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    Super ultra mega photon array Quantum light Fiber ? Copyright DBit ( F you Eircom its mine)


  • #565
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    loyatemu wrote: »
    It's all copper feeding into fibre backhaul, doesn't really make much difference where the fibre starts.

    Having marketed VDSL as "eFibre" I'm curious as to how they will market FTTH when it launches in August - "SuperFibre", "FibrePlus"?

    I think they will simply market it as eFibre 150, eFibre 300 and eFibre 1000 or eFibre Giga, something like that.

    Maybe they will call it eFiber+ 150, but they won't stray too far from the eFibre name.

    Eircom won't really want to differentiate between VDSL and FTTH. Remember FTTH is much more expensive then VDSL for Eircom and 100Mb/s VDSL is probably plenty fast for most people for the foreseeable future. Eircom will probably want to keep most people on VDSL for as long as possible.

    Thus Eircom probably won't want to emphasise too much of a difference between VDSL and FTTH. Instead they will likely just emphasise the different speeds offered and I would assume a price premium for the higher speeds of FTTH.

    That way most people will probably happily stay on VDSL and only the high end users like us here on this forum will sign up for FTTH.

    Also remember it won't all be FTTH, there will also likely be a mix of FTTDP/G.Fast (last 100 meters copper) and FTTB (Fibre to the building, with the last 100 meters to each apartment being G.Fast over copper or pure ethernet).

    So better not call it FTTH, eFibre is a nice generic marketing term for all their very high speed broadband products.


  • #566
    dbit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    Well the next generation thing is now a dead over flogged horse , so it'll have to be quantum leap, USS enterprise, Dawn of birth bringer , or some from of super branding as they want more attention , a re branding wouldn't do them any harm. Shure whats peg at the local village shop going to care what its called , Tinternet in her eyes .


  • #567
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,963 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    they should have adsl2+ in the cabs would really help many people within 1-2km of the cab get half decent speeds who can't get fibre. In my case I would propably jump up to 15-18meg if adsl2+ was available from nearest cabinet.


  • #568
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    MMFITWGDV wrote: »
    Wholesale = http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/Our_Network/
    Retail = http://www.eircom.net/efibreinfo/map/

    Retail is used by salespeople who you ring up to order eFibre from and we all trust them to be 100%, bang-on, totally and completely accurate - right? :rolleyes:

    The wholesale should be actually be closer to the truth - don't know why though. :D

    Eircom rep told me wholesale is closer to the truth. Retail is just a timeline when they think they'll get started.


  • #569
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    versager wrote: »
    So after I rang the eircom sales department, I got the confirmation it's really available for me now. I was told the starting date rollout is 6th of May, my appointment with a technician is planned for the 11th of May. Signed a new 18 month contract straight away, it starts to be valid from the day of upgrade connection.

    Today is the 6th, any news from eircom or Comreg?


  • #570
    trompele
    Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭trompele


    Domeld can confirm that looks like Gorey evdsl from exchange is going live on 27th may in Gorey.


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  • #571
    oleras
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,724 ✭✭✭oleras


    Seems to be work ongoing of late around Patrickswell Co.Limerick, Pole work is what i have noticed...i.e. guys up poles.

    Due initially may 15, now saying summer 15.

    Other than the rollout map is there another way to find out if it is actually going ahead ?


  • #572
    domeld
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭domeld


    trompele wrote: »
    Domeld can confirm that looks like Gorey evdsl from exchange is going live on 27th may in Gorey.

    True, so far max speed 70/20


  • #573
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Little birdie tells me 57 exchanges (of ~900) live for EVDSL to date.


  • #574
    Varik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Thought upgrade was months off but it's crept up on me, not sure what if any improvement I'll see.


  • #575
    dbit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    buddy in ringaskiddy of all places gets thsi result then effing so and so
    {"ccb":"E01","date":"27/05/2015","eee":"RIS","xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":true,"ingb":true,"maxHSI":"15M_3M_R","maxNGB":"15M_768K_RH","maxNRA":"12M_1M_FR","maxHSIServiceCode":"FCBPS","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","maxNRAServiceCode":"FCBPS","phone":"xxx-xxxxxx","ere":"27/05/2015","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}


  • #576
    yuloni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭yuloni


    This post has been deleted.


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  • #577
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    yuloni wrote: »
    57 exchanges, a few thousand possible customers and not a single bloody post of some router stats!

    They're identical to any unvectored cabs.


  • #578
    domeld
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭domeld


    yuloni wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I will post as long it will be connected somewhere in Gorey :D


  • #579
    Barry5714
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭Barry5714


    ED E wrote: »
    They're identical to any unvectored cabs.

    Do you know if vectoring can be implemented on eVDSL and would it be of any benefit to people beyond the 1500m mark???

    (Exchange is currently ADSL 8MB efibre due to go live this month)..


  • #580
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Barry5714 wrote: »
    Do you know if vectoring can be implemented on eVDSL and would it be of any benefit to people beyond the 1500m mark???

    (Exchange is currently ADSL 8MB efibre due to go live this month)..

    Its called SLV or system level vectoring and as far as we know its being worked on. Still max range 2000m, and adsl will be faster above 1600-1700m.


  • #581
    Barry5714
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭Barry5714


    1900m from the exchange myself.. Just have to hope they make some use of the surplus ADSL2+ equipment they have lying around..

    Thanks for the info ED...


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  • #582
    mailsanchu
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭mailsanchu


    Some references on evdsl

    http://www.highlandradio.com/2015/05/05/comreg-blamed-for-delay-in-donegal-town-centre-efibre-rollout/

    https://www.facebook.com/CharlieMcConalogue


  • #583
    mailsanchu
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭mailsanchu


    yuloni wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.


    I think only small percentage of evdsl subscribers are active here


  • #584
    mass_debater
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭mass_debater


    ED E wrote: »
    Its called SLV or system level vectoring and as far as we know its being worked on. Still max range 2000m, and adsl will be faster above 1600-1700m.

    Eircom say 1700m max for eVDSL so you'd be better off on ADSL over 1400-1500m


  • #585
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    mass_debater wrote: »
    Eircom say 1700m max for eVDSL so you'd be better off on ADSL over 1400-1500m

    My point was 2000m post vectoring, the 1700 is the current limit.

    Over 1400m I wouldn't take it, any quality issues and you're In trouble.


  • #586
    yuloni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭yuloni


    This post has been deleted.


  • #587
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Its all Annex 17A, but modems (least not ISP ones) wont tell you what exact bands are live. I cant see them matching 17Mhz performance with 1/8th of the spectrum though...


  • #588
    Tweaky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Tweaky


    Hi
    Getting this info back in relation to my exchange - does this mean I will get 50/20 when it goes live or 34/16

    {"ccb":"E01","date":"10/06/2015","eee":"CHT","xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":true,"ingb":true,"maxHSI":"50M_20M_R","maxNGB":"20M_768K_RH","maxNRA":"34M_16M_FR","maxHSIServiceCode":"FCBPS","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","maxNRAServiceCode":"FCBPS","phone":"xxx-xxxxxxx","ere":"10/06/2015","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}

    I am about 500M from the exchange


  • #589
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    34_16 is if you chose TV. Expect 50_20 or 40_20 normally.


  • #590
    mailsanchu
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭mailsanchu


    Tweaky wrote: »
    Hi
    Getting this info back in relation to my exchange - does this mean I will get 50/20 when it goes live or 34/16

    {"ccb":"E01","date":"10/06/2015","eee":"CHT","xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":true,"ingb":true,"maxHSI":"50M_20M_R","maxNGB":"20M_768K_RH","maxNRA":"34M_16M_FR","maxHSIServiceCode":"FCBPS","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","maxNRAServiceCode":"FCBPS","phone":"xxx-xxxxxxx","ere":"10/06/2015","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}

    I am about 500M from the exchange

    Is this 10/06/2015 the GO LIVE date ??


  • #591
    oleras
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,724 ✭✭✭oleras


    Tweaky wrote: »
    Hi
    Getting this info back in relation to my exchange - does this mean I will get 50/20 when it goes live or 34/16

    {"ccb":"E01","date":"10/06/2015","eee":"CHT","xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":true,"ingb":true,"maxHSI":"50M_20M_R","maxNGB":"20M_768K_RH","maxNRA":"34M_16M_FR","maxHSIServiceCode":"FCBPS","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","maxNRAServiceCode":"FCBPS","phone":"xxx-xxxxxxx","ere":"10/06/2015","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}

    I am about 500M from the exchange

    How did you go about getting that data ? I am due to be upgraded this month.


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  • #592
    Tweaky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Tweaky


    mailsanchu wrote: »
    Is this 10/06/2015 the GO LIVE date ??

    I have no idea to be honest - I know the exchange has only gone to blue in the past couple of weeks and genuinely wasn't expecting any results when I tried the link. Would be great if it was going live that quickly


  • #593
    Tweaky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Tweaky


    oleras wrote: »
    How did you go about getting that data ? I am due to be upgraded this month.

    Go to the post below and it will explain how to get it
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95161507&postcount=450


  • #594
    oleras
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,724 ✭✭✭oleras


    This means there is nothing live yet i take it ?
    {"aaa":"1366499","xbc":true,"xec":true,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":true,"maxNGB":"6M_512K_RHL","maxNGBServiceCode":"NGNBMB8M","phone":"061-xxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}


  • #595
    Varik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Saying may 15 for me, currently on 15/768.

    Not expectung much.


  • #596
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    oleras wrote: »
    This means there is nothing live yet i take it ?

    No tests on file yet, so likely they haven't got the racks up and running yet. You're further off than Tweaky.
    Varik wrote: »
    Saying may 15 for me, currently on 15/768.

    Not expectung much.

    Probably right to, assuming you're 1700-2000m away as that sync would suggest. If your current down attenuation is lower than ~22dB you might see a bump up to 20Mb_4Mb.


  • #597
    Varik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    ED E wrote: »
    No tests on file yet, so likely they haven't got the racks up and running yet. You're further off than Tweaky.



    Probably right to, assuming you're 1700-2000m away as that sync would suggest. If your current down attenuation is lower than ~22dB you might see a bump up to 20Mb_4Mb.

    Think it's 19/20/21, haven't looked in a while and can't now but was on to eircom about line stats and prifile years ago.


  • #598
    DerMutt
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭DerMutt


    Saw a couple of eircom vans installing cables near the hotel in Carrigaline, Co. Cork today. Just had a look at the Where and When page and CGI1_E01 is blue! :) I'm about 400m from the exchange so I'm looking forward to a nice speed bump...


  • #599
    dbit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    GOOD NEWS everyone DBIT has been unbanned from Eircom support forums ( Like i need them that much) dammit.


  • #600
    mailsanchu
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭mailsanchu


    dbit wrote: »
    GOOD NEWS everyone DBIT has been unbanned from Eircom support forums ( Like i need them that much) dammit.

    What is DBIT ??


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  • #601
    dbit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    My name ?


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