Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread V

justsomebloke · 31-10-2014 1:32pm

dub_skav wrote: »

I reckon he can be a great success so long as we give him time to settle and give him a fair chance (see Kirchner and Isa for examples of writing guys off too early).

The obvious issue is, that if he is a great success, we could easily lose him to a foreign team if he looks to play international rugby

stephen_n · 31-10-2014 1:36pm

It will be months before we really get a good enough look at him playing to form proper opinions, this is all a little premature tbh.

dub_skav · 31-10-2014 1:37pm

justsomebloke wrote: »

The obvious issue is, that if he is a great success, we could easily lose him to a foreign team if he looks to play international rugby

But by then the great post world cup sweepstakes will be in full flow, so he'll have done his job.

former legend · 31-10-2014 1:40pm

stephen_n wrote: »

It will be months before we really get a good enough look at him playing to form proper opinions, this is all a little premature tbh.

He'll be playing at 13 against Quins I'd say. At least, I hope he is.

stephen_n · 31-10-2014 1:41pm

former legend wrote: »

He'll be playing at 13 against Quins I'd say. At least, I hope he is.

I just mean that one or two games is not enough to make a proper judgement, no matter what, we can't expect him to be that good that he'll be up to speed straight out of the blocks.

Tox56 · 31-10-2014 1:56pm

former legend wrote: »

He'll be playing at 13 against Quins I'd say. At least, I hope he is.

I don't think that's anywhere near certain though, MOC likes Reid and they won't want to sacrifice Madigan's goalkicking too easily, and obviously Darce will play if fit. If Te'o isn't particularly impressing by December (which is pretty likely) I'd be very surprised if he started in the H cup

former legend · 31-10-2014 2:42pm

Tox56 wrote: »

I don't think that's anywhere near certain though, MOC likes Reid and they won't want to sacrifice Madigan's goalkicking too easily, and obviously Darce will play if fit. If Te'o isn't particularly impressing by December (which is pretty likely) I'd be very surprised if he started in the H cup

Not certain but I'd say it's the plan. The attack is totally blunted by the Gopperth-Madigan-D'Arcy midfield and we need a proper 13. Gopperth is good enough a goal kicker for Madigan not to be indispensable. There are three games before we go to Quins; we'll have a decent idea of where he's at by then.

Pudsy33 · 31-10-2014 2:46pm

I'd like to see Madigan Darcy Te'o but can't see Madigan getting much of a shot at 10.

armchaircoach · 31-10-2014 2:50pm

Macken couldn't buy his way into the squad at the moment. So we can probably assume that both his (and MOCs) plans involve him being somewhere else next year. D'Arcy is also retiring, so like it or not Teo will have to be played a lot as 13 this year as he seems to be the only avenue that leinster are investing in as a future 13. We are highly unlikely to be allowed sign another foreign back next season, so unless there is some completely hidden gem in the academy, Teo is going to need a lot more than a few B&I starts over the next few months.

But no pressure $:\$

LostArt · 31-10-2014 2:51pm

Pudsy33 wrote: »

I'd like to see Madigan Darcy Te'o but can't see Madigan getting much of a shot at 10.

I think he'll got a shot at it, taking his chance is another matter though

vienne86 · 31-10-2014 3:05pm

LostArt wrote: »

I think he'll got a shot at it, taking his chance is another matter though

Taking his chance has been his problem - he just has not done that when the chance comes his way.

ssaye2 · 31-10-2014 4:27pm

https://twitter.com/Rugbai_BEO/status/528174414383570944

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Quint2010 · 31-10-2014 7:02pm

LostArt wrote: »

I think he'll got a shot at it, taking his chance is another matter though

I would have Madigan over Gopperth all day long at 10. Problem is Madigan is needed elsewhere at the moment.

Quint2010 · 31-10-2014 7:12pm

armchaircoach wrote: »

Macken couldn't buy his way into the squad at the moment. So we can probably assume that both his (and MOCs) plans involve him being somewhere else next year. D'Arcy is also retiring, so like it or not Teo will have to be played a lot as 13 this year as he seems to be the only avenue that leinster are investing in as a future 13. We are highly unlikely to be allowed sign another foreign back next season, so unless there is some completely hidden gem in the academy, Teo is going to need a lot more than a few B&I starts over the next few months.

But no pressure $:\$

There is a gem. His name is Garry Ringrose.

Tox56 · 31-10-2014 7:34pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

There is a gem. His name is Garry Ringrose.

Is he really that good? He was very good in the JWC in fairness but that kind of came out of nowhere and he was pretty average when he played in the 6 nations. He's got talent but he didn't seem stand out

Buer · 31-10-2014 7:48pm

Being nominated for that award means bugger all. Some have been and gone on to massive things. Some have and are fringe players at clubs.

Ringrose looks good but I'd be far from convinced he will even end up a first choice Leinster player.

Hagz · 31-10-2014 7:51pm

Tox56 wrote: »

Is he really that good? He was very good in the JWC in fairness but that kind of came out of nowhere and he was pretty average when he played in the 6 nations. He's got talent but he didn't seem stand out

He's not good enough to be playing senior rugby this year no. Unlikely that he'll see much next year either I think. The highest in the pecking order would be O'Loughlin. But I wouldn't expect to see him this season. Next season is when I think they'll be looking to expose Farrell/ROL and Ringrose to a bit of senior rugby.

errlloyd · 31-10-2014 7:52pm

Does BBC Alba have English commentary now?

Quint2010 · 31-10-2014 7:53pm

Tox56 wrote: »

Is he really that good? He was very good in the JWC in fairness but that kind of came out of nowhere and he was pretty average when he played in the 6 nations. He's got talent but he didn't seem stand out

Buer wrote: »

Being nominated for that award means bugger all. Some have been and gone on to massive things. Some have and are fringe players at clubs.

Ringrose looks good but I'd be far from convinced he will even end up a first choice Leinster player.

Well considering he is eligible again this year we will see. But to be nominated for POTY as an U19 is about as good as it gets for an Irish player.

former legend · 31-10-2014 8:01pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

There is a gem. His name is Garry Ringrose.

Isn't this exactly what we were saying about Macken when he was 19?

Tox56 · 31-10-2014 8:05pm

former legend wrote: »

Isn't this exactly what we were saying about Macken when he was 19?

In fairness we remember the flops more than the successes sometimes. People were saying the same things about Healy, Fitz, SOB, Kearney, D'Arcy, BOD, Cullen, Ruddock at the same age too

My point is not so much about Ringrose but about the 'hyping' of young players in general

Quint2010 · 31-10-2014 8:06pm

former legend wrote: »

Isn't this exactly what we were saying about Macken when he was 19?

Possibly I cant remember. Macken was slightly different though in that physically he was a big unit around that time. Ringrose has more guile and whats more can kick too. I reckon he is a gem of a player.

The Lost Sheep · 31-10-2014 9:49pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

There is a gem. His name is Garry Ringrose.

Wouldn't be over hyping him. He's good but only really been seen playing against people his own age

Quint2010 wrote: »

Possibly I cant remember. Macken was slightly different though in that physically he was a big unit around that time. Ringrose has more guile and whats more can kick too. I reckon he is a gem of a player.

How much rugby against players not the same age as him has he played. He's looked good playing against other 18/19 year olds but would hold judgement until he's played regularly and consistently against some older players be that AIL 1A, Provincial A level etc

Eat My Point · 31-10-2014 10:17pm

Ben Te'o possible broken arm!:(

justsomebloke · 31-10-2014 10:26pm

justsomebloke wrote: »

All I want from T'eo this evening is to not stand up with the ball after being tackled.

Apparently the correct answer should of been to not injure himself

. Gutted for him

errlloyd · 31-10-2014 10:36pm

Today's result makes me confident we are once again going to have our best period of the season during the international windows. I feel our wider squad has really benefited from B&I Cup success.

CatFromHue · 31-10-2014 10:45pm

Eat My Point wrote: »

Ben Te'o possible broken arm!:(

It was a weird looking incident, there didn't seem to be any impact to break it.

Looked like it was the wrist too.

Clegg · 31-10-2014 10:50pm

I can't recall the last time Leinster knocked on so much. Very disappointing as when Leinster put some phases together they actually looked a decent side. Poor performance overall imo.

sydthebeat · 31-10-2014 10:53pm

Considering the team we put out and how stretched the bench was, its an excellent result.

Luckly Edinburgh seconds are no where near ours, which shows we are rotating well and giving experience where needed.

D ryan, Conan, Denton, strauss and bent all had good games in the forwards. Both Luke's played well. Zane is a class above.

Buer · 31-10-2014 11:02pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Both Luke's played well. .

I can't agree with that at all. I don't want to break into broken record territory but McGrath was rightly taken off early enough.

durkadurka · 31-10-2014 11:04pm

We are away to treviso then home to the 'sprays at end November. A couple of wins there, plus Munster being at home to Ulster, would tighten things up at the top of the table.

After a ropey few weeks in September , the lads have dug out some results and we're in reasonable shape.

I reckon we have about 4 fewer points now than you would reasonable hope for us to have.

Hopefully we have a few players back for December and can get 6-8 points off quins, to put us in good shape in both tournaments .

Clegg · 31-10-2014 11:29pm

BoD is on the Late Late. Showing clips from him when he was on the show in 2005. He was fatter then than he is now in retirement. Absolute state of him.

irishbucsfan · 31-10-2014 11:33pm

Clegg wrote: »

BoD is on the Late Late. Showing clips from him when he was on the show in 2005. He was fatter then than he is now in retirement. Absolute state of him.

Was that during the time he was out with the severe shoulder injury? If so it's pretty common for players to put on weight when they pick up a similar injury (Dave Kearney!)

Clegg · 31-10-2014 11:35pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Was that during the time he was out with the severe shoulder injury? If so it's pretty common for players to put on weight when they pick up a similar injury (Dave Kearney!)

Not sure about the exact timeframe. It was 05/06 anyway. He def looked overweight though.

Quint2010 · 31-10-2014 11:39pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Wouldn't be over hyping him. He's good but only really been seen playing against people his own age

How much rugby against players not the same age as him has he played. He's looked good playing against other 18/19 year olds but would hold judgement until he's played regularly and consistently against some older players be that AIL 1A, Provincial A level etc

The discussion was about whether there was a gem within the context of the academy. I think he is one. Of course you cant measure him against older players yet because he probably isnt ready physically to face them. But I think he could be a star if the future is all I am saying. He looks a total natural.

Buer · 31-10-2014 11:49pm

If we somehow get everyone in the backline (11-15) fit as scheduled (Te'o excepted) for the Quins games, that means we'll have Fitz, Madigan, Fanning, McFadden, D'Arcy, Reid, Dave Kearney, Rob Kearney, and Kirchner all competing for spots.

Who misses out?

Must have players in those jerseys are, for me: 11. Luke Fitz, 13. D'Arcy, 15. Rob Kearney

Madigan is very likely to get the 12 jersey. The 14 jersey is wide open between McFadden, Kirchner and Dave Kearney with DK being very likely to miss out at this stage.

If Madigan covers 10 from the pitch, we should see ZK probably take the 14 jersey (McFadden will have too little game time) with the 22 and 23 jersey going to McFadden and AN Other. At this point, you'd have to say that Noel Reid and Fanning would be hard done by not to get a bench spot.

Journeyman_1 · 01-11-2014 12:05am

Buer wrote: »

If we somehow get everyone in the backline (11-15) fit as scheduled (Te'o excepted) for the Quins games, that means we'll have Fitz, Madigan, Fanning, McFadden, D'Arcy, Reid, Dave Kearney, Rob Kearney, and Kirchner all competing for spots.

Who misses out?

Must have players in those jerseys are, for me: 11. Luke Fitz, 13. D'Arcy, 15. Rob Kearney

Madigan is very likely to get the 12 jersey. The 14 jersey is wide open between McFadden, Kirchner and Dave Kearney with DK being very likely to miss out at this stage.

If Madigan covers 10 from the pitch, we should see ZK probably take the 14 jersey (McFadden will have too little game time) with the 22 and 23 jersey going to McFadden and AN Other. At this point, you'd have to say that Noel Reid and Fanning would be hard done by not to get a bench spot.

This is the cost of having such squad depth. When everyone is available, good players have to bench or play for the A's/sit on the sidelines. In that situation I think we have enough midfield cover in McFadden and Fitz, with Kirchner providing emergency cover, so I'd probably have Fanning ahead of Reid.

Having typed that I've realised, it's not likely to need 2 players covering back 3 either, so maybe Reid would be better, and he would probably provide more impact in a situation where we need to change it up tactically. It feels awful dropping Fanning after the performances he's put in though.

LostArt · 01-11-2014 12:08am

Buer wrote: »

If we somehow get everyone in the backline (11-15) fit as scheduled (Te'o excepted) for the Quins games, that means we'll have Fitz, Madigan, Fanning, McFadden, D'Arcy, Reid, Dave Kearney, Rob Kearney, and Kirchner all competing for spots.

Who misses out?

Must have players in those jerseys are, for me: 11. Luke Fitz, 13. D'Arcy, 15. Rob Kearney

Madigan is very likely to get the 12 jersey. The 14 jersey is wide open between McFadden, Kirchner and Dave Kearney with DK being very likely to miss out at this stage.

If Madigan covers 10 from the pitch, we should see ZK probably take the 14 jersey (McFadden will have too little game time) with the 22 and 23 jersey going to McFadden and AN Other. At this point, you'd have to say that Noel Reid and Fanning would be hard done by not to get a bench spot.

Kirchner all day long for 14 imo, even if Fergus was properly fit

Awkward Badger · 01-11-2014 12:25am

Yeah Kirchner for me too, I think he's currently probably the best Leinster back in the squad. Be tough on Fanning not to even bench but I'm sure he knows he's plugging a hole and his time is limited.

Fully fit I'd expect to see:

11. Fitz
12. Madigan
13. Darcy
14. Kirchner
15. Kearney

Hagz · 01-11-2014 12:32am

I'd rather see Reid at 12 with Madigan at 10.

Fireball07 · 01-11-2014 12:38am

How about

11. Luke, 12. McFadden, 13. D'Arcy, 14. Kirchner, 15. Rob Kearney

22. Madigan, 23. Dave Kearney

CatFromHue · 01-11-2014 1:02am

For me on the wing I'd have both DK and McFadden ahead of ZK.

McFadden, who is really industrious and has shown his quality before, would be ahead of DK, who I think is a very tidy player.

Hagz · 01-11-2014 1:24am

Well it's definitley a broken arm for Te'o. Watching the game back and the physio says it to Owens.

molloyjh · 01-11-2014 1:31am

09. Reddan
10. Madigan
11. Fitz
12. Reid
13. Darce
14. Kirchner
15. R Kearney

21. Boss
22. Gopperth
23. McFadden

Dave unlucky to miss out, but McFadden hasn't played 12 in a while so couldn't really slot in there at this stage. Plus he's too similar to Darce. And McFadden covers more positions so Dave would want to be tearing up trees to get back in.

You could argue for Gopperth at 10 and Mads at 12 with Ferg and Dave getting bench spots, but I wouldn't be keen on that kind of limited cover from the bench personally.

.ak · 01-11-2014 3:28am

Anyone have any idea how long teo will be out then?

Also what's the story with this voodoo curse?

awec · 01-11-2014 3:44am

Presumably Douglas was concussed as well?

shuffol · 01-11-2014 4:00am

I think Nacewa broke his arm in his first game too definitely very early on in his Leinster career.

Hagz · 01-11-2014 4:10am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE6ioGbLPD8

Swiwi. · 01-11-2014 7:14am

CatFromHue wrote: »

For me on the wing I'd have both DK and McFadden ahead of ZK.

McFadden, who is really industrious and has shown his quality before, would be ahead of DK, who I think is a very tidy player.

ZK has been excellent. ZK 14 LF 11 RK 15 that is a very decent back 3. When was the last time zane was caught out of position? He's great in that sense. McFadden on the bench or even 12 as Fireball suggested although I'd stick with Reid.

Swiwi. · 01-11-2014 7:17am

.ak wrote: »

Anyone have any idea how long teo will be out then?

Disappointed you didn't read the match thread .ak. Tut tut

If it's a fractured distal radius needing surgery I would say in the vicinity of 2 months. If just a cast needed (unlikely) maybe 6 weeks.

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