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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread V

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    #2252
    justsomebloke
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    dub_skav wrote: »
    I reckon he can be a great success so long as we give him time to settle and give him a fair chance (see Kirchner and Isa for examples of writing guys off too early).

    The obvious issue is, that if he is a great success, we could easily lose him to a foreign team if he looks to play international rugby


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    #2253
    stephen_n
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    It will be months before we really get a good enough look at him playing to form proper opinions, this is all a little premature tbh.


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    #2254
    dub_skav
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    justsomebloke wrote: »
    The obvious issue is, that if he is a great success, we could easily lose him to a foreign team if he looks to play international rugby
    But by then the great post world cup sweepstakes will be in full flow, so he'll have done his job.


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    #2255
    former legend
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    stephen_n wrote: »
    It will be months before we really get a good enough look at him playing to form proper opinions, this is all a little premature tbh.

    He'll be playing at 13 against Quins I'd say. At least, I hope he is.


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    #2256
    stephen_n
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    former legend wrote: »
    He'll be playing at 13 against Quins I'd say. At least, I hope he is.

    I just mean that one or two games is not enough to make a proper judgement, no matter what, we can't expect him to be that good that he'll be up to speed straight out of the blocks.


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    #2257
    Tox56
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    former legend wrote: »
    He'll be playing at 13 against Quins I'd say. At least, I hope he is.

    I don't think that's anywhere near certain though, MOC likes Reid and they won't want to sacrifice Madigan's goalkicking too easily, and obviously Darce will play if fit. If Te'o isn't particularly impressing by December (which is pretty likely) I'd be very surprised if he started in the H cup


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    #2258
    former legend
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    I don't think that's anywhere near certain though, MOC likes Reid and they won't want to sacrifice Madigan's goalkicking too easily, and obviously Darce will play if fit. If Te'o isn't particularly impressing by December (which is pretty likely) I'd be very surprised if he started in the H cup

    Not certain but I'd say it's the plan. The attack is totally blunted by the Gopperth-Madigan-D'Arcy midfield and we need a proper 13. Gopperth is good enough a goal kicker for Madigan not to be indispensable. There are three games before we go to Quins; we'll have a decent idea of where he's at by then.


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    #2259
    Pudsy33
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    I'd like to see Madigan Darcy Te'o but can't see Madigan getting much of a shot at 10.


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    #2260
    armchaircoach
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    Macken couldn't buy his way into the squad at the moment. So we can probably assume that both his (and MOCs) plans involve him being somewhere else next year. D'Arcy is also retiring, so like it or not Teo will have to be played a lot as 13 this year as he seems to be the only avenue that leinster are investing in as a future 13. We are highly unlikely to be allowed sign another foreign back next season, so unless there is some completely hidden gem in the academy, Teo is going to need a lot more than a few B&I starts over the next few months.

    But no pressure :\


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    #2261
    LostArt
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    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    I'd like to see Madigan Darcy Te'o but can't see Madigan getting much of a shot at 10.

    I think he'll got a shot at it, taking his chance is another matter though


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    #2262
    vienne86
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    LostArt wrote: »
    I think he'll got a shot at it, taking his chance is another matter though

    Taking his chance has been his problem - he just has not done that when the chance comes his way.


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    #2263
    ssaye2
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    https://twitter.com/Rugbai_BEO/status/528174414383570944

    Fanj * 2


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    #2264
    Quint2010
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    LostArt wrote: »
    I think he'll got a shot at it, taking his chance is another matter though

    I would have Madigan over Gopperth all day long at 10. Problem is Madigan is needed elsewhere at the moment.


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    #2265
    Quint2010
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    armchaircoach wrote: »
    Macken couldn't buy his way into the squad at the moment. So we can probably assume that both his (and MOCs) plans involve him being somewhere else next year. D'Arcy is also retiring, so like it or not Teo will have to be played a lot as 13 this year as he seems to be the only avenue that leinster are investing in as a future 13. We are highly unlikely to be allowed sign another foreign back next season, so unless there is some completely hidden gem in the academy, Teo is going to need a lot more than a few B&I starts over the next few months.

    But no pressure :\

    There is a gem. His name is Garry Ringrose.


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    #2266
    Tox56
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    There is a gem. His name is Garry Ringrose.

    Is he really that good? He was very good in the JWC in fairness but that kind of came out of nowhere and he was pretty average when he played in the 6 nations. He's got talent but he didn't seem stand out


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    #2267
    Buer
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    Being nominated for that award means bugger all. Some have been and gone on to massive things. Some have and are fringe players at clubs.

    Ringrose looks good but I'd be far from convinced he will even end up a first choice Leinster player.


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    #2268
    Hagz
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    Is he really that good? He was very good in the JWC in fairness but that kind of came out of nowhere and he was pretty average when he played in the 6 nations. He's got talent but he didn't seem stand out

    He's not good enough to be playing senior rugby this year no. Unlikely that he'll see much next year either I think. The highest in the pecking order would be O'Loughlin. But I wouldn't expect to see him this season. Next season is when I think they'll be looking to expose Farrell/ROL and Ringrose to a bit of senior rugby.


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    #2269
    errlloyd
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    Does BBC Alba have English commentary now?


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    #2270
    Quint2010
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    Is he really that good? He was very good in the JWC in fairness but that kind of came out of nowhere and he was pretty average when he played in the 6 nations. He's got talent but he didn't seem stand out
    Buer wrote: »
    Being nominated for that award means bugger all. Some have been and gone on to massive things. Some have and are fringe players at clubs.

    Ringrose looks good but I'd be far from convinced he will even end up a first choice Leinster player.

    Well considering he is eligible again this year we will see. But to be nominated for POTY as an U19 is about as good as it gets for an Irish player.


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    #2271
    former legend
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    There is a gem. His name is Garry Ringrose.

    Isn't this exactly what we were saying about Macken when he was 19?


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    #2272
    Tox56
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    former legend wrote: »
    Isn't this exactly what we were saying about Macken when he was 19?

    In fairness we remember the flops more than the successes sometimes. People were saying the same things about Healy, Fitz, SOB, Kearney, D'Arcy, BOD, Cullen, Ruddock at the same age too

    My point is not so much about Ringrose but about the 'hyping' of young players in general


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    #2273
    Quint2010
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    former legend wrote: »
    Isn't this exactly what we were saying about Macken when he was 19?

    Possibly I cant remember. Macken was slightly different though in that physically he was a big unit around that time. Ringrose has more guile and whats more can kick too. I reckon he is a gem of a player.


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    #2274
    The Lost Sheep
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    There is a gem. His name is Garry Ringrose.
    Wouldn't be over hyping him. He's good but only really been seen playing against people his own age
    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Possibly I cant remember. Macken was slightly different though in that physically he was a big unit around that time. Ringrose has more guile and whats more can kick too. I reckon he is a gem of a player.
    How much rugby against players not the same age as him has he played. He's looked good playing against other 18/19 year olds but would hold judgement until he's played regularly and consistently against some older players be that AIL 1A, Provincial A level etc


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    Eat My Point
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    Ben Te'o possible broken arm!:(


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    #2276
    justsomebloke
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    justsomebloke wrote: »
    All I want from T'eo this evening is to not stand up with the ball after being tackled.

    Apparently the correct answer should of been to not injure himself :(. Gutted for him


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    #2277
    errlloyd
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    Today's result makes me confident we are once again going to have our best period of the season during the international windows. I feel our wider squad has really benefited from B&I Cup success.


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    #2278
    CatFromHue
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    Eat My Point wrote: »
    Ben Te'o possible broken arm!:(

    It was a weird looking incident, there didn't seem to be any impact to break it.

    Looked like it was the wrist too.


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    #2279
    Clegg
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    I can't recall the last time Leinster knocked on so much. Very disappointing as when Leinster put some phases together they actually looked a decent side. Poor performance overall imo.


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    #2280
    sydthebeat
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    Considering the team we put out and how stretched the bench was, its an excellent result.

    Luckly Edinburgh seconds are no where near ours, which shows we are rotating well and giving experience where needed.

    D ryan, Conan, Denton, strauss and bent all had good games in the forwards. Both Luke's played well. Zane is a class above.


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    #2281
    Buer
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Both Luke's played well. .

    I can't agree with that at all. I don't want to break into broken record territory but McGrath was rightly taken off early enough.


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