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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    I read that interview on cyclingnews and was a bit surprised by that.


    In comparison, Stephen Roche says on that podcast interview on The Bike Show, that someone posted about here a few days ago, that he studied the course guide in a lot of detail to plan where and when he attacked.


    Also, there is an article in Procycling this month about Sky's bid for yellow and green - they interview a number of people associated with the last team to do that successfully, Telekom with Zabel and Ullrich and Zabel and Riis - Udo Bolts advises Wiggins to "look really closely at the road book in the last week and have a plan for where you are going to use your men".


    I guess there is more ham one way to approach it, and maybe Wiggins is overstating his nonchalance anyway. interesting though.

    meh, wiggins has people to do that for him

    maybe theres a reason so many riders seem to be 'followers' these days


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    buffalo wrote: »
    League Name: boards.ie TdF
    League Code: 22110408

    Team Backseatsmen have joined. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 546 ✭✭✭elduggo


    jimm wrote: »
    Which Easons was this? Liffey Valley branch are sold out of the boxed one.

    the square tallaght. They had 1 left.


  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭Crippens1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 650 ✭✭✭jimm


    elduggo wrote: »
    the square tallaght. They had 1 left.

    Well now they've none left, as I picked up the last one this afternoon. :)

    Thanks elduggo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭sy


    Crippens1 wrote: »
    Surprise surprise. My prediction from 11 months ago comes true ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Esroh


    I read that interview on cyclingnews and was a bit surprised by that.


    In comparison, Stephen Roche says on that podcast interview on The Bike Show, that someone posted about here a few days ago, that he studied the course guide in a lot of detail to plan where and when he attacked.


    Also, there is an article in Procycling this month about Sky's bid for yellow and green - they interview a number of people associated with the last team to do that successfully, Telekom with Zabel and Ullrich and Zabel and Riis - Udo Bolts advises Wiggins to "look really closely at the road book in the last week and have a plan for where you are going to use your men".


    I guess there is more ham one way to approach it, and maybe Wiggins is overstating his nonchalance anyway. interesting though.

    Were S Roche and Telekom boys not before race radio. Nowadays some guy in team car tells you all or its programmed into your garmin;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭WilcoYHF


    Lads, I'm not too sharp on who has a chance in the TdF as my interest in it has only started in the last few yrs but has Peter Sagan not got a chance of a top 10? His odds are very high.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp


    WilcoYHF wrote: »
    Lads, I'm not too sharp on who has a chance in the TdF as my interest in it has only started in the last few yrs but has Peter Sagan not got a chance of a top 10? His odds are very high.

    I'd think he'll lose too much time in the high mountains. He could win a couple of stages though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    WilcoYHF wrote: »
    Lads, I'm not too sharp on who has a chance in the TdF as my interest in it has only started in the last few yrs but has Peter Sagan not got a chance of a top 10? His odds are very high.

    I think it's a straight fight out between Wiggins and Evans.

    In relation to Sagan, he has had a phenomenal year so far. He will be fighting against Cav for the green jersey. He should be particularly prominent during the first few stages which have a lumpy finish. He's also not bad at short TT as the Tour due Suisse showed. He'll lose bucket loads in the Alps and Pyrenees though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭crumliniano


    jimm wrote: »
    Well now they've none left, as I picked up the last one this afternoon. :)

    Thanks elduggo.

    They still had 5 of them in Easons in Ashleaf Shopping Centre in Crumlin yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭crumliniano


    Esroh wrote: »
    Were S Roche and Telekom boys not before race radio. Nowadays some guy in team car tells you all or its programmed into your garmin;)

    Fair point


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭mcgratheoin


    It was the first time that I’d seen them all back-to-back.

    In fairness to him, he does say it's the first time "back to back". I'd imagine that they've analysed the stages where the race will be won and lost already. Similarly Cavendish wouldn't bother doing any serious work on the finishes to mountain stages - I doubt that it's the first time he's seen the stages themselves, just the first time he's seen them laid out in day by day order.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp


    In fairness to him, he does say it's the first time "back to back". I'd imagine that they've analysed the stages where the race will be won and lost already. Similarly Cavendish wouldn't bother doing any serious work on the finishes to mountain stages - I doubt that it's the first time he's seen the stages themselves, just the first time he's seen them laid out in day by day order.

    Hmm, you might be right but from what I've read he seems to put an exceptional amount of faith in the guys who work with him.

    Full quote

    "We’ve looked at a couple of the Tour stages," he said. "I’ve ridden the time trials and looked at a couple of the climbs too. Funnily enough, my son wanted a magazine on the flight over here and he decided to buy the official Tour Guide so I had a look at some of the stages in there. It was the first time that I’d seen them all back-to-back.

    "It’s my way of not looking too far ahead. I’ve recce’d some of the key climbs but I couldn’t tell you what stages they were. I try to take things day by day and it’s a little bit like a jigsaw that fits together gradually, piece by piece. My only priority at this stage is getting ready for Liege and that prologue and starting with a bang.

    "I haven't had much input into the squad we take. We have a selection panel who are in charge of picking the team and they’re looking constantly at everyone’s data – who’s doing what, how they’re performing, where they’re at. I have 100% faith in that selection panel to pick the right team and put the right people around us.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    With Cav stating that he is unlikely to put 100% effort into winning the green jersey, who's going to be the top sprinter? Sagan is making his TdF debut but he is the man on form.

    Also, this should help Wiggins as the Sky train won't be leading out Cav for the sprints.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭Morrisseeee


    Test your knowledge/memory: how many will you get right ?!

    Fill in the blanks, ie. blanks are spoilers that contain the answers.

    Multiple winners:
    7: Lance Armstrong (USA) – 1999-2005
    5:
    Jacques Anquetil (Fra)
    – 1957, 1961-64
    5: Eddy Merckx (Bel) – 1969-72, 1974
    5: Bernard Hinault (Fra) – 1978-79, 1981-82, 1985
    5: Miguel Indurain (Spa) – 1991-95

    Victories by nation:
    France: 36
    Belgium: 18
    Spain: 13
    USA: 10
    Italy: 9
    Luxembourg: 5
    Holland and Switzerland: 2
    Ireland, Denmark, Germany,
    Australia
    : 1

    Yellow jersey wearers by nation:
    France: 82
    Belgium: 53
    Italy: 25
    Holland: 17
    Germany: 12
    Spain: 12
    Switzerland: 10
    Luxembourg
    : 7
    Denmark: 6
    USA and Australia: 5
    Great Britain: 4
    Ireland: 3
    Canada: 2
    Austria, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Estonia, Colombia, Norway and Ukraine: 1

    Most days in the yellow jersey:
    Eddy Merckx (Bel): 111
    Lance Armstrong (USA): 83
    Bernard Hinault (Fra): 79
    Miguel Indurain
    (Spa): 60
    Jacques Anquetil (Fra): 52

    Polka-dot jersey winners by nation:
    France: 18
    Spain: 15
    Italy: 13
    Belgium: 11
    Colombia
    : 4


    Most white jersey victories:
    3: Andy Schleck (Lux) – 2008-2010
    3:
    Jan Ullrich (Ger)
    – 1996-98
    2: Marco Pantani (Ita) – 1994-95

    Most stage victories:
    34: Eddy Merckx (Bel)
    28:
    Bernard Hinault (Fra)
    25: Andre Leducq (Fra)
    22: Andre Darrigade (Fra)
    22: Lance Armstrong (USA)
    20: Nicolas Frantz (Lux)
    20: Mark Cavendish (GBr)

    Most time trial victories:
    20: Bernard Hinault (Fra)
    16: Eddy Merckx (Bel)
    11: Jacques Anquetil (Fra)
    11:
    Lance Armstrong (USA)

    Most Tour starts:
    16: Joop Zoetemelk (Hol)
    16:
    George Hincapie (USA)


  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭Crippens1


    L'Equipe have made their Tour Top 20 list and predict Wiggins to win with Evans second (see below). They have Nicolas Roche at 20th and their assessment was:
    "Vincent Lavenu is expecting a lot from Jean-Christophe Péraud (9th last year) but his preparation based on mountain biking (in order to get selected for the Olympics) should weigh against him. On the other hand, Nicolas Roche, the son of Stephen Roche, is coming from an interesting Tour of Switzerland and has achieved 3 top-30s from 3 Tours. Will he be able to hold out over 100km of time-trials, where he is often average? "
    1. Bradley WIGGINS (GBR/Sky) Meilleur classement : 4e en 2009
    2. Cadel EVANS (AUS/BMC) Meilleur classement : vainqueur en 2011
    3. Vincenzo NIBALI (ITA/Liquigas) Meilleur classement : 7e en 2009
    4. Jürgen VAN DEN BROECK (BEL/Lotto-Belisol) Meilleur classement : 4e en 2010
    5. Fränk SCHLECK (LUX/RadioShack Nissan) Meilleur classement : 3e en 2011
    6. Robert GESINK (HOL/Rabobank) Meilleur classement : 5e en 2010
    7. Levi LEIPHEIMER (USA/Omega Pharma-Quick Step)
    8. Samuel SANCHEZ (ESP/Eukaltel) Meilleur classement : 3e en 2010
    9. Jérôme COPPEL (FRA/Saur-Sojasun) Meilleur classement : 13e en 2011
    10. Ryder HESJEDAL (CAN/Garmin) Meilleur classement : 6e en 2010
    11. Jenez BRAJKOVIC (SLO/Astana)
    12. Alejandro VALVERDE (ESP/Movistar) Meilleur classement : 6e en 2007
    13. Tony MARTIN (ALL/Omega Pharma-Quick Step) Meilleur classement : 36e en 2009
    14. Christopher FROOME (ANG/Sky) Meilleur classement : 84e en 2008
    15. Pierre ROLLAND (FRA/Europcar) Meilleur classement : 10e en 2011
    16. Tom DANIELSON (USA/Garmin) Meilleur classement : 8e en 2011
    17. Tejay VAN GARDEREN (USA/BMC) Meilleur classement : 82e en 2011
    18. Maxime MONFORT (BEL/RadioShack Nissan) Meilleur classement : 23e en 2008
    19. Sylvain CHAVANEL (FRA/Omega Pharma-Quick Step) Meilleur classement : 19e en 2009
    20. Nicolas ROCHE (AG2R-La Mondiale) Meilleur classement : 15e en 2010


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Crippens1 wrote: »
    L'Equipe have made their Tour Top 20 list and predict Wiggins to win with Evans second (see below). They have Nicolas Roche at 20th and their assessment was:
    "Vincent Lavenu is expecting a lot from Jean-Christophe Péraud (9th last year) but his preparation based on mountain biking (in order to get selected for the Olympics) should weigh against him. On the other hand, Nicolas Roche, the son of Stephen Roche, is coming from an interesting Tour of Switzerland and has achieved 3 top-30s from 3 Tours. Will he be able to hold out over 100km of time-trials, where he is often average? "

    Pretty bang on assessment about Nico imo.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭manafana


    https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5vRi1j1m7swTjFmUkwwTjF5TFk

    my tour preview, enjoy betting thoughts at the end plenty suggested bets for people to choose from with a point rating.

    exciting with it being just a day away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Thought it might be an April fool: http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/martin-pens-tour-de-france-diary-deal-with-times-roche-remains-at-indo/

    Two Irish riders in the Tour, two columns, two national papers... IT'S ON!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Nostalgia alert!

    Anybody remember Channel 4's theme music back in the day?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭jinkypolly


    manafana wrote: »
    https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5vRi1j1m7swTjFmUkwwTjF5TFk

    my tour preview, enjoy betting thoughts at the end plenty suggested bets for people to choose from with a point rating.

    exciting with it being just a day away.

    Nice one manafana.


  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭Guybrush T


    buffalo wrote: »
    Thought it might be an April fool: http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/martin-pens-tour-de-france-diary-deal-with-times-roche-remains-at-indo/

    Two Irish riders in the Tour, two columns, two national papers... IT'S ON!

    Doesn't say if he's writing it all himself though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,988 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Nostalgia alert!

    Anybody remember Channel 4's theme music back in the day?


    If you're really feeling nostalgic ESPN Classic which is free on Sky (429) and NTL I think is showing old stages of the TdF every evening at the minute. watched Pantanni win on Ventoux in 2000 a couple of night ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    ITV4 schedule

    WATCH HIGHLIGHTS ON ITV4 AT 7PM EVERY EVENING

    Date


    Stage


    ITV4 and ITV4 HD live (BST)

    Saturday 30th June


    Prologue: Liege > Liege


    1400-1700

    Sunday 1st July


    Stage 1: Liege > Seraing


    1400-1630

    Monday 2nd July


    Stage 2: Vise > Tournai


    1400-1630

    Tuesday 3rd July


    Stage 3: Orchies > Boulogne-sur-Mer


    1400-1630

    Wednesday 4th July


    Stage 4: Abbeville > Rouen


    1400-1700

    Thursday 5th July


    Stage 5: Rouen > Saint-Quentin


    1400-1630

    Friday 6th July


    Stage 6: Epernay > Metz


    1400-1630

    Saturday 7th July


    Stage 7: Tomblaine > La Planche des Belles Filles


    1400-1630

    Sunday 8th July


    Stage 8: Belfort > Porrentruy


    1200-1630

    Monday 9th July


    Stage 9: Arc-et-Senans > Besancon


    1400-1700

    Tuesday 10th July


    REST DAY




    Wednesday 11th July


    Stage 10: Macon > Bellegarde-sur-Valserine


    1400-1630

    Thursday 12th July


    Stage 11: Albertville > La Toussuire-Les Sybelles


    1200-1700

    Friday 13th July


    Stage 12: Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne > Annonay Davezieux


    1200-1600

    Saturday 14th July


    Stage 13: Saint-Paul-Trois-Chateaux > Le Cap d'Agde


    1400-1630

    Sunday 15th July


    Stage 14: Limoux > Foix


    1400-1630

    Monday 16th July


    Stage 15: Samatan > Pau


    1400-1700

    Tuesday 17th July


    REST DAY




    Wednesday 18th July


    Stage 16: Pau > Bagneres-de-Luchon


    1200-1630

    Thursday 19th July


    Stage 17: Bagneres-de-Luchon > Peyragudes


    1200-1630

    Friday 20th July


    Stage 18: Blagnac > Brive-la-Gaillarde


    1300-1600
    Saturday 21st July


    Stage 19: Bonneval > Chartres


    1400-1700

    Sunday 22nd July


    Stage 20: Rambouillet > Paris Champs-Elysees


    1400-1700


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    ITV4 schedule ..............

    do they have schedule times listed for the million or so ad breaks that they will have during each programme :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    do they have schedule times listed for the million or so ad breaks that they will have during each programme :pac:

    a thanks would have sufficed ;)

    tg4 doesnt seem to have it on the schedule anywhere


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    I'm going to Liege tomorrow - just decided this evening, and as I haven't been following the racing that closely this year, reading this thread has got me super-excited!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭le petit braquet


    tg4 doesnt seem to have it on the schedule anywhere

    They are running the highlights package every night and its also repeated each morning. The live coverage only kicks in once their Wimbledon Beo is finished from Monday July 9th onwards, but there is live TDF coverage on Sunday 1st July as well. I think Wimbledon takes a break on that Sunday barring weather disruptions


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 546 ✭✭✭elduggo


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    I'm going to Liege tomorrow - just decided this evening, and as I haven't been following the racing that closely this year, reading this thread has got me super-excited!

    good on ya. Same here. Bring it on!

    (they're saying rain, which will make the part of the prologue that goes over cobbles mighty interesting!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Rovi


    The official presentation of the teams is on Eurosport right now, to be followed at 10 by an interview with Bradley Wiggins.


  • Registered Users Posts: 872 ✭✭✭smurphy29


    My UPC guide is suggesting the cycling coverage on ITV4 is 'not being shown in the Republic of Ireland'. Anyone else experiencing this disastrous malaise?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    smurphy29 wrote: »
    My UPC guide is suggesting the cycling coverage on ITV4 is 'not being shown in the Republic of Ireland'. Anyone else experiencing this disastrous malaise?

    pull out viewing card , reboot, voila english telly

    oops sorry missed the upc bit :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭le petit braquet


    smurphy29 wrote: »
    My UPC guide is suggesting the cycling coverage on ITV4 is 'not being shown in the Republic of Ireland'. Anyone else experiencing this disastrous malaise?

    Happens quite a lot with sport on ITV4 with UPC. Its presumably to do with broadcasting rights in Ireland and I've seen that notice for Rugby, Tennis and Motorsport. Looks like you need a refresher course sa teanga oifigiúl:D

    If you have a SKY box this can be circumvented but not AFAIK with UPC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    smurphy29 wrote: »
    My UPC guide is suggesting the cycling coverage on ITV4 is 'not being shown in the Republic of Ireland'. Anyone else experiencing this disastrous malaise?

    Yeah it always happens with any sport on ITV3/ITV4 on UPC I'm afraid.

    Your options are, as already mentioned, TG4, or subscribe to the Eurosport Player for July. I think it's around €5. It's well worth it imo. You can then watch it on your laptop or connect your laptop to a TV if you have the proper cable. Eurosport Player streams Eurosport HD too!

    If you know someone who has Sky and the sports package, then you could ask them if you could login into their Sky Go account and you can watch Eurosport live.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭Briando


    If you have a SKY box this can be circumvented but not AFAIK with UPC

    Damn.. so what options do us UPC smucks have to watch Le Tour?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭le petit braquet


    Yeah it always happens with any sport on ITV3/ITV4 on UPC I'm afraid.

    Your options are, as already mentioned, TG4, or subscribe to the Eurosport Player for July. I think it's around €5.

    The Eurosport smartphone app is also handy for keeping tabs on things when your work schedule interrupts your TDF schedule ;) It also allows you to subscribe for only a month at a time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭Briando


    Flicked on to eurosport now and live tour coverage at 1:15 it says!
    I'm on upc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Bunnyhopper


    TG4 seem to have online coverage starting at 1.30.
    Tour de France - Beo - Episode:1

    Live coverage of the 99th Tour de France. Begining with The Prologue -Liége to Liége on Saturday the 30th June @ 1.30pm.

    http://www.tg4.ie/en/tg4-player/tg4-player.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 256 ✭✭hoff1


    How do I tune in ITV 3 &4 on UPC??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭funnights74


    They should already be part of your standard package (well they are in mine) at No's 131 and 132. Unfortunately they're not showing the tour in Eire, something to do with broadcasting rights. Eurosport on 423 is your best bet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Is the live tracker on the Le Tour website? Cant find it this year.

    :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭funnights74


    <snip>


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭Briando


    Anybody know what time Roach and Martin are off in the prologue?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    irish-stew wrote: »
    Is the live tracker on the Le Tour website? Cant find it this year.

    :confused:

    big live buton on the front page

    http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2012/us/live/aso/
    CYCLING: In advance of his new Irish Times diaries throughout the Tour de France, which starts today, Dan Martin talks targets, injuries, tactics and what it means to compete for Ireland, writes SHANE STOKES , Cycling Corresponden

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0630/1224319039099.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    MOD WARNING : PLEASE READ THE STICKY ON POSTING RACE INFO. KEEP STAGE DISCUSSION TO STAGE SPECIFIC THREADS

    dont make me start handing out warnings we are only in the prologue ffs


  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭michaelm


    Anyone here go to this? - one of the few stages easily accessible from Ireland in a day, sorry I didn't think of this a few weeks ago when flights would have been cheap, would have made a nice day out!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Prologue highlights are on TG4 tonight at 11.25 - 11.55 pm, and on Eurosport 1 at 10.30 - 11.30 pm :)


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