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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 175 ✭✭The Bishop!


    robindch wrote: »
    Bish -- no need to feel inadequate -- A+A welcomes people of all levels of smartipantness.

    Good to hear. Was just joshing of course. There are indeed some fine minds around these parts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    This is the best run forum on the site. The moderators are extremely reasonable, and the regulars deal with trolls superbly. People are very, very fair here. This place makes me feel like there actually is a bright future for humanity. It's a nice cosy little corner of boards.ie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    *Time to get chuffed lads and laddies.*

    Ok, so I've been a regular-ish member here for a few years now. (I'm not keeping count :p). In that time I've started threads here about stuff that simply isn't relevant to atheism but I started them because I knew that here of all places I'd get damn good reasoned well though out and, most importantly, respectful arguments both for and against. So that's one plus for this forum.

    But this forum has made me aware of so much stuff I simply wasn't aware of. A list would simply be too long. I've quite simply learned a load of stuff, being exposed to new philosophies and from the help of some of the regulars here have actually learned and gained interests in stuff I thought I'd have no interest in whatsoever. What more can you ask for?

    Finally,the fact both strabogolis, strobey, me and others are allowed to post nothing but bizarre stream of conscience likes posts in a thread of our own shows how awesome the mods here are. Don't change anything. It's almost perfect. You can't be perfect, you can always be better but really in the case of A&A I don't really see any steps that be taken to make things better.

    Only nag I have against the forum but there's really not a whole lot the mods can do about it is that when someone starts a routine ill informed and ignorant post on a topic we tend to be too abrasive and that poster gets bombarded by all of us not really fully debunking the substance to his argument but just taking pot shots at his logic that we should really know they won't understand or see the humour in. It probably causes a few people to stonewall that's my only gripe. But, really, I think those who persist, I did, gain so much more from the forum than they could on many other fora that exist on the internet. The discussions here are simply brilliant. Where else on the internet will I find a cool and calm debate on abortion? :)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    One day I'll understand that "Irreligious countries and ****" thread.

    One day...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Dades wrote: »
    One day I'll understand that "Irreligious countries and ****" thread.

    One day...

    I have no intention of ever understanding it, just posting and the music. Oh! The music!:)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    In the last month or so I've been reading and posting here, I've dragged up more that I think I know, and learned much more that I didn't, than in any other situation the last 15 years has thrown at me. I feel like I'm in the early stages of recovery from a very persistent case of baby-brain. Thanks all - I nearly feel like I actually want to go and study something in depth and maybe, just maybe, get a qualification to my name one day. Seriously, many thanks - this place is a good place. :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    Obliq wrote: »
    In the last month or so I've been reading and posting here, I've dragged up more that I think I know, and learned much more that I didn't, than in any other situation the last 15 years has thrown at me. I feel like I'm in the early stages of recovery from a very persistent case of baby-brain. Thanks all - I nearly feel like I actually want to go and study something in depth and maybe, just maybe, get a qualification to my name one day. Seriously, many thanks - this place is a good place. :cool:

    Do it.
    I'm doing a degree in science ten years after dropping out of uni and the good people here and on /sci/ are a large reason for it. There are a bunch of rescources on line, free college modules from iTunes Uni, Coursera.org to dip your toes into, and if you decide to go ahead but can't spare the time for full time, the Open University is an A1 organization, I was skeptical at first but starting my second year of study with them now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Any chance we could give Brown Bomber his/her own sub-forum?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭legspin


    Jernal wrote: »
    Any chance we could give Brown Bomber his/her own sub-forum?

    That we could then stick on ignore.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Feedback on individual posters is not what this thread is about, thanks all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Dades wrote: »
    Feedback on individual posters is not what this thread is about, thanks all.

    My apologies for that, was just a bit irked by what I considered inane threads and duplicates. Won't happen again, my sirs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Don't quite know if this is the right place for this, but: Mods, I'm getting a malware alert from the Interesting Stuff thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    Proves atheists have no morals. Luring people in with knowledge and wonder only to infect them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    Interesting Stuff is a trojan. Once it's in there it makes you curious. Next thing you know, you're reading science blogs and we all know where that leads.

    If there's one thing the RCC has taught me, it's that curiosity is wrong and immoral.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fitz0 wrote: »
    Interesting Stuff is a trojan. Once it's in there it makes you curious. Next thing you know, you're reading science blogs and we all know where that leads.

    If there's one thing the RCC has taught me, it's that curiosity is wrong and immoral.


    'An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Nodin wrote: »
    'An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded'

    I think I read that when I was about 8 in a book about Warhammer. :p


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Anyone else getting the message? I know sink is too.

    Was wondering if it's to do with ads rather something in the thread.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    I'm not, but then I'm using a mac.

    Suckers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Dades wrote: »
    Anyone else getting the message? I know sink is too.

    Was wondering if it's to do with ads rather something in the thread.

    I am. Using Chrome.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Okay will escalate it so. Am on iPad and not seeing not wrong. :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    I'm getting it too but not on the first page of interesting stuff. Will pm the post that is creating the malware alert to you dades. :D T'is just an image link that's causing the issue.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Cheers, Corkfeen. Deleted that post...

    Can anyone tell me if the issue has gone away for them? :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Sorry, I was slightly drunk when I sent the pm so I probably should have been more specific. :D Message is gone for me anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    gvn wrote: »
    Are you reading the same posts as I am?

    Can you point out, exactly, where robindch is making the generalisation that all religious people are "just a litle bit dim maybe or incapable of logical enquiry"?

    I, for one, can't see where he has said anything of the sort.

    It too me two minutes to find one (its very old but its in your sticky I just read)
    robindch wrote: »
    >And no, from the new report, the guy wasn't obviously mentally unbalanced, at least no more than the average religious believer who thinks that their god or gods will protect them from whatever happens by.



    Ok I'm not a user of this forum as a Agnostic/Catholic (or even regular lurker though I have posted a few times) but I do love feedback threads and I;ve never read one like this(e.g the lack of debate and problems shouldn't be considered a good thing). I purposely bring this up having seen this forum described by an self described atheist as a mutual backslapping forum (on a separate thread obviously, and don;t think its appropriate to link to the post) so perhaps its worth considering that consensus isn;t beneficial

    Like I said I always read feedback things (mainly because I've an interest in how online communities interact etc so feel free to ignore or delete or have an argument)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    It too me two minutes to find one (its very old but its in your sticky I just read)





    Ok I'm not a user of this forum as a Agnostic/Catholic (or even regular lurker though I have posted a few times) but I do love feedback threads and I;ve never read one like this(e.g the lack of debate and problems shouldn't be considered a good thing). I purposely bring this up having seen this forum described by an self described atheist as a mutual backslapping forum (on a separate thread obviously, and don;t think its appropriate to link to the post) so perhaps its worth considering that consensus isn;t beneficial

    Like I said I always read feedback things (mainly because I've an interest in how online communities interact etc so feel free to ignore or delete or have an argument)
    And no, from the new report, the guy wasn't obviously mentally unbalanced, at least no more than the average religious believer who thinks that their god or gods will protect them from whatever happens by

    I've bolded the important section.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    It too me two minutes to find one (its very old but its in your sticky I just read)





    Ok I'm not a user of this forum as a Agnostic/Catholic (or even regular lurker though I have posted a few times) but I do love feedback threads and I;ve never read one like this(e.g the lack of debate and problems shouldn't be considered a good thing). I purposely bring this up having seen this forum described by an self described atheist as a mutual backslapping forum (on a separate thread obviously, and don;t think its appropriate to link to the post) so perhaps its worth considering that consensus isn;t beneficial

    Like I said I always read feedback things (mainly because I've an interest in how online communities interact etc so feel free to ignore or delete or have an argument)

    Has this self-described atheist posted here that she/he thinks this is a mutual backslapping forum? - it would be a shame (and a touch hypocritical of them) to not have the courage of their convictions to say what they think in the Feedback thread but instead bitch and moan elsewhere...more backstabbing than backslapping methinks.

    Just saying....


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    It's pretty easy to find that post with search, I think.


  • Moderators Posts: 51,847 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    only one I could find by someone claiming to be an atheist. And that thread was closed quickly.

    Other than than that, Jimitime and Brown Bomber are the only other people, and neither of them have ever claimed to be atheists.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    5uspect wrote: »
    It's pretty easy to find that post with search, I think.

    Couldn't be asked tbh. My point was apparently an atheist poster complained somewhere or other that A&A was nowt but a mutual backsplapping fest but didn't feel the need to state that in the A&A Feedback thread so another poster pops in to tell us about it and use it as the basis of criticism. Smacks of the school yard to me.

    I am also amused by how the fact that the majority of posters who bothered to comment in this feedback thread were of the opinion that it is a well run, well moderated forum is now being twisted into 'ye are all backslapping' (obviously those making the accusations haven't participated in either the Abortion or the Gun Control in US threads...).

    Personally, I happen to believe this is a well-run, well moderated forum - which is more than I can (and have) said about others and I do think this is a good thing.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    This is all a bit vague to be even arguing about it, tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    A search for "backslap" brings back 11 results - the only self-proclaimed atheist who is a regular[ish] poster I can see among those is me...and my post refers only to the particular topic being discussed in that thread...

    If it isn't that post, "back-slapping forum" returns 40 odd pages of results to trawl through to try and find the post in question..."back-slapping" returns over 700...vague is right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    This one, perhaps? (only result when searchng for backslapping athiest [sic] )

    Edit: get 14 results if I spell atheist correctly :rolleyes: :pac:

    Scrap the cap!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    In relation to rrobindch post, I don't see how bolding something that removes the fact that he's referring to the average religious person (which is why I used it as an example). Do you think that religious people are stupid/fanatics because thats what implying the average religious person has a belief in divine personal intervention that will protect them "from whatever happens by" is doing. Irelands 80% religious* I think our mortality rate would be a lot higher if everyone is wandering around certain that God will protect them :rolleyes:
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Couldn't be asked tbh. My point was apparently an atheist poster complained somewhere or other that A&A was nowt but a mutual backsplapping fest but didn't feel the need to state that in the A&A Feedback thread so another poster pops in to tell us about it and use it as the basis of criticism. Smacks of the school yard to me.

    Its not any of the ones linked to BTW.

    I explained why I posted here, I read the forum feedback threads* and "discussion of the rules" ones and I've not seen a feedback/discussion on the rules thread with that little dissension which I found strange and it reminded me that a poster in a previous thread I had read described it in that way. My view would be that a certain amount of complaint and dissension is a good sign (within limits) and indicative of a diverse community.

    If you look at my posting record you will see i've been on the very rare occasion a poster here including a few days ago on a separate thread. If people think I'm being a deliberate flamer I'l PM the post to a mod if they promise to respect that users privacy and it will be pretty clear that I haven;t been out searching for anti-atheist posts when I saw that comment.
    Also I've seen other forums insulted/stereotyped in here by users so I don't see why its so unbelievable.

    * I've way to many posts in feedback for my total posts (and thats with restricting myself)

    ** I know this figure will be called into question but self designation is the only valid way of considering these types of traits, and its as valid for me to call into question the number of Gay/Traveller people in Ireland as it is for a member of this forum to call into question the belief figures. But I'm guessing it wouldn;t be a popular move to say something like but half those people aren;t really gay under what I would consider gay ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    I explained why I posted here, I read the forum feedback threads* and "discussion of the rules" ones and I've not seen a feedback/discussion on the rules thread with that little dissension which I found strange and it reminded me that a poster in a previous thread I had read described it in that way. My view would be that a certain amount of complaint and dissension is a good sign (within limits) and indicative of a diverse community.

    Could it be that most users are happy with how the forum is moderated? There are plenty of fierce debates within the forum amongst the regular posters here. There is no issue of there not being enough debate in this forum but the one thing most of us agree on is that when things get too heated, Dades and robindch will show up and give us a friendly mod warning. I'm not sure why our appreciation of the moderation is seen as a negative by you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    In relation to rrobindch post, I don't see how bolding something that removes the fact that he's referring to the average religious person (which is why I used it as an example). Do you think that religious people are stupid/fanatics because thats what implying the average religious person has a belief in divine personal intervention that will protect them "from whatever happens by" is doing. Irelands 80% religious* I think our mortality rate would be a lot higher if everyone is wandering around certain that God will protect them :rolleyes:



    Its not any of the ones linked to BTW.

    I explained why I posted here, I read the forum feedback threads* and "discussion of the rules" ones and I've not seen a feedback/discussion on the rules thread with that little dissension which I found strange and it reminded me that a poster in a previous thread I had read described it in that way. My view would be that a certain amount of complaint and dissension is a good sign (within limits) and indicative of a diverse community.

    If you look at my posting record you will see i've been on the very rare occasion a poster here including a few days ago on a separate thread. If people think I'm being a deliberate flamer I'l PM the post to a mod if they promise to respect that users privacy and it will be pretty clear that I haven;t been out searching for anti-atheist posts when I saw that comment.
    Also I've seen other forums insulted/stereotyped in here by users so I don't see why its so unbelievable.

    * I've way to many posts in feedback for my total posts (and thats with restricting myself)

    ** I know this figure will be called into question but self designation is the only valid way of considering these types of traits, and its as valid for me to call into question the number of Gay/Traveller people in Ireland as it is for a member of this forum to call into question the belief figures. But I'm guessing it wouldn;t be a popular move to say something like but half those people aren;t really gay under what I would consider gay ;)

    I have no doubt whatsoever that someone said it somewhere ( indeed that several someones have said it several places) but they did not say it here in the thread dedicated to Feedback so I am wondering about your motivations for alluding to it.

    If you think we are all happy clappy back slappy -say so.

    Perhaps the lack of complaint and dissension is simply because the vast majority who took the time to post feedback here are happy with the way the forum is run.

    If you look in the various threads you will find a great deal of debate - including people taking Atheist Ireland to task for what some perceive as using the term 'Atheist' to serve a political agenda all atheists do not share or are uneasy about the word being redefined to mean something other than a lack of belief in a deity.

    I would say that the number of practicing religious (i.e. those who follow most if not all of the tenets of their particular faith) is a lot less than claim to be religious while the number of people who are actually attracted to the same gender are lot more than those who openly identify as being Gay. ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I have no doubt whatsoever that someone said it somewhere ( indeed that several someones have said it several places) but they did not say it here in the thread dedicated to Feedback so I am wondering about your motivations for alluding to it.

    If you think we are all happy clappy back slappy -say so.

    ----
    I would say that the number of practicing religious (i.e. those who follow most if not all of the tenets of their particular faith) is a lot less than claim to be religious while the number of people who are actually attracted to the same gender are lot more than those who openly identify as being Gay. ;)

    I do think its a bit happy clappy to be honest I thought that was obvious, look at the first two stickies in this forum (below this one) and think what an impression this creates to an external observer! I'm an a la carte Catholic or whatever though so I don;t think its my opinion is particularly valid even though as what might be termed as an Agnostic Catholic I could potentially be a candidate as a user (though i have seen that the idea of a separate agnosticism forum has been rejected).


    You would be allowed to say it and you might be right however its no more valid than what I said even though your statement is much more acceptable on this board (my point is not against homosexuality more that it is acceptable to make assumptions about peoples faith in a way that isn't about people sexuality even though both are personal matters of self-identification!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    The forum is a bit of a backslapping forum, but then again what do you expect? Any forum on this site which is about a particular topic or a particular worldview will usually have a lot of people who agree with that worldview. Therefore, it is likely that most atheists will agree with eachother than not (with the exception of the Atheism+, Skepchick stuff).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    I don't agree that it's a backslapping forum at least not in some type of clique. Indeed many regulars on the forum share a lot of similar views and will agree with each other a lot but no one here pulls their punches when we disagree on a subject. I know myself my reply has never to do with who I'm replying to but rather the content of their post(s).


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    I can kinda see where phil is coming from as sometimes things seem to trip into circle jerk territory*, usually when a topic has run its course, but I can't point to specific examples this second as I've a bad memory, and pop in here semi-regularly. I think a lot of it is just humour, though, not necessarily that people fully agree on core arguments about a particular topic. And maybe it's just superficial 'Pat Rabbitte disagrees with bishops - url is posted, fap fap fap', etc that can come across this way. I am not well-read enough on atheism to drift into some of the topics here myself, but I've seen some disagreements, so I'd say you're comments are reasonable, Shooter.

    *I'd say that it's a boards wide thing, though. OK, enough with the masturbation talk...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    I can kinda see where phil is coming from as sometimes things seem to trip into circle jerk territory*, usually when a topic has run its course, but I can't point to specific examples this second as I've a bad memory, and pop in here semi-regularly. I think a lot of it is just humour, though, not necessarily that people fully agree on core arguments about a particular topic. And maybe it's just superficial 'Pat Rabbitte disagrees with bishops - url is posted, fap fap fap', etc that can come across this way. I am not well-read enough on atheism to drift into some of the topics here myself, but I've seen some disagreements, so I'd say you're comments are reasonable, Shooter.

    *I'd say that it's a boards wide thing, though. OK, enough with the masturbation talk...

    It affects every special interest forum. Most people accept base criterion before posting. Here, Christianity, LGBT, and so on. The disagreement is more limited than usual because of the fact that most people here are atheists or agnostic.

    It's not intended as criticism it's how I'd expect it to be.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I absolutely agree.

    That's why sometimes less familiar users feel ganged up on when they say something that most of the forum regulars disagree with.

    But, as mentioned, that's Boards and niche forums. We're open to any and evey argument but if a majority of people agree with one particular stance there's not a lot you can do to stop them expressing it.

    What people have to realise coming in here is that there is a pervasive worldview (i.e. that religions are made up) and that claiming otherwise you will to have your work cut out for you. That's not to say everyone is not welcome - far from it - we need all sorts to keep this place interesting. :)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Dades wrote: »
    we need all sorts to keep this place interesting
    Excellent idea.

    235485.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    robindch wrote: »
    Excellent idea.

    235485.jpg

    More like we need these

    0000608_190.png



    ok, ok - I admit it. I hate allsorts.


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Mae Crashing Beer


    yuck

    @ allsorts

    HURRAY for heroes


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    bluewolf wrote: »
    yuck @ allsorts
    Have a look at the image name above -- haven't been able to eat more than one or two of those infernal things since I downed half a kilo years ago, then went for a long and very bumpy sail way south of Cork harbour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    robindch wrote: »
    Have a look at the image name above -- haven't been able to eat more than one or two of those infernal things since I downed half a kilo years ago, then went for a long and very bumpy sail way south of Cork harbour.

    How could you have ever have thought that would end well? :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    How could you have ever have thought that would end well? :eek:

    These things happen...



    Personally, I will never be able to even look at a glace cherry again after the incident with the banana boat :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Anybody else getting malicious links warning in the hazards of beliefs thread? My Kaspersky is being a little pushy and has for the first time in my memory actually blocked a link from the site.

    Suspect post.

    Suspect URL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Jernal wrote: »
    Anybody else getting malicious links warning in the hazards of beliefs thread? My Kaspersky is being a little pushy and has for the first time in my memory actually blocked a link from the site.

    Suspect post.

    Suspect URL

    Nope. I TOTALLY see Jack Nicholson as the Librarian :cool:


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    Jernal wrote: »
    Anybody else getting malicious links warning in the hazards of beliefs thread? My Kaspersky is being a little pushy and has for the first time in my memory actually blocked a link from the site.

    Suspect post.

    Suspect URL

    What?


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