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Must we Irish say "mom"?

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  • #52
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    Lots of people in Galway say mom and have done for decades

    For centuries / millennia.


  • #53
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Creol1 wrote: »
    I don't mind the word itself or regard it as intrinsically American; what bugs me is the spelling; on this side of the Atlantic it's "Mum", and that's how I've always spelt it.



    I know this was posted almost two years ago so I'm guessing Rabo Karabekian isn't sitting on the edge of his seat waiting for an answer, but the Munster dialect is the nearest there is to a standard dialect and is the dialect used in textbooks.

    Text books in schools in Munster are in Munster dialect, ditto. text books in Ulster and Connaught. So if you're in Munster then yes, text books are principally in Munster Irish.

    Text books in Leinster are in more middle ground as to dialects, admittedly probably closest to Connaught Irish, but this is debatable. Certainly not in Munster Irish per se.

    The official standard allows for many forms, grammar and vocabulary from all dialects but since 2016 has not permitted the compound verb structures most common in Munster Irish. Where Munster dialect has different gender to other two dialects, e.g. gaineamh, the standard tends to favour the other two dialects.

    Either way "mam" in Irish would be pronounced "mom" as per English pronunciation in all dialects, as per abair.ie / teanglann.ie pronunciation tool.

    Re spelling mom "mum", that's surely a bit like arguing that ma should be spelt "mammy" or mama "mum"; they're all different words and should be spelt differently.


  • #54
    Colliewollie
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭Colliewollie


    I'm 31, from Co. Kerry and have said the word 'mom' all my life.. The others are not common around my neck of the woods. I'm from the country as well, not an urbanite.. Hate the sound of 'mum' being honest!!


  • #55
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Colliewollie wrote: »
    I'm 31, from Co. Kerry and have said the word 'mom' all my life.. The others are not common around my neck of the woods. I'm from the country as well, not an urbanite.. Hate the sound of 'mum' being honest!!

    Agreed. Mom is a much nicer word. Mum, mummy just sounds so Tory party, 1950s famous five, biggles, Rupert the bear British


  • #56
    Creol1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    Text books in schools in Munster are in Munster dialect, ditto. text books in Ulster and Connaught. So if you're in Munster then yes, text books are principally in Munster Irish.

    News to me, I have to say.
    ezra_pound wrote: »
    Re spelling mom "mum", that's surely a bit like arguing that ma should be spelt "mammy" or mama "mum"; they're all different words and should be spelt differently.

    "Mom" and "mum" are pronounced the same way and hence, without wishing to split hairs, I would classify them as different spellings rather than different words.


  • #57
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Mum or mam here.


  • #58
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Creol1 wrote: »
    News to me, I have to say.



    "Mom" and "mum" are pronounced the same way and hence, without wishing to split hairs, I would classify them as different spellings rather than different words.

    The whole premise of this thread is that they are not pronounced the same way!


  • #59
    Chancer3001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    Creol1 wrote: »
    News to me, I have to say.



    "Mom" and "mum" are pronounced the same way and hence, without wishing to split hairs, I would classify them as different spellings rather than different words.

    Pronounced the same way? Go back to primary school bub / bob


  • #60
    Creol1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    Pronounced the same way? Go back to primary school bub / bob

    If you view me as mistaken, you are welcome to explain why, but your rudeness is unwarranted, particularly in a serious section such as this.

    Your comment has been reported.


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  • #61
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,774 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Mod: keep it civil please folks, no need for techy.


  • #62
    Chancer3001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    Creol1 wrote: »
    If you view me as mistaken, you are welcome to explain why, but your rudeness is unwarranted, particularly in a serious section such as this.

    Your comment has been reported.

    My explanation is the fact that in short words especially, the letter u and the letter o are pronounced differently.

    Hub and hob are two different words for example. Same with tum and tom .

    Mum and mom will be pronounced differently by anyone who understands how vowels work/ sound.

    If you're still confused feel free to ask for further explanation


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